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Oh, sweet irony!
Posted by Black Type on 2 October 2010 - 12:46pm.
The new novel by great white hope of American literature, Jonathan Franzen, has been recalled by publishers for, er, ...."Corrections":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11451600
Probably just me, but I found this quite amusing.
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Read much?
I mean, really. Calling him a "hope" (never mind what you may mean by "great white") would imply there is potential greatness there. Maybe you never heard of Franzen before but he made a bit of a name for himself nearly a decade ago and has not really disappointed since. Ok, How To Be Alone... meh. I read a proof of Freedom last month and nearly posted a review (I've no doubt there's one planned for the next issue of Word). It is an utterly compelling and fascinating read and the author deserves to sell as many squillion copies as possible.
I think finding pleasure at the author's inconvenience over having to have his book pulped is a bit mean spirited. Perhaps you could go after his publisher instead. It's the same one on both sides of the Atlantic and yet the UK division couldn't get the proper version to the printer.
I do feel sorry for Franzen...
... because I'm sure this, more than obvious, publicity stunt was devised by an American, who wanted to remind the UK that Franzen has a book coming out. Please keep up your "I heart America" stance - I assume it's tongue in cheek but, nevertheless, it's hilarious.
Simply not true, sir.
I know for fact. Not a publicity stunt. Go to the Frankfurt Book Fair next week and ask on his publisher's stand. Not a publicity stunt. Not at all.
You didn't see last night's Review Show?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00v3m0y/The_Review_Show_01_10_2010...
You're right...
... because the publishers, or anyone involved in the business of selling books, would be the last ones to be in on it.
Ok,
so who is behind it? Also, who killed JFK? Same people?
Are you saying...
... this type of thing doesn't occur? Or are you saying it doesn't occur when the author is American? And are you saying the CIA and the mob do "no one dies" gigs for publishers?
Is it me
or does this fella have a sense of humour by-pass?
For your information, "Mate", I'll spell it out. Of course I've heard of Franzen - I bought (wait for it) - The Corrections some nine years ago.
That. Was. The. Irony. I. Was. Referring. To, Do. You. See?
The "great white hope" comment was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the relentless chattering media attempts to place him in the grand tradition of Great American Novelists. He probably deserves to be ranked up there with the big hitters. I wasn't denigrating his talents in any way.
I'm now going to shoot myself (sighs)
Either way
Please address the point raised, not the personalty of the poster.
Thank you.
Fair enough, Fraser,
but he did ascribe personality traits on to me, such as "mean-spirited", which is a total misinterpretation of the spirit of my post.
I realise that
But we'd prefer you didn't respond in kind, however much you believe your post has been misinterpreted.
You realise that?
You don't seem too consistent Fraser. I felt the point raised was one of scarcely concealed glee at an artist's misfortune; described by the poster as "sweet irony". I described that (IMHO, as ever) as somewhat "mean spirited". This kind of commentary is commonplace on this site.
Why do you consider my comment inappropriate?
At the risk of incurring Fraser's ire
why do you have to take everything people say so literally? The language I used, 'sweet irony', was just a possibly-too-lyrical turn of phrase. That's all it was. Not directed against the writer; merely, as others have clearly recognised, an attempt at a humorous reflection on the news story (about a book being recalled for alterations) which unconsciously references the title of the author's previous famous book.
That's it. That's all there is to it. No "mean-spiritedness". No "glee", scarcely concealed or otherwise. No anti-Franzen or anti-American agenda.
I'm in danger of repeating myself, but
Of course this kind of commentary is commonplace on this site - it's why we're here. What we don't like is when the sarcasm and name-calling is directed at other readers.
If anyone wants to describe this story as "sweetly ironic", I don't have any issue with that at all. Franzen rose to prominence with a book called "The Corrections", and now his new book has gone back for corrections. There's no malice there, and it's quite obviously (to me, at least) a ironic joke.
You might not find it funny - fair enough - but reacting with "read much?" and "Maybe you never heard of Franzen", when it's obvious that the poster knows precisely who Franzen is, is an approach certain to raise shackles.
Apologies if this seems to be unfair to you, but I'll repeat it again: argue your point, don't insult the poster. I really hope that's not too much to ask.
"Shackles"?
A telling, if not Freudian slip perhaps.
Clap them all in irons, and let me get back to roasting this aardvark.
Have yourself
an up arrow (while they're still worth something).
Roasting an aardvark you say
Are there any Premiership footballers involved? Has the story made it to the News of the World? Is Steven C really a clever pseudonym for Stevie G? I think we should be told.
I am saying...
that this was a monumental f@#k-up by a major publisher (not the printer) in which many many books had to be pulped. Franzen's stature in world literature is such that this step had to be taken and ironically would almost certainly not have happened for an author selling in the thousands only regardless of his/her country of origin.
Your need to find some fault elsewhere because he is an American author I find a bit creepy. It smacks more than a little of, well, you know...
Hilarious...
... I've fallen off my chair!
Please
Mentioning someone's nationality does not automatically imply a slight on their character, or dismiss the nation they come from. I'd be really be grateful if you could bear this in mind, and post accordingly.
Thank you.
Please sell me 'The Corrections'
I baled out early on, wondering what I was missing.
I'll try...
The Corrections is a dazzlingly brilliant novel, depicting a family that is dysfunctional in ways that are recognisable, even though their situations are not exactly humdrum. There are some staggering set-pieces, and his erudition stays on the right side of that line, the wrong side of which is "too clever by half." He does show off, but for me he gets away with it. FWIW, I think his previous novel, Strong Motion, is even better. The one before that, 27th City (it may be a different a different ordinal number), I hurled aside after 50 or so pages. I think at that stage he hadn't mastered the art of making characters who are flawed but with enough about them to make the reader care.
When he learns to stop showing off, he might just be as good as Robertson Davies - maybe the new one will show this, I haven't read it yet.
Return to it
and I'll ditto Mr Boef. Although what he calls showing off I think is just being really clever. And I think there's more of Flannery O'Conner than R. Davies. But it is a grand, sweeping book. And Freedom is better.
I appreciate the observation
It doth amuse me because of the word play you have employed Mr Type. And I think Jonathan will be all right for he is a fine writer and his books, especially 'The Corrections', have been pretty successful for contemporary literary fiction, plus I now know he has a well received new book out which I am quite likely to buy now as a result of the publicity generated through this terrible, tragic mishap. I had not heard about 'Freedom' hitherto.
The irony
is that this thread calls for the words 'pur-lease' and 'akcherloi', not to say the phrase '(shut up - Ed)'.
I've got a signed copy of
Just to interrupt the bickering, I've got a signed copy of the 'dodgy' edition, will it make me my fortune one day?
Foyles email shot
was touting their stockpile of signed editions yesterday. It probably depends on how many the publisher can claw back. Worth hanging on to in any event.
Fortune?
I've got a signed copy of the 'dodgy' edition, will it make me my fortune one day?
Not according to yesterday's Guardian it won't, toiras, no:
Sorry and all that.
He would say that, though, wouldn't he?
I had a mint 7" vinyl pressing of "Heartbreak Hotel" - marked "test pressing (#1 version)" in the runout groove. On the sleeve itself, Elvis had written on it "I sure hope you like this, Momma! Elvisly yours, Elvis xxx".
The bloke behind the counter at the Notting Hill Record & Tape Exchange shrugged his shoulders and said - "give you a quid for it?".
When I protested, he said that collectors are simply not interested in 7" vinyl. I haggled him up to one pound fifty. It always pays to stand your ground.
Like I care, but ...
Mr Franzen is on Radio 4 at 9am with Andrew Marr this morning. Maybe all wii be revealed.
He's into interactive
games then? :-)
I'm surely not alone in having hoped that...
... the first comment in response to this post would be a simple:
"you ain't got irony at all".
Agh
double post!