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Not Going to See Morrissey This Weekend
We bought our tickets to see Morrissey in Manchester several months ago (his 50th birthday concert), but when last week we started to make the final arrangements to go e.g. check train times, hotels, etc. we decided we really couldn't be bothered, so we sold the tickets. To use annoying contemporary terminology, it was a "no brainer".
I feel a bit guilty as I love Morrissey and the Smiths, but I really wasn't looking forward to it, knowing that he'd play all the songs I don't want to hear and none of the ones I do. And I don't like his band which for me lacks subtlety and sounds a bit thrashy live. Last time I saw him I was bored.
Would anyone else throw away the chance to see Mozza in his home town on his 50th?
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It would be great if...
the whole audience felt like you and nobody turned up.
It would serve the prat right with his track record of flouncing about cancelling gigs and TV appearances at the last minute.
He has an utter disdain of his own audience so deserves nothing in return.
on my to do list
of things I'm not going to do, not going to see Morrisey is one I am going to do
Apparently...
...he is going to play the Smiths' singles start to finish followed by his ten best solo tracks.
Enjoy your evening elsewhere.
Johnny Marr
& Sandy Shaw and Thora Hird (on the deaf aid)probably
I don't get it
Was it just the setlist he's been playing that put you off? Does he usually do a greatest hits set but surprisingly hasn't been this time?
Or was it the huge hassle of booking train tickets and a hotel?
Sorry if that's a touch sarcastic, but it seems bizarre that you would book to see him and then suddenly it's a no-brainer to cancel.
Mozza in his own town on his 50th?
How quaint - wish I had known I would have queued for weeks for those little beauties. Second thoughts, what's on the telly?
You're not putting me off
I'm going Saturday - not seen him before live but thought it was one to do before (1) he gets any older (too old) (2) if 50% of the set is classic Smiths or Morrissey then it will outshine 80% of anything else available on the live circuit and (3) its part of my programme to see all the old hands this year as a send off just in case they fade away (Morrissey followed by PSB then Pogues, Amsterdam then Bunnymen lined up - back to the 80s!!!) Hitchcock and McNabb been and gone - want to go and see Billy Bragg Friday this week but it clashes with Squire (yes - THAT SQUIRE - guilty ex mod secret revealed) There's so much on in the North West this year its like being a 13 yr kid in a sweet shop (after learning I'm not the dad)
profit
so it it the air of arrogance, pure laziness or the ability to sell on ebay (for profit)that made you take the ''no brainer'' decision. Stay in you bore.
pastelz,
you've only been here a short while, so maybe this needs explaining: this isn't YouTube.
We're a friendly bunch here - largely polite to each other, too - and uncalled for insults stand out like a sore thumb.
Have a look in the FAQ section up above for posting guidelines before you post gratuitous insults. (With or without wild assumptions.)
Just tone it down, eh?
Seconded.
Out of order.
Thirded
Let's all play nice!
Fourthed
..
Definitely!
This site is for the erudite, the enlightened, the passionate, the inquisitive, the learned and so on. To recycle an ancient adage - 'when a man resorts to profanities or insults to support his arguments it means that either the argument is weak, or he is, or, quite possibly, both.
Thanks
for the support.
For the info of the previous poster, we've no interest in profit - we sold at under face value and would have given the tickets away to friends, if any of them liked Morrissey.
I suppose seeing the video below put me off too - Morrissey is still a hero of mine, but it's not pleasant to see a fabulous song massacred like this - sorry but it's pub rock and painful to listen to.
That was
truly horrible.
Your decision not to go makes more and more sense.
I thought
that was rather good. He certainly hit every note and the band didn't turn it into the rockabilly thrash that I was expecting.
I sit in the middle...
it wasn't awful, nor was it great. The trouble with his band is that they're lumpen, lacking a musician with the grace and subtlety of Johnny Marr.
Lumpen
That's what made it horrible for me, Patrick: without JM's lightness of touch one of my favourite ever songs was transformed, on the evidence above, into something that fell on my ears with a dull thud.
The horror was in the contrast.
As highly praised as The Smiths were at the time...
I think it is only becoming clear now just how great Johnny Marr's guitar playing and general musical nous were during that five year burst of energy and creativity. In a sense I'm not really having a dig at Morrissey's band because musicians as talented as Marr don't come along very often.
His live band are awful now...
but it has been worse...I remember seeing him when he had a bunch of Teddy boys as his backing band, every song was bludgeoned into a rockabilly style - terrible!
He could do with a decent musical partner who is his equal, someone who's not afraid to say stop being such a prat and concentrate on the music.
Hang on,
he called him a bore. Tell me we're not so fragile!
Bit unfair I thought
can you get black balled from here for calling someone boring?
I don't think
anyone's suggesting blackballing.
I was simply struck by the way a very new visitor's post stood out as unusual by virtue of its rudeness and unfounded accusation of profiteering, and so I pointed him/her in the direction of the guidelines, which specifically ask us not to be rude.
Where's the harm in that?
I reckon there were three other insults
before he called him a bore. At least two were suppositions as well.
Precisely, Lee.
And for the avoidance of doubt
Longtonian was accused of: arrogance, laziness and profiteering as well as being boring.
If someone who knew me accused me of being arrogant, lazy, dishonest (because that's what the accusation of profiteering amounts to) and boring I'd be offended; never mind someone I'd never met.
He wasn't accused
of arrogance, laziness and profiteering. He was asked whether that was his motivation.
Only the 'Bore' was stated as an opinion.
A question
couched like that reads like an accusation to me.
Can you think of a more plausible interpretation?
Hence my But Seriously... post
I really don't
think it was that bad. It wouldn't be the first time someone has hidden an opinion behind a question. The guy [or lady] hasn't been here long enough to know that one needs to mask an insult behind a smile, thus :-)
Pop one of those at the end of his/her post and suddenly it becomes more palatable.
As for posting guidelines, those are flaunted continually. Like this one for instance, 'use plain and proper English: this isn't the place to impress with the size of your thesaurus'. Next time you encounter that particular transgression, point it out. That should keep you busy. :-)
Trans what?
Bowie song, innit?
Nope
It was Joy Division. Bore.
Sorry. Forgot the :o) at the end of my insult
Whatever
v v
Posting guidelines
I'd agree, Chas, that the guidelines are frequently flouted, and that anyone policing the 'plain and proper' suggestion could well have their work cut out, depending on the working definition of the term 'plain English'. (Were I to take on the task, I might have to feel my own collar on occasion...)
It's just that as in the "real world", so on this site: some rules count for more than do others; and I regard the 'be nice' line as particularly important. One of the many lovely things about the Word blog is the way we relate to each other - as you say, it's simple to soften an insult with a smile, and then no-one gets particularly offended.
Whereas people ignoring the 'plain English' suggestion can be helpful: I'd almost certainly still have no idea what "coruscating" means if I hadn't been prompted to look it up. (Thanks again, Chris G)
Your loss
The reason he sells out gigs year after year without having to do a greatest hits set is that he is consistently great live.
but
it's a fair point about his band in my opinion
Indeed
his band have all the subtlety of a herd of elephants as they trample over his catalogue and studiously avoid anything that requires any lightness of touch
Still, enjoy, he can still be more entertaining than most
The thing people don't get
He loves that kind of music, New York Dolls, Ramones. It might be a shock for some people after The Smiths but that type of loud raucous music was the man's first love. He wants his band to sound like that.
That's a good point...
but the trouble is that Morrissey's band don't play loud and raucous music particularly well either.
For years...
I've gone to things that I thought I ought to go to.
I've done the same as you and bought tickets for a gig and then life has taken over and the thing that I thought would bring me so much joy seems like a chore.
Recently I've decided that it doesn't matter if the mood doesn't suit the event.
The tickets have gone to someone else who really wants to go, you've saved some cash and doing something you feel like doing.
I think it's called the path of least resistance. Oftentimes it's a good way to go.
Enjoy your alternative to Morrissey.
yours,
claire rayner.
Mr Drayton..
.. I too adopted this stance, after suffering a performance by the Sterophonics at Preston Guild Hall.
At the time they were selling out stadiums and did this as a warm up for something or other. I managed to get tickets much to the dismay of a few work collegues that were desperate to go. I'd heard such glowing live reviews that I thought that they must be a live sensation, rather than the tiresome plodders I'd heard on disc.
I literaly yawned my way through it and on the way home thought -this is daft. I never liked 'em, I knew on the way home from work I never liked 'em - why on earth didn't i make someone else happy...
So, If I get tickets and change my mind (or have soemthing better to do) - i just pass them on to someone who wants to go.
you pays your money
you take your chances -it is party of the rock 'n'roll thing
the odd gem among the dross is what makes it worthwhile. It could be the gig of a lifetime.
And if you are a fan of the man -notwithstanding misgivings, then i reckon you have made the wrong call.
I know the feeling
Much as I adore The Smiths and the early Morrissey solo stuff, it has taken me some time to accept that he isn't the same bloke who sang those sublime songs and wrote the witty and brilliant lyrics. I tried to like the 'comeback' albums, but in truth found them largely lumpen rhythms with second hand Morrissey-isms. Now in the current Word i read that according to him 'nothing really matters'. Oh, the death of musical ambition. I have come to the view that he employs pub bands because that is how likes it, he is the star, they are the hired hands who don't offer any resistance. To this day, he still harps on about the court case, dismissing the input of Joyce and O'Rourke, and seemingly oblivious to the glory that Marr brought him. And to think Marr's next idea for The Smiths was a kind of suite of songs a la Scott Walker - not a pub rock band. That unfulfilled promise is truly a waste of talents, and an illustration of how the whole is greater than the parts, something Mozzer seems entirely unable to understand. His voice seems to find it hard to emulate that soaring lyrical quality he used to have, and makes him sound like a parody of his former self. Sad, sad, sad.
Late adopter
I came late to the Smiths: I didn't like the gladioli and hearing aid antics on TOTP, let alone his hair. I was, in my defence, then a hard wired folkie. However I did like "Girlfriend in a Coma" and I then, much later, read of Johnny Marr's suggestion that his riffs were speeded up Simon Nicol (Fairport) rhythm guitar. So, as of about 10 years ago I listened anew, having also taken custody of LPs post divorce, and finding a copy of "Strangeways etc". Not their greatest outing, I suspect, comatose girlfriend apart, but I then bought greatest hits, spurred on by Ukranian versions as played by, um, the Ukranians.
The same is true of Morrissey. So spurning are most of the inches about him, or, at the other end, fawning, with nowt in between, that I "decided" I still didn't like him, even if the Smiths were now OK. A couple of years ago, when I was having a momentary phase of radio listening, 2 since you ask, and his singles, First of the Gang to Die and Kiss Me, were getting a lot of play, the tunes rattling around my head, even if the Kray-homaging homoerotic lyrics grated. I initially satisfied myself with Nancy Sinatra's version of the latter, then sneaking the odd Morrissey track onto the pod via blogsites. I, of course, joined in the ritual abuse of the man, but I bought Greatest Hits the other week. Yes, I have read the comments as to it's unrepresentativeness, but, hang on, shock horror. I liked it. More than the Smiths, if I am honest.
I'd be arsed to see him, if that is not an unapplicable turn of phrase.
I'm surprised but pleased to have overturned my prejudice.
On his recent shows
the setlist has been sprinkled with a fair few Smiths tracks - he is clearly playing to fans of a certain age. Slacks and blazers ... http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/morrissey-live
I thought his voice was still great but as you say the band lack the subtlety required to do justice to that older material. I wonder if even Marr could still carry it off though?
The Wilting of the Daffs
It strikes me that all the Eighties acts who have soldiered on lost their bloom many years ago.
Curiously, the same isn't true of the acts who preceded them at the tail end of the Seventies. I gave up on Elvis Costello a long time ago, and I can't be doing with Paul Weller and never could, but I can't say I'm as thoroughly tired of them as I am with their Eighties counterparts. Hell, even Lord Sting of De Doo Doo Doo, irksome though he obviously is, has never quite managed to be as relentlessly boring as your Mozzas, Lennoxes and Bonos.
Greatest Hits Sets.........
He's done them for years.....probably since the Kill Uncle tour and the Bowie support slots...
Everytime I've seen him, the new album tracks are far in the minority to his back catalogue and ever increasing numbers of Smiths songs mullered by Boz Boorer and the gang.
He's an old tart, knows it and plays to the crowd just as much as AC/DC, Springsteen or U2.
Love him, but he's been a heritage act for some time now.
They were excellent when I went to see them
The drummer is incredible, and has brought new dimensions to How Soon is Now and Death of a Disco Dancer.
People have a weird rosy tinted view about how the Smiths were live. They tend to think of the records rather than the live band. The Smiths could be crap live at times, all over the place.
I saw them 2 times
and they were stunning both times. Maybe I got lucky.
I was lucky enough
to see them twice (Albert Hall on the Meat is Murder tour and at the Kilburn National Ballroom on the Queen is Dead tour - what a venue that was by the way) and both times were excellent.
I take
your point Danny about how Morrissey wants his band to sound,however i don't think that the way they play suits his songs.I do disagree about the drummer being incredible though.The band are plodders and the drummer is a leaden tub thumper in my opinion.I could name you quite a few drummers who in my opinion are incredible and he would not be amongst them.Dog faced boy's comment about lightness of touch hits the nail squarely on the head for me.
Off to see him tonight...
... when he play's Hartlepool Borough Hall.
A chance to see someone with the musical history he has, in my home town, is a rare thing indeed (sold out in 3 minutes).
I can see why you've decided not to bother with it all, I went through the same thought process when I went to see The Magnetic Fields at the Cadogan Hall in London. In my case, I knew it was a rare thing for them to play in the UK, and I knew that they would almost never venture to the North-East - so I went for it.
I suppose with Morrissey, the thought is you can see him any time...
Adore the Smiths
soundtrack to my youth, yadda yadda yadda, but if Morrissey was playing in my back garden I would shut the windows and put the sprinklers on.
The intro to This Charming Man should ring. Listen to it above. Iesu Grist. He shouldn't be playing them songs with pub playing clunk artists such as the above, that is an affront to Marr et al.
Maybe that is the spiteful, vengeful point?
Johnny Marr and The Healers Anyone?
Other than Weller and Costello, who else from the 80's is still going strong ploughing their own unique furrow. The one thing Mozza is not is a Heritage act. When touring a new album,it's the whole new album you get-with a few choice solo and Smith tracks thrown in for good measure. At least he doesn't seem to deliberately ignore his early years like the aforementioned Mr Weller.
Whilst the Smiths were undoubtable a sum of all their parts,two are reduced to fan conventions and the third a "gun for hire" unable to live up to his "guitar genius" tag.
Morrissey live is a big,loud,sweaty love-in. Just like the Pope of Mope himself.
or Weller no longer lives
or Weller no longer lives in the past.
Shame that you sold your tickets
Having just seen Morrissey at Great Yarmouth, I can say it was an absolutely fantastic show - even though he was recovering from an illness. He even passed around his microphone to the front row for a quick Q and A.
And I don't understand the slagging his band gets - come of it, they're superb! The last song of the set was explosive.
Next day I snapped up two tickets to see him again at the Troxy next week.
Judging by the pictures, it's a great venue.
The Troxy
is indeed a lovely venue and I'm so glad they are putting more live music there
mozz
I was in LA when he did a week long stint at the Palladium a few years back.
I didn't bother
.
I was going to see him tomorrow night, playing the city hall in Salisbury.
However it's been canceled :(
like every Moz blog ever
we just can't wait to get the "his band is crap" line across the screens of us all. Its quite extraordinary the rush to get those words into the internet somewhere. However, cancelling going to a show because of a 3 minute youtube clip recorded on a phone seems particularly extreme. I can assure all that have not seen him that clip gives no indicator at all about the sound of Morrissey live apart from a general hint that he opens with this charming man.
I remember Bernard Butler grumbling on that Moz was ruining his legacy around the time of quarry and just thought come on BB, you curmudgeon, the man is playing to a sold out Earls Court and fans new and old are enjoying it and that is genuinely all that matters. Its entertainment and it means something to many people, its a positive thing. why shouldn't people who were born after 1980 get to hear these songs live and enjoy it? When you look at the clip above, the crowd are enjoying it, there is clearly atmosphere and the old luv and his band send people home, hoarse, sweaty and smiling. Can we drop the Marr's lightness of touch thing now and just, well, loosen up a little when it comes to Stephen P? rum old cove that he undoubtedly is?
BB
Yeah, McAlmont was sort of redundant after SPMs renaissance?!?
Tho' I accept you may have meant Morrissey was ruining his own rather than BBs legacy...
Hartlepool
I saw him in Hartlepool this week, good show for my money! He mixes the sets up nicely with every tour and there was something for both the collector and the casual listener in there. I thought the band was fine, the thrashier backdrop worked well for what he does now.
Tonight at The Troxy
Is also postponed.