No Musical Express?

I found a copy of Friday's Times at work yesterday and read an interesting piece by former NME writer Stephen Dalton about the diminishing sales of the NME.You may have seen it too.
Although I suspect it may been losing readers for years, I was still quite shocked to learn that the average issue now sells just 64,000. Perhaps this is why, with minutes to spare, before my bus, I rushed into a newsagents last night and bought a copy; the first issue I have bought this year, I used to be a weekly buyer up until a few years ago.
There was of course, nothing of real interest in there, apart from a small piece about Damon Albarn's forthcoming Africa Exprez gig.
Most music fans have their own favourite era of the NME and I have to admit to feeling guilty as being just one of thousands of its former readers.
Even although I'm no longer its top supporters, it would still be strange to think of a world without the print version of the NME wouldn't it? I had similar thoughts when Smash Hits folded and Melody Maker.As Dalton comments, is it better too let is slip away to become a monthly, then nothing apart from in name only online?

Personally speaking...

I wouldn't care a hoot if it folded. In fact, I'd be rather pleased. Today's NME indulges in the worst kind of musical elitism that I abhor, and is connected to the great paper of the 1970s by name only. I am bored stupid of gobby, grubby white boys scratching out fourth-rate riffs on guitars.

Patrick Crowther | 9 March 2008 - 11:37am

I was going to post this...

...I've never hidden my thorough dislike of it, so I personally certainly won't be sorry to see it go if it does. I don't even know anyone who buys it, whereas some friends used to buy it pretty much every week a few years ago. It was also interesting during a university seminar I had last week where I casually mentioned how it annoyed me and surprisingly triggered off a series of similar comments from various others in the room concerning its poor writing and narrow-mindedness (Pete Doherty didn't come off at all well in said debate either!).

Can't really comment on what it was like in the 70s or 80s outside of selected articles I've read, and its bad reputation amongst some musicians I personally admire, but at least one could name the likes of Nick Kent, Charles Shaar Murray et al. even if one doesn't agree with their opinions.

The NME awards I watched for an hour last week made the Brit Awards look like Woodstock or Monterey Pop in terms of diversity. There were various contrived gestures to emphasise how 'rock and roll' it was, which made it even worse.

JJ | 9 March 2008 - 11:52am

The NME stopped being the NME

When it became a 'magazine' rather than a 'music paper'.

But, lest we forget, back in its day it was an essential part of the week.

Hugely opinionated, often unintelligible, but always massively entertaining. Home at one time or another for many of my (and your, or you wouldn't be here) favourite writers.

Nick Kent and Charlie Murray have already been mentioned, but add to that list the following:

Danny Baker
Danny Kelly
Stuart Maconie
Julie Burchill (oh yes)
Tony Parsons
Andy Gill
Paul Du Noyer
Roy Carr
Steve Lamacq
Ian Penman
Paul Morley
Barney Hoskyns
David Quantick
Stuart Cosgrove

...and various members of the Word parish.

The NME's slow death really began with the launch of Q (and then Mojo, Uncut and Word) as the home of in-depth, intelligent music writing became the monthlies rather than the weeklies.

Paul Waring | 9 March 2008 - 12:50pm

Johhny

I did quite used to like Johnny Cigarettes too. I have a CD Rom of him "interviewing" at an awards show a few years, looks totally wasted, but its funny stuff.

David Wright | 9 March 2008 - 8:38pm

Wasted

Just back from the pub and can't type; should read Johnny.

David Wright | 9 March 2008 - 8:39pm

And let us not forget

Mick Farren
There was also Neil Spencer who was a decent music writer but now writes an astrology column for The Observer. If we had emoticons here, I'd have stuck in the one wirth the rolling eyes.

CarlP | 10 March 2008 - 7:44pm

Impressive career path

Very impressive indeed. Up there with David Icke's switch from being the man with the non-league results to becoming the scourge of the reptilian Illuminati, even.

Archie Valparaiso | 10 March 2008 - 7:55pm

It'll be gone within 18 months

Good riddance to it, too. It's a dreadful publication. It was my bible in the 80's and early 90's but the pace at which it has gone downhill is staggering. It's page count is about half of what it was at its height, and this is padded out with posters and half page vox pops on mobile phone ringtones. You only have to look at the letters page to see how far it has fallen. Where it used to feature stimulating debate on musical, social and political matters it has simply descended into "My favourite band is better than yours" juvenile mud slinging.

The last time I actually picked up a copy in a shop and flipped through it was the week that Radiohead announced their pay as much as you want download album. Reading through the article, you could almost hear the editor crapping himself as he realised that his publication was about to miss out on a pre release review on probably the the most important album release in several years as far as his readership were concerned. The album review appeared over a week after the recordings had been officially freely available via the interent to anyone who wanted them. It all looked a bit pathetic, really.

Futurenoir | 9 March 2008 - 4:09pm

Speaking as a publisher...

...there is no more chance of NME being gone in 18 months than of Manchester United doing the same thing. Believe me.

David Hepworth | 9 March 2008 - 5:43pm

Certainly not...

...while there are plans afoot for them to join forces as the New Manchester United Express. Premiership football and weekly music journalism will never be the same again.

backwards7 | 9 March 2008 - 5:54pm

Sir Alex's iPod

It's a concept, Backo, I'll give you that.

Archie Valparaiso | 10 March 2008 - 9:54am

Well I'll trust your judgement on this David

because if anyone knows the magazine publishing caper inside out it's you but I'm baffled as to why you think the NME is so invincible?
We can all think of magazines that were once big beasts in their own particular neck of the cultural woods that petered out because there wasn't really much point in them being around anymore.
If the NME was run over by a bus tomorrow would it matter much? I'm sure some bright spark would soon be knocking up a comprehensive online gig guide. Those with a raging thirst for knowledge about what happened on the Scandinavian leg of Scouting For Girls' European tour could probably get what they're after from the band's daily "blog" (can't speak from experience but I imagine they have one). If punters were clamouring for some sort of awards show (and subsequent showcase tour of the various branches of Spunkbridge University plc) for "bands that sound a bit like The Arctic Monkeys", I'm sure Radio 1 could step into the breach and do the honours, sponsored by an alcopops or mobile phone outfit eager to get their hands on some of that student loan loot.
We all know the NME‘s history and pedigree. But a good rule of thumb with magazines is: "if it didn't already exist would you launch it in its current form?" I don't really think NME passes that test.
Mind you what do I know? I still have to pinch myself every time I walk into a newsagents and see that the Daily Express hasn't rolled over and died yet. Those last legs of theirs are obviously sturdier than we imagined. Perhaps the NME's will be too.

p.s. as far as the Manchester United analogy goes, don't forget that within six years of winning the European Cup in 1968 they were relegated. Times change.

Richard Lowe | 10 March 2008 - 10:10am

Between its print version..

...its website, its advertising and its various other sponsor friendly activities I would guess that NME makes a healthy old fashioned profit.

David Hepworth | 10 March 2008 - 11:06am

That's terrible

That‘s like ... capitalism. Thats so The Man ripping off the kids. I think Razorlight should write a song about it.

Richard Lowe | 10 March 2008 - 11:51am

I think..

..they already have, haven't they?

Futurenoir | 10 March 2008 - 9:32pm

...

The amazing thing is that considering it sells only 64,000, it's so readily available everywhere. You can get it in my local Tesco Express, the tiny kiosk at Fenchurch Street etc etc. They must have a lot of returned copies or have 64,000 outlets all selling 1 copy each.

I never really had an NME phase, I've always bought the albums of the year one at Xmas time. But that's because I'm a total sucker for lists. I guess I started buying Select, Vox and then Q when I was about 12 so never really had any need for the NME. I guess the glory days were already gone when I came of age (1994-ish.)

I guess there will be a couple more rebrandings to go before the death knell. (A la Top of the Pops.)

Paul Chandler | 9 March 2008 - 5:44pm

I love it

At least I did from 1971 up until about 1977 when it wagged its finger in my face or, more likely, spat at me, to attract my attention so it could tell me that everything it had been telling me for years was so wrong as to be almost criminal. Not that any of it was their fault. There's no point getting wound up about the NME, it speaks to you up until a certain age and then it's time, when you realise you no longer have anything in common, to bid farewell to childish things. Long may it continue.

Philip Bryer | 9 March 2008 - 8:03pm

What A Waste

Just finished "reading" the copy I bought yesterday. I agree the letters page is terrible.The N.M.E does still have some uses though; I need some wrapping paper, so may use if for that, or my father needs some paper to make up the coal fire in the morning.

David Wright | 9 March 2008 - 8:32pm

Alternative Uses

The manager of, I think, The Darkness, was asked what one thing she'd add to the NME to improve it.

Her answer? Aloe Vera.

Fraser Lewry | 9 March 2008 - 8:50pm

Light My Fire

It doesn't even burn well, can't get the fire going tonight. Will throw on some of the latest issues of Q too. It's thin pages should burn up a treat!

David Wright | 10 March 2008 - 9:32pm

1001 Uses!

I last bought NME when it had a free White Stripes vinyl. The mag itself lined my cat's litter tray a treat. I think the poor moggy was a bit put out by Beth Ditto peering up at his nethers, though...

CrawtonLeek | 11 March 2008 - 1:02pm

Media Studies

Readers may feel further depressed by the fact that as a GCSE Media Studies teacher, I set an assignment on NME for my 14 / 15 year old students. Most haven't ever read a copy of NME until I bring some into class. Most gravitate towards Kerrang! or (the much underrated lol ) Metal Hammer.
As I gently reminisce about "The Good Old Days" of Danny Baker and Julie and Tony, I can hear the sounds of snoring coming from the back of the classroom.

For those of an academic bent, the topics of discussion on a GCSE course assignment about the Music Press are: the falling sales of print newspapers / magazines; the rise of the music press website and the use of other "platforms" to get your music fix and the availability of "music news" in most popular newspapers these days.
Mr. Hepworth may be interested to know that I am about to use this month's article about the market positioning on The Word in class. Where do you put it on the shelves at WHSmith?

Toodle pip.

MrPuss | 10 March 2008 - 9:23am

In the general scheme of things

NME certainly isn't on it's death bed. While it has lost the largest share of readers in the music magazine sector, it seems to be part of a general downturn. 64,000 isn't really all that bad - especially when you consider that they sell that amount every week giving them a monthly sales of 256,000 - almost double what Q sell each month.

In terms of quality, I reckon it has lost the plot. But that's exactly what my elders were telling me about the NME I used to buy in the late 80s / early 90s. To my eyes it looks dreadful... More style than substance (and even the style isn't that impressive). The last issue I bought was the Morrisey crucifixion issue - the first time I had read it for about 4 years. The quality of the writing has more in common with the Sun than it does with the old NME, but it makes no difference to me whether it survives or not. I'm sure it will though.

ManScared | 10 March 2008 - 10:22am

The Morrissey debacle...

...that certainly, if briefly, boosted their flagging reputation and, I suspect, the sales figures. I did enjoy the riposte he wrote for the Guardian, though, where he (very accurately) slammed the interview style of being of the 'got pissed last night, ha ha' variety.

JJ | 10 March 2008 - 3:06pm

I haven't read it for years

....but I was an avid reader in the 70s and early 80s - post - punk killed it for me.

There were loads of great writers - I used to love Brian Case on pretty much anything, Ian MacDonald - another excellent writer - and a Nick Kent lookalike called Pete Erskine who was a big Little Feat fan who I think came to a sad end - drugs, prison etc - anyone know what happened to him?

Twangothan | 10 March 2008 - 5:57pm

Monty Smith!

He loved The Darts and was suitably unimpressed by punk & post-punk. Wrote like a dream. Last seen doing 50-word film reviews in The Mirror. I vaguely remember he took Ian Penman under his wing when the latter got too fond of the sauce; it seemed an unlikely pairing at the time. Max Bell could also turn a phrase.

johnsey | 11 March 2008 - 10:24am

My era was the early eighties to the nineties

Those who also served;

Biba Kopf (crazy name, crazy guy!)
James Brown (not that one)
Susan Williams/Steven Wells
David Quantick
Barbara Ellen

And does anyone remember those great little cassettes they gave away around that time? If anyone has a MP3 version of the one with Billy Bragg doing 'Fear Is A Man's Best Friend', and a Scottish group doing a great version of 'Little Red Rooster' I'd be most grateful etc, etc, etc...

Producer Matt | 10 March 2008 - 9:47pm

C81 & C86

Not sure about the one you're after but these two are knocking around here and here. Some great stuff on these.

PaulHThompson | 11 March 2008 - 1:12am

Was always more of a Melody Maker boy...

...and thought NME was read by oiks.

Con_Coleman | 11 March 2008 - 1:13pm

MM...

...was strictly for jazzers, surely?

Philip Bryer | 11 March 2008 - 10:04pm

When it was tops...

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''The fashionista guard threw it from the rooftops...,''

and than

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I felt compelled to wizz in the editor's tea.

Liam Hatchet | 11 March 2008 - 2:58pm

Those two covers tell a story....

the first - brilliantly designed, incredibly striking black and white cover photograph, cool graphics, sets an agenda for the paper that says "We are different".

the second - looks like it was put together by a fifth form art and design student in a lunchbreak, no class, no style, no agenda.

Patrick Crowther | 11 March 2008 - 3:48pm

I started buying NME and Melody Maker...

...in 1995, and at that point I thought Melody Maker was better. But I've since realised that lots of the best NME writers (Collins, Maconie and Quantick in particular) had jumped ship the previous year. Every now and then I'll find a copy of the NME from between 1988 and 1993 in a second hand record shop, and they're always pure gold. It was always so funny.

Earlier I had a look at NME.com and was delighted to see that in response to a poor review of the new Young Knives album, some disgruntled fan has written a variation on the age-old NME staple "was the writer of this article listening to the same record as me?" Just knowing that such comments still feature in NME in some way is like knowing that - even though I will never listen to it again - The Archers is still on Radio 4...

Ciarán Gaynor McCoy | 11 March 2008 - 2:53pm

That review...

...I believe ended up in what could be called a fracas backstage at the NME awards between The Young Knives' manager and writer of said review. It resulted in, ahem, a broken finger...

JJ | 11 March 2008 - 3:44pm

It won't die... yet!

A weekly circulation of 64,000 with a cover price of £2.10? IPC are laughing all the way to the bank. They've also aggressively marketed the 'NME' brand, and produce a new, bright, shiny product that new generations of 'ver kids' will maybe buy.

Never mind that's there's no quality writing therein, or that they mostly cover interchangeable indie-schmindie bands like Razor Party or Bloclight for white, middle-class teenagers, it's all about continually reinventing themselves and attracting new and younger readers to keep things going.

I work in provincial daily newspapers, where the great unspoken worry is how older readers are dying off while younger generations just aren't taking their place. Don't be fooled by all those swish websites, they contain all the top stories for free and don't make much advertising money at all for newspapers. It's plain that within 20 years local newspapers as we know them will have gone the way of post offices or old-style British passports.

At least IPC are trying something to keep a traditional form of media going well into the 21st century at a time when the brands of my youth are dying left, right and centre.

Any popular form of media which lasts into a fifth decade is never going to remain relevant forever; be it NME, Radio 1 or Top of the Pops the one phrase you'll always hear is: "It's not as good as it was." I'm sure if this was a thread about Last of the Summer Wine, there'd be someone moaning: "It was never the same once Michael Bates left in 1975..."

honestman | 12 March 2008 - 2:51pm

Wine On

"It was never the same once Michael Bates left in 1975..."

David Wright | 13 March 2008 - 9:40am

i suspect you are right... for the moment

... in that as long as the NME brand keeps making enough profit for IPC via its various revenue streams, the mag will still be there. The minute it's no longer profitable, the future of the title will be "under consideration". Might be a while yet, I reckon.

Mind you, I've not read NME for at least ten years, and it was already approaching awful by 1998. It WAS a must-read in the punk era, though, and it was always a dicey decision whether to spend my teenage pocket money on NME or Sounds, back in the day.

PhilC | 12 March 2008 - 3:12pm

Stopped buying Sounds...

When it started championing the Oi! movement.

As well containing nothing at all of musical merit (only ROMO came close for utter worthlessness), it veered far too close to the right wing/NF politics of the day for my liking. Garry Bushell was the main plugger of the movement if memory serves.

Nodge1970 | 12 March 2008 - 3:44pm

No NME?

Along with John Peel, and my older brother, the NME was a huge influence on me in so many ways than simply music. Every Thursday, from around 1972, I'd spend everything I had on NME, Melody Maker and Sounds. I'd get narky if I couldn't get a copy of the NME, such was the addictive qualities of their writers.
During '75 -'78 it was an essential part of my week, but began wane in the late '80s, and by then I was buying it out of loyalty more than anything else for the next few years.
And then that punk attitude I had imbued from the NME in 76 took over. I asked myself, if this magazine was a band would I still be buying their cds if they were as crap and as pale an imitation of themselves as this? Am I just being a completist? No and Yes to those questions, so I stopped buying it about at some point in the 1990s.
I'm now 50 and wonder if I was taken back in time, would i find the NME of my youth more interested in being part of a marketing campaign than a music paper that sought to inform and entertain? At the risk of sounding like another 50 year old telling everyone that things were better in their day, I'd say today's NME is pretty crap and maybe its reached the end of its life. Let it die and we'll mark its passing.
Just as we will with The Word (ho ho ho)
Dougie

Dougie | 12 March 2008 - 8:53pm

Valid points

The music business in the 70's and through to maybe the late 80's wasn't as organised as it is now.
The NME, when I read it from around 1972 through to 1985, reflected the tastes of the writers and not the marketing department. I haven't read a copy since the mid 80's. Part of me would hate to see it disappear simply because of the nostalgic aspect, but realistically if it folded I clearly wouldn't notice and so wouldn't care.
These days I'm far more concerned at the demise of No Depression.

CarlP | 13 March 2008 - 12:02am

Of course NME wasn't what it was...

In the massively changed music journalism environment, it's had to find itself a new niche. Which it has done so.

I'd much rather buy a copy of the 'old' NME than the 'new' NME, but then I'd much rather buy a copy of The Word than either the new or the old NME. So why should it worry me?

The NME is great for 'ver kids' as a bright, entertaining first step into the world of rock journalism. From there they'll quickly step up into the world of 'serious' music mags like The Word, and the wonderful world of online mucic journalism.

Fine. NME has its niche, for sure its a smaller niche than it used to have, but the kids that read it, like it. Job done.

nick | 13 March 2008 - 4:40am

begone begone begone

NME used to have an attitude- this was a GOOD thing. Now it just has an attitude problem- this is a BAD thing. Worse- it doesnt know the difference which I think is half the problem. It used to have light and shade, subtlety and quality. Now it just SHOUTS AT YOU ABOUT HOW COOL IT IS AND HOW OLD YOU ARE!!!!!!!

Its like Smash Hits without the sense of fun, Kerrang with short hair and mistakes sneering for opinion and bluster for erudition.

Actually this is a sad tale and not one we should celebrate as NME has played a central and important role in the music history of this country but now it is a shambling irrelevant wreck. The fact that Morrissey still gives it the time of day only underscores my points.....

MatDavies | 13 March 2008 - 10:04pm

NME

I was sad when Melody Maker folded. But the NME? I guess I am the sort of age market that it really tries and pitches to now, but I wouldn't read it in a million years now, I stopped reading it two years ago, when I used to be an avid reader. The way it is set out is just terrible, you can't read it. It's garish and it's awful.I feel that the range of music which it covers is woefully inadequate now aswell, it seems that if something isn't 'trendy' then they don't bother. As I said, I havn't brought it in two years, apart from when they had the White Stripes 7" giveaway, and if I could have gotten that another way I surely would.

Joanna | 15 March 2008 - 1:17am