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Nature vs nurture - have our music tastes been determined?

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In the 5 most overrated artists thread we seem to have fairly entrenched views that I doubt will change very much. Sorry, can't see me ever liking Springsteen.

To take another example, HJH are so much part of my DNA they can't be dislodged. Never liked the Stones, bar one or two tunes I could listen to more than once on a desert island. Part of this is due, I am sure to my mother. She possessed the vast majority of HJH albums, no Stones as she didn't like them. For a long time, I thought my preferences came from listening to those albums and singles at home an awful lot. There was little else she had I was interested in.

I only found out a few years ago that when I was born in 1969 the the midwife had to break my mother's waters. In order to distract the young woman (then 20, unmarried) who was clearly in distress, the midwife though they should sing something together, and suggested Yellow Submarine. Which they did.

Suddenly, it seemed pre-ordained, even from birth, that I should be so keen on Dirk & co.

Do other Massives have tales of bands you were born to like, or even seemed to inherit genetically?

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Nope.

There was no pop music in my house when I was a kid (until I was about 7, and me and my sister started buying records) but I do think that in itself had an effect: because I had to discover everything first hand, I had no real sense of received wisdom about pop. My dad was openly contemptuous of it, in fact. I sometimes wonder if that's the first root of my refusal to be too reverential about "the greats".

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Bob | 22 December 2011 - 8:20am

See, in some ways

starting from a tabula rasa in music tastes may be no bad thing. Then, you really respond to what you like.

Though presumably, Mr Bob, other influences came in, perhaps from bands who were taking off as you grew up? Friends?

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bogl | 22 December 2011 - 9:31am

Oh, definitely.

My big sister was the first influence, pop wise. Then friends and older brothers and sisters of friends.

I'm really not sure where my love of noise comes from. The two poles of my taste are noise at one end and chart pop at the other. As a small child, I suppose those would be represented by Guns N' Roses and the Now! albums respectively.

I am equally happy listening to Slint and Tiffany at this point. All I ask is concision: it's very rare for me to enjoy long winded music that isn't - for want of a better word - classical.

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Bob | 22 December 2011 - 9:46am

My Dad worked at EMI,

not the record division but the less well known electrical and radar division. However, every Friday was 'staff sales' where they were allowed to buy any EMI records for a fraction of the retail price and often much earlier than the formal release date. By the time 1960 came around I had 3 brothers. By the time the HJH were in their pomp ('63,'64) we were a four-piece, all under the age of eight, wielding tennis racket guitars around the reel to reel tape recorder. It was always going to be The Beatles. It just was.

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niallb | 22 December 2011 - 10:04am

Amazing to think of the devastation wrought to EMI

Eamon Forbes article was very good but never did the simple maths - billions of other people's money, and incalculable valuable intellectual property, pissed away by a vicious incompetent City bulldozer. The same type of people who'd already done for the electronics division you mention (and what the City did to Pilkingtons, ICI and Marconi is nothing short of plunder).

Oops sorry what was the OP about again?...

I inherited my aunts and uncles 45s and an old Dansette so I was listening to the mellower end of 50s pop, quite a lot of rock and roll, and the Fantabulosas almost from birth... amazing how much of that stuff kept coming back round as cover versions in the 70s.

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FakeGeordie | 22 December 2011 - 11:09am

This post has alarmed me

My daughter was born after 23 hours of appalled silence (mine) tempered only by a Coldplay album on continual repeat (the midwife's).
I've done my best ever since to undo the potential damage this may have caused my little girl, but have wondered whether she has a dormant Coldplay obsession. I'M WATCHING HER.

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katyg | 22 December 2011 - 10:09am

Eek

OTOH, my daughter was born to the strains of Music For Airports, which kept getting stuck. She shows no signs of responding much to that or the as-yet-undiscovered genre of glitch ambient.

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bogl | 22 December 2011 - 10:16am

For our first...

We had a couple of carefully crafted mix cds.

It was looking odds-on favourite for my son to be born to the superb sounds of the HJH but then the GLW suggested we switch to the other cd and Oktapod Junior arrived to Bowie's "Changes"...

Thus far, it has to be said, he's shown no real interest in listening to music, but does love to leap around like a thing possessed to anything that happens to be playing.

I shall attempt to thwart this unacceptable behaviour with a good dose of "Trout Mask Replica" :)

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oktapod | 23 December 2011 - 11:39am

In The Days Before Rock & Roll

There was plenty of music in our house when I was growing up, but none of it was rock & roll, because as far as the UK was concerned, it hadn't been invented yet.

That's probably why I know all the words to so many of those great jazz standards.

So while I can thank my parents for introducing me to so much wonderful film and show music, they played no part at all in my love of rock music. In fact they hated most of it.

It does give me a chance to post this though, one of Van's strangest and most evocative songs. And I can totally relate to every one of those long-forgotten names on the radio dial he mentions.

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mojoworking | 22 December 2011 - 11:23am

But Justin, Moje...

...where do you stand on Justin?

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Colin H | 22 December 2011 - 2:45pm

I'm ashamed to say

I'd never heard of Paul Durcan before this track Colin.

I like what I hear, though.

Perhaps you can give us a short summing up of the man and his importance in Ireland?

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mojoworking | 22 December 2011 - 2:57pm

Me?!?

...I was relying on YOU, Mojemeistermasterofminutiae!

frankly, I've no idea about the fellow!

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Colin H | 22 December 2011 - 3:06pm

Well, I assumed

he was a famous Irish poet Colin. Which is squarely in your area, I would have thought?

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mojoworking | 22 December 2011 - 3:08pm

Hmmmmm...

...I guess I've let you, and the rest of the Massive, down on this one, Moje. :-(

Poetry's a bit of a blind spot for me, I'm afraid. Generally speaking - and occasionally, of course, there are exceptions - it doesn't connect with me. I see the words on the page, I understand the points being made, the cleverness involved... but it rarely has any emotional impact for me.

I was, though, once at an artistic retreat for a week with an Irish poet called Colette Byrne and later bought two of her books - very striking wordsmith, I thought. But I can't really explain why.

Almost all of the music I listen to these days is instrumental. I suppose a psychologist would come to some conclusions about that.

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Colin H | 22 December 2011 - 3:18pm

Yes and no...

... my parents loved Sinatra and Ella - and, despite not wanting to hear them during my adolescence, love them now also. However, we were once driving through France (with them - my parents, not Frank & Ella) and were playing Homogenic by Bjork - when it finished my mum said "if you put that on again I'm walking the rest of the way".

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Formbyman | 22 December 2011 - 11:27am

That reminds me...

...of a balloon debate question I put to Mrs H a while back:

CH: 'If you were in a balloon with John McLaughlin, Jeff Beck and Derek ______ [notoriously boring local concert promoter], who'd be first out?

Mrs H (without hesitation): 'Me.'

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Colin H | 22 December 2011 - 2:50pm

My wife would have said...

... who the fuck's John McLaughlin?

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Formbyman | 22 December 2011 - 7:22pm

Whereas mine...

...having been dragged along to one of his concerts (during an exceptionally tedious/self-indulgent phase of his career) knows only too well.

I think I mentioned somewhere else around here that she popped into my 'home office' a week or two back - while I was posting some important information on fusion (probably) and listening some live Mahavishnu Orchestra (definitely) - with the immortal words, "What fresh hell is this?"

I have a feeling she knew McLaughlin would be involved in it.

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Colin H | 22 December 2011 - 7:31pm

My parents' records

were Scottish Country Dance Music.

I have an abiding aversion to this.

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PeteWingrave | 22 December 2011 - 11:43am

My mother was indifferenty to music

My father is a choir master and church organ player, with a taste for brass bands and, in my childhood, smooth pop in the Manhatten Transfer mold. A collection of types of music more likely to find me clutching my ears in horror is hard to imagine.

I think that was partly the point. Music was his escape from home and family and he would probably have been quite put out if any of the rest of us showed an interest. I'm not suggesting that he deliberately chose awful music to ward us off, but it may have been a subliminal influence.

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Gatz | 22 December 2011 - 2:43pm

The Band

I recently made a CD for my Dad's birthday of current music I was listening to as well as some older classics that I thought he may not have come across.
One of those I put on was The Weight by The Band. I am still not sure why I put it on as my dad has never mentioned them as a band he was into and they aren't really representative of what he normally likes. However something told me to put it on. Within about an hour of him receiving it and listening through the CD I got a call from him more animated and excited than I had ever heard him before (red wine may have been consumed!). It turns out that this song was the track that the DJ always closed with at the night club he used to attend religiously in the late 60s. He never knew who it was by (amazing I know!) and had never heard it in the 40 years since (even more amazing) but he was thrilled to hear it again after all those years.
I like to think that of all the songs I could have picked to put on the CD there was a reason that this was picked. He must have passed something on to me over the years without ever realising it.
Or it could just be that it is a stone cold classic that everyone should like!

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anth25 | 22 December 2011 - 2:25pm

It sounds like it was worth...

...the Weight!

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Colin H | 22 December 2011 - 2:47pm

That post...

Should have been followed by a cymbal! :) maybe a cymbal solo. Neither of my parents are especially into music, Bbc radio stoke was what I remember mostly then and indeed now. No idea where my obsession with music came from but certainly not from them. I am doing my best to foster an interest in my daughters as everybody needs an unhealthy obsession!

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daddyclark | 22 December 2011 - 3:14pm

There are always exceptions to the rule,

but it must be a bit of both.

You cannot help but be influenced by the music of your parents (for good or bad) & this stays with you forever. However, a large part of forming your own identity is in rebelling & discovering music for yourself.

My mum was younger than most & so had a constantly-updated collection of 7" whereas my dad was a brass band musician who loved classical & Queen. 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s & everything in between.

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andielou | 22 December 2011 - 3:27pm

my parents

didn't listen to any music as far as I can remember (nor was there a book in the house for that matter - cultural vacuum springs to mind) However, I was baby sat by stewpot and radio fab FM and eventually formed my own tastes. And oddly in later years developed a liking for the kind of Irish rebel songs I heard outside the Kilburn pubs my dad frequented.

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niscum | 22 December 2011 - 4:46pm

My father's favourite music...

...was this - http://www.musicscotland.com/cd/John-Mearns-Best-Of.html. I'm over the worst now, but still have the odd flashback!

To be fair to my dad, this was folk music in an old tradition, which I did come to appreciate in later life. But my formative years were spent listening to this stuff and it wasn't until I got my first transistor radio - c. 1960, that I was able to explore the world of music beyond the bothy ballads of Angus and Aberdeenshire.

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Gavin Adam | 22 December 2011 - 5:10pm

I don't think so

I wish you were right because I would love to know why we like what we like (and I assume a lot of record company executives would too!). The only thing I like that my father liked (my mother has never listened to music) is country but I didn't really start to like it until many years after he died and he was more a Jim Reeves man than a Hank Williams fan. The only thing that really stayed with me is the sound of a steel guitar which (in the shape of Hawaiian guitars) my father used to listen too a lot.
My younger brother (who was subjected to a lot of my music due to sgharing a room) has a different taste in music to me and my older sister has never liked "modern" music at all despite being a child of the sixties.

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JohnW | 22 December 2011 - 7:27pm

There was no music in our house apart from the radio...

So like some other posters I got my musical taste from a "ground zero" approach and thus anything other than what was available via Radio 1 or TOTP was discovered by recommendations from friends or reading Sounds and Record Mirror from 1979 onwards (expalins my love of NWOBHM!).

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Uncle Wheaty | 22 December 2011 - 8:14pm

Nah.

You have ears, a brain and a functioning soul. That's why you love NWOBHM! ;-)

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Bob | 22 December 2011 - 8:19pm

Bob, I think there's a misprint there...

...you typed THE MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA! but something went seriously wrong with your keypad and it came out NWOBHM!....

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Colin H | 22 December 2011 - 11:23pm
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