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The Boy from "Boy"

The cover star of U2 albums Boy, War, The Best of 1980-1990 amongst others was Peter Rowen. He was the brother of Guggi, member of The Virgin Prunes and close friend of Bono. He is now a ironically a photographer with a website www.peterrowen.com

Steve Hill | 31 October 2007 - 7:07pm

All in all....

According to Nick Mason, Rog had an idea to have two or three kids singing, but the bemused engineer at Britannia Row who was tasked with actually getting ver kids on tape thought that that sounded a bit rubbish and did a safety version involving loads of them just in case. Guess which one made the (final) cut...?

skirky | 31 October 2007 - 7:49pm

Pink Floyd's ongoing selective memory

Well, according to the Q magazine Pink Floyd special (which I've just gone and dug out because I remember reading about it) the story of "Another Brick in the Wall Part 2" goes something like this:-
1) Roger's demo is just him and an acoustic guitar (and probably a bit mournful).
2) Producer Bob Ezrin persuades them to record it with a then-fashionable disco beat which they grudgingly do.
3) Ezrin then tries to persuade them to add a second verse & chorus to make it suitable to release as a single - being a band that doesn't do singles, they tell him where to go.
4) Not to be dissuaded, Ezrin makes an extended version anyway and sends one of the engineers to an Islington school and gets him to fill up 24 tracks of tape with kids singing the song.
5) Once he's finished it, Ezrin plays it to Roger Waters who decides it's just what he wanted.
So not entirely Roger's idea then ?

Simon Hoyle | 31 October 2007 - 10:15pm

Same old backsides again

I may be just confusing the two, but didn't the children who appeared in Madness' "Baggy Trousers" video claim payment in later life?
Suggs has said that "Baggy Trousers" was their riposte to the public school educated Floyd's song, since the nutty boys had quite fond memories of their schooldays, and recalled that the teachers and pupils were in the same boat, "trying different ways to make a difference to the days".

Nick White | 31 October 2007 - 10:39pm

Tight Floyd

Wasn't there a story at the time of "The Wall" that the kids didn't get paid and didn't even get a copy of the album (doubtless this was covered on the documentary that I missed)...

Twangothan | 1 November 2007 - 9:12am

Yes, TV is the new rock 'n' roll

You're absolutely right about this. The reason that I hardly ever watch films any more (and struggle like hell to keep up with things like The Wire) but this doesn't apply to music is because I'm always on the move. I listen to music almost singularly in the car or when I'm cooking the kids' tea. I watch television occasionally, and record/own far more than I ever watch. I got the first two series - I refuse to say seasons - of House for Christmas last year, and thoroughly enjoyed the pilot but have made it no further. This is largely, as David Hepworth says, because I am attempting to watch it with my wife. The next step, which I've nearly arrived at, is recording The Wire on Sky +, putting it on DVD, and ripping it to my iTunes library and using my iPod to watch it on a train.

The last album that I listened to without moving was The Beatles' Love. This was because (a) it was a 5.1 mix, so I had to listen to it using a DVD player and a very precise position between the speakers; and (b) because I elected not to go to the cinema with the rest of my family to watch Night At The Museum. And if I'm being honest, I had a bit of a doze while listening.

P.S. - David, please be aware that The Sopranos is being repeated from the beginning on Monday nights on e4. It's better than The West Wing.

Lucas Hare | 1 November 2007 - 4:17pm

The Sopranos

It's a bit fwightening for me.

David Hepworth | 1 November 2007 - 7:43pm

Me too

I have, however, been very pleased with their creator's new show, Mad Men, which has just finished in the US. T'internet's a powerful thing!

Mark Gould | 1 November 2007 - 8:06pm

Train

It's a good point Lucas makes - a friend mine was saying that his 50 minute commute has gone from being a royal pain in the arse to sacred time when he can count on reading the paper/book and listening to music in peace, without being interrupted, having volume turned down, asked to read stories/mow lawn etc. So now I embrace being stuck in traffic jams on M25. Preferably with a new Word podcast to listen to. Or even an old one! Actually, anyone know which one had Mark Ellen talking about Keef cutting his throat on the ornaments in his hair? I died with laughter at that and quite fancy a relisten. The Meatloaf and little meat pies HORA was a highlight too.

Twangothan | 2 November 2007 - 11:59am

Born To Run

Just recently I trained for and did a 10km run for Cancer Research, having previously been a bit exercise-phobic. I'd heard about the loneliness of the long distance runner, which seemed quite attractive; but what I hadn't realised is that many of my runs would become, as you say, sacred time during which I could listen to a whole album without interruption and as loud as I bloody well wanted to. Particularly leading up to the 10km run itself, when I was doing 40-50 minute runs: perfect album length! This is when I first listened to all of the new Bruce Springsteen album, and a couple of Word podcasts. I thoroughly recommend it as a way of forgetting that you're actually exercising.

Lucas Hare | 6 November 2007 - 12:53pm

Another brick in the trousers

I thought that the Baggy Trousers ex-kids got the idea for a bit of cash from the Brick in the Wall ex-kids. I might have imagined it. And I haven't seen the documentary either, so I'll shut up now.

Nick White | 1 November 2007 - 7:49pm

together in perfect harmony...

I hate to be the one to break it to Mark Ellen, but Paul McCartney wasn't in the studio with Michael Jackson during the recording of Ebony And Ivory... Do you want me to go on?

Ben Milne | 1 November 2007 - 8:46pm

Well....

I'm saying that Michael "baby dangler" Jackson wasn't in the studio at any time during the recording of Ebony & Ivory either.

I suspect for the same reason as Ben is alluding to above.

BonzoDog | 2 November 2007 - 1:08pm