One, two, three, four

Watching Later the other night, I was quite interested to see and hear Goldfrapp play from their new album. Now I know that Goldfrapp by their very nature are seen as an electronic rock band, so they have a certain level of technology on display when they play, but it was almost to the point that they were playing entirely to a backing track. Granted, each musician was playing their own part live, but it was as though there was no room for any movement or 'feel'.

The acoustic guitar part had been worked out to perfection with the electric part, the bass part did everything at the right moment, and the keyboards filled the frequencies inbetween. The backing vocalists sang their parts perfectly when they were required. I suppose this is production, and whoever produced it did their job well...

Not that I'm a great fan, I just find some of their stuff quite interesting, but live it just seemed a bit robotic.

Am I being over critical? I'd just love to hear the same music without a click track leading the drummer into each song. You can hear him knock four beats on the high-hat on at least the first two tracks , which I would imagine is him setting everyone else up for the intro...

I'll Back That

I agree Geoff;it was almost "too good" but lacked soul and any real depth. I remember back in the eighties there used to always be an outcry when an artist used backing tracks etc. While there is a place for these invisible musicians, they just seemed to have become part of the norm now. I saw Richard Hawley a few months back and even he used extra backing tracks for some extra guitar and strings parts which was quite surprising. I suppose it would be too costly for him to tour with extra string and guitar players, but the gig would still have sounded good without these extra backing tracks. The end result was of course that his songs sounded just like they do on record.

David Wright | 19 April 2008 - 7:08am

Hawley too...!

Wow. I saw Richard Hawley a couple of months ago too and you're right, I remember the keyboard player having a laptop. I suppose more and more now the keyboard player is lit by the glow of the laptop screen feeding a click track to the drummer. That needs to happen if they want to bring those big lush strings in at the right time.

I thought the Richard Hawley show was fantastic and this would be an example where the added use of a click didn't seem blatantly obvious to me.

While I'm definitely a fan of technology in music; I have a small project studio based around a Mac, I suppose it's just a harking back to the days when a performance was just that. The drummer would count everyone in and then there would be some invisible thing that you couldn't quite put your finger on that made that particular version the best for you.

One last example, before I witter on into oblivion - I remember back in the early to mid (I think) nineties, when I went to see Elvis Costello and the Attractions at the Virgin Megastore in Argyle Street, Glasgow. They were doing an in-store and they played 'Good Year for the Roses', which I recorded onto a minidisc (as you do) from a crappy mic I had fed down my sleeve. The quality of the recording was terrible, it peaked and then was compressed down by the mic. The performance however, was nothing short of incredible. I had that for years until for some reason the minidisc lost the table of contents and ceased to play.

So in summary, great performance, flying by the seat of your pants = good. Everyone playing along with a silent metronome = bad. Sometimes... :)

geoff.martyn | 19 April 2008 - 9:16am

Hawley

Yeah, I saw Hawley in York and it was a great show. A lap top on stage just seemed out of place next to his music, which is quite nostalgic sounding at times. It didn't ruin the show of course but just didn't feel right to me or maybe I'm just nit picking. Hawley could do stand up though; he remarked that after one song, he had reduced a lady to tears. He remarked: "Cheer up love, I wasn't that bad was I!"

David Wright | 19 April 2008 - 4:06pm

Louie Louie

by the Kingsmen is shambolic, out of time and wonderful. I can't think of anything post 1980 that isn't airbrushed or quantised. When I worked in studios, originally the click came from a thing called the Claptrap, which emitted a horrible sound on every beat. It was horrible to play to, so most bands avoided it, mainly because it was the last thing hungover drummers wanted - the sound of something like Nazi stormtroopers marching blasting through their headphones.

The Linn drum and Drumulator came in and everything got really boring to record. We all turned into robots - slaves to the rhythm., and not in a good way.

reginabsmooth | 19 April 2008 - 11:44am

Horses/Courses Swings/Roundabouts Nature/Beast etc

One of the greatest live shows I have ever seen was Kraftwerk at the Royal Festival Hall.

Joe Muggs | 19 April 2008 - 7:32pm

the Blue Nile

Linn drums, synths, total soul.

Bang Em In Bingham | 21 April 2008 - 4:31pm

Linton Kwesi Johnson

Saw him at Larry's Hideaway in Toronto, mid-eighties, with the ledgendary Dennis Bovell Dub Band complete with three piece horn section. They were magnificent, concluding each song with a three or four minute "version". Saw him 9 months later, new band with synths, electronic drums and they sounded absolutely horrible, no feel, plasticky arrangements Ugh!!

Bang Em In Bingham | 21 April 2008 - 4:29pm

Skill

Electronic instruments and sequencers can sound lovely, but they are also susceptible to misuse by lazy musicians over using sequencers rather than be arsed to play properly. Which gives a horrible robotic sound. Also, electronic gear comed loaded with preset sounds which are programmed to sound immediately impressive in the shop but which are generally over bright and unsubtle sounding and quite fatiguing - these can be edited into something more personal and subtle, but again, lazy musicians can't be arsed and just plug in the old Mac, boot up Logic and off we go.

Twangothan | 22 April 2008 - 8:28am