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In the new podcast: David Hepworth, Barry Mclheney and Matt Hall on Big Bill Broonzy in Belfast, the year 1972 in gigs, Brian Eno and the Singing Postman, Kanye West versus Leonard Cohen at the O2, your thoughts on Prog, the Enid at the Marquee, Reg Varney's real claim to fame, why Martina Navratilova is on "I'm A Celebrity...", the dirty secret of Stephen Fry's cab and finally we guess how much money big TV stars are getting paid.

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"Dad , Prince is on the doorstep "

Surely it has to be at least a thread if not a mini column . What do you say/do if Prince turns up with the witnesses on your door ? I would especially love to know the answers from Andrew Collins,
Mark Ellen and Jim White .

Danmac | 20 November 2008 - 11:03am

Hank Marvin

How about:
"We had that Hank Marvin round her last week as well" since he is also a Jehovah's Witness and you were talking about famous JWs. Prince would know that since aren't they the religion that have massive databases to trace your ancestry?

RussellC | 20 November 2008 - 12:49pm

I think that's the Mormons

You could have all the Osmond brothers and their sister turning up on your doorstep.

Tony Fry | 20 November 2008 - 12:59pm

All along the watchtower...

Other famous Jehovah's Witnesses in popular music are George Benson, Michael Jackson and, strangely enough, David Thomas from Pere Ubu.

As far as the Mormons are concerned, I'm only aware of the Osmonds and Brandon Flowers, but I'm sure there are more.

What other sects are over-represented in popular music?
Scientology "gave" us Beck and (God help us) Juliette Lewis...

Ben Milne | 20 November 2008 - 2:22pm

Stop Press!

Don't hold your breath waiting for Michael Jackson to appear at your door flogging The Watchtower. That's just like so last year. He's a Muslim now, and wants to be called Mikaeel.

Archie Valparaiso | 24 November 2008 - 8:47am

What about RT?

Who's the crew he hangs with? some sort of Muslim offshoot I seem to recall. And then of course there's Madonna's Kabballa. And not really a sect, more of an ancient tribe but Freddie Mercury was a Zoroastrian by birth - they beleive that the world will be cleansed of evil by a global tidal wave of molten metal and that we should not be buried or cremated when we die but left out in the open to decompose.

Niks | 26 November 2008 - 1:41pm

Engine parts

Is my mind playing tricks or did the Absolutely team( early 90's comedy ) have a character who tried to convert those who visited him to the joys of a certain low powered motor bike ?

Danmac | 24 November 2008 - 12:38am

Engine parts

Is my mind playing tricks or did the Absolutely team( early 90's comedy ) have a character who tried to convert those who visited him to the joys of a certain low powered motor bike ?

Danmac | 24 November 2008 - 12:39am

Calum explains how your life could be better with a Suzuki 350

looks like you were right-
see clip at http://www.absolutelyandy.com/absolutely/videoclips/index_rm.htm
-delighted to be reminded of this excellent show which seems to be finally out on DVD.

"The clouds are made of angels' spit" etc.

NickW | 24 November 2008 - 3:04pm

Thanks Nick

Thanks

Danmac | 25 November 2008 - 11:38am

Prog - now responsible for traffic chaos

For reasons too tedious to go into here, I drove to work this morning instead of cycling. I was listening to the podcast while stuck in a long traffic jam. As PFM and their association with Emerson, Lake and Palmer came up for discussion, I got to the front of the queue to find that hold up was caused by a broken down Italian-made car whose registration plate ended with the letters ELP.

I do realise that this is one of the more dull posts seen on the Word website so here's a video of some traffic.


Tony Fry | 20 November 2008 - 11:46am

Jumping Jehovah!

What happens if Jehovah's Witness Hank Marvin turns up at your door and he's hungry? Hello, I'm Hank Marvin. Got any stew on the go? I'm absolutely Hank. Yes, you said that already. Etc.

barneytabasco | 20 November 2008 - 2:28pm

Marvin

When I'm hungry I say "I'm Lee". "Do you mean Hank?" people say.

Lucas Hare | 26 November 2008 - 3:59pm

North of North London

Living as I do near both Potters Bar and Enfield, I had no idea, listening to the last two podcasts, that I lived in such a happening area. Are you seriously telling me that we invented ATMs, and not the Americans?

Lucas Hare | 20 November 2008 - 4:26pm

ATMs

The FT weekend magazine had a photo of Reg opening world's first ATM-in UK-as its back page feature a few weeks ago.

NickW | 20 November 2008 - 11:01pm

Apparently... and oy, Mr H

Saying "ATM machine" is as grotesque as saying "DVD disk", "HTML language" or "the BBC Corporation".

HTH helps.

(And anyway, aren't they "cashpoints" to the likes of you, me and Reg?)

Archie Valparaiso | 20 November 2008 - 6:09pm

Apologies.

You are of course right.

My favorite example of such a nonsensical phrase came from a history of Massive Attack. When they were deciding on their original moniker as a hip hop crew from Bristol, it fell to Nellee Hooper to point out that 'the Wild Bunch Crew' had an extraneous word in it...

Producer Matt | 20 November 2008 - 6:26pm

LOL loud!

Archie Valparaiso | 20 November 2008 - 7:22pm

Can I just say...

PIN number? Glad to have got that off my chest.

Lucas Hare | 21 November 2008 - 7:55am

You win

With the PIN number thing.

Andrew_Collins | 25 November 2008 - 10:01am

PAT testing

That is all.

Gav Leonard | 26 November 2008 - 9:54am

Accounting fun

In the wild and wacky world of accountants, people often refer to "the CCAB bodies". Guess what the B stands for...?

David Ellcock | 26 November 2008 - 12:31pm

Aaah yes...

RAS Syndrome (Redundant Acronym Syndrome Syndrome)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome

nick | 27 November 2008 - 2:50am

Or

PIN number.

Andrew_Collins | 25 November 2008 - 10:00am

The Enid - fey or just bonkers?

The Enid's albums were prog; their singles were whatever took their fancy.
Here's the most over-the-top song of all time, the Enid's version of "Golden Earrings":


http://www.divshare.com/download/5876920-ef7

Regarding Reg Varney, it's traditional to test new technology on comedians - fact fans will remember that Ernie Wise made the first mobile phone call in the UK.

Nick White | 20 November 2008 - 9:23pm

The Enid: Fey or Fay

I wonder whether David meant 'fayest' as in, according to my dictionary, 'most resembling an elf, elfin' (quite possible given Prog's affectations) or 'feyest,' more likely, meaning 'most excessively refined' or 'most quaintly unconventional.'

Bo Doogley | 21 November 2008 - 12:57am

Fey Fay fo fum

Good point, Bo. "Fey" (with an "e") has a whole range of definitions from which to pick. (Not sure any of them adequately describe "Golden Earrings" though).

Nick White | 21 November 2008 - 7:48am

In the region of summer stars

God ... now you are really going "just around the corner of my mind" as Jimmy Saville would say.

Saw them at Reading '81, same year Greg Lake played and the Kinks headlined. RJ Godfrey struck me as painfully sincere and painfully vulnerable.

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/reading-81.html

I remmember receiving a promotional tape from them once-can't even now remember how or why they had my address-introduced by the man himself. Suited a baking summer afternoon at reading very well but not one for the long haul I fear.


NickW | 20 November 2008 - 10:33pm

The Enid

Twin lead guitars and Rachmaninovesque piano - what's not to like there? I first heard them on Fluff's rock show. I saw them loads of times in the late 70s. Brilliant live. Francis Lickerish is even a friend of mine on Myspace - he has a new band.

Were they ever on Whistle Test?

Neil Jung | 23 November 2008 - 8:02pm

No Prize Please, Producer Matt

Esther married Desmond WIllcox, Desmond Morris wrote Manwatching. Actually I guess it would be a little disturbing were the Speedo clad Heppers to realise he was being scrutinised by Mr Willcox.

badartdog | 21 November 2008 - 8:42am

The naked ape

I must admit I am beginning to regard these little grindings of neuronal gears, or Freudian slips (or Freudian speedos) to be part of the fun of the 'casts-along with Mark's "Pete Winfield" etc last week. I am well into that age myself where these things seem to happen and can, as they say, relate

NickW | 21 November 2008 - 9:57am

You should be glad...

..that the spinning fruit machine that is my brain didn't come up with another Desmond. I'd then have claimed that Esther Rantzen was married to either a suave sports anchor, or the bloke who sang 'It Mek'...

Producer Matt | 21 November 2008 - 7:30pm

2-2

or even alight at the great South African bishop ...

In my young day my brother's mates at Bristol used to refer to a lower second degree as a "Desmond", as in "he's going for a Desmond".

I really will get me coat now, promise.

NickW | 22 November 2008 - 8:32am

Barry Mclheney...

is a very funny man. You should get him on the podcast more often.

For me, this week and last week's podcasts have been the best in a long time...

We really do appreciate you doing them, you know...

Patrick Crowther | 21 November 2008 - 9:48am

That's very kind of you to say so

Re: Barry.
Don't encourage him.

David Hepworth | 21 November 2008 - 9:51am

It's the way they tell 'em

The return to the BOMTB* formula for the podcast, with guests getting separate one-on-one interviews under the Backstage banner, is the ideal solution, I reckon. The special-guest podcasts never managed the same spark somehow - probably because there was one person in the room who, however pleasant and willing (hi, Clare!), could never be on the same wavelength as the others if the tape started rolling as soon as they took their coat off. It seemed as though the spontaneity had to be sacrificed to make the guest feel welcome and at ease.

(*Bunch of mates talking bollocks)

Archie Valparaiso | 21 November 2008 - 10:10am

Agreed

Actually the Clare Grogan one was the first one I heard and I loved it lots, but listening to all the preceding ones in a short space of time it's the ones with the barest of pre-arranged agendas that I found most engaging and involving.

badartdog | 21 November 2008 - 7:15pm

Ah, but....

...how do you know which ones have got the barest pre-arranged agendas then?

Re: guests. We pitch them in in the hope that they'll pick up the tune and whistle along with it. Some do; some, understandably, don't.

Anybody who's listened to it tends to get along fine.

David Hepworth | 21 November 2008 - 8:19pm

Well

I guess I mean the ones that I imagine (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) are developed from little more than a sheet of A4 with half a dozen bullet points on it written by yerself. The 'casts that go meandering around your mindscapes (ooh, proggy!) or send Ellen off on a crazy inspired improvisational tangent (jazz, nice) before being pulled back to the central theme by you as bandleader (or school master).
Those are my faves, though if I'm honest I can only think of one out of all of them that was anything less than fab.

badartdog | 23 November 2008 - 12:05pm

Leonard Cohen at the O2

Regarding the comment on the podcast about Len introducing the band at the end of each set, think yourselves lucky he only introduced the band twice on the 13th, when he played the O2 in July he introduced each musician every time they played anything approaching a solo - that's a hell of a lot of introductions and it became tiresome very quickly. The latest show got rid of this unnecessary affectation and was very much improved by it, it was also improved by not having a drunken woman who had been larging it up on the free booze in hospitality standing up and dancing in front of me the whole of the first set like July.

My 4th row seat, centre stage, was the best birthday present I've ever had, the concert among the best I've ever seen - long live laughing Len!

Neil Dyson | 21 November 2008 - 10:35am

LOL Loud!

Archie's post reminds me of the classic chapter on texting in New Yorker scribe Adam Gopnik's brilliant memoir, Through The Children's Gate (follow-up to his equally fab Paris To The Moon). Spends six months getting up to speed on texting back in the day, mainly so he can talk to his son, and is convinced that LOL is coolspeak for Lots Of Love. Perseveres with this, right through his sister's miscarriage ("so sorry to hear the news. LOL"), until the awful day when his son breaks it to him. Textbook Dad material.

barneytabasco | 21 November 2008 - 6:36pm

congrats

.....The last two podcasts have been really good, keep up the good work. LOL at the ATM with Barry Mac.

On The Fence | 24 November 2008 - 8:37am

I'm with Archie

Indeed, the very best podcasts are those with the absence of 'special guests', and those that appear to have wandered away from Mr Hepworth's legendary bullet points.

It is with a sigh of relief, in the certain knowledge of a top forty five minutes, when I hear the regulars are on board.

Mark & David are, verily, the Esther & Abi Ofarim of podcasting. The Peter & Gordon of mirth, and the Butch & Kipper of the rock anecdote.

SirTerence | 24 November 2008 - 6:55pm

Esther and Abi

Thanks for these-would never have encountered them not for this site

The past really is another country ...

...though, tangentially as ever, was fascinated, on visiting Jerusalem this spring, to find it still has a small Tower Records-and a nicely eclectic one at that-Miles, Glass, Nancy Sinatra, Dowland, etc etc.

NickW | 25 November 2008 - 12:12am

Good work Nick

...Peter and Gordon are reasonably easy to find - but for five bonus points, who were Kipper and Butch?

SirTerence | 25 November 2008 - 12:13am

No no Mr Corbett

I am afraid I had already Googled them-http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_the_tv_series_How_many_friends_did_sooty_have

Actually met Mr C as I won (honest) a Sooty talent competition in Bournemouth in 68 with my rendition of Now I am 6 ... a year more usually remembered for May at the Sorbonne, the White Album, Apollo 8 etc etc.

Has been all downhill ever since ..

Now now sooty ...

n

NickW | 25 November 2008 - 12:24am

A Sooty talent competition?

I'm speechless.

D'ya geddit?

Thank you very much; you've been a lovely audience. I'd like to finish with a song....

SirTerence | 25 November 2008 - 12:39am

Tell you what

It's all free. Let's not carp, eh?

David Hepworth | 24 November 2008 - 11:13pm

Fair point

Can't argue with that.

[ though expressing a view is not necessarily carping ]

...Damn - I think I DID just argue...

SirTerence | 25 November 2008 - 12:08am

Spoiler alert! Please consider the rest of us.

It might be okay to spill the beans on the cartwheels because "he's left Britain now anyway" but Len is touring worldwide and so is your podcast.

Scott Wilkinson | 25 November 2008 - 8:26am

In fact...

...Len still had to visit the NEC in Birmingham (on Saturday) when the podcast was recorded. Another example of London-centric media bias, or just a small Hepworth error?

Handsome.P.Wonderful | 25 November 2008 - 4:53pm

Both....

...surely

David Hepworth | 25 November 2008 - 6:11pm

Did I say...

...what an unexpected pleasure it was to get the podcast a day earlier than usual? I loved it when we got it on a Tuesday. That's not a complaint - just nostalgia.

Lucas Hare | 25 November 2008 - 8:29am

Prince

If Prince was on my doorstep, I'd do what I do to all door-knockers and that is: tell him it wasn't a good time. (In that it hasn't been a good time for Prince since about 1983.)

Andrew_Collins | 25 November 2008 - 9:59am

I did think

Well thank you for answering the question Andrew . I did think you may have tried to convert him to using oat milk .

Danmac | 25 November 2008 - 11:47am

It's either a joke that's gone way north of my head or...

...you actually believe Prince peaked by 1983?

Stan Halen | 26 November 2008 - 12:17am

Back to the library with you...

...Mr Collins.

If Prince was on the doorstep, we would have to hope it was a giant step, otherwise we may not see him.

{apologies for size-ist remark}

SirTerence | 25 November 2008 - 11:09am

Answering the door to unwanted people

I had this sorted about five years ago. I never, never answered the door without picking up my baby son first. That way I could always say "it's not a good time" with conviction and proof. Tea time, bath time, nappy time...the options were endless.

Lucas Hare | 25 November 2008 - 2:52pm

Haven't got a baby but...

... might try answering the door with a doll in my arms the next time.

That'll freak 'em out!!!

Nicodemus | 25 November 2008 - 3:31pm

Small children...

...are also great for those unwanted phone calls of the "can I ask you about your insurance" variety. My standard reply used to be: "My daughter deals with this sort of thing" and then hand the phone to my daughter who would proceed to tell them all about whatever The Tweenies were up to.

Seamus | 26 November 2008 - 10:12am

Move to a 2nd floor flat...

...I lived in one for years and used to talk from my window when the Jehovah Witnesses came calling. They never seemed to like raising their voices and craning their necks, and couldn't quite bring themselves to say "could you come down, please". Dialogue, such as it was, fizzled out mercifully quickly.

Roy Levy | 28 November 2008 - 6:47pm

When the Osmonds came round.....

..they left, looking most offended when I invited them in for a coffee. It may have been other members of the Church of Latter day Saints.
Emboldened by this, i now ask Jehovahs Witnesses in for a blood transfusion

Retropath2 | 25 November 2008 - 7:27pm

Why people want to narrowly define prog rock

Because if you don't, then it will include records that a lot of its critics have in their collection. And that's way too embarrassing for your average year zeroist. Hence Zappa/Sgt Pepper/any album with even a hint of a string section fans being rampantly keen to dissociate themselves from the term.

Extra Texture | 25 November 2008 - 8:46pm

Maybe

or perhaps it's just that the bands that we feel sure are prog rock (as we now think of it) happened to make music that has a bad reputation (whether that's justified or not). Zappa is different as worked in various styles so you can't really pin him down to prog.

Then again there are those who would deny Elbow are indie, possibly since that is now rather a dirty word.

But don't the greatest bands tend to transcend categories and genres?

I think though that critics have been happy to acknowledge prog aspects in many bands for some time now, and not in a negative way.

Sven | 25 November 2008 - 10:15pm

Following on

from yon idiot who said Pink Floyd could not surely be Prog because he dislikes Prog and likes Floyd...

Well. I like Prog so the Word Blog must be Prog. All Christmas songs must be Prog. Weetabix must be Prog. The M62 is definitely Prog. So there.

Beany | 25 November 2008 - 11:12pm

All progged out

Am even getting tired of hearing myself going on about this now, but what I would just say is that, yes, there are those who conveniently exclude those who they like from a genre they think uncool, when the band really does have a lot in common with that genre, that is true, but also in Floyd case you could say they (like certain other 'great'- though not all agree with that greatness assertion - acts) have ended up in a field of their own really, and became bigger than just prog. It does all get a bit tiresome though, fussing over what is in what category so I better stop it.

I'd say M6 is most prog motorway actually - it's got spaghetti junction in it.

Sven | 26 November 2008 - 9:22am

No, surely the M25 is the proggest

It goes round and round in circles.

Archie Valparaiso | 26 November 2008 - 9:55am

Are Tim Rice and Lloyd Webber prog?

Are the musicals of Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber prog? Specifically Jesus Christ Superstar and Joseph and his Amazing Coat? I always lump them in with that movement. It's of course the mix of classical and hippy rock, the public schoolness and alongside Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman, they're both bloody Tories.

Extra Texture | 26 November 2008 - 2:00am

Is it possible...

...that Pink Floyd's The Wall bridges prog and punk?

Lucas Hare | 27 November 2008 - 7:18am

Bit late surely?

Even Sid (Vicious not Barret) had kicked the bucket before the release date.

Extra Texture | 30 November 2008 - 4:52am

I mean

Stylistically, not chronologically.

Lucas Hare | 30 November 2008 - 7:22am

Walls (and bridges)

In the narrow sense of "not needin' no education" ???

Or the fact it's one long (very well orchestrated) howl of rage and pain ?

Or what ?

Was really taken with it at the time, remember hearing interview between Waters and Tommy Vance on Friday Rock Show when it was introduced-back when 'phones were sweaty Koss things and you had to make a pain investment to wear them.

Saw the show in spring '81 but to be honest haven't heard it v often lately-seemed to say what it had to say when I really wanted to hear it

NickW | 30 November 2008 - 5:30pm