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My night at the NIA with Bob Dylan
Started promptly at 7:35. Rotten sound (I was all the way back in the toppermost row).
No big screens, so we saw tiny figures in beige suits far, far away.
The hall was at best 75% full. The people beside me were loving it.
For those readers who know Birmingham : there is a chap who sells the Big Issue, whose patch was at the Victoria Square exit from New St Station and who has now moved up to the cathedral.
He has a three note vocal range, with a terrible croak, that of a voice ravaged by years of howling. Every time I hear him croak/squeak "BIG ISSUE!" it sounds like the last rattle of his vocal cords.
Bob was similar tonight.
A perfunctory run through some great songs, and I left before the end. Maybe it got brilliant 70 minutes in - I couldn't take any more.
The records are still as awesome as ever they were, so are the songs. I'll not be that fussed about going to see him again.

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I can't wait for Dublin next week
I'm writing the review already!
Rotten sound...
at the back and at the top, no screens, tiny figures, Bob has a three note vocal range and people were loving it? Bloody hell, roll on Liverpool 'it's all good'.
Wow
anyone want a cheap ticket for Dublin next week?
Keep the faith Pat, keep the faith
I once heard him speak to the audience in Dublin ... 1993 I think it was.
I was there
I think it was the Point, it was the first time I saw him and he was disaster. The only occasion he's been any good while I was there (next week will be the fifth time) was when he played outdoors in Kilkenny supported by Elvis Costello. Ronnie Wood came on pissed about the third song and refused to leave the stage for most of the gig, Dylan actually smiled and laughed throughout at Ronnie's antics and it lead to a proper gig with recognisable songs and everything.
New record's good though.
new record is good
yes it is - and I still think he is a giant.
but the live performance is not something I am recommending.
I stayed to the end
I was at the NIA too, and stayed to the finish, but it didn't get much better.
I don't think I've ever seen so little effort put into a performance. Yet he got a standing ovation at the end.
Weird.
My decision not to go seems vindicated.
Mrs Path is bemused by this "Dylan": whenever anything moderately croaky comes up on the shuffle and I ask her to guess who it is, she always says Dylan. She doesn't ever like it when it is, even cracking stuff from up to 20 years ago, preferring the Felice brothers "version" of Dylan. She accepts, however, my affliction and asked whether we would be going to see him at the NIA. I said I wouldn't dare risk her being right........
Faint praise
Nowhere near as bad as I'd been lead to believe.
Once my ears had tuned in, and they'd tweaked the sound slightly about 3 songs in, I enjoyed it. His voice is a drone that blends in with the other instruments, which almost makes it an instrumental concert.
I thought the arrangements of most of the old stuff worked very well. If at 67, vanity is stopping the use of projection screens, then screens with the words on would help, particularly for the new stuff.
The oddest thing was the guy standing ten feet behind him, in full view for most of the gig, who I assume was his minder.
"Minder?"
I must know more.
Not Dennis Waterman
There was a guy in a sweat shirt and jeans standing behind Bob for most of the set. He was burly in stature, though not of the roadie-bum-cheek-cleavage type. He looked like a night club doorman, and just stood in front of the backdrop. If he'd been dressed all in black, he wouldn't have been quite so visible, but he was wearing a top with a white design on the front.
Didnt go myself
last night but my Brother in law did. His comments were 'he didnt say a word all night, how awesome is that?' 'How is that awesome?' I asked. 'his words do the talking for him?' came the reply. 'er, could you actually hear the words?'. 'No'.
Bloody waste of time if you ask me.
Worst sound ever
In 30 years of gig going, last night's Dylan concert was the worst sound mix I've ever heard. If you go and read reviews of previous gigs the sound quality (or lack of) is a prevailing theme.
At the price we're paying for tickets, someone should have a word with his sound crew because that really ruined the gig for us.
But Bob did what Bob does and he did it well.
At the same Gig?
I can't believe you. Maybe it was because I was close up to the stage just behind Bob's back that the sound quality was great but I wouldn't want to see anybody from more than half way back in such an arena. It was in fact a vast improvement on the sound at previous show I had seen in Sheffield where it was too loud.
My son who has now seen quite a number of Dylan concerts thought it was the best he had seen and that he sang really well. I thought there were beautiful performances of some songs and my opinion was certainly backed up by the reaction of most of the audience which in response to the overall quality was far more enthusiastic than in Sheffield.
Your son
thought it was the best he'd seen from looking at his back? What was he looking at before - his hind parts?
He certainly sounds great on
He certainly sounds great on record. Wonder why he hasn't premiered any of the new stuff, considering it's been in the shops for two days. Archie, your comments are amusing, even though I can't bring myself to agree with you. Is the 'hombremalo' a Spaniard by any chance?
que ?
why would that matter at all ?
it all depends
This was the best of the six Bob concerts I've seen this century. He often seems to pull out a better setlist for Brum, which is why I chose it over Sheffield this year (that, and because I was already seeing the Specials in Sheffield the night before Bob). Bob was singing well, I thought, and only a couple of the new arrangements were below par. I was delighted to get both 'Workingman's Blues' and 'Ain't Talkin', neither of which I'd heard him do live before. The band gelled well and he was obviously enjoying himself a great deal. I know this because, having good seats to the right, where I knew I would only see his back, I ran to the front when the lights went down, around the security guy, and got a spot right in front of him. He even moved around a bit, and put a lot of facial expression into the songs, something I've never been close enough to see before.
So it all depends on where you are, how well you know the songs and what your expectations are. I was with some people who go to most shows on the tour and they reckoned Birmingham was by far the best show so far.
Bob Dylan NIA Concert
Why criticise Bob Dylans sound when you have seats at the back in an arena? You know its an arena when you purchase tickets.
Bob Dylan tickets are half price compared with people like Elton Johns (although I like going to both).Bob does'nt have all the fancy lights and screens, but is good value for the money, concentrating on letting the music speak for itself. I went to last nights show and enjoyed it very much, although I knew what to expect I thought his voice was good, the sound was, and so were his excellent band. I was seated seven rows from the front, this makes a difference. Roll on Liverpool concert, can't wait.
NIA pricing
This was the first time I have been to the NIA. I think it is reasonable that if I pay £37 plus booking fee the sound is reasonable in that location. It most definitely was not - so if a man who has spent 40 years on the road with the touring infrastructure and experience that goes with that can't organise decent sound then I suggest they should not sell seats there.
In the early 80s I worked on a record stall in Candleriggs Market in Glashow. We sold a wide range of music and also had a sideline in bootleg cassettes. If I had been offered a recording from where I was sitting at the NIA, the best I could have scored it would have been 5 / 10.
Free seats?
Can we then maybe look forward to the day when free seats are given out at the back of arena's because we should know the sound will be awful and the view non existent?
Dylan at the NIA
I had the distinct misfortune of attending Dylan's gig in Birmingham last night. To call it awful belittles the concept of the word. I think maybe 1 word in 50 was intelligible, and the guy had the rapport of corpse. The sound quality resembled a low current through a dustbin full of ballbearings; it was atrocious. I looked on the website and there's a heated debate about the setlist, but Christ knows what was being sung such was the dreadful keyboard led arrangement. My wife complained to the NIA staff about the quality of sound--they advised it was the singer not the equipment. No-one was expecting Caruso, but for God's sake it was painful! With Dylan's back catalogue it was like watching someone burn a masterpiece -- I saw fans slack jawed with disbelief at the dirge that was being played. I'd've asked for a refund if I thought the man cared--he doesn't. Shame on you, Bob.
Refunds.....
Just a thought, but where does the concept of a refund sit these days? Anybody actually ever had one? From anyone? Which leads me on, given the myriad postings of anguished outrage across the innumerable Bobdownthebog postings, does he know or care? Should he know or care? Are we merely responding in classic WASP style by moaning afterwards to anyone who will listen, rather than to the creator of the misery, as in "How was your meal?" "Fine thankyou", followed by a rant on the restaurant blog. Is there a way of letting the man in question be in no way uncertain of the view of "his" fans. Or is he too surrounded by sycophants?
I get the impression
That pretty much the same people go every night.
first and last for me
I was interested to see him, went with an open mind, but I'll not be going back to see him again.
Non believers
Perhaps you should stick to seeing smaller artists in smaller venues, whose music you are able to understand instead of criticising. Give the legend a break.
Dylan
Do you think he's above criticism?
Not above criticism but ...
following on from your initial report from the Roundhouse there does seem to be a certain amount of bandwagon jumping, and tub-thumping.
I'm a fan but that did not prevent me appreciating your piece, or Mark's report of his O2 experience. A lot of the follow up did seem to become a fairly pointless competition to pen the most outlandish description of Dylan's voice and performance. The massed knee-jerk response of the hear-no, see-no, speak no-evil fans didn't help either.
Despite, or because of the various comments my sense of anticipation for the Dublin shows next week remains undiminished. If anyone on the Blog remains even remotely interested by then I'll let you know how they go.
Dublin
Hope it's good. Let us know.
Sure thing
One broken foot for Bob, as the lady(?) ordered.
you are out of order
how did you reach the conclusion that I am not able to understand Dylan's music ?
did you read the rest of my comments ?
Never mind a break, I gave him £37 plus booking fee - I reckon I am entitled to several things for that : a reasonable seat with reasonable sound, and my opinion on the concert experience.
Dylan
Criticise when its due, not for the sake of it or something to do.
Which
bits of the criticism posted here do you think were not due, exactly?
Serious question.
Bobby
My criticism Of Dylan was based on the fact that it was one of the worst shows I've seen in 27 years of gig-going. I really wish I'd enjoyed it. I'd love to understand what others are getting out of these shows that I'm not. I'd love someone to explain why the current versions of songs he plays are so praiseworthy, when to me they sound lazy, leaden, and clearly inferior to the originals. I'd love to be told exactly why his band are so good, when I think they sound like they can't be bothered. And I'd love to have someone explain to me why his singing still has value, when to my ears it clearly doesn't. Is that unreasonable?
I'm open-minded about this, seriously - but some of the reaction to the negative posts has been of the "Bob cannot be criticised as he is a genius" variety, and that's ridiculous.
Oh so the many individuals who went to see him
and have reported back here, have no premise to criticise?
(Worry not, I ain't criticising the "Legend", I'm criticising your extraordinary comment....)
Not out of order, just
Not out of order, just entitled like you to an opinion. Of course I read all your comment, just can't understand why you would expect the best experience sat in a barn in the roof. And then blame Bob for that. How he sings is how he sings. If you understand his music you would know how he changes his voice in the words and emotions. I've heard him speak, I was at the Minneapolis concert last year when he gave his election speech on election night.
no, you are out of order.
You are our of order because you assert above that if we don't understand Dylan's music, we shouldn't criticise him. I'm not an expert but I've been listening to him for around 25 years, I've got around 20 of his albums and I thoroughly enjoyed reading Chronicles Vol 1.
I didn't know beforehand that my seat was in the roof of a barn - never been to the NIA before.
I have been going to gigs for 30 years and soundwise this was 5/10 at most. Booming drums, lack of clarity in any instruments, poor vocal sound. He is a touring musician - if he can't make the sound reasonable in some parts of the venue, he shouldn't sell tickets for that part of the venue.
I'm not wishing Dylan's many live fans any ill-will. But I'm not going to accept someone asserting I don't understand Dylan unless they have some evidence. And there seems to be some level of agreement with my experience at the NIA.
Obviously, for some people this is a Holy War.
I see......
So it is everyones silly fault if they are foolish to buy the seats available at the venues he performs. Unless they like the show. That's akin to McDonalds taking no reponsibility for the "quality" of their food if you are foolish enough to visit one of their restaurants. Or maybe that is exactly what you mean, with the expectation that you shouldn't worship at the feet of the "Legend" unless your blinkers are sufficiently welded on as to see his new clothes........
No further comments required.
I think your missing the
I think your missing the point.
The emperor's new clothes
The emperor's new clothes bit is becoming a little tedious.
Surely you masters of the cliché, masters of the preposition should be able to come up with something a bit more ingenious.
Tedious
The bare-neckid truth often is.
Don't want to baffle the readership, mac
Just a poor gig. No effort
The concert had poor sound, good musicians. Dylan's voice was terrible. It became a challenge to recognize the songs. Seeing that his lyrics are so important it was a shame that you couldn't decipher them. Perhaps he should have big video screens on the stage - to display the lyrics! This must be the most disappointing gig I have ever attended. I have attended gigs at the NIA before & they have had very good sound. If it had been done by someone else there would of been a riot, but because it was Dylan he got an ovation! It reminded me of the old fable called "The Emperors New Clothes". The audience were kidding themselves they were enjoying the performance.
NIA good sound - agree
I saw Editors there, not that keen on them but other half likes them, was most impressed by sound - probably best I've experienced in such a large indoor venue, and we were quite a distance away. So it can be done. Also, were good, large screens. Just seems ridiculous to me for major act to perform somewhere like that without screens.
Lazy sound engineer
So, some people think the sound was great down the front? I went down to the sound desk to have a word, got blanked, then bullied back to my seat by security (just doing their job). The sound was a bit brighter there but still not a great mix in my opinion. Even so, with the quality of PA systems these days there is no excuse for two thirds of the audience to be getting a crap sound. It is down purely and simply to bored and lazy sound engineers.
Anyhow, after a bit of search, came up with the address of his record company, who will apparently forward mail to Bob. I for one will be using it.
Bob Dylan
c/o Columbia Records
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022-3211, USA
NIA sound can be OK
It was good for Stevie Wonder and is reliably better than the NEC. Having said that,Cohen, L, showed that even a pigs ear can become a purse at that barn, if I will be forgiven, mac, for another well worn cliche. (P.S. that's why they are)
I feel sorry for him.
There have always been a hundred better singers than Dylan. There has always been a million better people than Dylan. We don't love him or follow him for his singing voice or his 'caring sharing' attitude to the outside world, of which we as fans are part of. To ask Bob Dylan to care about, or want to perform for his audience is simply unrealistic. He doesn't care about his fans, we wouldn't want him to. We don't want another Cliff Richard.
The great tragedy of this is that his vanity won't allow him to quit while he is ahead. Death hasn't intervened as with Morrison, Hendrix etc. He simply wants some more money and some more sycophancy. I feel sorry for him. He has tumbled from being a "not very nice man with great songs", to a "not very nice man with great songs, who also is money hungry and vain". I learned more about him then. If only he had come onto stage, waved his harmonica and left for the night. You can get a great curry in Brindley Place. We would have all been happier. An April night in the NIA won't take away my Bob moments. Hels
Where's good for a curry in Brindley Place ?
(I know it's wildly Off-Topic)
I've not found a good curry restaurant there, but Asha's is fantastic and the Milan is very good too. Also the Rajdoot and Lasan.
Coda
Back in Glasgow at the weekend, I bought "Dylan On Dylan" in Fopp for £2 - couldn't resist at that price. Over the weekend I was mainly listening to Street Legal.
And in Birmingham this afternoon, I passed the exhibition of Dylan's drawings at the Castle Gallery in the ICC - so I went in, and thoroughly enjoyed them.
http://www.castlegalleries.com/contact/birmingham-icc.asp
(recommended to Retro and any other Brum people)
One of the worst gigs ever, and a week later I'm still following him - must be a genius!
Thanks for that
I'd spotted the ads, just didn't know where they were (which given the ads are in the ICC just outside the gallery is a bit thin, but I thought it wasn't called that)
May I be first to say I would sooner hve a picture of his in the house than a recent recording. I agree that the last but one is quite good, as is the one twice before that, but what I have seen of his daubs are great!
He's a decent paintist it's true
But is there any reason that prints of his stuff sell for £2500 in those galleries while other paintings in there - ones I prefer anyway - are maybe £550? Other than the obvious reason that his are signed by Bob Dylan - admittedly, it would look silly if he signed anybody else's, but you see what I mean.