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Music Journalists' bands -which were any good? Or awful?
Obviously the one on this month's cover is at the top of the tree (along with the Pretenders, if Chrissie Hynde was really a music journo...). But are there any other goodies and who make up the lower division outfits?
I never really got on with St Etienne, and I know Everett True was the first ever Creation release under the name of The Legend!, but didn't think that was all that great either.
Also what are the bands that you think are probably music journo's efforts but aren't sure? Johnny Boy, who had one great single but didn't really sustain it are one. Also Florida, who I saw support Cathal Coughlan once and whose Bob and Veronica's Big Move is a pretty good record. Both were crafted pop bands with dishevelled blokes in shades hanging around behind female vocalists, which for some reason always makes me think "Journo!"
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I was suprised and impressed
I was suprised and impressed by the one track I heard from Nick Kent's band, the Subteraneans. Sort of Wah-ish, anthemic post-punk, if memory serves.
Then there's Gay Dad, whose frontman wrote for The Face and Guitarist; Lenny Kaye who met Patti Smith after she responded to a piece on a cappella music he'd written (and even compiled an Encyclopedia of Rock while he was in her band); and Ocean Colour Scene, though their singer was local newspaper journalist rather than a pop writer.
Down at Blue Square Premier level, there's Welfare Heroine, which was NME's Dele Fadele's vehicle; Fabilous, who were made up of then-NME writer Simon Dudfield, snapper Martin Goodacre and various hangers-on; while current NME journo James Jam also has a band on the go...
But go back and listen to Saint Etienne's best-of. They're a national treasure (and were pretty handy at pop journalism, too).
Subterraneans
I thought I was the only one that remembered the Subterraneans, you're right it was pretty good, still have it on 7" I think. I heard a rumor that Chrissie Hynde was on it, anybody confirm or deny?
Does Goldblade count?
I believe John Robb was a musician before he was a journo, but may be wrong.
Mark Knopfler was a journalist for various regional newspapers before becoming a pro-musician, but I think he was a straightforward newshound.
He did
Yorkshire Evening Post only though. A standard reporter indeed but he also wrote the weekly music column for a few months before he left.
Last story he filed was on the death of Hendrix, apparently.
Trained at the Journo college in Harlow along with a Michael Oldfield who subsequently gave Straits some good write-ups in the Melody Maker.
I haven't stalked him or anything. Honest.
Not keen on Goldblade
but Robb's other band the Membranes' 'Tatty Seaside Town' is a down-at-heel 80s punk minor classic. And he did a couple of nice tracks on St Etienne's label at one point...
Can I state the obvious here...
DGUTDJ
Moz
...had his own fanzine if I recall. Does that constitute "music journalism"?
Blast....
...Furnace & The Heatwaves
Them Pet Shop Boys
Boomtown Rats..
Can't Stop The Boy
is a dynamite piece of pub rock - still sounds good on crackly vinyl!
Boomtown Rats
Geldof was a journo in the early/mid 70s.
Also - Gay Dad, anyone?
Bugger - both been cited, sorry!
Redskins
The Redskins were sometime NME writer X Moore's band. And I thought they were brill. Neither Washington Nor Moscow still sounds fab today.
Really?
I've a soft spot for the Redskins, though only own a couple of tracks off a CNT compilation for the miners.
Still got the 12'of Keep on
Still got the 12'of Keep on Keepin' On. That records was caned in the 80's.
Paul Moody
A brilliant writer and I have to admit to loving much of his band The Regular Fries' output.
Accept The Signal
..I enjoyed that album immensely. Good call.
Good work that man. Totally
Good work that man. Totally forgotten the Fries.
AR KANE
The NME's Dele Fadele art noise rock band in the 80's were ok at the time. Although it hasn't aged well, but that could be down to me not spending most of my day off my gourd.
Oh they do still sound good
'Baby Milk Snatcher' in particular is wonderful! But Dele Fadele was nothing to do with them.
WOT !!!! NO GAL BUSHELL
He of top Oi punk band "The Gonads" shame on you.
Old Sounds readers will know what i'm on about.
More Regular Fries Here!
Please.
Saint Etienne
Most definitely. I could not live without their albums. They defined the 90s for me, and still continue to make great records now....twenty years of Saint Etienne!
Cath Carroll?
Wan't she a journalist? I've got her "England Made Me" cd - can't remember if I like it though. Given that, I don't suppose I do...
I remember it
and rather like it.
Does Paul Morley count as a (non-performing) member of the art of noise?
Sid Griffin
Not sure if he was a music journalist before the Long Ryders but he's certainly been combining the two careers with the Coal Porters and his work for Mojo.
Chas de Whalley
Who wrote for Sounds I think, or one of the 70s music weeklies, had a country-rock band called Fluff on the Needle.
Giovanni Dadomo
Another Sounds writer was front man for The Snivelling Shits. I've no idea what they sounded like - do I need to? Probably better was the work of Davitt Sigerson, who wrote for UK and US music papers, produced David and David, Blondie and the Bangles (I think) and wrote and sang one of my favourite Christmas songs, "It's a Big Country". He's now a novelist and, judging on his track record, probably a good one.
Lawrence Donegan
He of "boomstick" duties with the Bluebells then Lloyd Cole and the Commotions. Currently the golf reporter with the Guardian.
Apparently the chap always wears two pairs of trousers too. No really, it's in case he gets (coughs, looks at shoes) a hole in one.
Apologies for that, but it reminds me of a classic Whistle Test moment from the mid 80s, and I guess I couldn't be asking this in a better place, cos it's been bugging me for a while.
It was Andy Kershaw coming out with one of the best quotes I can ever remember. I think he was possibly referring to some perfumed New Romantic who he described as "wearing trousers that looked like they could have a good time all by themselves".
Anyone able to put me out of my misery with a name?
Is one of them a pair of "gorblimey" trousers?
Sorry wrong Donegan.
It took me a while to work out that the journo Sean O'Hagan and the High Llamas/Microdisney one weren't the same. I've no idea why i thoguht they were though.
People should make an effort
to avoid having the same names. I used to make exactly the same mistake. No such confusion with Cathal Coughlan. So from now on call me Harry the Lobster to diferentiate me from the Christian rock star, the estate agent and especially the Sky Sports consultant who share a name with me.
Kris Needs
has made a large number of wonderful and not-so-wonderful dance tracks under his own name, and as Secret Knowledge and I think a couple of other aliases too.
He also fronted a punk combo in the late 70s.
They were called The Vice Creems. I may still have a copy somewhere of their first single, 01-01-212, which took its title from the international dialling code for New York City. Mick Jones and Topper Headon of the Clash, and Tony James of Generation X, featured pseudonymously on their second and last single, Danger Love. You're welcome.
He also
Wrote a cracking autobiography of sorts, called Needs Must.
Some great stories of Rock 'n Roll in there. Well worth checking out
Mick Farren
The Deviants and International Times/NME.
The best music writer of those stated so far, though the band we something of an acquired taste.
The writer David Keenan...
...has been in a number of bands. Voices From The New Music by his group the Telstar Ponies is a decent record, albeit rather derivative of its influences; in particular, Sail Her On, which is written and performed in the style of Nick Cave.
The WORD’s own Fraser Lewry can be heard “hitting a seven-iron into a sheet of corrugated metal” on another of Keenan’s projects - Phantom Engineer. The only thing I can remember about the album is buying it on impulse in the London, Piccadilly Circus branch of Tower Records. Maybe it’s time to give it another hearing.
Sean O’Hagan of The High llamas shares a name with a music journalist. I had always assumed that they were the same person.
Hmmm
I qualify as neither a music journalist nor (rather obviously) as a musician. And I really wouldn't bother getting that CD out again.
Neil McCormick from The Telegraph....
...did an horrendous charity single after the 7/7 Tube bombings. I have struggled to take his review judgements seriously ever since.
And here it is:
BH!
It's even worse than I remembered it. I don't think the word 'ironic' is strong enough when I say that the lyrics are the most awful part.
Salad
Marijne van der Vlugt used to be a VJ on MTV and sang in Salad, and somewhere at home I have a cd from them which I think I quite like.
But VJ on MTV might not count as journalism..?
She was great...
whatever happened to Salad and her?
Wikipedia claims:
Van der Vlugt now writes and sings with Cowboy Racer, whose song "Yellow Horse" recently featured on the hit U.S. television show, Grey's Anatomy. Rob Wakeman and Pete Brown now run the popular viral collection site, BoreMe. Charley Stone now plays guitar with Spy51 and did some live dates with Fosca in Sweden in March 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salad_(band)
Lucky Luke
In a simliar psychedelic folk before it was fashionable vein as Telstar Ponies are Lucky Luke who feature writer/journalist Lucy Sweet.
Would be interesting to collate these into a list ranked according to success, because it seems to go 1) Pet Shop Boys, 2) Saint Etienne, 3=) Every single other band featuring a journalist.
Pretenders...
at number 2, St Etienne at 3
Sacred cow-knocking
I didn´t know Morrissey was a music journalist.
Was he?
I thought he just wrote lots of fan letters to the inkies
Fanzine writer
I thought Moz contributed to a Manchester fanzine, but I don't have a clue as to what the title was.
Lester Bangs
Didn't the daddy of them all have a band? I think he may even have had some apalling records out.
But probably not as bad as his nemesis/straight man Lou Reed puts out these days, goodness I would have loved to have read Lester on the utterly unlistenable and profoundly pretentious "Raven" or any of the other tosh The Dark Prince Of New York has "commited to wax," as they used to say, over the past decade
The Bangs / Reed encounters...
are my favourite rock n' roll journalism. So bloody funny...
Mark Ellen..
can thank his lucky stars that he was in Ugly Rumours before he started writing about music can't he.
Late 80s / early 90s Melody Maker journo Chris(t) Roberts
Roberts was a great writer (probably still is) and sang in two bands Catwalk and then Scalaland. I purchased the Catwalk 'Damascus' EP and it really wasn't too scruffy. Roberts was a pal of Debbie Harry and a champion of The Primitives. I seem to remember him talking up great bands like The Sundays and The Blue Aeroplanes and expressing exasperation at their lack of commercial success. In the end he decided to have a go himself. He succeeded artistically, but - alas - not commercially. Which just goes to prove something or other, eh? Ah well, we still have the music.
Chris
used to pop up in various monthly mags in the early 90's - was a regular in the fondly-remembered (by me at least) Ikon. Don't think I ever read a review or article of his that I disagreed with.
A few others that haven't yet been mentioned.
The New Yorker's Sasha Frere-Jones was a member of American indie band Ui, if that name means anything to anyone (I get them confused with feminist post-punk act Ut), but I dunno if he was a music journalist at the same time.
Paul Morley used to front a band called the Negatives around the time he began writing for NME, and may even have briefly featured in an early line-up of the criminally underrated Manicured Noise.
Ex-Select/NME scribbler Gina Morris was in an early configuration of Stereolab, although I'm not sure if she ever recorded anything with them.
The Word's very own Andy Gill was, of course, a member of The Gang of Four*.
* - this is a lie.
Yo La Tengo
YLT's Ira Kaplan was a music journo in an earlier phase of his life.
To steal a line from Smog, the argument ends there.
Which way round?
Are we talking about journalists who essayed an attempt on the other side of the microphone? Or musicians who decided that a journalists life would provide a more regular income? Or both?
Neil Tennant obviously fits into the former category. One of my favourites in the latter is Jim Irvin, late of the wonderful and much missed Furniture.
either both or neither
It was the first category I had in mind, but staying on topic is for wusses.
florida
i don't think Florida had anything to do with journalism, but they re-emerged minus one member plus quite a few others as Morton Valence. check 'em out, they're still alive. they had a very good single out a while back.
cheers
i discovered this coincidentally a couple of weeks back and have picked up some download stuff. doesn't look like they venture north much...
Positive Noise
Here's one for the teenagers! When Ross Middleton was writing about Glasgow bands for Sounds in 79/80, he used the nom de plume "Maxwell Park". Maxwell Park is a leafy park in a douce southside suburb. He reviewed many of the breaking post-punk bands who were playing at the Doune Castle including the Alleged and his own band Positive Noise, who were angsty sub-Joy Division.