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Parlez vous rock and roll?

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There's an article on Aunty's website here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7844192... which contains the following quote,

"the provocatively-named Paris band Nelson (the Admiral, not Mr Mandela is who they have in mind) whose frontman J.B. sings in English because, he says, French does not have the right cadences for true rock."

Well that got me thinking. I recently chatted with a Danish singer who told me that Danish was totally unsuited to songwriters. Firstly the number of words to choose from is a fraction of what is on offer in an English dictionary, and also the meanings of words are much more prescriptive. So for instance, she told me, you really couldn't sing about loving something or someone in Danish because it's a very serious word. Saying you love your dog in Denmark is either very strange or somewhat perverted.

So does all this mean that English is the natural language of rock and roll? And is that why British and American bands have ruled the world of rock for so long - because we have the advantage of a mother tongue which just happens to be sealed within the DNA of pop music like no other? Perhaps someone can provide an example of a great rock song in a language other than English to prove this theory wrong...

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It is said

that the reason the Beatrix Potter museum in the Lake District is so popular with Japanese tourists is because many of them begin to learn the english language by reading her books.

It also explains why Liverpool is so popular with tourists from Japan and the rest of the world. It's from the music of this city that they learned how to sing in english.

It was my ambition to go to a karaoke bar in Tokyo to hear them singing in english and be able to join in with a (sort of) advantage. Sadly the lure of Mickey Mouse kept me away from the bright lights of such pleasures. One day..."We are the champions...of the world" Queen; big in Japan.

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Beany | 25 January 2009 - 10:32am

"Maahnt (The Wizard's Fight Versus The Devil)"

rocks like mad, and is sung in Kobaïan, of course, a language actually designed for Rock.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 25 January 2009 - 10:48am

"French does not have the right cadences for true rock."

Been having this argument for Years.Same with Catalan
Rock in Catalan is quite simply the worst thing you've ever heard. Really bad Pop Rock in a Language with tooo many hard consonant sounds at the end of words. The locals will not accept this and listen to stuff you would not believe.
But Rap in french sounds ok. Heavy Metal in German ?
How about the Catalan version of Rage against the Machine then ?
Sorry for ruining your weekend

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Sour Crout | 25 January 2009 - 10:59am

Both Peter Gabriel and The Beatles...

...recorded German language songs/albums.

(Monty Python also produced two special German-language Flying Circus episodes but that's not really relevant)

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stimpy | 25 January 2009 - 11:45am

Iggy Pop interviewed on French TV

This is even weirder than his current insurance ad...

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Beany | 25 January 2009 - 2:34pm

Since when did Scousers speak English?

I agree the Scouse accent has encouraged people in overseas countries to learn to speak English largely as a result of the Beatles popularity but a broad Scouse accent is unintelligible to many people from these shores let alone anyone to whome English is a foreign language. Mind you Jan Molby developed a perfect Scouse accent.

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Steve Turner | 25 January 2009 - 4:33pm

The same could, of course, be said...

...about the broad Glasgow or Geordie accents

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stimpy | 25 January 2009 - 5:04pm

at least Northerners speak

it was years living in south london before the grunts and strange clicks made by the white male locals became intelligible to me....

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Chris G | 25 January 2009 - 8:25pm

Whome?

How is that pronounced?

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Steven C | 25 January 2009 - 11:08pm

The Language of Pop

We are being a bit western here but putting aside the 1000's of India and chinese pop records made each year it's strange your Danish friends where putting down there local tongues.
I have got into a number of Scandanavia groups over last few years admitly many are sung in english adn based on brtiish indie sound. But the songs in their own languages have a powerful lyrical musicality which has grown on me. So after English and I would say Spanish I think the scandnavian get a bronze medal for pop language!

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Chris G | 25 January 2009 - 8:41pm

Fag packet language theory

I think us ethinc northerners have the advantage when it comes to poetry and lyricism. Firstly rounder softer vowels sound better, the tortured long vowels of your average southerner is just unpleasant.
secondly we have wider variety of vocab for every standard english noun or verb there's at least one more in Yorkshire or Lancanshire dialect. I mean in London an alley is an alley where as in the north it could be a ginnel, snicket , ten foot,etc. I sometimes wonder how the average resident of Guildford gets through the day with their couple of dozen range of words!
so inconlusion nicer to listen to with more ways to say same thing.

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Chris G | 25 January 2009 - 8:41pm

Does this count ... ?


Thought not.

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Steven C | 25 January 2009 - 11:09pm

This is one of the great Danish songs


Music is music - you can't seriously argue one language is better than the other. Otherwise surely Italy would be the home of rock and roll!

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Mr Fade | 25 January 2009 - 11:51pm

My sweeping generalisations

Opera seems to work best in languages other than English. It's often a thin line between Opera and Lloyd-Webber when English is used. Opera can tug at the heartstrings and draw an emotional response without the listener necessarily knowing what the words mean.

English is the language of Rock & Roll and has a better chance of bringing out euphoria, rather than melancholy. Perhaps it is the relatively short, simple words. The Eurovision Song Contest had to make a special rule to stop countries singing in English (which most of them preferred to do).

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Austin | 26 January 2009 - 9:41am

Eurovision

The 'local language only' rule was abandoned some time ago - contestants have been allowed to sing in any language they want for the best part of a decade.

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Fraser Lewry | 26 January 2009 - 9:51am

Sweden

Maybe it's down to the standard of English too, most Swedish are fluent in English and don't have a strong accent like the French or Spanish so it comes over well in lyrics.

Most Swedish rock and indie bands sing in English, Soundtrack of Our Lives, Cardigans, Hives, International Noise Conspiracy - even successful singer songwriters such as Nicolai Dunger and Mattias Hellberg sing in English.

I don't think it is just a commercial decision to appeal to as wide an audience as possible, maybe for a country steeped in rock music it just seems more natural.

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Retro Man | 26 January 2009 - 10:59am

I am uncertain whether I agree with all this

Is it not merely that there is not a tradition of rock in other than english? I have many songs in languages as varied as spanish, gaelic and israeli, true, perhaps often identifiable as having a broad ethnic folk injection to their guitar, bass and drums, arguably the bottom line of "rock". A lot of Tex-Mex music is straightforward R'n'R,merely with spanish vocals and, if you're lucky, an accordeon, viz the Texas Tornadoes. Or, admittedly cod french, surely one of the most joyous songs in the world is thsi one by Belgiums finest son:


I dare you not to smile with fond recognition.

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Retropath2 | 26 January 2009 - 11:08am
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