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New Word Issue Arrived today... Meh.

BernkastelCues's picture

Used to be an immediate cover to cover read for me. I've even been known to take the day off so that I'm not disturbed.

I start at the back with the "True or False", move thru letters, film and book reviews, catch up with what our journalist friends have been doing, then set full sail across the inerviews, features and coumnists, heading for safe harbour with Mr Ellen via the 20 best/worst.

Usually something always waylays my attention. This time, hmmmmmm. All a bit disinteresting for me - although I did laugh out loud at the descriptions of the various codpiece and sandals TV dramas currently on screen. "Jupiters Cock!" indeed. (And a topless picture of Xena thrown in gratis. Result.)

Thing is, I've been a bit the same for the last few issues. I'm starting to be reminded of a previous periodical relationship(with "Q" if you must know), when - rather like a girl you've been with for too long - you realise thre is nothing really in it that excites you andyour only doing it out of habit.

I think for most magazines there is a finite period when whoever is writing it is approximately sympatico, in terms of music, books, films, politics, views that interest them, with your own. Then you can't wait for the next issue to come out. When one or the other changes then it's only a matter of time before politeness gives way and you have to move on.

I'm genuinely concerned this may be the case for me with Word. I really have enjoyed it up to now. Anyonr else feel the same?

PS: Still think the Podcast is great.

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If it was my magazine...

and I read that

I'd feel a bit p'd off

I'd be thinking.....'Good for you'...'we worked bloody hard on that issue to just be dismissed as 'all a bit disinteresting for me'..'

and ultimately 'bugger off then' coupled with a DELETE_POST command

But its not

However wouldn't it be better to be constructive? - ie Perhaps a refresh of content/approach in certain areas might be even better..."This would be good" or "..that piece might have worked better if it was like this..."

Rather than invite people to come and say they also are a bit tired of it all....

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tim tunes | 12 July 2011 - 8:29am

Listen to your customers

All good businesses listen to their customers, assuming they can establish a dialogue with them in the first place. I expect seasoned pros like Ellen, Hepworth will be interested in what comes out of this thread, if anything, but with professional interest rather than an emotional response. Most customer facing businesses would give their eye teeth for a constant source of customer feedback like this.

Back to the OP, I usually buy but had my bad moment when there was a rush of crap TV articles culminating with "Best game show presenters" . Sorry, not interested. Then you get CSM's Rory piece which is the best music writing I've read for ages. Since Word decided it isn't a music mag and more a popular culture mag I am sort of less in love with it. I can get that stuff from the Sunday papers. I like long, well written pieces which get into some depth and centred on music or the music biz. Don't care for fluff about rubbish on TV/slebs etc.

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Twangothan | 12 July 2011 - 8:52am

Twangothan, I agree with just about

everything you say there, although I thought the move to more popular culture content was a good thing. Broadening the frame of reference out wider than just music captured more of my interest, and enhanced the feeling that Word represented something I could identify with beyond a shared liking liking for Jazz/Folk/Prog.

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BernkastelCues | 12 July 2011 - 9:09am

when the music mag of the year tagline

was displayed you'd think there was an obligation to overwhelmingly be a music mag

The change has been made c'est la vie

For mine i often enjoy the quality of writing , the elegance of expression. Heppers especially. Yes you can get it elsewhere but not often on popular culture topics ( cue flood of links to mags that do just this)

For mine 2, I do not like the TV stuff. It's been discussed here before but a lot of that TV stuff just doesn't make it down my way( Oz) unless on cable some years hence or via dodgy downloads which I'd rather devote to other things-...erm..sorry that should have read ..which I simply can't abide by.

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Junior Wells | 12 July 2011 - 9:54am

On the other hand

I always enjoy the popular culture stuff.

For example, David Hepworth's You Couldn't Make It Up feature in issue #99 was a staggeringly good piece of writing.

Reading it, I got exactly the same "shit, I wish I could do that" feeling I get from watching a great musician at work.

And there are always at least a handful of similar examples of craftsmanship in every issue.

What's not to like?

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mojoworking | 12 July 2011 - 9:22am

Word, for me, has never been a just music mag.

Forgive me if I have this wrong, but I remember, back in the day a Word tagline about it being all about music, films, books, DVDs? Don't I?

Either way, those are among the finer things in life, and I wrote a response at the time that became a web banner, "about time."

Instead, I worry when it gets too muso. To each his own, I suppose.

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Dadwardo | 12 July 2011 - 9:33am

Sure

I am the problem here. I am totally inconsistent on this. I too like to see books, DVDs, films etc. But I want to read about good ones, not TV game show presenters, unfunny comedians or "The Human Centipede". It's impossible to keep people like me happy. So I have a look when it comes out and buy it if I fancy it. This is why I don't subscribe though. I want to be sure of the consistency of the product before I cough up before I see it.

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Twangothan | 12 July 2011 - 10:06am

Another "browse-before-buy-er" here.

I started with Word at issue 1, and was a real proselytiser for a good while afterwards. Couldn't wait for each new issue to appear on the shelves, then bought it on sight. Was responsible for quite a few converts, too.

I loved the balance between music, books, and other cultural cornerstones. Then it changed. Subtly, but surely, it was no longer the magazine I loved.

Over the past couple of years, it seems to have gradually lost the substance, the sparkle, it once had, for this reader, at least (though I know lots of you still love it). I now leave more issues on the shelf than I buy. I wish I still had some of the earlier editions, to see whether it's the magazine that has changed, or me. But I'm hoping, one day, to be dazzled once again.

This is why I never subscribe to any magazine or newspaper - you've got to woo me, every issue, if you want my cash.

I should qualify my "never subscribe" comment, though. I did subscribe to Q for a year after issue 1. Never did get the promised Bruce Springsteen biography, though!

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geebee | 12 July 2011 - 1:23pm

Best customer/worst customer interface

I was told years ago that your worst, most gobby, pain in the arse customer is, in fact your best as they are the ones who give you stick for the cock-ups and things they generally don't like but who still use your services.

What should be avoided is those customers who just drift away but you don't know why and so can't put things right for them.

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el toro calvo grande | 12 July 2011 - 9:43am

Indeed

Good companies really analyse complaints and make it easy for customers to complain as a way of knowing what's really happening out there.

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Twangothan | 12 July 2011 - 10:07am

But the customer isn't always right

I was having an exchange with the editor of a different magazine completely and banged on that much as I'd enjoyed a particular series of articles when it had started it had been going on a while now, had got dull, and I just skipped over it every issue.

"It's the article I get the most letters of thanks about" he replied.

So I shut up.

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Slick | 12 July 2011 - 1:35pm

I agree

The point is not that you have to agree with them, just that you understand what they think and want. You can chose to ignore customer's views though this may turn out to be a short term strategy unless there are a whole lot of customers who do agree with you.

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Twangothan | 13 July 2011 - 5:34am

'with professional interest

'with professional interest rather than an emotional response' - you're probably right, but I think you'd have to be pretty thick skinned not to be a bit upset by that'meh'. I know they're charging £4.90 a pop, but imagine if Hepworth and Ellen baked you a cake and your response was 'meh' - The Word is quite obviously a labour of love as well as a commercial enterprise and I think any regular reader would realise the somewhat personal nature of the endeavour. There's ways of providing valuable feedback without the rather nasty whiff of disdain. It's not as though The Word is run by evil press barons that desrve everything they get is it?

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Andy Lynes | 12 July 2011 - 11:49am

" It's not as though The Word is run by evil press barons"

that's what they want you to think, maaaaannn. Has the past week taught you nothing about the evil printed press? Damn you Caxton!!!

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DogFacedBoy | 12 July 2011 - 12:01pm

The Word

The staff are probably thicker-skinned than you give them credit for. The OP is as entitled to air his opinion as David Hepworth is to criticise The Fall or Mark Ellen to dismiss Howard Marks.

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Spartacus Mills | 12 July 2011 - 12:07pm

Wouldn't have thought "Meh" would get me up with Oscar Wilde

In the withering Bon Mots stakes. But If I've made anyone cry I apologise profusely.

Perhaps a wee bitty too precious about the magazine I'd say.

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BernkastelCues | 12 July 2011 - 12:17pm

Not arguing about the right

Not arguing about the right to air opinion - the internet must be formed of about 90% opinion - just saying that it's worth thinking about how that opinion is aired given that The Word is not produced by a faceles conglomerate but a small dedicated team.

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Andy Lynes | 12 July 2011 - 12:24pm

It doesn't matter

Whether The Word is produced by a small team, or a larger team working for Big Evil Inc. Criticism always has the power to upset someone, and those in the biz have probably learned to take the rough with the smooth. If the staff want praise for The Word, they'll find plenty of it on this thread and elsewhere on the blog. The fact that there's an occasional dissenting voice is probably healthy.

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Spartacus Mills | 12 July 2011 - 12:28pm

Presumably Word provides what the public wants

but I would prefer the Word gave less space to comedians, DJs and TV shows, and more to music. I listen to music: I'm not British and I don't watch TV. I still get it for the CDs, but have less interest in the content these days.

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wellhamsrus | 17 July 2011 - 7:52pm

Fraser Lewry touched on this issue in another post

One of the reasons we have this website is to get feedback, and we really don't mind which way it goes - positive or negative - as long as it's reasonably well-considered.

(while I'm here, I'll just say that I still really love the magazine. It actually made me happy to see it arrive yesterday)

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Hannah | 12 July 2011 - 12:46pm

You wouldn't believe

how hard we all had to work to make sure you got it on your birthday!

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Martin Simmonds | 12 July 2011 - 1:51pm

Well, I certainly appreciated it!

It was happily nestled in with my bday cards :-D

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Hannah | 12 July 2011 - 4:11pm

Well I'm Not

Tired of it all, that is. The previous issue didn't grab me as much as some others but this one has been devoured pretty much cover-to-cover. I skipped Suede, Fountains of Wayne and Stewart Lee (might read the Lee piece now that I've noticed his musical tastes include free jazz and trad. folk though). I've never "got" Suede and the start of that piece didn't grab my attention, especially after the excellent TMBG piece, so I fast-forwarded to the Last Word section. Might read about FoW's album later, if the mood takes me. Jude Rogers' reviews/interviews are generally pretty good reads.

Actually, I suspect mood has quite a bit to do with my enjoyment of magazines. Sometimes I find it a struggle to get into reading anything and if that mood coincides with a new Word arriving in my postbox I might not find it so pleasurable as other issues at other times.

Still to read: Review of Kaitlin Moran's book, The Massive Attacks, First Person, Inbox and 99% True.

A pretty satisfying issue, thank you.

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Mike_H | 16 July 2011 - 9:22am

Au Contraire.

If there were to be one issue sealed in a time capsule and dug up in a century's time to explain what print media used to be like at it's best, it would be this issue. Whether some of the articles serendipitously reflect the concerns of The Word bloggerati or whether the blog itself has been seeded in advance*, there are any number of splendid features, not least Francis Wheen's, which is a textbook example of writing to commission. Like the last series of Dr. Who, I simply don't want it to end. I rarely bother with the podcast these days btw.

*I know, it's hardly NI around here, is it?

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skirky | 12 July 2011 - 8:33am

Have you really

taken the day off work to read a magazine?

If true I can't decide if that's sad or weird.

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mojoworking | 12 July 2011 - 8:38am

I have I'm afraid, but I'm self employed

and a bit lazy. Fortunately I can do that. I also do it for..

Hangovers
"Mutiny on the Buses" on the telly
Paisley Beer Festival (see above)
Book publications
Gallery shows
Off the cuff hillwalking (if the weathers especially good)
Wife induced DIY and decorating

and so on. I'm not proud of it, but after 35 years I regard myself as semi retired and bridle against spending too much time "workin for the man"

Self indulgent maybe, but thats what us baby boomers do. But sad or weird? I'm hurt.

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BernkastelCues | 12 July 2011 - 8:48am

No offence

I'm a baby boomer too, but clearly lack your devil may care, hedonistic approach to life.

Besides, I can read the magazine while I'm at work.

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mojoworking | 12 July 2011 - 8:54am

Peach and love Mojoworking.

Peace and love. I actually work from home, so "taking time off" is a bit notional anyway.

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BernkastelCues | 12 July 2011 - 8:57am

I'm glad

we've cleared that up.

And, er, you're not Ringo, are you? If so, any chance of an autograph?

Thought not (insert smiley thing here)

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mojoworking | 12 July 2011 - 9:52am

Unfortunately not the ex Rory Storm sticksman

Mores the pity. Not even that good looking.

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BernkastelCues | 12 July 2011 - 10:16am

is 1962 baby boom still

If so, I'm in. But I'm still working for the bank manager. Apparently he wants his money back. And I've spent it.
Mind you have I have only been working for 23 years (10 for the man and 13 for myself).

Wish i could be semi-retired. Instead I was up before 6 to write stuff so that I can go to Latitude tomorrow. Ho hum. I have not lived my life well.

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paulwright | 13 July 2011 - 6:56am

Sorry

you're Generation X, so take your Billy Idol LPs and get out of town! (insert smiley thing here - is it still OK to do that?)

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mojoworking | 13 July 2011 - 7:04am

Think your being a wee bit touchy my man..

Tim Tunes: Having read my stream of conciousness post again I can't see that I'm actually critical of anything in this months issue or the magazine in general. Just that I'm starting to feel out of phase with the current direction of the content. And that is sad, cos I can see from previous experience where this goes.

I wouldn't presume to offer advice on content, cos I genuinely believe the editorial team don't write it aiming for a particular audience, they write it largely for themselves. I suspect thats why they all eventually left their previously highly paid posts on other publications and took the risk of starting Word.

Your not one of the team are you? No offence if so, but steady on.

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BernkastelCues | 12 July 2011 - 8:51am

Meh

Occasionally I'll flick through an issue and have nothing jump out at me. And that's with all mags I read regularly (WSC, Motor Sport...etc), not just The Word. You can't please everyone all of the time, I guess.

I still find if I read it all, there's always a few things that make it worthwhile.

This issue has been great so far, containing pieces on Stewart Lee and Suede, both of whom I really like.

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Spartacus Mills | 12 July 2011 - 8:44am

Like minds

I get quite a few magazines, I'd be surprised if I read any cover to cover, I'd say most mags I'll read 40-50% of the content.

To me, that's ok, I don't expect any mag to just write about things I already like, how would I find new stuff? I suppose the one mag I'm most guilty of skimming only is Intelligent Life, the bits I do read in that however tend to knock spots off most other magazine writing, I'm just not interested in fashion/golf/cooking so vast swathes of it go unread. Similarly with the Word this month I couldn't care less about TV, Suede, Clarence Clemens or electronic sounds in music - so I'll probably (note "probably") not read those pages. However, Hepworth & Bentleys I've bookmarked for my glass of whisky tonight, Stewart Lee, Andy Kershaw, etc.

There's also WSC, 442, British Birds, Record Collector and Outdoor Photography waiting...

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Neil Dyson | 13 July 2011 - 8:28am

Put down the whisky Neil

when reading the Bentleys bit. My first thoughts were WTF are Bentleys doing in T'Word but the audacity of the exercise and the fine wordsmithery had me LOL-ing (I think that's what the kids say).

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Beany | 13 July 2011 - 8:49am

Yeah, flicked through this

in less than five minutes. Took six minutes last issue.

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eddie g | 12 July 2011 - 8:46am

I flicked through it in 20 seconds

c'mon we really wanna see those fingers.

Articles on Mayo n Kermode, Ivor Cutler, Meltdown Festival They Might be Giants, Stewart Lee....have you been hacking my phone?

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DogFacedBoy | 12 July 2011 - 10:58am

thought last 2 were excellent

re read the one with keef interview a number of times

i hope it keeps the standard and that my interests remain in synch as I've just re-subscribed for 3 years.

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Junior Wells | 12 July 2011 - 9:45am

I agree with the OP...

that it's possible to fall out of love with a magazine. I had the NME delivered well into my 40s and I frequently didn't open the cover. My loyalty was down to the fond memories I had of the magazine in it's heyday of the 1970s. I also stuck with Q and Mojo much longer than I should have done. There are only so many Oasis (Q) and Beatles (Mojo) articles a chap can read.

There are issues of the Word that don't tickle my fancy as much as others. But I always find something interesting to read, there's always something new to discover and it's one of the main ways I have of finding what new music I might like. At the heart of my relationship with the Word is the feeling that they like the same sort of stuff as me and are writing the magazine for me. I never got that feeling with Q and Mojo.

Maybe it is the time for you to move on BernkastelCues. Call it a day, and pop back in a few months and see whether you feel any different.

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Handsome.P.Wonderful | 12 July 2011 - 11:43am

Au contraire 2

My habit is to read the magazine before chasing the zeds at bedtime. Starting at page one and moving slowly to, er, the end. Even when skipping quickly through the reviews I could make it last for weeks. I want to savour it.

Recently, like a gripping blockbuster, I've not been able to constrain my urges to one or two pages and I'm through it and eager for more within a week. Last night I went straight to Gavin's piece on Ivor Cutler. A fascinating insight into a fan's obsession with a true eccentric and beautifully written. I don't imagine I could find that article written anywhere else, except on this blog.

Encore Word.

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Beany | 12 July 2011 - 10:00am

Topless picture of Xena?

Takes day off (cancels two supplier meetings and two interviews in the process).

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Leedsboy | 12 July 2011 - 9:58am

Most things have a life span

I bought every issue of Rolling Stone from 1984 - 1990; I did some uni work on it and ended the love affair. Everybody I spoke to about the felt that the magazine had changed not that they had changed. Each new reader feels that at some stage the magazine lost 'it'. I felt that the Rolling Stone became a bit porn lite around the time of the infamous Janet Jackson cover. I had to keep putting it down.

Q had a fab Dylan issue in around 1989 and then I bought it regularly until Mojo emerged in 1992. I never bought Q again. Bought Musician 1989 - 1995 (loved that magazine - subscribed!) but then I found exactly that I was no longer inspired to read it. When I found Word in 2005 I loved everything about it; especially the stuff on the digital revolution. I admired and still do the whole package which successfully creates an entire sense of community and incorporates this whole organic approach. I find it to be one of the most interesting and successful attempts to create an online community that I have seen. The thing is alive.

Personally, though, my musical interests are moving towards Baroque. I love Telemann and am really only just discovering Bach. No idea what I am doing. Would love to see an article about "classical" music in a popular music culture mag like Word which explored an even more silenced musical form from the point of view of beginners who are familiar with other musical forms. Eventually I will go looking for such articles. I am a consumer.

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everygoodboydes... | 12 July 2011 - 10:13am

Thats a good point, (Classical music articles)

One of the major things about Word for me - I think somebody touched on it on an earlier post- is that it helped to introduce me to new artists and music.

One of the things I've identified as causing me current ennui, is that the new artists and music all seem to be a bit samey. From within a pretty narrow rock/folk/guitar/various keyboards spectrum.

Remembering that a fair number of Words constituency is baby boomer, most of us have probably seen/heard all the rockular genre popular music we need. For example: Eels and Flaming Lips are two (relatively) new bands championed in Word in the last few yeats. Now, I'm absolutely sure their splendid, and offer no critisism of them or anyone who really likes them. But I just thoyght "nah, heard most of it in other places before in my 40 odd years of soaking up western popular music"

However, I remember hearing Fraser Lewry talk on a Podcast about some South American throat singing thingy he attended and thinking "Thats new,I wouldn't mind hearing that". Similarly with Jazz and classical, or other forms, such as African music. Why not dip our collective toes a bit more into those murky waters? Stuff were we're maybe not sure whats going on, what the references are and whats gonny happen next?

I'm not saying lets turn Word into Classic FM magazine, but perhaps something a bit broader to tickle our (or mibbees just my) jaded musical pallette.

Sigh...

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BernkastelCues | 12 July 2011 - 10:30am

I agree

I posted a review of the Sixteen's latest choral album Allegri's Miserere / Palestrina's Missa Papae Marcelli last month, and I was surprised by the positive response I got from some of the Massive. There is a constituency within the Massive that likes good, modern classical music (if that's not a contradiction in terms). I, for one, would welcome the toe being dipped, occasionally, in the classical music waters.

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Handsome.P.Wonderful | 12 July 2011 - 10:42am

Hey I have that one too

I love polyphony...

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BigJimBob | 12 July 2011 - 11:14am

Polyphony

TMFTL (or perhaps 40 more from them later). Wouldn't mind more classical, more jazz, but I think I accept that I buy the mag nowadays as a way of paying for my share of the bigger Word package. If the podcast app is monetised I'd choose that if budget forced me to choose. I've cancelled magazines as excellent as Prospect, Air and Space, Glimmer Train, Coevolution Quarterly/Whole Earth Review and the New York Review of Books so they shouldn't feel too miffed ;-)

Right now, if I had an iPhone/Pod (and I'd put the right laptop on the hotel wifi) I'd have a choice of 2 podcasts for a forthcoming flight.
Without iPod I'd have one. A 1st world problem, for sure, but these things mount up eventually.

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SpaceBoy | 16 July 2011 - 5:49am

So

an occasional "Dip Your Toes" section exploring, without stuffiness or undue reverence, the more off-centre stuff. I'd certainly be up for that.
Just a few semi-regular pages and the very occasional big splash-out obviously, else the traditional pop-ists and rock-ists would probably leave in droves and Mark, David etc. do have livings to earn after all.

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Mike_H | 16 July 2011 - 9:38am

I certainly

wouldn't want more reverence shown to Mahler, Bach, Finzi, ... etc than, say, Richard Thompson OBE.

But then again, some days perhaps I would ;-).

This made me laugh though:

Liam Gallagher of the ploddingly predictable Oasis once complained in an interview that Britain had never produced a truly great guitarist. We can only hope that the award of an OBE to the legendary Richard Thompson will help highlight the fallacy of that statement.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/arts-and-culture/night-and-day/6586998/music-...

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SpaceBoy | 23 July 2011 - 1:10am

Relatively new

The Eels debut was 1996, The Flaming Lips put their first EP out in 1986!

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Dr Volume | 12 July 2011 - 11:25am

Double post

Sorry!

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Dr Volume | 12 July 2011 - 11:29am

Or if you want to get really geeky

Mark Oliver Everett aka E pressed up his 'Bad Dude In Love' record in 1985. Or released first of his pre Eels solo albums in 1992.

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DogFacedBoy | 12 July 2011 - 11:51am

Relatively new championing in Word

I could say..

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BernkastelCues | 12 July 2011 - 12:01pm

The

lazy gits! :-)

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DogFacedBoy | 12 July 2011 - 12:03pm

Fair enough

As for Jazz, Classical, throat singing and so forth I suppose you could try The Wire magazine but it's a rather dry, humourless read and takes itself far too seriously.

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Dr Volume | 12 July 2011 - 1:36pm

More Prog!

Sorry. Did I say that out loud? No way I'm going to fork out £100 for a copy of Classic Rock Presents Prog (or whatever extortionate amount it costs).

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Beany | 12 July 2011 - 5:33pm

Agreed: The Wire and also Songlines.

I subscribed to The Wire for a couple of years and, apart from the occasional CDs found it much too far up it's own arse. Most content was far too analytical and I just got bored into unsubscribing, really.

Songlines covers World and Folk pretty well but is too reverent and posh. I subscribe but don't read it much, just get it for the CDs really.
Global Rhythm was a pretty good American "World Music" mag which used to get pleasantly political and bolshy from time-to-time but it's no longer published, unfortunately.

M*j* is dull, lately. I may well unsubscribe. Un**t has it's moments. There have been a couple of good lead articles recently. I buy it if the lead article and/or cover CD catch my fancy. I'm a Word subscriber and will remain so unless they seriously fuck it up or get boring.

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Mike_H | 16 July 2011 - 9:55am

Christ Jesus, The Wire...

...is like mogadon in printed form. A magazine-shaped benzodiazepine. Fucking boring, in short.

I subscribed for a year (by mistake, actually. It's a long story). The only thing I got out of it was an appreciation of Broadcast, who are/were genuinely wonderful. Other than that, it was just wall-to-wall obscurist pretension designed to make hipsters feel admired on the tube.

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Bob | 16 July 2011 - 8:16pm

Don't get me wrong about The Wire

I admire what The Wire does, and the fact that you can go into WHSmiths almost anywhere and buy a magazine with Chris Watson or Battles or Roy Harper on the cover is pretty neat.

They're not pandering to hispters, they're writing about genuine outsider stuff, that righteously weird and 'other' music that is so far off the radar it barely exists. They're not doing this to be 'cool' or 'hip' but to give the stuff that lives on the outer limits of what is deemed 'music', some sort of coverage and I think the writers genuinely love the stuff (unless it's Fraser Lewry rattling some chains in a bowl)

I pick it up, and occasionally it will alert me to something genuinely astonishing. However, for the most part it de-rails itself with its incredibly dry and academic analysis, and that poncey tiny little typeface, fussy graphics and grandiose photography.

I read The Word and The Wire. The Word makes me wish the editorial team had less conservative musical tastes. The Wire makes me wish the writers had an ounce of the wit and *fun* of The Word.

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Dr Volume | 17 July 2011 - 3:49am

Yeah, it's not the subject matter that makes the Wire awful.

Not a bit. They cover some good stuff (although, like Peel, they also wax lyrical about some unforgivable obscuro-wank seemingly *just* because it's obscure). No, it's not really the music. It's the tedious pretension of the writing that grates. No fun. And for me, fun's the whole point.

I have a t-shirt that says "I listen to bands that don't even exist yet". It's a joke, but for The Wire it could almost be a mission statement.

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Bob | 17 July 2011 - 6:58am

For years I used to read

(and occasionally contribute to) Folk Roots magazine (or FRoots as it likes to be called these days).

It was always a fairly serious publication, but became unreadable for me when it all-but jettisoned Anglo/American and Celtic folk music and embraced the burgeoning World Music scene with unseemly gusto.

So when we began to see nothing but African drum collectives or Balinese flute ensembles on the cover month after month, it was time to move on.

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mojoworking | 17 July 2011 - 9:25am

Floodgates

I kind of agree, I like variety as well as the next Massive member (oh behave).

But taking pointers from the pithy reviews bit (Pick'n'Mix and something else) has lead me to some excellent new discoveries. Ok, I'm not a baby boomer, and these reviews clearly aren't going into any depth but firstly, that's their beauty: once you get to know where your own tastes converge/diverge with a regular reviewer, you don't really need them to bang on about how much they like something.

Secondly, there is such a monumental load of "Different stuff" out there: world music, modern-classical, post-rock, avant garde jazz, improvised throat warbling, stuff that gets labled 'unclassifiable' in iTunes... that to only mention, say, Mulatu Astatke would seem insulting to the rest and would likely only serve to turn more people off than on.

I haven't read my subscription contract smallprint but I don't think we're banned from reading Froots as well...

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murrance | 12 July 2011 - 12:14pm

Only commenting in the interest of providing feedback

but I completely concur with this, and don't think an up arrow is sufficient agreement should any of the staff be reading this thread.

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maggieloveshopey | 12 July 2011 - 8:00pm

Not a subscriber..

..and haven't seen the new issue yet but I'm not sure that the content has changed much in its PIF ( Personal Interest Factor ) that much over the years I've been reading it. There are always general themes that don't interest me - Heavy Metal, for example, or Indie bands - but there's usually other items that unexpectedly grab my attention. Much the same with other magazines and newspapers. It's a Pick n' Mix world.

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jazzjet | 12 July 2011 - 10:46am

Writing as one

who feels a bit disengaged from the world out there, I like the fact that Word doesn't just concentrate on music. After all Mojo does seem to have cornered the in-depth 20 page muso piece pretty well. In the latest issue, have disagreed with Jim White's assessment of Twenty Twelve and am sure I will disagree with more but what I still like about it is the fact that the overall quality of the writing makes me want to read about people and things I wouldn't ordinarily give much notice to. I was tickled by Mark Ellen's dismissal of Howard Marks, a weed stained bore talking about a life of tireless underachievement, very good.
Call is a fiver Mark, usual address.

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Francis Barry-Walsh | 12 July 2011 - 11:18am

Mags change, readers change

Notable publications I stopped reading when the editorial vision moved away from what I first loved:

Creem Magazine (deceased) - went big on hair metal
NME - decided the Mighty Mighty Lemon Drops and Stump were better than the Beatles
Mother Jones - identity politics took over everything
Rolling Stone - shifted to celebrity journalism
Four Four Two - less content and more 'ad sponsored' features
Mojo - incipient 'Q'ism
National Lampoon - goodbye scathing satire, hello gross-out humour

This, and crappy postal service, is why subscriptions don't appeal to me.

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sourdust | 12 July 2011 - 11:45am

"Decided the Mighty Mighty Lemon Drops and Stump

were better than the Beatles"

There are some folk out there who will try and tell you this is still the case!

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mojoworking | 12 July 2011 - 12:07pm

Stump were great though

But better than The Beatles? Even the bloody Beatles aren't better then The Beatles.

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Zanti Misfit | 12 July 2011 - 1:07pm

Thank U

Mr or Ms Misfit, you've supplied a phrase I'll be re-employing indefinitely.

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SoundMind | 12 July 2011 - 2:43pm

I was more alarmed at my own disinterest toward Suede.

It doesn't seem so long ago I would've gone straight for the feature, read it twice and started cutting out pictures from it to stick on my bedroom wall.

God that illustrator's good though.

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murrance | 12 July 2011 - 11:58am

Must admit I'm struggling...

...to find the time to keep up.

I love reading Word and used to work methodically through every issue, not flicking through beforehand because I really enjoyed not knowing what was on the next page until I got there and discovered the joys within. I wouldn't start a new issue until I'd finished the last.

Thing is I found myself last month still on the December issue as more and more were landing on the doormat and I found that what I was reading was getting older and older and all the interesting gigs and festivals which were advertised at the back had been and gone by the time I got there and the piles of unread mags taunted me. I even took about 4 issues on holiday with me but still didn't make a dent on them as I preferred to go walking on the cliffs rather than sit in my campervan ploughing through my Word homework.

So... I took the leap and skipped 6 issues and started on the July one last month. I'm halfway through that now and already another has fallen on the mat waiting to be read. Add to that about 5 podcasts (I keep up better with those) and the Something for the Weekend emails and you can see the content overload that is already building up just from Word.

I'm not necessarily a slow reader but do have a lot of other stuff to do. There's an unwatched (I know I know) Wire box set on my bookshelf glaring at me nightly. I did manage to get through The Killing but those 20 hours might have been spent on the Word. I wonder if I'll ever find the time to listen to or read any of the books/CDs that Word recommends.

Any ideas? Do I need help?

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poolhallrichard | 12 July 2011 - 12:01pm

My advice

Just read, watch or listen to whatever takes your fancy when you get the time. Life isn't a box-ticking exercise. I've not seen the Sopranos or The Wire (apart from a few episodes). I might watch them one day, or I might not, but I'm certainly not going to treat it as a task that needs to be done.

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Spartacus Mills | 12 July 2011 - 12:10pm

Had to skim-read your post due to time constraints...

But I think I'm in a similar boat. I'm trying not to be too precious about reading every single page, or giving more than one listen to the CD.

I am now 4 podcasts behind schedule and set to fail my pop trivia GCSE.

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murrance | 12 July 2011 - 12:19pm

Enneagram 1

You sound like an Enneagram 1, Richard - perfectionist judge (I can do better, I must do better). I am with Spartacus - give yourself a break; there is no Word exam coming up as far as I know. Is there? IS THERE? Blimey, they never told me...

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everygoodboydes... | 12 July 2011 - 12:15pm

Haven't seen

the new issue but I knwo what it was that got me into the Word in the first place and that is great features on areas of music not usually covered by other mags. Not specific artists necessarily but the 'behind the scenes' stuff. Sidemen, business side of music, downloading culture, etc.

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jimmyshoes01 | 12 July 2011 - 12:25pm

Have Suede got something on Word?

First the podcast and then a cover for a marginal schmindie band. Surely Slade would be a better fit and Dave Hill a better interviewee than boring Bert?
Mind you, haven't got the new mag yet so I suppose it's possible that the feature is an expose about how the fey quintet aren't much cop...in which case - well done chaps! You really nailed those dastardly thirdrate dame-apers!

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Mr Fade | 12 July 2011 - 12:37pm

They're headlining Latitude.

They're headlining Latitude.

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Andy Lynes | 12 July 2011 - 1:31pm

Marginal?

The band are often credited with kick-starting a whole movement regardless of whether you like them or not! And how many "schmindie" bands would create something as ambitious and grand as Dog Man Star? Getting a bit annoyed with people not giving them their due, like on the other thread where apparently they don't belong to be in the same company as some of the previous cover stars.

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pbobcat | 12 July 2011 - 3:44pm

Relax

To make up for it, next month's cover will feature a man with TWO beards.

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Spartacus Mills | 12 July 2011 - 3:47pm

Suede

er...so you don't like them.

If you hadn't noticed, they were HUGE, and look like heading that way again.

Granted they are a Marmite band, but you can't call them Marginal.

Red rag, etc

:)

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Sinj | 12 July 2011 - 4:00pm

Have to disagree with you on every point.

1. I don't dislike them. I think they're ok. Two good albums and their creative genius left. Then one good album and some dreadful stuff followed.
2. I don't think they were actually HUGE. Fairly big maybe but not huge. Not really as big as say, The Libertines or even Razorlight.
3. I don't think they're a marmite band either. They've got a few rabid fans as most bands do, even Level 42. Some people aren't interested in them and some, like me, think they're ok, most people outside of the old music press probably have never heard of them.

It's a long, long time since they were critic's darlings. BA's solo albums have generally taken almighty pannings..just surprises me they're hip again.

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Mr Fade | 13 July 2011 - 12:42pm

2.

I don't know where to find the relevant statistics about record sales, chart positions and concert revenue, but I'd wager that Suede were *much* bigger than Razorlight.

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Spartacus Mills | 13 July 2011 - 2:09pm

Sadly

If we're talking second albums, Razorlight sold twice as many copies as both put together. Their second album was massive - 1.5m.

Dog Man Star sold about 200k (including the new remaster). Libertines second sold 400k.

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Chimney Singing... | 13 July 2011 - 2:13pm

And chartwise Razorlight have had five top 5

singles including a number 1, America. Suede have had three with no number 1s. Not even a number two.

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Mr Fade | 13 July 2011 - 2:31pm

I stand corrected

I find that genuinely surprising - but kudos to the man with the facts.

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Spartacus Mills | 13 July 2011 - 3:00pm

But...but....but....but.....size isn't everything

Fnar..

and does not mitigate from the facts that a) Razorlight are unredeemably shite

and

b) Suede are quite brilliant.

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Six Dog | 18 July 2011 - 12:46pm

Yep

You can't argue with that.

Razorlight are an absolute disgrace.

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Chimney Singing... | 18 July 2011 - 12:57pm

Certainly they are!

Wouldn't want anyone to think I'd lost my mind. Was just using them to prove a point.

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Mr Fade | 18 July 2011 - 9:57pm

At That Time The Biggest Band in Britain

were the Levellers. Selling out the Brum NEC for three nights, pulling the biggest crowd EVER to the Pyramid Stage. Let's get things in perspective, eh?

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itfc1959 | 15 July 2011 - 8:07pm

Headlining Latatude

Slade are headlining Latitude?

Where do I get my ticket?

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Rigid Digit | 12 July 2011 - 7:54pm

Slade are headlining Latitude?

Slade are headlining Latitude?

That is my idea of heaven on earth.

I honestly believe that Slade are one of the best bands this country have ever had.

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jackthebiscuit | 13 July 2011 - 2:50am

No Noddy

but....this looks fun!

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Dr Volume | 13 July 2011 - 3:43am

Slade?

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John Medd | 18 July 2011 - 10:36pm

Suede on the cover?

I thought it was Pinocchio....

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mojoworking | 13 July 2011 - 3:36am

Skip to page 75

one helluva hooter.

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Dr Volume | 13 July 2011 - 3:46am

Does that mean

Brett has been telling people Suede were as good as Blur again?

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mojoworking | 13 July 2011 - 3:54am

For two and a half albums they were better...

Damon has never, and probably will never, produce ANYTHING that comes close to Dog Man Star.

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Six Dog | 15 July 2011 - 9:26am

Even as a Blur fan...

...I think this argument has merit. They came closest with "Blur", but they're such different bands it seems strange to compare them. For the first two records, Suede were this unsettling, deeply urban sex pest of a band. Blur were much more fixated on becoming enormous, whereas Suede - while they certainly *wanted* to be enormous - couldn't quite manage the compromises necessary to do it with Bernard in charge.

The result is that "Dog Man Star" is a more complete and coherent record than Blur ever managed. It's a pretty fully-realised work of art in a way that "Parklife" or "Blur" aren't.

It's interesting, by the way, that people are having a pop at Suede on the basis that they weren't HUGE. Well, neither were Dr. Feelgood, but I bet you wouldn't hear many complaints from the Massive if the mag had them on the cover.

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Bob | 15 July 2011 - 9:59am

IMHO "13"

is a better album than 'Dog Man Star' but then again I think 'Coming Up' is a better album than Dog Man Star

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DogFacedBoy | 15 July 2011 - 12:42pm

13, really?

I like it a lot, but it's pretty patchy, IMO.

I can't bear most of Coming Up. That said, I had great fun doing karaoke to "Trash" with KatyG the other day.

Oops. Sorry. I mean, I had great fun doing karaoke to "Trash" with A COMPLETELY WORD-UNRELATED FRIEND WHO HAS NEVER POSTED HERE.

Wouldn't want anyone to feel left out, after all.

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Bob | 15 July 2011 - 12:52pm

Thirteen is the only Blur album

I can listen to from start to finish with no skipping. or any other physical exercise

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DogFacedBoy | 15 July 2011 - 1:00pm

"Blur" is the one for me.

Not a duffer 'pon it. I think they're one of those bands who really suffered from the whole thing of "we MUST fill up the CD". What other explanation could there be for the amount of filler on "Parklife", which by rights should be an all-killer classic?

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Bob | 15 July 2011 - 1:06pm

Same here...

Blur is the only consistent album, though I have a soft spot for Think Tank. That said, neither are a patch on Dog Man Star.

Coming Up - very patchy.

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Six Dog | 15 July 2011 - 2:05pm

Think Tank for me

because it's the one that least sounds like Blur and on which Damon's vocals don't sound like Damon.

Otherwise prefer all of Suede's album's to Blur's

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tiggerlion | 15 July 2011 - 5:36pm

its is

.

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DogFacedBoy | 15 July 2011 - 12:47pm

Oh

yes it is!

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DogFacedBoy | 15 July 2011 - 12:48pm

Pinocchio?

I thought it was the mighty Bluebottle. (Enters around 2.42)

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geebee | 15 July 2011 - 1:04pm

Er sorry

Come on, you can't just call Suede a marginal 'schmindie' (whatever that means) band. OK, I'm a fan, but that's because they're a damn fine credit to British music and often go overlooked. Seeing them recently in Dublin was like the 10 years or so that had passed since their last tour was just a couple of minutes. They've lost none of their vigour, performance and ability to captivate an entire audience that they held in their prime. And as far as guitarists go, Bernard Butler (along with James Dean Bradfield and Graham Coxon) and later Richard Oakes were the only guitarists at the time (early 90s) to be doing anything remotely interesting amongst the mush of landfill 'indie' players that followed. Rant over.

As for the magazine, I still love it. I even read the bits about artists/stuff I'm not interested in because the writing is usually so damn good. The blend of podcast/web/concerts/print is so brilliantly done. All magazines have a format. All magazines (usually) have a set structure, it's the content that matters, and I think it's really rather good.

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greenguitarstar | 12 July 2011 - 1:15pm

Whaaat?!

" Bernard Butler (along with James Dean Bradfield and Graham Coxon) and later Richard Oakes were the only guitarists at the time (early 90s) to be doing anything remotely interesting"

What about Kevin Shields, J Mascis and 'ooh ahh' Martin Carr to name but three?

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Dr Volume | 12 July 2011 - 1:46pm

Or Kurt?

Or Gary Louris? Mind you, I do think Butler and Coxon are/were very good.

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Mr Fade | 12 July 2011 - 1:56pm

Kurt?

Kurt wasn't anyone's idea of an interesting guitarist, surely? He banged barre chords out. Sometimes they were quite interestingly-strung-together barre chords, but he wasn't doing anything particularly arresting with the instrument. All the interest in Nirvana came from the overall sound.

J. Mascis is a good call, but he's quite indebted to the classic rawk tradition, and isn't particularly original. Lots of fun, though. And I'll concede Kevin Shields even though I find his bloody awful band completely unlistenable.

Graham and Bernard really are in a different league from almost all other comers of their generation. I'd absolutely defend their right to a place in the top five - minimum - of 90s guitar players. Especially British ones.

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Bob | 15 July 2011 - 10:04am

Suede...

Difficult to say what I think of this - I'm not overwhelmed, but it's not underwhelming. I think I'm just whelmed.

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Kit Hogue | 12 July 2011 - 1:15pm

Colours nailed to the mast

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Word one day going the way of Q; but for me at least, it's a long way off that sorry fate. It takes me a while, but I read almost every article in the end, and it's never the same features that I enjoy most. Last month, it was Sylvia Patterson's piece about Snoop Dogg (an artist in whom I have zero interest) which made me laugh and sticks in the mind. I haven't read everything in this edition yet, but the Stewart Lee and Molly Parkin interviews are bloody good.

I've been a subscriber for a few years and always look forward to the next one arriving. Long may it run.

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Rosbif | 12 July 2011 - 1:42pm

No magazine can be all things

to all people. I certainly buy other publications to cater for my other interests. Although Fortean Times did recently have a 2 page article on Kate Bush for no reason other than she's 'a bit odd'.

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DogFacedBoy | 12 July 2011 - 1:45pm

Mojo, Uncut, Q, Classic Rock and Word subscriber

Mojo - like the bigger features
Uncut - wavering. Like Allan Jones but find it becoming a bit niche in musical tastes (Fleet Foxes school of woodsman homespunness)
Q - about to cancel. Suddenly dawned on me that I was disappointed when it dropped onto the mat that it wasn't one of the others. Time to go.
CR - still love it. My era of bands, it loves all the backstage angles
Word - I realised a while ago that I don't subscribe to this because of the music, the film or anything else. I buy it for the writers. I love the quality of ME, DH, CSM, AH, KM, DQ writing and I love the pieces about producers, engineers, unseen musicians etc.I buy it because of you lot. I look out for regular Blog contributors in the Review section and smile when I find one I recognise. There was a period of the NME in the 70's (CSM, Kent, Danny Baker)that was my absolute favourite era of great writing about my passion. I feel the same way about Word. I'm not the remotest bit interested in Suede but I'll read the feature because people whose opinions I respect have taken the trouble to feature them in my fave mag. Nuff said.

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niallb | 12 July 2011 - 2:01pm

The writing....

Yes. This is exactly what nails it for me and lifts it above some of the others. All the writers mentioned I seem to have grown up with through their careers via Smash Hits, Q, Mojo, MM etc etc...plus other contributors like Paul Du Noyer, Caitlin Moran, Jude and Andrew Collins. Maybe it just makes me feel 19 again?

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Six Dog | 12 July 2011 - 3:15pm

And another thing....

(crouches under desk as he realises he is replying to his own post)this discussion made me think of the shortlived Baker & Kelly Saturday morning show (R5, I think). I distinctly remember Danny Baker describing how Danny Kelly was selecting pictures from the newspaper and adding speech bubbles. One had 2 elderly politicians with DK adding a speech bubble "We fear change". I remember The Candyman crying with laughter - proper tears, choking, everything. I was driving at the time and had to pull over for fear of killing someone, I was laughing so much.
I love this magazine but it's a magazine. I adore this blog but it's a blog, a bunch of opinions from like-minded people that make me laugh, prick my conscience, make me cry and sometimes wrap their collective arms around me and make me feel better. As has been said a few times over the last weeks, if I don't like what I'm reading, I move on - there'll be another great post from backwards seven, twang, hannah, etc along in a minute. Equally, if I'm not enjoying an article about (insert name here) or by (insert name here)I'll move onto something else. Does it make me love the mag less? No because, equally, there'll another one along next month. I cherish it and everything about it but I don't feel the same about any of the other ones I subscribe to (see above). Good writing is hard to find and there is loads of it here, both in the mag and on this site.

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niallb | 12 July 2011 - 3:36pm

Turmoil

I recall Danny Baker finding that word particularly funny when written on the forehead of someone in the paper. He completely lost it when "turmoil" was written on Barney the Dinosaur.

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Austin | 12 July 2011 - 8:23pm

Turmoil

One of the funniest things I ever heard.

Thinking back nearly 20 years & it still brings a smile to my face.

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jackthebiscuit | 13 July 2011 - 2:54am

Fantastic!

For some reason I was thinking of "tutmoil" today. 20 years ago, are you sure?

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johnsimpson1965 | 16 July 2011 - 9:29pm

Quite agree

although I've given up on Uncut, far too in thrall of Beardcore Folkies.

At risk of being accused of Toadying (again) I grew up with Hepworth/Ellen/ Neil Tennant era of Smash Hits, Collins/Maconie/Lamacq era NME, and Select Magazine, so I feel right at home with Word even if it's a bit conservative in it's music content for my tastes.

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Dr Volume | 12 July 2011 - 4:55pm

That's true of me as well

Smash Hits realised that pop/rock was fertile ground for piss-taking in general and it was done really well. The Word has the right balance, I think, of keeping its creds in place with serious pieces and also knowing that, ultimately, a lot of this stuff is all a bit silly. It's a very self-aware entity, this Word thing.

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Austin | 12 July 2011 - 8:31pm

I think it's testament to the directors and editors

of the magazine and this space that they have created an ethos wherein people feel comfortable voicing some of the opinions above. I would guess anyone coming here and criticising current content does so out of a sense of loyalty and ownership. Meaning that something quite good and valuable has been created here.

That said, these guys are pros. If the content is changing but circulation and ad revs move skyward, then the content is correct. To paraphrase Mark Ellen 'Keith Richards on the cover is a sellout issue. Mick Jagger on the cover is a warehouse full of unsold copies' or words to that effect.

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MyAmericanMate | 12 July 2011 - 2:42pm

The Keef Thing

I'm still exceptionally pleased with the magazine, a non-subscriber. If there are any Canadian subscribers reading, I'd be eager to hear when you received the 100th issue - my shop got it last week.

When I saw craggy ol' Keith on said issue, I thought, "Him again?" Am I the only person who finds Keith interviews fairly tedious? Points to Mark Ellen for trying to steer the conversation from its usual craggy furrow of complaints about Mick Jagger and spurious claims of bad boy authenticity.

If the Jagger/warehouse analogy is true, is it because a lifetime of magazine covers have rendered him meaningless? Or, if folks know Jagger has little to say, why fall for the usual Richards guff?

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SoundMind | 13 July 2011 - 2:22pm

There is of course the question of mood

Producing a magazine is only a part of the process. The reader has a part to play too.

I usually flick through the mag first and quite often my first instinct is to mumble things like." Never heard of him", "Don't like 'er", "Not another indie band" etc etc.

Then comes my read through, usually spread over a fortnight. Nine times out of ten I warm to the article.

I used to ensure that on a main read through, every word would be read and every picture examined. I'm less strict with myself of late and if an article doesn't grab me I may move on, but I'm still finding that I read far more than I skim.

My horizons and (inversely as a result) my bank balance have been well and truly broadened by the magazine, but not every section will grab me. ( I'm finding that I increasingly value the columnist sections.)

All that said, it really does depend upon my mood as to how rigorous I am with the content. Coming back to the magazine after a day or two (or even a drink or two) can often open up new perspectives and insights that I was previously immune too.

I've dabbled with other contemporary publications but none of them have the consistency and value for money that word represents for me.

If I could contribute to a wish list for future issues, it would lean towards the styles of World, Jazz, Classical and other specialist genres. It seems to be where I am heading as a consumer. Going "too specialist" would not necessarily be a selling point for the masses but quality writing around a variety of topics will do for me.

The recent redesign, sent the magazine in the direction on the New Yorker particularly the first edition in that format. That's no bad thing in my book either.

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Martin Simmonds | 12 July 2011 - 2:43pm

I subscribe

and read it from front to back over the course of the month. Perhaps my quality control faculties have been affected by my loyalty to the brand and I no longer read it objectively. I don't really care if that's true or not because the magazine gives me so much pleasure.

Its continuing appeal is that the style of the magazine has become more important than the matching of the content to my personal tastes. It is a cool magazine in the Miles Davis sense of the word: being composed in an aesthetic way, rational and measured. So I'll read about a band I can take or leave - like Suede - because my interest is piqued by the fact that Word has a piece about them. I trust the judgement of the magazine and writers even if I don't always agree with the opinion expressed or have an interest beyond the article itself. Besides, the idea of spending nearly £5 a month on a magazine only to use it to decide whether or not to buy a CD, DVD or book is unfulfilling and prescriptive; it's not why I invest in the magazine. I sometimes think the cover CD is a distraction: it pigeon-holes the magazine when it really defies categorisation as a "music magazine". I'd welcome a small collection of unpublished/republished articles on a theme as a cover "CD".

Sometimes, more often than not, I get the double whammy of a great article with a great incentive to buy or investigate further but even if serendipity of reader and writer coming together on a "product" doesn't materialise there is still the voice of the writer to be enjoyed and savoured. That, for me, is the point of Word: to have voices that come off the page and float around in your head for a while. That's what reading is all about isn't it?

So, Word's USP is that the quality and process of communication is as important to me as the content itself.

And that USP is also its biggest problem and weakness.

Word is really a collection of esoteric voices rather than one voice with many repetitive echoes. It is not lead by an ideological agenda other than the idea of bottling enthusiasm or interest or opinion in someone or something through the written word and sharing it. That lack of ideological artifice is very liberating but it also makes it more difficult to pin the magazine down.

Never forget that most of us are sheep in the world even if we like to think we're not. Who wants to read writers that write as sheep, primarily by writing to reinforce stereotypical opinions around which a crowd has gathered? Answer: most people.

That's why I think Word struggles to position itself in the market: it doesn't move to the standard 4/4 beat of printed media by saying a lot about a little nor does it chase the zeitgeist. In conjunction with its multiple time signatures it also places a very specific demand on its readers: keep an open mind.

Keeping an open mind is quite tiring when nature, age and the way of the world seems to expect you to close it once you've reached a certain level of maturity. God knows I fight against it and Word, in its own little way, helps that fight.

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Ahh_Bisto | 12 July 2011 - 4:06pm

Foreword

I've been a subscriber for around 3 years now, and I *have* noticed a couple of things - it might just be perception, but the Foreword part with "stories" etc is getting bigger? It goes up to page 44 in the new issue, and at one point I thought there must be a printing error and they'd printed the same pages twice as I flicked through.

Also - and this isn't just the Word - I really get sick of huge spreads of pictures of loads of brilliant things that we did when we went that that festival that you didn't go to. Cue "Wasn't Latitude Great everyone" spread(s) next month. :)

Also, I think the number of completely "one step removed" articles has dropped a little (an example, when I started subscribing there was one about Arthur Conan Doyle, more recently Alan Lomax) so there are more of the "foreword" type bits, and less meaty articles.

I'm probably wrong, but that's how it feels.

Also, I'd love more proper album reviews, period, but I know that's terribly old fashioned.

That said, it stands head and shoulders above any competitor that I've bothered to purchase (for my demographic ;)) in recent times...

Keep up the good work everyone, but stay on your toes. :)

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Sinj | 12 July 2011 - 3:59pm

I was a subscriber

I bought the first edition & was a subscriber until April.

I agrre with Sinj. Too much self-referential stuff. I don't like the 'Diary' as I'm not interested in which famous playwright you can bump into in a cafe in London. I found the small articles in Foreward less interesting. I also felt the writing had become somewhat stale, tired and cynical, especially in the opinion pieces. I, too, yearned for a better review section, which too often felt like point-scoring not really to do with the record. I would often read a longer review & find that the actual music was only discussed after halfway (the first half being taken up with the details of a train journey the writer had to undertake, or somesuch). And, by the end I still had no idea if the reviewer liked it or not.

I don't mind short reviews but, please, not the same people every time.

The best bits are the reviews from people on this blog and the occasional visit from Jude.

I, personally, would be attracted back by fresh blood and more of a celebration of music, rather than a weary, seen-it-all feel to so much of the content

Having said all that, I still enjoy this blog, including any bickering, because here I find I joy in music I no longer found in the magazine.

Sorry, everyone, but that's the way I feel. I'm getting old

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tiggerlion | 12 July 2011 - 11:46pm

I agree

Does EVERY article touching on musical acts on the early 1990s have to be given to Andrew Collins?

And more Jude Rogers please - she's one of the best writers you've had.

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Kit Hogue | 14 July 2011 - 10:14am

Andrew Harrison

Penned the startlingly excellent Suede piece this month.

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Six Dog | 15 July 2011 - 9:29am

New Strategy

What the need to do is start hacking in to the mobile phones of Pop stars to get some real stories!

That could be really effective and give the buying public just what they want.

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Sinj | 12 July 2011 - 4:02pm

2 things from me.

I like word of mouth, & not just celebs, I used to enjoy reading the subscribers recent likes & dislikes.

Film reviews - Surely I am not the only reader who thinks that the photo of Jim White at the top of his film review column is dreadful? I always think it makes him look as if he is asking someone if they have spilt his pint.

I take the Daily Telegraph, & his photo in that is a lot less scary.

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jackthebiscuit | 13 July 2011 - 3:03am

first cover that's excited me for a long time

Just a shame that the article wasn't a great deal longer, I was really looking forward to settling in with that one.

They've been around 20 years - it's not as if they put Brother or The Horrors on the cover. As I said on another thread, 90s music is standing the test of time and I for one am delighted that The Word's editorial excellence is being applied to Suede. Pulp next please. Then Noel Gallaghjer. Then you can get back to the old folkies

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Chimney Singing... | 13 July 2011 - 10:03am

"Noel Gallaghjer"?

He of the Norwegian Oasis tribute band Fjord?

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Black Type | 15 July 2011 - 10:34am

The Word's position

I don't read the Word for new music (I'm not into AOR / nu-folk). I don't read the Word for the tales of television in the 1970s (I wasn't alive). Or the alternative acts from your youth (such as the incredibly tedious Richard Thompson / Dr Feelgood), because 70s rock has been bettered. I don't read the Word because of its podcasts (some people just don't interest me).

I read the Word because it deserves to be read. A fascinating article here, superb insights there, controversial opinions and the BEST/WORST bit. Quite simply, a well thought-out, interesting read from cover to cover. Even if I'm not interested in half the things in it, its always worth a read. Would be nice to have longer articles about music's fearless visionaries (not just Stevie "slap-bass and clavichord" Wonder or Edwyn "one song" Collins), but truly out-there people like Tom Waits and Scott Walker, who use their whole life as art statement. For example, the cover with Tom Waits on recently had one paragraph about him. Not impressed. More coverage for less obvious genres such as Hip Hop and Scandinavian post rock would be fantastic for me, but I suspect not for everyone.

Above all, the more diversity the better, and keep up the good work!

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badger_king | 13 July 2011 - 1:58pm

Now I like your idea of Scandinavian Post-Rock...

did I ever mention a little band I like called The Sou....(yes, you did now piss off! Ed.)

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Retro Man | 13 July 2011 - 2:11pm

The Sounds?

*Gets kaftan*

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Ola Claesson | 15 July 2011 - 9:40am

I give you

Mini troll

Photobucket

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Twangothan | 14 July 2011 - 7:20pm

AOR?

Last time I looked that constituted soft metal by bands with perms - I'm thinking of the likes of Foreigner, REO Speedwagon etc.

AOR - Album Oriented Rock?

Does such music appear on the Word CD or does AOR mean something else now?

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/84689/the-top-25-aor-bands...

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mojoworking | 15 July 2011 - 9:03am

Adult Orientated Rock?

Maybe I've got wires crossed. I thought it was an expression not a genre. Queen an AOR band? Too much eclecticism I fear (Mustapha and '39 are defiantly NOT AOR).

Maybe I just mean "boring, slightly plodding, earnest dad-rock in a muso-stylee with slightly pretentious lyrics about life and stuff".

But that's a bit of a mouthful...

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badger_king | 15 July 2011 - 10:42pm

Dr Feelgood? Tedious???

Shurely shome mistake...

Tedious is one adjective so far removed from the whole life of Dr Feelgood, I don't know where to start really.

Tom Waits doesn't "do" press for anyone, let alone a limited circulation independent music and culture mag from London, England.

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Six Dog | 15 July 2011 - 9:33am

"One Song"?

I think if you're going to give the guy a middle-moniker like that and not include Orange Juice, and learning to speak and play half a guitar again after - what was it, two? - strokes, you could at least qualify it as "one chart-topping song".

Just a suggestion, like.

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murrance | 15 July 2011 - 9:51am

Slap bass Stevie?

Please point to that one. I must have missed it.

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Jorrox | 15 July 2011 - 11:58am

He doesn't play it.... obviously.

But apologies in advance for THIS:

:(

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badger_king | 15 July 2011 - 10:45pm

One would be more inclined..

..to take your "70s rock has been bettered" (no it hasn't..and it's not sport anyway) stance seriously if you hadn't misheard the synth bass on the above track as slap bass.

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shane pacey | 16 July 2011 - 9:26am

Fairly hideous whatever it is

Obviously there are elements of 70s rock which I quite enjoy. I'm not a complete luddite. But there is more to life. Honestly.

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badger_king | 16 July 2011 - 10:02am

I know there is Sir...

You'd be the opposite of a Luddite though wouldn't you?..I'm the Luddite, matey and don't you forget it.
(Puts "John Barleycorn Must Die" on turntable and drifts off into reverie.

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shane pacey | 16 July 2011 - 10:06am

Judas!

It were all "Argus" round my way when I were a nipper... etc

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badger_king | 18 July 2011 - 12:28pm

Oy

get over to the "Aqualung" thread now!

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Twangothan | 18 July 2011 - 12:32pm

These days

it's all Argos and Ikea

It were all "Argus" round my way when I were a nipper... etc

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mojoworking | 18 July 2011 - 12:45pm

Not a great issue

I skimmed it all in ten minutes. Read some of Mark's stuff at the start, the "Best & Worst", skimmed the reviews (nothing caught my eye), and put it into the recycling box, and both CDs in the bin without a listen. Almost a fiver well spent then.

Maybe it's time to stop buying it? We'll see if things improve.

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Nasalhair | 14 July 2011 - 6:50pm

both CDs in the bin without a listen.

Me likewise Mister hair. I cant remember the last time I listened to the freebie CD.

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jackthebiscuit | 14 July 2011 - 7:10pm

I like the CDs

I like the CDs because they are one of the few ways I get to hear new music these days: between waking and work, it's Radio 4; working is work and after work, it's supper and kid-to-bed and TV.

If I work late, I will listen to 6 Music, but at home it's a bit anti-social to tuck myself away with earphones in my ears (Mrs Pajp is not what you'd call a music fan).

I know that I am not alone in this (because there have been any number of contributions to threads bemoaning the fact), but there is too much to listen to, too many books to read and too many DVDs/TV series to watch, so the music digests (regardless of how much of each one I actually like) that are the free CDs are fine by me and I am more than happy to get them. Thanks.

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Pajp | 15 July 2011 - 12:00am

The CDs

In my experience, they always reward a good listen. Take this month's Latitude CD. A lot of it is of absolute rubbish to my ears, but there are two tracks by artists I'd never heard before which made me go and check out their work (Crystal Fighters and The Raghu Dixit Project) plus two excellent tunes by existing favourites (Caribou and Suede). Not bad for a free CD.

Gonna listen to Now Hear This today. If there are one or two good tunes from people I've never heard, I'll be chuffed.

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Spartacus Mills | 15 July 2011 - 8:50am

Gateway

The CD's are an excellent gateway to artists new to me; occasionally there is only one track which stands out but equally there are times when almost all of them appeal, and sometimes I have gone out and bought albums on this basis (Headless Heroes, Joan As Policewoman, McAlmont & Nyman etc.)

Keep them coming - though I do miss the 'Japanese' covers.

Thank you, Mark and David, and I wish I could have made it onto the Dixie Queen.

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altair | 22 July 2011 - 8:55pm

Are you full?

Both CDs binned without a listen? Surely they're worth at least one go in the car? How else would I know that Danny and The Champions of the World sound like The Gaslight Anthem, only without the tattoos?

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skirky | 15 July 2011 - 12:31pm

Hitchin

I went to my local shop intending to buy, but no Word!! Either it had sold out or they stopped carrying it. So I need to search more widely.

THIS JUST IN they had some today so I bought one!

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Twangothan | 15 July 2011 - 2:38pm

just a little bit

self-indulgent? I have to be honest...the bit I definately never read is what Mark Ellen has been up to. He could do a blog that I won't read if he wishes to keep everyone abreast of his doings.

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cradlerock | 14 July 2011 - 7:17pm

Have an up

Wholeheartedly agree. And the beginning of a magazine is so important in catching attention (apart from the cover and the centre pages). Or, at least, I think so.

0
tiggerlion | 15 July 2011 - 5:42pm

...and disagree

I'm not a regular reader of the mag at the moment, but when I was, Mark Ellen's diary was the bit I always read.

0
badartdog | 15 July 2011 - 6:41pm

I really enjoy it too.

(although I'm a little concerned I'm going to get accused of brown-nosing). It's always a really good read, IMHO, and a good way to kick off the mag.

1
Hannah | 16 July 2011 - 8:37am

Reckon the website's

been way more interesting and more fun than the actual mag for quite a while.

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eddie g | 14 July 2011 - 10:51pm

But you can't read the website in the bath, can you?

(can you? That'd make my life complete)

0
Hannah | 15 July 2011 - 7:15am

All you need is an iPad and

All you need is an iPad and a zip-lock bag. Your extremities will never unprune again.

1
Kevin_McGee | 15 July 2011 - 9:15am

Hmm

I'm a bit uncomfortable discussing things online with people that are in the nip.

1
Spartacus Mills | 15 July 2011 - 9:16am

That's nothing

Didn't we recently have an extended discussion of what people liked to read while sitting on the cludgie? That's a level of intimacy I don't think I haved ever reached with The Light or my closest friends.

1
Gatz | 15 July 2011 - 9:33am

But you wouldn't know,

I could be naked right now while typing this.

(don't panic, I am honestly fully clothed, I'm even wearing an apron and everything cos I'm just baking some shortbread)

1
Hannah | 15 July 2011 - 11:19am

Double bluff, clearly.

YDFMH.

2
skirky | 15 July 2011 - 12:26pm

Shouldn't that be ...

Double Buff?

I thankyew, I'm here all week etc etc

1
WholeHogg | 15 July 2011 - 10:13pm

I bought Word issue 1

because WH Smith were promoting it and Nick Cave was on the cover. Had that cover been in any way Beatles/Stones/Zep/Springsteen related, I probably would have walked on by.

The funny thing is, I'm still reading it at issue 102 despite the high content of said artists, whose music does so little for me. I just find that the features are often so much more entertaining than the music.

I like the bits I like and don't worry about the bits I'm not that fussed about; and I also seem to be in a minority in that I play the CD more than once - a great way to find new artists.

And even if I only spend two hours reading an issue, I've still got more enjoyment from it than a Big Mac and fries, which cost about the same.

But I've never forgiven the Word for not including Earthworm Jim in the Best & Worst cartoon feature!

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renkadima | 15 July 2011 - 9:43am

That's the editor's perennial problem

the cover.

Nick Cave, for me, is no sale. Similarly Paul McCartney. And, being very on topic, Brit Pop bands (guess who hasn't bought this month's issue yet ?).

I started off as just the christmas issue (to get me through the festivities), then "when I'm on hoiday and need something to read" up to virtually every issue.

Usually find it a good read though.

0
Slick | 15 July 2011 - 2:59pm

I bought the first Joni Mitchell cover issue

But my comment in another thread about using my sibscription budget to buy an iPod Touch for the podcast app wasn't really a joke ...

I could easily live w/o the mag nowadays---I'd really miss the podcasts ...

0
SpaceBoy | 15 July 2011 - 1:20pm

Straw poll

Do we like it at the moment or not?

0
Five-Centres | 15 July 2011 - 3:03pm

Is the poll

Yes
No
Meh

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DogFacedBoy | 15 July 2011 - 3:12pm

Without sounding too 'apple for teacher' creepy...

...The Word is still head and shoulders above other music and men's mags and its choice of interviewees shames most Sunday papers.

I stopped buying Mojo and Uncut a few years ago because they seemed to cover the same narrow subjects - The Beatles split/Sgt Pepper's, Jimi Hendrix in London (Ringo's house, testcard inspiration), a bit of alt country and some old bores dissecting Dylan lines.

Men's magazines seem to be aimed at vain swaggerers or sniggering idiots, while The Observer is the best of a bad bunch on Sundays, saved by its sports coverage and occasionally decent articles in The Review.

The Word is particularly strong this month with the Kershaw and Lee interviews. (Is anyone else shocked by Kershaw's comments on Peel?), but I often find the best parts of the magazine are things that aren't covered elsewhere - like the session musician featured earlier this year or Jude Rogers' piece on her dad - or articles that breathe new life into well-trodden subjects - Du Noyer on Brian Epstein or Ellen on Keef.

3
Olthwaite | 15 July 2011 - 6:40pm

anyone fancy

a pint?

1
DogFacedBoy | 15 July 2011 - 7:13pm

hang on

I'll get me coat

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cradlerock | 15 July 2011 - 7:59pm

Like any magazine

it has issues where there's a lot of articles that interest this reader, and others where there are relatively few.
But please spare us in the next issue a ten page spread of photographs of Latitude - or Lattetude as Stuart Maconie refers to it in his new book.
And yes, the forewword section is now far too long, to the detriment of the rest of the magazine.
Nevertheless, the consistently high standard of writing makes it worth buying.

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bargepole | 16 July 2011 - 12:15pm

The Cover

I think the point of the cover is not how many records the artist has sold or whether they are indie schmindie or beardy; The one thing just about all cover stars have had in common over the years is that they mean something to a lot of people in the massive and beyond and / or have stood for something original and been influential in their work, Dido excepted.

Suede are curious in that they've done it twice, they had an absolutely fanatical fan base and they clearly influenced popular culture first time around; Suede really mattered to so many people, and many are falling in love with them again, harder, such as Forde of this parish.

This mag put Peel on the cover, John Martyn, Richard Thompson and others that don't particulary shift units but mean something in our world. Now and again someone will turn up on there that means less to you personally, doesn't mean they're not deserving of it in some way and next month you'll probably love the cover.

Cover complaints to me are a bit like buying a nice pie and grumbling about the wrapper. The stuff you eat is on the inside surely.

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Jon Whitney | 17 July 2011 - 9:04am

So to summarise:

Some of us think the Word isn't as good as it used to be and some of us think it is better.

Some of us think this issue is better than the previous few and some of us think the previous few were better.

Some of us think the music covered is too modern and some of us think it is not modern enough.

Some of us think it used to be a music-only magazine and some of us think it always covered a wider range.

Some of us think it should be shouldn't cover things that are only relevant to a British audience and some of us think it should cover fewer big, global stars.

Some of us think the CDs are rubbish, some of us think the CDs are OK and some of us think the CDs are great.

Some of us have read it cover-to-cover and some of us have only skim-read it.

Some of us think the Word should be a broad church and cover things that may not interest us all the time and some of us think every word and article should interest us all the time.

Some of us like some of the articles and some of us like different ones.

Is that it? Excellent, all sorted then, marketing people.

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JoLean | 18 July 2011 - 11:06pm

And there's more

Can they print it on softer paper and give away free chewy bars occasionally? Possibly change the name to The Beano?

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Beany | 18 July 2011 - 11:29pm
stimpy | 22 July 2011 - 9:34pm

Nailed it JoLean

That is all.

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Susie Baby | 18 July 2011 - 11:31pm

"Some of us think the Word isn't as good as it used to be"

Punch used the line "not as funny as it used to be" as people said it throughout its long history.

*Eventually, it was true and they closed it down.

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davebigpicture | 22 July 2011 - 9:53pm

YDFMRC*

*Ronna Cameron

One for IACGMOOH fans

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DogFacedBoy | 18 July 2011 - 11:35pm

Call me picky, but...

Is Neil Codling Richard Oakes' cousin (box) or Simon Gilbert's (text)? Is FooFighers' pre-show ritual a 'band prayer' (text) or a 'bad prayer' (caption)?

Am I being terribly old fashioned about this sort of thing?

1
Captain Underpants | 22 July 2011 - 11:16pm

Then call me old fashioned as well

because I noticed those mistakes too.

I'm going to make us "Pedantic and Proud" badges for the next mingle.

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Hannah | 23 July 2011 - 7:50am

That's all very well

but who are the FooFighers when they're at home?

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mojoworking | 23 July 2011 - 7:54am

Slight spacing mistake there

"The Foof Ighers" are one of the rudest bands around.

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Hannah | 23 July 2011 - 8:21am

Ha!

You're an old school editor, Mojo - correcting contributors' mistakes, rather than introducing new ones

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Captain Underpants | 23 July 2011 - 9:48am

I actually had an editor like that once

Back in the pre-internet days I handed in a review of the Guns N' Roses albums Use Your Illusion I & II and when it appeared the editor had changed it to read Guns 'N Roses throughout.

When I asked why he had done it, he looked at me blankly and said it didn't matter. There followed a blazing row culminating in me flouncing out of his office repeating the word "unbelievable!" Basil Fawlty style ;-)

True story.

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mojoworking | 23 July 2011 - 10:12am

Do you realise

That if you complained about the new issue AND are attending tomorrow's booze cruise you will be ceremoniously made to walk the plank into the Thames.

Why do you think there is no delete button eh? Cunning plan.

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Beany | 23 July 2011 - 10:11am
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