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Posted by Five-Centres on 5 May 2010 - 11:09am.
So who's brave enough to say who they're going to vote for tomorrow?
Who's undecided?
I was shocked by the amount of Tories who've revealed themselves at work in what I thought was an environment in which I would never, ever hear this. I'm sure there were secret Tories, but no one in polite company of a certain age and social type would ever have admitted that in the past. Seems things have changed.
I voted Labour last time but I'm not doing it this time. I'm going Lib Dem. I think.
So come on then...
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Lib Dem.
.
Should we be telling you?
I've no idea how a lot of people I know will be voting, my girlfriend included. In fact, my Grandma refused to ever tell my Granddad her voting allegiances and he died still never knowing who she supported.
I think you tend to find that art/media types (whether through occupation or general interest) are more left-leaning, so I'd be surprised if there were many Tories lurking on these boards.
I live in a very marginal constituency and as such, I'm quite excited - my vote could actually mean something.
There's a big difference between the essential
democratic principal that no one can see how you vote as you actualy physically vote and the British reluctance to say which way they vote after or before the event. I think people do tend to confuse the two very often.
My wife doesn't tell me either
And I don't press her (even though I am pretty sure I know who - a wasted vote round these parts).
I don't know
how my husband voted. He refuses to tell me.
FWIW, I have no idea how much he earns, either.
He's a rather private person, Mr Husband.
Would like ...
as ever to vote Labour but it's a waste of time where I live so will go Lib Dems to try to keep the smug boy out of Downing Street.
Not voting
As an ex pat of 10 years standing I don't have any interest in voting for the last place I voted in, I don't have any ties to that town and believe there should be a boundary change to add a constituency for ex pats.
Same weirdness here
I'm still allowed to vote in UK general elections if I want to. God knows why I should have a say in how other people are governed, but there we have it.
No taxation without representation should work the other way round too, shouldn't it? The Revenue haven't seen a penny from me for the last 22 years.
I can vote in two countries
and always do. Pay taxes in both so figure I should. Never voted for a Republican (big R) in my life but if I could find a republican (little r) to vote for here, I would. It's gonna be the Lib Dems getting my x here in west London
Same here
I've been out of the country for 17 years but don't take up my right to vote for the same reasons......
Labour
I shall be voting labour.
Have lived outside Britain for more than 15 years...
... so am not permitted to vote. Completely disenfranchised. Rather sad, really.
Labour and Glorious Gordon!
Gordon Brown made the right decisions on saving the banks and made the right decisions on staving off depression. Unlike the Tory recessions of the 80s and 90s, inflation, interest rates and, crucially, unemployment are lower.
His policies on dealing with the global crisis have been followed or matched around the world - only the Tories disagree. If the Tories had been in power thousands would have lost their savings in Northern Rock and Bradford and Bingley.
As for personality, which seems to matter so much in this election, I like the fact that Brown can be awkward and miserable in certain situations. It makes him seem more down-to-earth. I don't want a supermarket meet-and-greeter as a prime minister and these are serious times.
Dave Cameron, who bats his puppy dog eyes and says he loves our country, can't resist talking it down - warning of Greek-style debt disasters and IMF interventions. His comments no doubt affect the markets and our country.
Let's not forget the NHS was set up at the end of World War 2 when the country's debts were bigger.
And what of Dave's Broken Britain? When crime has gone down by a third since 1997? Look at the new schools and hospitals built under Labour.
As for Nick Clegg and the Liberals, it makes you wonder what impact his predecessor Charlie Kennedy would have had in the TV debates as he is someone with real personality.
Go Fourth for Labour!
A little bit of politics, thank you and goodnight!
Glorious Gordon?
I have nothing but admiration for someone who sees the world through such rose-tinted spectacles!
Speaking personally...
...I have more admiration for someone who can recognise the government's actual achievements than for the right-wing pile-on that's been going on in our media for the last couple of years.
The way some Tories talk, you'd think GB was Idi Amin. Or Thatcher.
I'm voting Lib Dem, as I've said above, but I'm not going to indiscriminately slate Labour out of partisan glee.
Labour
with a promise to get more involved in local politics/activism if they do get back in.
Probably Lib Dem
Although I was stirred by Gordon Brown's speech the other day. Anyway, it's all academic as I live in a strong Tory constituency and am reliably informed that I'm powerless against the little so and sos.
Jedward
..
Arf.
Have an arrer.
Labour without doubt
Oh wait a minute, Simon Cowell and Gary Barlow have told to go for Call Me Dave!!
That's that settled then!
that
sealed the deal for me too Labour it is
Labour.
Got nothing against the Lib Dems but I like Gordon. He generally gets the important things right and the trivial/PR stuff wrong. In time I've come to respect Darling too. God help us up here in the North of England if Dave wins.
Still vacillating.
Probably Lib Dem,although Green is tempting as I'm partial to a little Scritti Politti.
I don't really know what the issues are
I've never ever voted but this time, after the BNP success at the last elections, I thought I would. However yet again I've managed to see a lot of the coverage of the hustings and have absolutely no idea what anyone's policies are. I think the only thing I now know that I didn't at the start of the campaign is who the Lib-Dem leader is. There's no time now to work out who is best and I hate the idea that my random vote for one of the main parties effectively counts against someone who actually cares who wins. If my vote could be used to exactly negate one BNP vote then I would do it but otherwise I probably won't vote again. There's no point in telling me that if I don't vote then I can't complain because I won't complain, I thought our local MP was a Tory until I saw a Labour poster a couple of weeks back with his name on it! I don't have any idea how different the country might be if we had had a Conservative (or Liberal) government for the last few years and I don't really know how I would know. It feels a bit wrong to be so ambivalent about it when so many people are so passionate but it similarly seems odd to spend 4 weeks caring about policies that I don't give a thought to for the rest of the time.
Take head out
of arse, wipe eyes, look around at world.
Join in world.
Calm down
It's precisely the lack of posts like this that people come here to discuss stuff.
I can see what goes on around me but I'm not well read enough to know what political leanings are making a difference. For example, I know there are lots of holes in the roads but I don't know whether that's because of policies made by central government or local government about the where my money goes. I've never read a manifesto, I wonder how many people voting today have and if they haven't, do they actually know what they're voting for?
The World Wide Web is a magnificent thing but it has meant that it is easier for people like me to take an increasingly narrow (but deeper) view of the world. I read voraciously but whereas once I might have read a whole newspaper, now I'm more likely to read the same few sections of several newspapers. It's not a case of deliberately ignoring things, it's more a case of following my interests and then not having time to investigate things that I'm not really interested in.
With all..
the various forms of information at our fingertips these days I find it hard to believe that you have't got the time to get a pretty clear picture of the policies involved at both your local and govermental levels.
It's pretty hard to avoid being informed if you read your local and one non tabloid paper.
Deliberately avoiding it (as my wife tends to) is another matter altogether.
Easy to find but not hard to avoid
I agree completely that it's probably easier than it's ever been to get all the information I need to make a decision but I don't think it's hard to to avoid the information. In exactly the same way as it's easy to not hear popular music without trying (I've just checked and I think I've only heard one of the current top 10 and I've not even heard of 5 of them), it's easy to only see the things you're interested in. I read my local paper but it tends to deal with personalities and trivia rather than party politics. I don't read a daily national newspaper but I do read the Technology, Travel and Football sections from The Guardian, Times, Telegraph & Independent almost daily as well as reading large chunks from the "culture" sections of them all as well. If choosing one section equates to "deliberately avoiding" another then I'm guilty.
My original point was that in order to be informed it is indeed necessary to read the right stuff and it's entirely possible to reach election day without a clue what anyone stands for. I think 20 years ago that would not have been the case as I would have read most of my Sunday paper during the week (these days I only read the bits that I'm really interested in as there will be more news available on the Internet) and I would have got my daily news from News at 10. I'm not blaming anyone but myself, I'm just saying that, for someone like me that isn't really interested in the issues then they no longer get thrust under my nose.
Everything Olthwaite said up there
Labour - postal vote already in.
Conservative again
"no one in polite company of a certain age and social type would ever have admitted that in the past. "
Well I'm polite and have never had any issue with telling anyone who cares to listen that I vote Conservative.
Out of interest Five Centres what sort of place do you work that is so intolerant that people would find it awkward to admit voting for a mainstream national political party?.
In the media
not really known for its right wing leanings. Well not my bit anyway. I don't work on Red Pepper, but sometimes it's close enough. That's what I mean.
"I am a Conservative"
"I believe in the existence of God"
"I love Simply Red and Coldplay"
All hard to admit to these days.
I shall be voting.
I shall not be voting Conservative.
EDIT:- I followed Clegg's advice and followed my heart.
I voted Labour.
My voting habits are simple as ABC
Anyone But Conservative
So...
that makes my voting habits ABBNP.
Labour
with a heavy heart, and the hope Alan Johnson will soon be named Prime Minister of a coalition government
For many years...
...I didn't vote, having assumed the self-righteous and somewhat ignorant opinion that all politicians are corrupt, and therefore that my participation in the political process was a pointless act. One day it occurred to be me that if the only product of this militant idealism was my apathetic whining, then maybe it would be a good idea to make best use of the democracy we had while hoping for better in the future.
Since then I have always voted Liberal Democrat. Although I would like to think that I am above party politics the truth is that, having grown up and developed a social conscience during the Thatcher era, it be very difficult for me to vote Conservative, even though our family was ideally placed to benefit from their policies. I am sure there are people who grew up during the Blair era who have similar feelings about the Labour Party.
Rochford and Southend East has been a conservative safe seat for decades. It's currently held by the loathsome James Duddridge - a man whose only discernible talent, as far as I can see, is the ability to sniff out photo opportunities, position himself prominently in the frame and then bask in the reflected glory of other people's hard work and achievements. Come Friday he will still be our local MP, but I will be happy if he comes away with a dent in his majority.
Speaking as Southend Westie
We're lumbered with David Amess him of Stranger-Dangergate - shame that little backfire never made a bigger media splash
http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/news/8131736.Mums_slam_Amess_for_schoo...
I'll never vote Tory. I remember all too clearly the 80s boom and bust, repossesions, negative equity, Poll Tax, privatisation of public services, the crippling of union representation.
But what to do tomorrow? I've always been Labour, and can't bring myself to vote anything else tactically or not at a national level.
Not Lib-Dem.
Our MP, Mike Hancock, has come out in favour of homeopathy, signing an EDM to this effect. I had an exchange of emails with him and he still supports it.
That's my vote for him gone in the bin.
I might vote Tory, but the candidate's got an annoying name.
That would sway me.
Very hard to vote for a self-avowed fuckwit. ;-)
Hmm - I see your dilemma
On the right - Flick Drummond. I'm sorry but I just couldn't vote for a grown woman calling herself Flick. And her old man is called Hereward. It's something from Jeeves & Wooster.
And yet on the left - Les Ferrett. Even Private Eye would hesitate to give that name to a Labour MP.
And then there's Mr DuCane of the English Democrats .....
Don't vote Try Len. They won't respect you in the morning.
It's a rock and a hard place job.
Ms Drummond has yet to knock on my door but I'll wager she's really, really annoying.
Well Seb
If you can't imagine what sort of place Five-Centres works in that might suggest that you move in different circles than some of us.Some of us remember what it was like to be on the receiving end of the Tories tender mercies and frankly the thought of being governed once again by that lot of snake oil salesmen fills me and I'm am sure others with a mounting sense of dread.Thanks though for helping me to finally make up my mind,ignore my previous post.Labour for all their failings will get my vote once again.Pip Pip Old Bean.
Yawn
Not sure what I said that led to that reply. Nice to know you are going to vote.
Maybe I do move in different circles, one where the election has barely featured as a topic of conversation beyond a few moans. One where we respect or take the piss out of each other's views on just about every subject imagineable. Where people can be themselves and aren't worried about conforming to some social norm.
I think I prefer my world.
Yep...
... that's a Tory voter's reply if ever I saw one.
Always with respect.
If the Election is barely of Interest to you and your chums why post on the subject?
Maybe It was not my place to seek to defend Five-Centres from what I took from your tone to be a typical back of the hand,faintly patrician Tory attitude.Which I will be honest makes my gorge rise.
I don't know you and you most certainly don't know me,If you did you would understand that conforming to any social norm is not my bag.
As for your world,If it resembles the travesty forced upon us the last time the Tories were in power you are welcome to it.I'll endeavour to not join in.
Another thing to thank you for though,my GLW hasn't stopped laughing at the thought of a Tory laying claim to non-conformity and I do so love to hear her laugh.Cheers!
You are referring to me?
I certainly never said I wasn't interested in politics. I do find proper policy debate of interest but find the whole campaigning malarkey toecurling.
As for the office today the General Election came well behind the City/Spurs game as the subject of heated debate, but it did engage a few more than those of us who were discussing the best festivals to attend this summer (I'm off to Latitude and possibly End of Road btw subject to Mrs Beach signing off the authorisation).
There are only a few obvious subjects that are off limits at my regular place of employment and that's the way I like it. I wouldn't wish to work in a place where anyone felt inhibited from expressing an opinion from whatever part of the political divide and am genuinely surprised that this occurs.
Perhaps if you reread my past posts you will see there is no claim to non conformity on my part, although I suspect I would challenge your comfy notions of the typical Conservative voter.
I am pleased your better half enjoyed her laugh. I trust it was as hale and hearty as the one I will enjoy when we finally see Brown, sometime on Friday morning, comprehending the disaster he has been to the Labour Party.
I refer the Honourable Member to my previous answer.
By which I stand,If you re-read your own posts you may begin to see why these conclusions were drawn from what you infer and your general tone.If my understanding of your position has been in any way erroneous I of course apologise,Sorry got to go now,Mrs.Pencilsqueezer is choking with laughter at your lack of self-awareness.Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.Peace out.
Conservative & Unionist
Not that it will make a blind bit of difference over here in "bigotland".
I'm not voting Labour
and that's from someone who was a member of the Labour Party not long ago. I just have lost all confidence in Brown. Under Blair he was a prudent Chancellor but as soon as he became close to being PM he started to splash the cash at completely the wrong moment.
I wouldn't mind but he didn't seem to know what he was spending the money on. He threw billions at the NHS only for a lot of the doctors and GPs to vote themselves huge pay rises on top of an already healthy salary. I'm tired of people in the public sector moaning about the level of their pay rise when many of us in the private sector haven't even had one for years.
Liberal Democrat
...although I live in the safest of safe Tory seats.
I would never vote Conservative, but perhaps for fairly blinkered reasons. I just see the nasty party of the 80s and that's the way they will always be, to me. Maybe I need to accept that the world, and the Tories, have moved on since then. Clearly it's a different party now.
But then again, as the columnist Gary Younge said yesterday, the young David Cameron must have looked at the apartheid-supporting, Section 28-introducing, minority-demonising Tories and thought: "these are my people"...
And Labour won't be an option for me for some time. I took a vow never to vote Labour until everyone associated with the war had left office. That means not just Blair but anyone in government at the time. I feel certain there must have been Cabinet members who disagreed or at the very least felt uncomfortable with the decision to go to war but, for the sake of their own careers, kept schtum.
Lib Dem for me
I live in a constituency were the current Labour MP has a slender majority over the Lib Dem candidate.
On local issues our Lib Dem candidate has been active in campaigns to save our local Post Office and some NHS facilities from closure- which gets a big thumbs up from me.
Also, the ever handy www.theyworkforyou.com, shows the Labour incumbent to have a voting record that manages to go against a lot of the things I believe (and things that I still struggle to believe that a Labour government would stand for). The edited highlights:
Voted strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws.
Voted very strongly for introducing ID cards.
Voted moderately for allowing ministers to intervene in inquests.
Voted strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war.
not for the winner
If my track record since 1980 holds true - never once voted for the winning candidate. I am clearly out of step with the places I live.
Around here the incumbent has a 442 vote majority, largely because the BNP and UKIP will not field a candidate against him. I am voting Labour as usual, but hope enough people will tactically do the same (even if holding their noses) to make a change.
100%
My not so proud record continues. Labour were spanked.
I have a long memory
that reminds me of how miserable it is to live under a Conservative government. I'm voting LibDem and hoping for a Labour/ Libdem coalition with a new PM. And a new electoral system by the time the next election comes around.
Not asking for much then.
(and yes, that is my real name down there)
My sentiments as well
Lib Dem for me
I've changed my mind and I am going to vote...
but I'm not going to say who for.
Clue: It's not Labour or the Conservatives.
I'm in the minority here
but I'll be voting Conservative - they will be handed a poisoned chalice.
I have voted Labour in the past but Gordon Brown is just a disaster - history won't even give him credit for being an able Chancellor when the true state of the economy is revealed.
It's going to be close and if the Labour government had any sense they would have replaced Brown some time ago. Alistair Darling or Alan Johnson may have just seen them home.
I'm just praying Ed Balls gets his "Portillo moment". Perhaps the only man in the Cabinet who is even more odious than Gordon Brown.
Minority? Not sure ...
There's a tradition of "shy tories", and you can understand why - so many on the left are desperate to turn any debate into a personal exchange of vitriolic molotov cocktails over the barricades.
Personally, I'm a free market libertarian - *ought* to be a liberal, but they betrayed their party's roots sometime after the corn laws.
The puerile class-warrior approach that the Labour party and its acolytes adopt (see above and below) just demonstrates their unsuitability to ever govern for all. The sad fact is that there is no such thing as a "one-nation" labour supporter, and there never will be because the party was and is built on the *separacy* of "Labour" as opposed to the the exploitative owners of capital.
Oh yeah, that and the fact that they are all wankers.
Yah boo sucks.
Lib Dem here
despite the fact with Theresa May as my MP it won't make much difference to her majority
I'm hoping that a hung parliament might shake things up a bit and that Dick, err I mean, Nick Griffin gets his arse handed to him in Billy Braggs old stamping ground
Lib Dem
I live in an ultra-safe Tory seat so it's a vain attempt at a tactical vote to keep WebDave and his cronies out. By conscience I'd be Green but that would be a wasted vote. As a public sector worker a vote for Dave would mean giving my apparently gold-plated pension to Mr Osbourne and my kids education to Mr 'literally-chinless' Gove. And myself out of a job.
Still not 100%
but it'll probably be Labour...
I've been a Labour man all my life, but am still finding it hard to forgive them for the war(s). Voting for the Lib Dems seems like the sensible thing to do, but my heart wouldn't really be in it. I can't imagine myself ever voting Tory, but that's just not an issue up here in Liverpool.
To add to the national flavour there are some interesting issues locally. I live in the constituency in which Luciana Berger is the Labour candidate (Liverpool Wavertree). She's the one who so upset Ricky Tomlinson by not knowing who Bill Shankly was... She is undoubtedly a career politican, but everything I've seen of her so far suggests that she'd do a good job. The Liberal on the other hand has made lots of grandiose claims in his literature (he helped to save the local paediatric burns unit, which he patently did not; he's saved "hundreds" of GP surgeries from closing in the constituency when there are only 104 in the whole of Liverpool; he helped play a part in the release of Michael Shields, which Shields' parents have denied; etc.)
I think I'll hold my nose and vote Labour again...
I live in the next door constituency
where Louise "job for life" Ellman has only bothered to put out one leaflet, in which she implies that she built the new Arena in Liverpool - so it's not only the Lib Dems who are making exaggerated claims. It would be nice to see her majority seriously dented (at present rate of attrition, the seat will be Lib Dem in around 2025), though I expect the only claim to fame Liverpool Riverside will have this time is to have the lowest turnout for the third consecutive general election
Screaming Lord Sutch we need you!
I'm there at 7 a.m. but I'm still technically a floating voter.
However, the litter-strewn five minute walk to the polling station will probably push me towards the Greens (it did last time).
Whilst always liking his music, I miss Screaming Lord Sutch more now than ever.
I don't think I appreciated him enough in this lifetime though.
Wish I could vote for him tomorrow.
Lib Dem
probably. I'm in the 388th most marginal seat in the country, with the same sitting Tory incumbent who hasn't even bothered to get out on the stump. There again, he does have 12 other jobs (according to the register of interests), so I suppose he would find getting the time off difficult.
I'm ABC as well - I'd vote Labour if it would hellp but it will change nothing. I'm sick of this first past the post "democracy" - almost to the point of not voting. As one of the polling guru's pointed out last night, around 20,000 voters will determine who gets in, as this is what they think will tip the balance in the c120 marginal seats. Even worse, when asked, around 70% of voters in the marginals were unaware of just how critical their vote was.
Bad Moon Rising
Nobody wants a bad government; nobody wants the country to fail; but everyone tends to privilege their own interests. All well and good.
But sometimes you read something that makes you nod your head so vigorously that it’s in danger of falling off. Matthew Parris in The Times the other day did it for me.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/artic...
David Hepworth wrote somewhere recently about the unforeseen factors, ‘events’, being what dominated the life of a government. Oddly, what will dominate the next isn’t unseen at all. It’s just been swept under the carpet. Listening to a vox pop on BBC breakfast news yesterday, I was spluttering in disbelief as a series of voters lined up to berate politicians of all stripes for ‘not telling the truth’ or ‘avoiding questions’. Well (and do the voice in your head here), we can’t handle the truth. If any of them came close to telling us the truth their poll numbers would have gone down the tubes.
Maybe I’ve got a Cassandra complex, but I’ve been telling everyone around me for a couple of years that there’s a bad moon rising. Far as I can see, there are two possible futures. Look at Greece, take a whole bunch of similar measures, make them as sensibly as you can, and hope that’s enough. That’ll be bad, by the way. The second is simply Greece redux.
I’m a teacher. I know pay freezes are on their way. I know redundancies are in the pipe. I’ll be okay (I think); others won’t. I’ll have sympathy for them, but I won’t strike. Because it won’t make a jot of difference.
Where will I put a cross? Genuinely don’t know, to be honest. (Safe Labour seat, anyway.) But I’m not kidding myself that a left-leaning government is going to stop any of the above happening. In fact, there’s a compelling argument to be made that, long-term, a Tory government may prove more palatable to the markets and assuage some of the more disastrous possibilities.
But that’s nothing more than guesswork. And so, frankly, is everything else.
Don't panic,
Captain Spaulding! Don't panic!
Excellent Post
We are living in a country where the state is borrowing a quarter of everything it spends with no clear plans being offered by anyone as to how they are going to clear this debt. If any government tries to get to grips with this then I fear they will be out of power for a very long time as most people don't seem to accept the deep shit we are in.
Good stuff from Matthew Parris, formerly my local MP, decent bloke, keeps llama and enjoys a pint of Hartington. All excellent qualities imho.
And his biography ...
.. is a hoot. Funniest political memoir since John "Dancer" Sargeant
Vote for Pedro
you know it makes sense
If one of the candidates did a dance like that
I'd vote for them.
Top scene. Top film!
Except the damn clip's a remake
now here's the original!
That`s done it
I`m voting for Pedro
Oh dear
I play too much World of Warcraft...
Voting tactically
... but ABC.
Is Cameron Really Able To Control The Mob Behind Him???
For all the PR spin I don't believe anything he says. The wife has a friend - old work colleague who is a Hang Em Flog them old school Tory MP. A recent local news item had the Ukip guy saying if you don't vote for me vote for him (x)cos he believes in coming out of the Euro. Cameron was asked to comment and said "Oh no (x) doesn't believe that he follows the Party line." - Oh no he doesn't and I'm sure many more don't.
Oh and ...
..I'll be voting Labour.
Right Leaning Liberal
so undecided between Lib Dem & Dave.
Erring towards Lib Dem (for example: intention for Electoral Reform, seemingly the only party with a thought-out environment policy .. and the local candidate is blonde)
24 hour to go - its make your mind up time
Labour for me...
I've just spent the best part of an hour or so looking at the party priorities on the BBC website -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8515961.stm#subject...
On a personal level Labour will (hopefully) be the best for my family (2 NHS employees, 2 young children). More broadly, I'm a socialist. I just wish Labour still were too. Boom tish.
Cheer up chaps!
Oh - and I'll be going for our incumbent (Labour) cos' he does a decent job!
My MP
is the twunt formerly known as Gideon Osborne, heir to the posh wallpaper firm valued at over £1 billion with an estimated personal wealth of £4.3million (yet his only job has been an MP). He gained over 50% of the vote in the last General Election. Voting tactically is not an option here. I was going Lib Dem, but some of the above posts by Olthwaite and Sebastian Beach, among others, have persuaded me to vote Labour.
Notice
how his profile in this campaign has been lower than a convicted paedophile let out on licence. If the Tories are pushing the chinless Gove as more palatable how bad is Osborne?
A colleague was at a coference a couple of weeks back and Gove was, in conversation, fairly clear about his priorities. The widening participation policies for university entry my colleague was charged with would be removed because, as Gove told them, "I don't have a liberal bone in my body".
Yeah, pull the fucking ladder up behind you mate. Twunt.
vote?
I live in one of the Glasgow constituencies.
I exaggerate only a little when I say that, if they filled a rusty bucket with horse manure and stuck a red rosette on it, it would be elected as a Labour MP. My vote, in effect, means nothing.
I won't be voting for any of the mainstream parties; they have all failed us and are clearly incapable of fixing what is wrong. My vote will be for the least-worst candidate on show. A feeble protest perhaps, but they don't give us a 'none of the above' option.
Having said all that, I'm amazed that anyone can look at Balls, Milliband, Harman and co. and think that they deserve another five years in government. Enough, already.
A pal of mine
used to live in Great Ayton in the mid 90s, which falls within the Richmond constituency of William Hague. He said that you could stand a cow there and it would get a 15000 majority. At the time Hague's was around 5000
I'll be voting for my incumbent MP as he's done a good job
over the last 5 years. I couldn't care less what party he represents; it's the results he gets that interest me.
Conservative.
Blair was wrong about nearly everything, incompetent, economically illiterate, economic with la verite and the worst PM in my lifetime. In fact, since WW2.
Brown handled the banking crisis well but most other things badly and is the 2nd worst PM since WW2. (And considering I'm rating both Heath and Callaghan above this pair, that's a savage indictment.) He's also told too many lies: I refuse to believe they were honest mistakes he had to belatedly and half-heartedly apologise for later. Further, voting Brown means electing Mandelson - whose grandfather must be turning in his grave to see a man who has had to resign twice be made a life peer in order to serve as an unelected member of the government.
Clegg seems a top class individual and there are a few top class people around him. It's tempting but I'm not sure they would know how to govern.
Cameroon seems callow but still better than the alternatives.
You aren't voting for an individual
you are voting for a party.
Err... I think you'll find you ARE voting for an individual
when you put your mark next to the candidate you want to elect as your Member Of Parliament.
An individual that represents a party
and ergo a set of distinct ideological values.
You cant vote for an individual and dislocate that individual from these.
or maybe you can.
In which case...
Not at all...
I vote for my MP based on what he's been able to do for the community he represents.
I don't particularly care about the party ideology and would vote for him irrespective of his party affiliation.
Which is
an entirely valid reason if he's been a good MP.
Dont care about party ideology?
so...because he has been good for your local community, you would vote for him even if he were BNP?
Im guessing you wouldnt.
unless he is an independent candidate - surely by being a party representative he has ideological roots in his parties credo?
Otherwise, why is he a member?
I think the key word there is
community, which I think excludes anyone who would actively discriminate against a section or sections of it, so bye bye to the BNP on that one. I don't necessarily agree with stimpy's reasons for voting that way, but they are perfectly valid reasons for doing so.
Maybe he does have "ideological roots in his parties credo"
or maybe he doesn't, I haven't asked him. All I know is he does a great job representing the interests of his constituents.
I don't know how his beliefs conform to the letter of his party's underlying ideology and, frankly, I don't care as it makes bugger all difference to his performance as our MP.
I can't see how his view of (say) the war in Iraq or (say) bankers bonuses has any direct impact on his work as a constituency MP and have precious little influence on 99% of his work. There are more pressing issues that his constituents need raising.
Which also means
George Osborne as Chancellor; a man who struggles to find his arse with an atlas.
Be afraid. Be very afraid
Now that's radical ...
What about Eden? Hung around for ages became PM when his long-standing predecessor resigned, then screwed up big-time.
Does this sound familiar ? - admittedly, he did win an election before the massive cock up of Suez, and he DID acquit himself admirably in arguing against appeasement.
I believe that history will judge Brown more harshly than Blair - his main failing being indecisiveness, which I don't think Tony could be accused off.
Heath was the worst PM I can think off. I think Brown will be judged more harshly by the left for destroying his party's future than for the undoubted damage he has done to all our finances.
Conservative for me.
Blair Hate
There is a lot of hatred towards Tony Blair - but saying that everything he did was wrong is just a kneed jerk reaction. In the (very) long run probably the first thing New Labour did will turn out to be the most significant - devolution and reform of the House of Lords. You can argue about the pros and cons, personally I think the House of Lords needs to go further, but they will still be part of the political landscape in 100 years.
HoL reform illustrates exactly why Blair was wrong:
he didn't reform it! He tinkered with it but left it basically the same institution it was before. To call it "reform" sums up Blair: all show, no substance.
I think it should be radically reformed. Any democracy needs 2 chambers. Calling our the Lords doesn't help, with it's connotations, but the real reform will be to radically review the composition, purpose and relationship of both Houses.
And the other thing they did ...
was give control of the interest rate to the Bank of England.
Good decisions, both.
And
split responsibility for managing the financial process across the Bank of England and the SFA so no one had sufficiant authority to control things when danger lurked - the rest is history. Nice job Gordon, that triangulation trick never fails.
Theresa Mary May
is my MP.
And still will be on Friday morning. I live in a bullet-proof Conservative enclave and that's that.
However I shan't have voted for her. I've been Labour since I was 18 but I'm just not sure what the Left really represents anymore.
Whoever takes the reins needs to protect the NHS (lest we forget a unique jewel in our national crown) and social care. That's all I really ask.
Dem' Lib Dems
Politics : anyone but Tories
Footy : anyone but Rangers (bloody Berwick!)
Always voted Labour despite living in Newbury, an even Lib Dem/Con split. However, with the Libs recent surge and the genuine chance of a hung parliment, I've already put my postal vote in for the Cleggmeister. Hopefully it'll be a Lib / Lab coalition that gets in, gets PR in, ditches the Trident replacement and ID cards, and also results in a Krystalnacht for the worst of Labour's MPs : Blears, Straw, Milliband Senior. Maybes get Alan Johnstone and Cruddus in as PM and Dep PM. Good times! (hopefully)
..... and then the Tories decide to ditch Cameron for his failure, hopefully all recorded and broadcast in full fat HD! I want that camera lense right in there reet up close in his moisturised face to capture his nonplussed, upset fizzog!
BR
FT
Lib Dem
and hoping for a hung parliament and electoral reform. Coalition governments can work despite all the scaremongering. I've got my fingers crossed that the Tories don't get a working majority as I have an innate mistrust of them.
By the way, well done Spurs!
I would vote Plaid Cymru if I could
but my vote will be wasted as usual
Wouldn't it be faintly amusing
in its own small way
if #toomanytweetsmakeatwat trended well today on Twitter?
Labour
I am voting Labour. The Tories scare me.... Phillipa Stroud - Tip of the iceberg!
Absolutely
Let Cameron in and I fear religious fundamentalism are just a step behind.
I voted Labour
in a marginal constituency ABC
Reluctant Labour
I am reluctantly voting Labour to keep the Tories out. I've no real enthusiasm for Brown's lot but they're the only realistic option of preventing a Conservative win where I live.
I was slightly cheered about my decision by this line in a piece in today's Independent:
First, we have to remember that, as Noam Chomsky says: "Choosing the lesser of two evils isn't a bad thing. The cliché makes it sound bad, but it's a good thing. You get less evil."
I like that quote
"Choosing the lesser of two evils isn't a bad thing. The cliché makes it sound bad, but it's a good thing. You get less evil.
I don't feel so bad about wanting Chelsea to win the FA Cup final now....
not the choice I'd like
I'd like to vote Green but there is no candidate in my constituency.
So it will be Lib Dem like it was in 2005.
Interesting views
and perhaps a good case study in why we ought to move to proportional representation.
Conservative and proud
Because there's no reason not to.
Any argument against them seem to focus on Cameron being posh and/or smug. Which is exceptionally childish and petulant. Even in the world of politics. That's like saying I won't buy Fairtrade "because the posh people do", rather than "it makes working conditions slightly better for people in extreme poverty".
Erm? Clegg is related to an old Danish king. And was the smuggest of the lot after winning the first TV debate.
Brown? The possibility is just too depressing for words of more bin taxes and covert undermining of the Christian faith.
And as to our involvement in the EU and (under Clegg) the euro? Erm... Greece? Has no one been paying attention.
I would love to be a liberal or a socialist. I really would. But the lib dems have some terrifying policies and socialism is a utopian ideal which is never fully achievable due to man's intrinsic selfishness.
So Conservative it must be for lack of any other alternative. (Even if only for 5 years)
No reason not to?
The fact that in Europe they have chosen to align themselves with the most unpleasant right wing parties just to appease the rabid anti-europe sentiments of the hidden real face of the party is a good place to start.
So you are 'Proud' of how you intend to vote
'for lack of any other alternatives'?
Doesn't take much to make you proud, does it?
Speaking as a posh, smug person...
...I'd like to make clear that's not at ALL why I wouldn't vote Tory. There are many reasons for that, among which:
1) I remember them from last time;
2) Gideon as Chancellor? Do me a favour;
3) They're even more in hock to corporate special interests than the rest;
4) I remember them from last time;
5) Cameron is a thin veneer of social acceptability. Many, many of their candidates are still the red-faced, xenophobic loonies of yore.
6) They deeply mistrust the public services and will do whatever they can to stick the boot in;
7) I REMEMBER THEM FROM LAST TIME.
Obviously, you should vote your conscience. I have no problem with you voting Tory if that's what you want to do. I just didn't want to let you get away with the ill-founded class warrior charge.
In the interests of balance...
I remember them from last time as well. It was the time when I was looking to buy into a studio as a business venture. The economic climate was very supportive of people setting up that sort of business and I suspect I wouldn't have been so successful under the current government.
My point is, every government has it's strengths and weaknesses and I can't see that the Labour adminstration has, all things considered, been any better or worse than the last Conservative administration.
Speaking as a working class, ordinary person...
1) I remember Labour from this just ended time.
2) Ed Balls or whoever's his current favourite as Chancellor with Brown pulling the strings? Do me a favour.
3) They're even more in hock to Trade Union special interests than the rest.
4) I remember Labour from this just ended time.
5) (I don't do personal insulsts.) Many of their candidates are still the left wing, old-fashioned socialist / trade union / anti-business militants of yore.
6) They mistrust private enterprise and want to regulate everything but take responsibility for nothing.
7) I remember Labour from this just ended time.
Obviously, you should vote with your conscience. I have no problem with you voting Labour if that's what you want to do. I just didn't want to let you get away with the ill-founded class warrior charge.
Labour mistrust private enterprise?
Snort. They've been (too) easy on the (large corporate) private sector since day one.
Also, I didn't make a class-warrior charge. And I didn't vote Labour anyway.
Other than that, neatly done. You're wrong, but neatly done.
;)
Snort?
Utter rubbish. They may have been soft on The City, but Gordon Brown's love of complicated tax law and the largely pointless legislation this government has introduced on an almost daily basis has not been great for businesses, big or small.
We're clearly not going to agree.
I would say that you have your partisan blinkers on, but doubtless you'll say the same of me, despite my having made clear, several times, that I've not voted Labour.
When I say that Labour have been too easy on business, I mean that they have allowed the business lobby unprecedented and dangerous access to the shaping of public policy. Just look at what's happened to education in the name of "shaping students for the workplace".
And I still don't understand where you got the class-warrior accusation from, in mirroring my earlier post. I was originally taking issue with badger_king's assertion that people who have a problem with Cameron are just having a go at him because he's posh, which was as lazy a stereotype as the one he was seeking to debunk.
I'm not sure how your attempt to turn that around on me really worked.
A tad unfair, I concede,
and no insult meant... as you say, basically I was mirroring your post. Although I think stereotyping Tory candidates the way you did is a bit class warrior-ish! Anyway, we'll soon know the result and see if there's any real change, whatever the outcome.
"man's intrinsic selfishness."
The Tory credo in a nutshell methinks
Straw Man
My reasons for not voting Conservative have nothing to do with the priviledged background of their leader.
As a working class family man on an average income with young children, I simply feel that I'd be better off under Labour.
Wow
that's possibly the scariest thing I've ever read on here. Can we have the down arrow back?
Aye Aye Captain
.
Scary why?
Because I have a different opinion? Isn't that what the Massive is about?
I don't like Steely Dan. I like Coldplay. But I also like D1, Wiley, Mingus, Autechre and many others. It's a difference of opinion. It doesn't make my opinion scary surely?
For what it's worth...
Even as a labour voter I don't think your post was 'scary' in the slightest, though I disagreed with a lot of it.
There seems to be a tendency on both sides to exaggerate the effects of the other's policies or views, to almost apocalyptic levels.
Apart from when there's no election
Then people complain that Labour have gone to the right, the Tories to the left, and you can't tell the difference any more.
Sorry Badger
of course I respect you opinion. What scares me is the lack of substance you offer to back it up.
If someone says they're "Conservative and Proud" I'd like to believe they'd go on to explain - this is off the top of my head - that the Tories have a more compelling fiscal plan, would reduce the burden of regulation on business and individuals and have a better understanding of 'Britishness' than their rivals. Or something like that; I wouldn't agree but I'd accept the view.
But you offer up the view (and here I'm going to reduce your argument ad absurdum simply because it might help you spot the weakness of it) that Clegg is a bit posh and Brown is insufficiently pious; that Europe is nasty and Labour will tax bins - and on this basis you will vote Conservative as there's no other choice.
What you've done there is confirm my fear that if the Conservatives are elected, we'll be governed by people who think like that. And that's why I said it was scary.
and have you *seen* the front page of the Sun today?
Now that really is seriously scary. If anyone takes their poisonous proselytising seriously ever, ever, ever again they need certifying. Even if they change sides again.
Comparing Cameron to Fair Trade
has to be the funniest thing I've ever read on this website.
And people don't just dislike him because he's posh. Tony Benn's posh, the Queen's posh, Genesis are posh and people like them.
In the Bulligdon Club
all Dave and George did was trash restaurants. Just imagine the japes they'll have when they can do it to a whole country.
Simply Red, Coldplay, Genesis
Why do people always pick the blandest music in relation to the middle right?
The Cameron / Fair Trade thing was meant to be light hearted and flippant. I didn't think I'd have the Red Wedge rejects out in force decrying my every word as heresy...
In light of the fact
that just over one person in twenty now takes part in Christian worship every week in the UK, I think it's a bit ripe to lend Gordy the credit for undermining your faith; the rest of us are doing that very well without anyone's help at the moment, thank you very much.
Yes that is correct
But in not allowing Christians to express their faith on a similar level to others (i.e. Nurses having to cover up crosses or vicars being pilloried for refusing to marry gays) is surely to do with the system of liberal equality set up by New Labour which has inadvertantly started to infringe upon the rights of certain individuals?
For example, if an atheist registrar refused to marry gays would they be sacked? Probably not. Or someone from another faith wearing some symbolic adornment? Would that be banned from the workplace too? No. I'm not asking to be made an exception, I'm asking why it is that Christians seem to get put down for their faith in a way that other people don't.
"Animal Farm" famously has the line in it "some are more equal than others". I didn't think that was intended to be a manifesto.
Never discuss politics or religion
That just leaves football then.
But I can't let this pass without comment. Any registrar refusing to marry anyone, of any faith or sexuality will be sacked if there is no legal reason for refusal. The precedent is there already, from the Christian registrar who refused to marry a same sex couple. It was re-enforced in the recent case of a Relate councillor refusing on the same grounds. These rulings are not "Christian only" - they will apply to any beliefs being used in a prejudicial way.
Privately held beliefs are fine. Expressing them in public in a non prejudicial way - no problem at all. What does bother me is when such belief systems look likely to enter politics, as they will with Chris Grayling and Philippa Stroud, whose homophobic views I find abhorrent.
Er, there's plenty reason not to
Especially if you don't neatly fall into the Tory ideal of being white, middle-class, heterosexual, cis gender, TAB and earning at least £50,000 per annum. With a nice 4 bed semi and at least 2 small children.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/poverty-and-injustice-in-d...
(I'm not going to piss about with hyperlinks because I usually mess it up and banjax the internets)
If you want to live in a word where elderly folks are left to take care of themselves, regardless of whether they can or not, just as one example, go ahead and vote Tory. They really are the party of 'I'm alright, Jack'.
White / Heterosexual / Ultimately poor
Sorry to nix that, but I did vote conservative in Portsmouth North, it went from Labour to Conservative. Clearly I was not the only one to do so.
Yes I'm white. Yes I went to a grammar school. But I never paid. My mum was too poor to afford the fees. I got in at 11 and because I achieved such a high mark in the entrance exam, the school offered to waive my fees.
I have been "poor" my whole life. Fiscally speaking at least. I'm currently earning less than 8000 a year. Paying rent and supporting only myself. My bank balance could be described as "minimal". I haven't met the supposed criteria of a (fairly rich) middle class person that is the supposed supporter of the Tories.
Grammar schools are, I believe, great, because at the moment, not all state schools can provide the same level of education (though don't get me wrong, I know that some do). It offered me a brilliant alternative to the very mediocre public schools that were in Portsmouth. The tories supported them, and as far as I'm aware still do (for the moment).
I also agree with the party that there needs to be a cap on immigration. We are a small island. When are people going to learn that just limiting the number of immigrants doesn't mean you're a racist, just logical?
That's a shame
Sarah McCarthy-Fry was a good, locally-rooted MP.
So's Mike Hancock.
He lives round the corner from my practice.
But he's a supporter of homeopathy.
Knobber.
Mind you, arch-sceptic and supporter of all things logical and evidence-based Dr Evan Harris has lost his seat. But he's a knobber as well. Nothing to do with his beliefs. He's just a knobber.
Don't agree
Evan Harris was my MP until I moved away, and he had a track record of doing a reasobale job on behalf of his constituents. He helped secure the abolition of the common law offence of blasphemous libel, and has always been a strong advocate for gay and lesbian rights.
From what I can see on the Tory party website his replacement - Nicola Blackwood - has no previous experinece of either political office or business, but she does have a PhD in music and can sing a bit, so that's bound to come in useful.
Evan's a fine MP and has done a great job.
But he's a knobber. I've met him on numerous occasions and this has been my overwhelming impression.
Logical
You have to smile when a religious man uses that word.
What would God make of your views on immigration, Badger? Should we keep the poor out of our mansions? Should we build barriers to keep them away from our riches? Leave them to their famine and disease, wars and plagues? Is that charity? Is that compassion? (Forgive me - I've been listening to too many rhetorical speeches this week.)
Sorry to keep picking on you, it's absolutely not personal. It's just that I find your views fascinating.
I suspect that the God
of the Old Testament is a Daily Mail reader.
Jesus, on the other hand, I would credit with more moderate views.
wasn't there an advert years back
that said, give a man a fish and he can eat for a day, teach him how to fish and he can feed a family for the rest of his life (or something).
I'm all for helping those less advantaged than ourselves. But surely there are more sane ways of letting everyone have a free-for-all on our little country? I send money to support work done by a Christian charity in Zambia which seeks to get street children into homes and to receive an education. I don't see the need to ship over hundreds of homeless children from Zambia to my house to live off of benefits.
Surely the idea behind charitable donations (such as to the Oxfam Unwrapped initiative) is to try to enable people less priveleged to try and build themselves out of poverty rather than a patronising handout every now and again?
And to fit it in with what Jesus does in the Bible, he tells disabled people to get up and walk, rather than giving them the money they ask for. He solves the problem, he doesn't prolong it.
Maybe I didn't explain myself enough earlier. I am always happy to explain to people my outlook on life. :)
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Presumably you read this symbolically, rather than literally. Given that Jesus is not currently amongst us to miraculously heal the infirm, I'm assuming you mean the message is: find the means to fend for yourself.
There are people who will simply never be able to 'get of their beds and walk.' There will always be a need for charity, welfare, and social responsibility. Some people are disabled for life, and someone has to care for those people. I say we all should, collectively.
Yeah but no
I couldn't agree more in terms of teaching fishing and not just providing patronising handouts. Sustainable solutions are the only real way forward. My first expereince of working with a charity was for the Scarman trust, who loaned small amounts of money to people who the banks wouldn't touch. What some of them achieved from so little was remarkable.
But - I think the belief that non EU immigrants can pitch up here and sign up for benefits is factually inaccurate. I'm not claiming to be a subject expert here - so I'd welcome corrections if I'm wrong - but my understanding is that most benefits aren't available for at least 5 years from entry. That means no jobseekers allowance, no housing benefit, no income support etc etc. If an immigrant is able to work legally with an NI number a limited amount of benefit becomes available after 2 years. The same applies if they marry a UK national.
EU immigrants have more access to benefits on a reciprocal basis i.e they could claim at home they can claim here, just as Brits can and do abroad.
Undermining of the Christian Faith.
Blimey. That's quite a statement. If so, why was he speaking in a church yesterday and what did his Dad do again?
You can accuse Gordon Brown of a lot of things. That is not one of them.
Badger King, you are everything that...
Forget it.
Not why I joined here.
Anyway, Steely Dan, arent they great eh?
I beg to disagree
This is a get out clause. Actually it is projection, when people say that they usually mean "MY intrinsic selfishness." Intrinsically humanity is not selfish, just as it is not Happy or Sad. At a very basic level in neolithic times (and before) humane communities only survived through cooperation.
Although, when it comes down to it,
most people are selfish in that they'll put themselves and their family before the wider good.
I give a chunk of my income to charity. Would I give the same amount if my family were starving and homeless? No.
yes but not but yes
in an existential crisis of course you - or anyone - is usually selfish. BUT
(a) we aren't talking about that extreme situation
(b) Even then quite a lot of people behave altruistically. As a percentage of salary, poorer people give more than rich people to charity.
Having read all the above
I've just come to the conclusion that I start to hate any party that's been in power for a long time. I hate Labour now, but I really hated the Tories in 97.
Unfortunately none of the politicians really resonate with me. For all their media training why do they all struggle to come across as human beings? Brown looks like he struggles to even get a sentence out of his mouth and whatever the circumstances Cameron always talks as though he's making a speech. Are there any of them that you could imagine having a pint with down your local?
Always a good way to judge someone
Would you have a beer with them?.
Well based on the small sample of four MPs (2 each from the main parties) that I knew at University I'm pretty sure I would still cross the street to avoid all of them.
The only one that springs to mind is...
Ken Clarke. Mainly becuase he likes a pint and seems to be more interested in jazz than politics. A man with a sense of perspective is rare in politics these days.
and I love the look of
paternal, amused yet bemused indulgence on his face whenever he's on camera while Posh Boy is speaking.
My ideal night in the pub with (living) politicians would be with Ken Clarke and Tony Benn; I suspect there'd be a lot more giggles than niggles.
I suspect so
And if you stuck Denis Healey (and possibly even young Charlie Kennedy) in there too, I think you'd have an interesting night.
I'd definitely have a drink with Tony Benn...
he'd be good company.
Although
He doesn't drink alcohol. He could drink pints of tea though.
Even better...
as I don't drink alcohol either. I wonder if he likes double espressos?
Labour all the way
Anyone see Gordon's phenomenal performance at Dumfries yesterday evening. Absolutely smoking...!
One thing that puzzles me
You get the impression from reading threads like this that hardly anyone voted Tory, ever. But the Conservatives won three elections prior to Tony Blair coming to power, two of them landslides, and I guess many of those here would have been eligible to vote in at least two. Now I'd expect a community like ours to have a liberal bias, but even so... it feels like there's some personal revisionism going on, given how popular the Tories once were amongst the general electorate. Anyone care to 'fess up?
Fraser
I have nothing to confess to: I swam against the tide from 1979 - 1997. Come to that, I have from 1997. In fact, even though I voted whenever I have been given the opportunity, I have never voted for a "winning" party. That's probably why I am not so keen on First Passed the Post.
Not me
Voted in Jim Callaghan's constituency - and voted for Jim - with my first ever vote, as he was booted out to make way for Thatcher. Been Lib Dem ever since.
I'm not sure the level of revisionism would really need to me that big. If you look at the vote share of the 3 main parties since 74 the span of votes is typically c.+ / - 10% ; the Tories span 30% to 43%, Labour 34% to 43% and LD 14% to 23%. First past the post means a small swing in a handful of seats yields big changes in Westminster
hey, hey, hey
I was a first time voter in the same election in the same constituency...
In 1992 (my first time)
I voted Conservative. I did so because Major looked less like a swivel-eyed loon than the Thatch and looked like he might lead a slightly less lunatic government. This turned out to be largely true, but other later events militated against his leadership (some self-inflicted, others not). I also believed he needed time to establish his own identity upon the party and his front benches and he deserved the chance to do that.
Since then I have never really voted the same way twice, going into each campaign with a largely open mind (or a widely varying set of prejudices, choose as you will). This time around I've chosen what I think is the least worst option (I'm with Noam C on that one) and await the outcome with no little trepidation.
Lab Lib Green
I have voted Labour in every general election since 1987, did so again today albeit with some significant qualms.
More mixed in local elections: mainly Labour, but with occasional forays to the Lib Dems as I'm not terribly enamoured with elements of the Labour party in Liverpool. I voted Green today.
Have only ever voted Labour
since turned 18 in 1983....
LibDem
Scotland is maybe a special case since a sliver of the electorate votes Tory and in various places Labour, LibDem and SNP votes are all meaningful, even in a firstpastthepost election. Being terminally pissed off with Labour (wars, authoritarianism, nest-feathering, the relaxed attitude to financial services that helped the 2008 banking crisis come about etc etc) the plain alternative in my constituency is LibDem. In a Scottish election with PR I have happily voted Green in the past (and helped elect MSPs to Holyrood) but under General Election rules a Green vote is a simple waste. Sad but true. I have my fingers crossed that the LibDem wins and Labour understands that it cannot carry on as it has.
Vote Tory? Georgie Boy as chancellor? Oh dear no ...
Of course I regret it now
but let me fess up and say I voted Tory in my very first election back in 83.
It was a one-off. I knew no better. I soon learnt the error of my ways.
The diplomat from Planet Murdoch
he say. "Help us, Obi Wan Right Dave Kenobi, you're

No votes for Sinn Fein yet?
Reading this depresses me, because I would love to weigh in. But I can't, as an all but disenfranchised member of the UK.
Here in Northern Ireland (Hello! We're nuts!), you can vote for bigots, or losers. Its as simple as that.
The Tories have at least (probably for "fear of a hung parliament") tried to tie in with a Northern Ireland party, and introduce some realpolitik into the NI equation. It won't work, despite my vote, because people are set in their ways.
Generally (there are of course exceptions) if you're a Catholic, you vote nationalist or republican (SDLP or Sinn Fein), and if you're a Protestant you vote Unionist (DUP, Conservative & Unionist or, wait for it, Traditional Unionist Voice).
In the middle, are the Alliance Party, who I have voted for all my life, until now. They are a bit left leaning for me in reality, and probably a bit pro Europe. They also align themselves with the Lib Dems, though there is no formal link up.
So, I will vote Conservative and Unionist, and weep as the sectarian headcount begins, and pray for the day I can get involved in your conversations about the economy, health and education, rather than who blew up what, and who shot who, and why we hate Protestants/ Catholics.
Cheers!
Like the above
feel a bit disenfranchised about the whole General Election vibe. Have lived in NI for 10 years and my MP refuses to take his seat in the Commons, so it's a bit hard to get worked up about.
Has been interesting watching slimy Dave courting the Unionists - watch him drop them like a stone when their votes don't help him.
Labour
I live two miles outside Nick Clegg's constituency in a Labour 'stronghold' (North East Derbyshire) and kind of wish I could have voted for Mr Clegg. Our sitting MP, Natascha Engel, seems to be genuinely hard working, so I don't have many qualms about having voted for her. The Lib Dems came a poor third place last time, with the Tories in second. I really just wanted to help make sure the Tories don't sneak it in our constituency, so it was a tactical vote.
In the past, I have voted Labour, but this time I fancied a change - if we had a different voting system, it would have been the Lib Dems who got my vote.
One final observation - for most of my career I have worked with conservatively minded people (and Conservative voters) who have foisted often quite unpleasant opinions on me - racism, homophobia, reactionary Little Englander shit, etc. Now that I run my own little company, I'm pleased to discover that most of my colleagues share many of my views. Even the ex Tory Councillor who works with me has professed dissatisfaction with the election and a lack of enthusiasm for Cameron and his ilk.
Actually, I am in the Boy Clegg's constituency
Along with his wife, he was pressing flesh as I arrived to vote about an hour ago. He was smiling away confidently in his BLUE blazer. Call in Mystic Meg, is this a sign? She'll say yes anyway 'cos she's a Murdoch employee.
I doubt I'm the only one
But I voted SNP.
I laugh in the face of David Cameron's bluster that a hung parliament is paralysed by indecision!
Also, if the Tories do win in Westminster, I will be down at the border with a shovel, doing my bit to make England an island. It's not that I have any issue with English folks (other than when the football's on; yes, you won the World Cup in 1966. No, our national team isn't very good. Can we talk about something else now? ...1966? Do we have to?) I just have that much of an issue with a Conservative government.
I'd emmigrate, but not being well-off (another reason I fear a Tory government - I'm close enough to destitute as it is, thank you) enough, I'm stuck here.
An Englishman writes...
If the Tories win, can I bring my shovel and give you a hand?
And then I'll emigrate to Scotland.
it is...
a bit wet, a bit cold, a bit alcoholic and a bit unhealthy, but it scrubs up nicely and there's quite a lot of space ...
It's a shitload better
than the alternative
Sounds
perfect!
Gordon Brown's Red Army!
Why does that sound slightly sinister? Have voted Labour in every election since I became eligible to vote in '83. Saw no reason to change now and frankly never will. Could be a depressing 24 hours though. To paraphrase Derek & Clive, I would rather be a destitute than vote Tory. And let's face it, they'd hardly give me a helping hand if I did become homeless! Never heard a Liberal policy better than those offered by Labour, either.
Pfffffff.
I stood in the booth.
I actually seriously contemplated spoiling my ballot paper.
I have never agonised so much about where to put my "X". A lifelong Liberal, a big choice loomed. I no longer agree with their policies, I certainly don't agree with the views of my local Lib Dem MP.
I've voted for a spectacularly annoying Tory bint.
They'll hold a speculative emergency budget announcing a few changes to stiffen spines in The City. They'll wait until the City regains confidence. State-owned bank shares will rise in value considerably. The shares will be sold off at considerable profit to The State. By-bye budget deficit or, at least, a lot of it. No need for drastic cuts and taxes. Cameron et al will sit back and look smug.
Still waiting to see Gordon
Anyone else still waiting to see his face of utter despair?.
It's a bit late but I'm still here and looking forward to him trying to spin this as a good result.
Can't help but think
you might have a bit of a wait ahead of you.
C'mon Seb
Remember 1997, how the Conservatives were so thoroughly rejected by the electorate after 13 years in government?
Now after 13 years of Labour, after all the dumb things they've done like starting illegal wars and screwing the economy, your boys can't even muster a majority. Not only did they fail to shoot the fish, they missed the whole barrel.
You're not going to call that victory are you?
Yep.
If Dave and Gideon were half the men their campaign would have us believe, they should've cleaned up. They've not.
In fact, in terms of popular vote, the centre-Left (Labour/Lib-Dem) did about 14 percentage points better than the Right. Dave might claim a mandate, but he'd be wrong.
We got the Parliament we wanted
NONE of them have a mandate. The Conservatives may be the largest single party but, on a 65% turnout (still pretty low, that), three fifths of the electorate took a look at the options and decided that the 'change' being offered by the blue lot was not the change they had an appetite for.
It's not a victory. A score draw perhaps, but not a victory. This situation will force them to work a bit more smartly, and may give the Commons a pair again: not before time.
If you're of the LibDem persuasion, as I was this time, 10% of the seats for 1 in 4 of the votes does seem risible. And suddenly electoral reform is right on the agenda, however much Cameron doesn't want it to be.
Absolutely.
Cameron now needs to understand that his lack of a mandate means some policy pain for him. His initial offer was a hard negotiating strategy; real compromise is going to be necessary, and I personally look forward to Clegg forcing electoral reform up the Tories' arse.
Earlier today one of the BBC reporters was
reminiscing about when electoral reform was on the agenda in 1979. Gordon Brown was described as being absolutely dead set against it, so under different circumstances, Clegg would be forcing it up Labour's equally unwilling arse.
Irrespective of who has to bend over and accept the pain, the last 24 hours have shown that we need to do something about the current system.
I suppose the devil's always in the detail.
Electoral reform?....any particular type?
As it stands in the FPTP system, the seats are divided like this -
CON - 306
LAB - 258
LIB/DEM - 57
BNP - 0
If we assume that the same voters voted the same way(but using the PR system) we get this -
CON - 235
LAB - 189
LIB/DEM - 150
BNP - 12
A dozen or so parties benefit from this system whereas the two main ones lose out. There'd be a hung parliament every time with even more horse trading. I've no idea how it's worked out but I wonder which constituencies the BNP MPs would look after?
I didn't think
Gordon Brown became an MP until 1983 so I'd treat this with some suspicion. But I only converted to PR after 1997 although I've been a Labour Party member since 1981. I was disappointed when Blair ditched Roy Jenkins's report. We can all change our minds.
The fact is that most people are not Conservatives but that party has regularly been in power because the centre-left majority is split between two parties. PR could see the Conservatives out of power forever. Which, even on this week's showing, seems to be what the country wants.
No argument from this quarter .......
Rather overstating it to say they missed the barrel, but certainly not the result I would have liked. Tbh I never thought at any time over the past 2-3 years that the Conservatives would win as they were starting from such a low base.
Perhaps its just my age and increasing cynicism but I have never felt less energised by a General Election and its outcome. The vacuity of the debate, the increasing Presidential nature of our politics and the choice of chief executive boiling down to a man who appears to have a mild form of Aspergers and a record 13 years of unbroken failure up against two 43 year old, privately educated PR men who have spent most of their adult lives carrying bags for other politicians.Surely this country ought to be able to come up with better?
We hear a lot about the general public wanting change. Well they are going to get it but not in a good way.The bad news about the economic crisis ought to have been addressed by all of the main parties. Their collective evasion on the subject will lead to even more disenchantment with the political process.
Most poignant moment of election day for me was my son catching a late train over and making a 2.5 hour journey home from University to vote for the first time. He thought his vote might make a difference in Derbyshire Dales ........lump in throat as I type.
Good advice
Never hit a woman
Never cross a picket line
Never vote Tory
Always get your round in at the bar
As Tony Benn pointed out earlier
the electorate got the result they wanted - its their bloody fault!
I'm guessing that 'Dave''s call to 'Nick' will go a little like this.
'Hello..Nick, you remember when we talked about the bomb? The bomb, Nick, The Trident bomb. Well, we've got this slightly ka-ka view that it would be good to keep it.....don't be like that Nick...I do like you, I've always liked you'
can you
nail your colours to two masts?
Horse thieves would be easier to bargain with than that nice Mr Clegg now I suspect
Judas
Felt a little sick that Clegg publicly entertained the notion of siding with Cameron after polling closed and before the results were in. Roll on the next election. I'm voting Labour.
Banana Republic?
A fantastically disappointing result! I wanted to vote Lib Dem, but as they came a poor third in my area in 2005, I felt our sitting Labour MP deserved support and my hunch was right, because she only just scraped through in front of the Tories.
Meanwhile in Mr Clegg’s constituency, hundreds of people were denied the vote and were shut out of the Polling Station. Many who were inside the Polling Station were told they couldn’t vote – what a cock up. There was also a two tier system, as local residents were in one queue and all the students from the local halls of residence were in another. An acquaintance of mine is a local resident and she only just made it into the Polling Station just in time despite queuing from 8.30pm. The student queue was much slower moving and hundreds were left outside. Fortunately, Nick Clegg had a huge majority anyway, but in Sheffield Central the Lib Dems came second to Labour by only 165 votes.
To think how we scoff at elections in banana republics, or at the Yanks with their hanging chads! Christ, we need a new system and bloody quick.