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Oh how we smoked

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This priceless clip of The Watersons in 1965 is an illustration of just how much - even when handling small children.

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Light up or leave me alone

Park Drive or Woodbines?

The Beatles with ciggies, 1963

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mojoworking | 28 June 2011 - 8:45am

From The Same Documentary

performing 'Hal An Tow' in a veritable fog of tab smoke:

Lal and Mike Waterson both died of cancer...

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Ruff-Diamond | 28 June 2011 - 8:52am

It's also an illustration

of the deep earnestness of 60s folkies.

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Brookster | 28 June 2011 - 8:54am

Did anyone see

Teenage Kicks: The Search For Sophistication last night?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0126vdf

There were a lot of things on there I'm never going to miss (including the Vesta curry) but smoking has to be No.1.

edit: or should that be No.6?

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bassclef (not verified) | 28 June 2011 - 8:57am

Sitting in a room full of foul cigarette smoke

is absolutely 100% definitely the thing that I miss the least about the old days.

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duco01 | 28 June 2011 - 9:03am

I find it almost unbelievable

when I think about it now. In my late teens I'd commute by underground from North London to Oxford Circus by tube, spending the entire journey puffing No 6's in the smoking carriage. Then when I got to work, at Harlequin Records, half of us staff used to smoke behind the counter while serving customers. No objections were ever raised, as far as I recall. How we must have stank !

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Roy Levy | 28 June 2011 - 9:17am

I tried

to broach this a while ago, with mixed results

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/remember-when-smoking-was-cool

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mojoworking | 28 June 2011 - 9:18am

Anne Briggs

Sitting on the sofa is the very young and beautiful Anne Briggs.

Actually I think the move to ban smoking in public spaces is a good one, everywhere you walk there is someone in front leaving a cloud of foul smoke. Revolting!

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Twangothan | 28 June 2011 - 9:27am

Anne Briggs...

... Her version of Blackwater Side is bloody marvelous.

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ganglesprocket | 28 June 2011 - 9:48am

Too right

I love her voice. Try this double bouzouki action job...

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Twangothan | 28 June 2011 - 10:08am

The smoking ban...

...is bloody marvellous, and I say that as someone who still occasionally enjoys the odd gasper with a pint or two. Don't miss rolling in at 2 in the morning reeking of smoke at all.

I was watching "State Of Play" - the original series, not the film - recently, and was struck by the fact that, even though it's obviously 21st Century Britain, it was filmed before then ban. Everyone's smoking in the pub! It looks weird.

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Bob | 28 June 2011 - 9:27am

This Life....

I had a similar experience watching the This Life box-set recently. Everyone was tabbing it up in the office. And that was only in 1996/97.

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Spartacus Mills | 28 June 2011 - 9:37am

I was more surprised to watch

"Gremlins 2" only to see the big haired sectaries in the office block tabbing it at their desks and this a kids film.

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Chris G | 28 June 2011 - 11:18am

Agree

I used to be a smoker - 2 years clean....but I too appreciated the ban - first, Mrs T might come to the pub now free Eau de Tab isn't built into the experience, and second because I am sure I wouldn't have given up without it. even when I still smoked I preferred it. Mind you, I have given up for 5 years before and started again, so no cause for smugness here.

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Twangothan | 28 June 2011 - 10:11am

It's June 1985

I've started training as a psychiatric nurse and I walk onto Ward 54 for my first clinical placement.

It's an afternoon shift and as I get onto the ward Sister is dispensing lunchtime medication, there are 3 or 4 waiting at the medicine trolley, all of them smoking, even Sister is smoking and has an ashtray actually on a shelf in the trolley.

Oh happy days!

The amount of smokers who work in the care industry is quite incredible.

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Neil Dyson | 28 June 2011 - 9:29am

at out paitients the other day

saw the sad sight of patients holding onto drips having a gasper at the hospital entrance, a big old NHS dispensed nicotine patch on their arms for good measure,

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Chris G | 28 June 2011 - 11:21am

My wife's an intensive care nurse.

She says that smokers are great at making rapid recoveries. They can't wait to get out of their beds and outside for a tab.

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Lenny Law | 28 June 2011 - 12:25pm

Smokers outside the hospital doors

City Hospital in Birmingham allocated budget to building shelters for smokers when the indoor ban came in.

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LastRoseofSummer | 28 June 2011 - 8:33pm

I remember

as I five year old at primary school in the morning the teacher used to get us to write (or draw) our diaries, stick her feet up on the desk and spark up a Benny hedgehog. Different times!

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Jim M | 28 June 2011 - 9:37am

Me and my dad

Around March-April 1972. At least he had the consideration to smoke in the hand further from me.

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Lucas Hare | 28 June 2011 - 9:47am

That's a great picture

I have a similar one of my dad strapping me into my car seat with a fag in his mouth literally inches from my face. I was none the wiser.

Today, I'm a smoker. Must have rubbed off.

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Five-Centres | 28 June 2011 - 10:10am

Great picture

There is one of me (on slide, not photo) of my Auntie Gloria holding me up to her face with a fag hanging out of her mouth.

There is also another one of me with her: her box of fags (Players) are in my baby bouncer with me to play with.

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JoLean | 28 June 2011 - 10:17am

we have a expensive studio

portrait of my grandad looking like Al capone complete with his ever present roll up in his mouth

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Chris G | 28 June 2011 - 11:23am

Was your dad

going through his Elton John phase there Lucas?

Let's see, April 1972: Madman Across The Water was the current LP and Honky Chateau was just a month away.

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mojoworking | 28 June 2011 - 10:58am

Elton John?

Pure Buddy Holly retro.

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Lucas Hare | 28 June 2011 - 11:03am

It's the kids I feel sorry for

That's the thing that's most striking about this clip - the fact that people are pretty much smoking while dandling children on their knees. And these are not thoughtless slatterns. Well, they're thoughtless. But not slatterns.

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David Hepworth | 28 June 2011 - 9:49am

Keeping our feeling-sorry-for feelings in proportion

It's the children of the thoughtless non-smokers who bring up their kids here who I feel more sorry for. Nearly five times more sorry for.

According to parliament's Environmental Audit Committee, 50,000 people a year die in the UK from respiratory and cardiovascular disease caused by air pollution. And that's nearly five times more than the number who are believed to die as a result of passive smoking. (It's also more than die in road accidents or from obesity-related disease.)

As Andrew Harrison perhaps wouldn't put it, just sayin'.

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Archie Valparaiso | 28 June 2011 - 10:48am

Tobacco smoke

is part of that air pollution figure. Not by any means the major part (that would be vehicle exhausts, wouldn't it?) but it's in there.

I haven't smoked since 1991 (drunken cigar at brother's 40th birthday do) but I'm not greatly bothered by people smoking unless they light up in my car or my flat, which are both strictly verboten.
OTOH, pubs are better without smoke everywhere.

If you're a smoker and you ever have occasion to work at Glaxo Smith Kline's campus in Stevenage, you'll find you have to go outside the main entrance gate to the campus (a ten-minute drive from the remoter buildings) to have a gasper. Smoking anywhere inside the campus, outdoors or in, is forbidden and they'll chuck you off-site if they catch you. This company rule has been in place since long before the legal smoking ban, making GSK a very unpopular work site for building tradesmen.

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Mike_H | 30 June 2011 - 6:40am

Smokescreens

Although these things are virtually impossible to segregate exactly, pollution levels outdoors and indoors are kept separate when collecting data, it seems.

Yes, transport is by far the largest contibuting factor to air pollution in urban areas, followed by fossil-fuel-burning power stations.

Just to be clear, I'm not denying the risks of smoking nor saying that passive smoking should be ignored because there are far worse things in far greater quantities being sucked into our lungs with every city breath we take. It was Dave's use of "thoughtless" that I was picking up on.

I believe that for many years now there has been a deliberate, concerted campaign by European governments to divert attention away from a problem they are unable or unwilling to address - the outrageous number of people that the crap in the air in our cities kills each year - and focus on a related but far lesser problem that they can do something about: passive smoking.

The following is from DEFRA's - that's the old Department of the Environment to the likes of me - FAQ on air pollution and health, and when you look at it and think about it a bit, it's absolutely surreal (my italics).

What are the risks of air pollution to cyclists? Would travelling outside of rush hour or along less congested roads significantly lessen any of the risks?

There is, at present, no clear answer to this question and we are unable to comment on the different levels of risk to individual persons. Cycling is becoming more accepted as a solution to urban air quality problems and is recognised as a healthy form of exercise. It has been suggested that to a healthy person with no respiratory problems, the benefits of cycling may outweigh the effects of air pollution. Levels of pollution may be higher in the centre of the road leading to greater exposure to drivers than to pedestrians and cyclists.

See what they did there? The answer to the second question is so obviously a resounding "Fuck, yes!" that you have to ask why they won't say it. Compare and contrast the fudging and weaselling of that statement with the making-crucifix-with-candlesticks certainty that characterises every official statement and policy about passive smoking and children. It's been decided that - for the good of the nation's children - parents should be banned from smoking inside their cars when carrying kids as passengers, despite air-conditioning or open windows or many other conditioning variables that are almost impossible to measure. Yet ask who's handing out the breathing apparatus for children to use when they're in the playground of an inner-city school and you'll get the "no clear answer" spiel again.

I suggest that nobody really knows the true risks or effects in either case. After all, this is smoke we're dealing with - a notoriously tricky commodity to pin down. But to do next to nothing about transport-created air pollution,* while demonising smokers as the primary enemies of the nation's health is just desperate, cynical and ultimately very dangerous spin.

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*Even the wording of the "congestion charge" gives the game away. It's the jamming up of the city's traffic flow that's the problem for the authorities, not the clogging up of our airways that happens when we walk around there.

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Archie Valparaiso | 30 June 2011 - 8:42am

Close to home

I've just cycled into work and had a lungful of black smoke from a Stagecoach bus. I need a tab to get rid of the taste.

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Spartacus Mills | 30 June 2011 - 8:42am

Good point Archie

I think it's about time cars carried health warnings on their bonnets to alert us to their polluting potential. I'm guessing that a Range Rover, for example, is something akin to the Capstan Full Strength of cars, while the Nissan Micra is more of your Silk Cut Ultra Mild. The public has a right to know which cars are killing them quickest.

Personally, and speaking as an ex-smoker, I think the smoking ban is completely unnecessary. Are we really saying in this day and age that we cannot create a pub environment that works for both smokers and non-smokers? That we cannot create an air conditioning system that keeps smoke out of the faces of those that don't want it. And what's worse for the employee: collecting glasses from the smoking section, or clearing the tables outside by the road?

The Dutch have just banned tobacco smoking from their coffee shops. You can still smoke hash and grass, but not tobacco. That is bizarre.

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Martin | 30 June 2011 - 3:45pm

Diesels are the worst

Particulate matter emissions. Most nasty.

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Lenny Law | 30 June 2011 - 5:34pm

The Body Shop head office

was the same in the early 1990s. Anita Roddick was a rabid anti smoker. It was very unusual to have a non smoking site in those days.

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davebigpicture | 1 July 2011 - 2:16pm

I recall

sitting in the cafeteria of BHS in Edinburgh as recently as 2004.

They had a No Smoking section, but it was worse than useless as the smoke simply drifted across from the assembled Neds and Rab C. Nesbitts on the other side of the rope divide, adding a nice dollop of essence of No.6 to your reasonably-priced breakfast.

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mojoworking | 28 June 2011 - 9:54am

As has been said before

(and I can't remember by whom)

"Having a smoking section in a restaurant makes about as much sense as having a pissing section in a swimming pool."

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Joe R | 28 June 2011 - 10:10am

Brilliant!

What a great quote

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mojoworking | 28 June 2011 - 10:17am

Changing medical advice

My grandmother took up smoking when she was 28 on the advice of a doctor. She had just been widowed, and he told her that smoking would help when she was worried. Her husband had just died of lung disease.

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Melville | 28 June 2011 - 10:10am

Doctors

would never lie to you.

Some years ago I was ripping up the lino in a flat and found some old newspapers underneath, including pages from a Daily Express dating from 1917.

One story claimed that "the medical world is now convinced that cancer is contagious and that cancer of the mouth and tongue is caused by pipe sharing".

"Doctors strongly advise smokers never to lend their pipes to others", it went on.

So you can all get your dirty hands off my meerschaum!

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mojoworking | 28 June 2011 - 10:32am

The irony being that, in many ways, they were right.

Not the bit about pipe-sharing, though. Squamous cell carcinomas of the mouth, tongue, penis, vagina, cervix and anus are strongly linked to early exposure to the human papilloma virus (HPV) and may, essentially, be considered as sexually transmitted diseases. The HPV vaccination for cervical cancer currently being given to girls is being modified and there is talk of administering it to both sexes.

There is, however, a strong compounding link to tobacco and alcohol use as well, particularly chewing tobacco, in oral cancers.

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Lenny Law | 28 June 2011 - 12:33pm

Aw Lenny...

...I've been dining out on that story for over 30 years.

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mojoworking | 28 June 2011 - 1:00pm

....aaaah...

...this must have been before the great Ripping-Up-Lino ban of '87.
Great days they were. You could rip up lino in front of your kids, in cinemas, on the tube, even in restaurants. Me and the wife used to rip up a bit of lino after a spot of how's-yer-father. Fatuous question that, her father was ripping up lino in the downstairs parlour, whatever that is.

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radarchisels | 30 June 2011 - 5:41pm

At the same time...

has anyone ever met a more sanctimonious creature than an ex-smoker.

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Doug B | 28 June 2011 - 10:18am

Yep

None of the ex-smokers I know are particularly sanctimonious. I'm sure some are, but there's no need to tar (arf) everyone with the same brush.

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Spartacus Mills | 28 June 2011 - 10:21am

Sanctimonious

ex-smokers are indeed sanctimonious. Other ex-smokers are available.

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Brookster | 28 June 2011 - 10:21am

Mad Men,

need I say more. My parents both smoked, infact I think my dad started my mother on her - albeit modest - habit. Apart from the giveaway gasper in the bathroom whilst growing up, never liked it though now enjoy the odd cigar and was thinking last night that I have reached the age when a pipe wouldn't look too ridiculous.

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Francis Barry-Walsh | 28 June 2011 - 10:23am

If it's an affectation you're after

Couldn't you choose something non-carcinogenic? Like an eye-patch or an ear trumpet?

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Brookster | 28 June 2011 - 10:28am

Pipes never look ridiculous

I abhor smoking. I've never done it, I never would (I have asthma) and I think my girlfriend would kick me out if I took it up. However, if in some parallel universe I were to smoke, I would always smoke a pipe.

However, it is worth bearing in mind that I'm a bit of a twat.

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Joe R | 28 June 2011 - 10:40am

Think On Joe...

Pipe Smoker Of The Year 1982:

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Ruff-Diamond | 1 July 2011 - 3:51pm

Pipe smoking

is manly, patriotic and prevents you from becoming homosexual.

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Brookster | 28 June 2011 - 10:47am

doesn't seem to work on all fronts...

2003's Pipesmoker of the year

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Chris G | 28 June 2011 - 11:31am

Not sure it worked

for Graham Chapman...

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nigelthebald | 28 June 2011 - 11:35am

It's practically compulsory here

I live in Sarajevo, and everyone smokes. I don't know of any restaurants with a non-smoking section, let alone a non-smoking restaurant. There are two non-smoking cafes, in a city of 100s of cafes. Taxi drivers smoke, bus drivers smoke, the teller in the post office smokes. People smoke in the corridor outside my office, and some even smoke in their offices, despite rules to the contrary.

Cigarettes cost in the region of 80p-£1 a pack, and recently went down in price. When is the last time that happened in Britain?

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ratbiter | 28 June 2011 - 10:41am

That's terrible

It must be awful there.

Errrr.... You couldn't ship me over a few cartons of silk cut could you?

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art vanderlay | 28 June 2011 - 5:58pm

A couple of years ago...

... I went to Poland on a stag night. You could smoke indoors and everyone did. I came back stinking to high heaven with a voice not unlike Marge Simpson's. Up till then, I was against the smoking ban. I'm not sure I'd want it lifted now.

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ganglesprocket | 28 June 2011 - 10:58am

Honk

The only down side since the smoking ban in pubs is that you can now smell the horrendous stink of the toilets.

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jonnyartist | 28 June 2011 - 10:59am

A few years ago

I was walking through a narrow Soho backstreet in mid-winter when I noticed a sizable crowd of people milling about on the pavement amid lots of hubbub, with some of them spilling onto the road.

My first thought was "bomb scare" and that the building had been evacuated. But as I drew closer I noticed the barriers preventing them from encroaching onto the front of the adjoining buildings and it became clear what was happening. The newly-introduced smoking ban!

The building was a small backstreet pub and these poor souls were obliged to gather outside on the narrow pavement in the drizzle to have a fag.

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mojoworking | 30 June 2011 - 7:01am

Depending on your venue of choice

you might replace "toilets" with "patrons".

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Cadabra | 30 June 2011 - 6:54pm

Mmmmm...

... disinfectant!

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ganglesprocket | 28 June 2011 - 11:20am

Don't forget

the delightful undercurrent of body odour!

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mojoworking | 28 June 2011 - 11:22am

was working at an event were

Howard Marks was appearing had to walk out after he started a long and glib hymn to smoking 9this is normal fags not bifters) glossing over over the all the harm it causes, his stoner fans lapped it up though.

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Chris G | 28 June 2011 - 11:27am

Things we don't miss:

Having been out to pub/venue etc. full of smokers, then coming home late and taking off my t-shirt to receive a glorious face full of tobacco aroma.

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Sir Tainley Gno... | 28 June 2011 - 11:49am

I agree, but...

...I remember in my youth, years before I started smoking myself and when I had just started to go to the few clubs that let me in at 15, coming home at night I would bury my nose in my top and enjoy the smell of his cigarette smoke mixed with my perfume...
In fact for the rest of the week I wouldn't throw that top in the laundry basket, I'd reach for it every now and then, sniff it enthusiastically and daydream ( some of those daydreams probably rather X-rated... )
Maybe it was a girlie thing ? ;)
( And these days, since quitting smoking many years ago, I wouldn't find that smell romantic or sexy, just disgusting! )

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Locust | 29 June 2011 - 12:56am

Sales of Febreze

must have plummeted in 2007.

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Cadabra | 30 June 2011 - 6:54pm

The Nutty Professor

The Bisto family watched the original Jerry Lewis version from 1963. I'd forgotten (or more likely did not notice) how copious the smoking is by Buddy Love, the prof's hip alter ego. Watching him smoke this time around had an odd effect on me. I felt uncomfortable at the sight of it and, unsurprisingly, the eldest daughter wanted to know why he was smoking so much. It felt like it was intended to be invidious but I don't know whether by design on the part of Lewis or by an accident of hindsight, as a reflection of my own 21st Century sensibilities.

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Ahh_Bisto | 28 June 2011 - 12:23pm

In 1985, some friends of mine were Royal Naval oficer cadets.

They were doing their first set of exams. You were allowed to take nothing into the exam room. All necessary materials would be provided. And so they were. Pens, pencils, geometrical equipment, navigational tables and the like. Plus an ashtray, a box of Swan Vestas and a pack of twenty RN issue tabs.

(These were known to all as Blue Lines because of the blue line down the side of each cigarette. They were rough as arseholes. I'm waiting for Jackthebiscuit to come over all nostalgic)

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Lenny Law | 28 June 2011 - 12:50pm

Roughest fags I've ever smoked

Were these Israeli offerings, smoked while working on a kibbutz in the early 90s. The locals would take pity on you if they saw you smoking them. About 25p a packet if memory serves.

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Brookster | 28 June 2011 - 1:14pm

Childishness alert

Just had a good old snigger at the name of those, despite it probabably not being pronounced as I first read it.

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milkybarnick | 28 June 2011 - 2:02pm

Blmey yes!

I was there. Nobless were really harsh. There was another type too but I can't remember the name. White pack? What was I doing?

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Twangothan | 28 June 2011 - 2:31pm

Blimey, this is going back a bit

Time?

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Brookster | 28 June 2011 - 2:57pm
Bob | 28 June 2011 - 2:59pm

san wu

means "three fives" in chinese. These fags were massive in China in the eighties and someone tipped (hehe) me off about this in Hong Kong just before I left for the mainland in the spring of '85. Flashing a "san wu" paid off big time travelling around China, it could upgrade your hotel room, get you a nicer table, a better seat on the bus, even get you on a flight that was full. A couple of years later flashing some "san wu" outside a club in Beijing got me in to see the grandaddy of Chinese Rock Cui Jian who had just released China's first rock album "Rock and Roll on the new Long march" which is still a classic. And in '89 over a few beers and some "san wu" Cui Jian & myself debated the crushed Tian An men demos. I enjoyed them at the time but "San Wu" are still causing millions of deaths in China every year.

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slatts | 29 June 2011 - 2:55pm

Cough cough - yes

Yes I remembered "Time" whilst fannying about in garage. Jeez. And that weird lemon vodka. I probably still haven't recovered!

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Twangothan | 28 June 2011 - 3:15pm

Shortly after I gave up smoking*

I got drunk and had a craving for a cigarette. Economy being of the essence (ie I was nearly skint) I bought a pack of Royals. I managed to smoke one, and coughed all night.

The following day, I tried another one. Three gasps and I was heaving. Sawdust. I'm convinced of it. Haven't touched one since.

*Alright, shortly before; or, rather, between having given up smoking on two consecutive occasions.

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Wardour | 28 June 2011 - 8:30pm

And these

...in cool flat pack white card with funky Greek writing on them. Smoked piles of them whilst grape picking. Then came back to work and happily smoked them in a small office with three non smokers. Utterly unthinkable now.

Photobucket

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Twangothan | 30 June 2011 - 11:27am

Marlboro Menthol Thai Version

Back in about 2001 I went to Oz for work and had a stopover in Bangkok where I just had enough time to purchase a catering pack of Marlboro Menthols at a very attractive price.

Boy did I rip into them...mmmm....cut-price minty goodness.

By day four I had lost all sensation in my mouth. The taste buds had packed in by day two.

I concluded that perhaps they lacked some of the healthy attributes of their UK counterparts. Still.....joyfully cheap.

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V66ALD | 30 June 2011 - 3:01pm

Parkinson in the 70s.

How well I recall Peter Cook's appearances. Whenever Cook was out of shot, or when Parky was talking to another guest, you knew he was still there from the cloud of cigarette smoke that drifted across the screen at all times.

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mojoworking | 28 June 2011 - 12:50pm

Blimey...

I've never been an habitual smoker, and haven't smoked anything for about twenty years. I'm gasping for one now, though!

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Adman | 28 June 2011 - 7:47pm

While in this state DO NOT...

under any circumstances watch an episode of 'Madmen' .

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Roy Levy | 29 June 2011 - 6:29am

where have

I read that line "oh how we smoked" before? It's been bugging me all day.

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Jim M | 28 June 2011 - 7:50pm

I thought

it was a variation on a line from Brendan Behan's Borstal Boy. But a quick search on Google throws up nowt.

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mojoworking | 29 June 2011 - 2:40am

Are you thinking of...

"Oh How We Danced" , an album by Jim Capaldi ?

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Roy Levy | 29 June 2011 - 9:19am

The Jim Capaldi album

Oh How We Danced takes its title from the 1920 Al Jolson song of the same name and contains a cover version.

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mojoworking | 29 June 2011 - 10:02am

I had no idea

Did Jim used to black up to sing it ?

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Roy Levy | 29 June 2011 - 3:28pm

No

you're thinking of his lost years with the Black and White Minstrels.

That was pre-Traffic, of course.

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mojoworking | 30 June 2011 - 7:05am

Oh, how they danced …

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Brookster | 29 June 2011 - 9:23am

It

must have been something I read in The Chap.

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Jim M | 29 June 2011 - 2:05pm

I didn't realise my dad smoked

I didn't twig until I'd left home, in fact. I guess that dog walking, 'fixing the car', work and the pub provided enough opportunities without him actually smoking in the house. He later told me he'd been smoking since he was 6. I couldn't have been more astonished if he'd told me he was really Elvis. Throat cancer stopped him (in remission, thankfully).

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Lando Cakes | 28 June 2011 - 9:12pm

Most times I bloody

love smoking, especially with coffee in the morning and wine or beer at night. Can't believe I gave up for a couple of years, I must have been mad. Really annoys me you can't smoke at gigs. Smokers should pay less for their tickets really as they have to spend a fair amount of time outside.

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Mr Fade | 28 June 2011 - 9:22pm

Well said, sir!

Smoking's brill! I particularly like smoking and swearing at the same time. Makes me look more grown up.

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Sting Ono | 30 June 2011 - 1:51pm

Compulsive onanists

should also get discounts, as they have to go to the toilet cubicle every half hour to crack one off.

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Brookster | 30 June 2011 - 2:20pm

Every half-hour?

That's a bit infrequent.

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Lenny Law | 30 June 2011 - 5:28pm

"The Lord delivered me from smoking"

You could always try exchanging one form of insanity for another.

http://www.healedpeople.com/knowledge/addictions/1-smoking/2-the-lord-de...

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mojoworking | 29 June 2011 - 4:44am

One of the stranger...

...aspects of Primary Sclerosing Cholangitis - the autoimmune disease that I suffer from - is that it's almost exclusively a disease of non-smokers.

The profile is reversed in a similar condition called Primary Biliary Cirrhosis which seems to effect smokers more.

Nobody knows why - something to do with the way that the chemicals in cigarettes interact with the immune system.

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backwards7 | 29 June 2011 - 7:42am

Swarb


Dave Swarbrick, fiddle playing wrapped in smoke as I remember him.
Lung transplant 2004

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hubertrawlinson | 29 June 2011 - 10:14am

Died shortly afterwards...

...according to the Daily Telegraph.

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Colin H | 29 June 2011 - 2:12pm

Swarb's

premature obituary appeared in the Daily Telegraph in April 1999 after he was admitted to hospital with a chest infection, prompting the quip: "It's not the first time I have died in Coventry."

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mojoworking | 29 June 2011 - 2:26pm

My apologies, Moje...

...my temporal memory is astoundingly poor. If something happened six weeks ago it might seem in my mind like a week, or vice versa. Hence I'm increasingly rubbish at keeping up with friends, who think I'm avoiding them when to me.... well, you get the idea!

Still, Swarb certainly got his career-resurrection money's worth out of the DT's faux pas...

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Colin H | 29 June 2011 - 2:33pm

Don't forget

Non-smokers die too!

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Mr Fade | 29 June 2011 - 2:53pm

Just that they die

ten year's later on average.

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Brookster | 29 June 2011 - 2:59pm

...clogging up

Care Homes and bankrupting the economy.

Smoking is my contribution to The Big Society. I should get a tax rebate.

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Helena Handcart | 30 June 2011 - 6:12am

Interesting hypothesis

By that token, the nanny state should also repeal the legislation on car seat belts. Not only would it thin out the population a bit, but it would also provide a steady supply of transplant organs.

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Brookster | 30 June 2011 - 9:26am

Any pipe smokers in the rock world?

I can only think of Derek Smalls and Duck Dunn. Maybe it's a bass player's thing.


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Brookster | 29 June 2011 - 2:22pm

A cursory Google search

reveals Ginger Baker

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Brookster | 29 June 2011 - 2:38pm

Ahhh

There are pipes and then there are 'pipes'. Still see tons of the latter.

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Jorrox | 30 June 2011 - 12:13pm

Ian Anderson...

...has appeared on some single pic sleeves (and possibly LP sleeves, would have to check the back of 'Heavy Horses' etc) and in 70s/80s documentaries with a pipe. And I think Tull's keyboard player/orchestrator of the same period, David Palmer, also sported a pipe onstage. All of which fitted well with the tweedy country squire look. And which, in retrospect, made punk all the more likely to happen...

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Colin H | 29 June 2011 - 2:37pm

Solo LP

from Lindisfarne man fits the bill

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mojoworking | 29 June 2011 - 2:45pm

Smoking a pipe if you're under 70

these days would have you down as a curio. I can't remember the last time I saw someone smoking a pipe, and I'm sure I've never seen anyone of my peers smoke one ever.

If anyone under 70 does smoke a pipe these days it's surely an affectation. No one has a Condor moment anymore.

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Five-Centres | 29 June 2011 - 3:06pm

Remember when

smoking was allowed on the upper deck of buses? Somehow I always managed to sit behind the old geezer in the matching overcoat and trilby who would merrily puff away on his briar creating a veritable miasma of noxious, evil smelling fumes for several rows around him.

When it was a rainy day you could add the reek of gently steaming hair and clothes to the upper deck ambience.

Great days.

Old blokes with pipes. Where are they now? They've gone the way of one-legged paper sellers.

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mojoworking | 30 June 2011 - 3:16am

As we speak

the Australian government is about to introduce legislation forcing the tobacco companies to sell their wares in plain packaging, so that every brand of cigarettes will look virtually the same. The thinking behind this is to de-glamorise cigarettes, theoretically making them less appealing to young smokers.

Inevitably, the tobacco companies are screaming blue murder about this and are spending millions on TV ads condemning the plain packaging legislation and denouncing the Julia Gillard Labor (sic) government for creating a "Nanny State".

Every store that sells cigarettes has petitions on the counter and posters on the wall calling for the legislation to be scrapped.

I believe Australia is one of the first countries in the world to try and introduce this kind of legislation, so there are interesting times ahead.

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mojoworking | 30 June 2011 - 4:10am

Does anyone else think this is getting a bit silly?

I don't smoke, I recognise the health issues, I know they kill people. So instead of putting horror-movie pics on a pack of fags why not go the whole hog and ban the bloody things outright? Otherwise we'll have to start putting pictures of gaping exit wounds on firearms, sketches of of disarticulated RTA victims on the side the cars and artists' impressions of the apocalypse on the side of banks.

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Glenbervie | 30 June 2011 - 2:42pm

You're forgetting the hypocrisy aspect

No government will ever ban smoking.

On one hand they pay lip service to the terrible damage it does, yet with the other they happily rake in billions in tobacco tax revenue.

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mojoworking | 30 June 2011 - 2:52pm

The tax argument is nonsense

If the tax from fags was lost becaues they are banned, people don't just save their money they ultimately spend it on things that get taxed ie. beer, holidays, petrol etc. So if Govt. ban smoking they may be a short term drop in revenue but that money will appear in the economy sooner or later. The main reason for reluctance is of course pressue from tobabcco industry and also the huge numbers of people who smoke and a reluctance to have the problems of the prohibiton era usa a total ban would produce most likely.

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Chris G | 30 June 2011 - 4:08pm

It's a good idea

I had the same idea a few years ago. With the added proviso that you could only buy cigarettes in bulk (say boxes of 200) from state-run shops.

I'm amused how the tobacco industry is peddling doublethink on this (it will affect their profits while simultaneously not working).

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Brookster | 30 June 2011 - 2:14pm

Here's the twist

the tobacco industry is running scared over this to the extent that they have broken with tradition and given their first media interviews in decades.

One tobacco spokesman claimed that the legislation will lead to MORE smoking for the following reason:

The plain packaging will be easier to counterfeit, meaning that Australia will be flooded with cheap bootleg fags from S.E.Asia.

Lock up your kids!

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mojoworking | 30 June 2011 - 2:37pm

More smoking artists

This is rather cool, isn't it?

On the other hand he died at the ripe old age of 53?

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Joachim Arnerholm | 30 June 2011 - 3:32pm

Bill Hicks

... words like 'chicken' and 'roost' inevitably come to mind, bless him.

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lucknow1856 | 1 July 2011 - 1:46pm

A real brand

They were sold with the slogans '13.5 million smokers will admit it's bad for them. Only one tobacco company will', 'Let Us Be The Nail In Your Coffin' and 'The Grim Reaper Don't Come Cheaper'.

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fortuneight | 1 July 2011 - 4:09pm
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