The Much Maligned Club
Members of the Much Maligned Club must be near-universally reviled, to the extent that the negative reaction to them and their work is knee-jerk and Pavlovian. Yet strip away the outer layers of ordure and opprobrium and some jewels may be revealed. Examples:
1. CELINE DION
Is she really that bad? Nothing wrong with her voice. Her most-hated song - the one from Titanic - is actually okay in a celtic-tinged-power-ballady kind of way. Are the extreme negative vibes she attracts not mainly due to the facts that she is (a) very successful and (b) not even remotely "dark and edgy"?
2. CONCEPT ALBUMS
Love these. Just love the idea of collections of themed songs, sometimes with characters poppping up in several of them. Doesn't matter that the music isn't always all that great - the mere fact that a song exists which tries to express the character of Anne of Cleves, on electric piano, is surely cause for celebration.
3. ANDREW LLOYD WEBBER
Say what you will, he had a way with a tune. Jesus Christ Superstar is a seriously good piece of work, one which remained with me even when I was up to my neck in punk. Love the way he gives Judas all the best tunes and makes him out to be not such a bad guy after all, just a bit misunderstood. Also does the whole operatic quite well, with proper leitmotifs and everything. Better than Townsend's effort I think.
4. POWER BALLADS
From the vantage point of 20 years after their heyday, these seem to have acquired a sort of heartbreaking innocence, like that of a slow-witted giant whose only desire is to bring people together, lighters aloft, singing feelgood words of love and solidarity. Sometimes, the songs are just good: T'Pau, Foreigner, Toto, even the one from the coke ad sung by that woman called Robin wearing a top hat. "What's not to like" as people seem to say these days.
In summary, I strongly believe that merits can be found in almost everyone and everything, if you look hard enough. Anyone wish to rise to the challenge of "Simon Cowell: The Case for the defence?" "An Appreciation of Hair Metal?" "Jeffery Archer - Not Such A Bad Guy?" Or are some people completely beyond reassessment and redemption?
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No...
It is not true that everything has some merit. Some things are better than others.
However, I think we do live in more enlightened, less judgmental times, musically speaking. Some of the things we rejected in the past for reasons of fashion were good and deserve re-visiting. But just because we can now say that some power ballads weren't that bad doesn't entitle the rest of the genre to ride back into our consciousness on their coat-tails.
Be careful with that box, Pandora.
Celine
I think, I'm right in saying that Celine Dion has never written a song in her life. I'm not really interested in people that don't write there material. You're just really a couple of steps away from X-factor.
Having said that, I've got a massive soft spot for the last Mariah Carey album. But please don't tell anyone that.
Didn't write a song
There go the careers of Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Elvis Presley, (most of) Emmylou Harris, Aretha Franklin, (most of) Bonnie Raitt, Ella Fitzgerald, Bing Crosby, a huge swathe of the Motown, Atlantic and Stax catalogues....
Mariah
I've got a soft spot for her too, glad it's soft because it allows me to deep much deeper and ensure she'll not resurface.
The Song Not the Singer
Basically I agree with you dude - I'm not really a fan of Celine either but my point was that I don't think she really deserves all the venom that she gets - there are much worse performers out there. I'm also more interested in artists who write their own songs but bear in mind that (as far as I'm aware) Elvis didn't write his own material either - so songwriting isn't the only criterion to judge an artist by! cheers
Elvis
I had Elvis right at the front of my mind when I wrote that. He's never done anything for me yet. He might one day though.
My Heart Will Go On is gut-wrenchingly bad, without that I think people would pretty much leave her be.
Celine Dion's just released a Christmas album..
called "Many happy returns Jesus, here's a pile of crap"
Celine - she's so bad and I
Celine - she's so bad and I preferred the old nose and she does take herself far far too seriously, the earnestest (!) of the earnest.
Concept Albums - Can't think of a good one, even from the Mighty "Rush", and how bizarre is it that the Manics are worshiping at their altar lately as though they've finally come out.
People are even sneakily doing them now, Killers and that bloody Cincotti who wanted to be Buble but now has become Dean Friedman by finding a Bernie Taupin like character to help him on his way, totally infectious crap in a Take That "Bad For Good" way.
Andrew Lloyd Webber - The Latex Faced, Tory Flag Waver has a face you just want to punch and his tunes provide the motive.
Power Ballads - No and all the groups you mention enhance my case but you missed Bon Jovi's (We Rawk but we are sensitive too!) "Bed Of Roses"
Off the top of my head...
here are a few good ( or at least half-decent ) concept albums..
'What's Going On' Marvin Gaye
'Arthur Or the Decline and Fall Of The British Empire' The Kinks
'Village Green Preservation Society' The Kinks
( In fact...quite a few of the Kinks later 70's output seemed to be half-decent concept albums )
'Aqualung' Jethro Tull
and 'Thick As a Brick' has it's moments too ( although best not mention 'A Passion Play' eh? )
'Songs For Swinging Lovers' Frank Sinatra ( sometimes referred to as the original concept album together with...)
'In the Wee Small Hours Of The Morning'
'SF Sorrow' The Pretty Things
Anything by Frank Zappa
'Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band' The Beatles
'Their Satanic Majesties Request' The Rolling Stones
'Hey Venus' Super Furry Animals
Early Van Dyke Parks albums
'Frank's Wild Years' Tom Waits
'Ogden's Nut Gone Flake' The Small Faces
I'm sure I could go on but my dinner's ready.
Concept Albums - good and bad
On the good side lets not forget The Who, Tommy obviously, Quadrophenia which has its moments and arguably Who's Next.
I have always loved Blows Against The Empire (Jefferson Starship) but that may be my age....us old hippies etc.
Not sure I'd agree about Satanic Majesties. A couple (well one) good song. I remember what a relief it was when Banquet came out and we felt the Stones were back.
BTW is Exile a concept album? (heroin, French Chateau, Muddy mix...)
Is Celine Dion really that bad?
I've no idea. I can't for the life of me think of one song she's performed. Or Maria Carey. I reckon there's no such thing as good music: there's simply music I like, music I don't like and a whole host of background stuff in between. (And a host of stuff that moves from one category to the other in the course of time.) I'm sure they've probably both recorded a few decent tunes in their time but since for me they reside in that musical hinterland, I haven't got the time or inclination to wade through it when I know I've a much, much better chance of finding something I like elsewhere. Life's too short...
GREAT CONCEPT ALBUMS
really ought to include "The Snow Goose" by Camel, a much under-appreciated band IMHO.
Honk
I quite agree Mark. Had my dinner not been imminent I'm sure I would have added this fine ( and unfairly maligned ) piece to my list. So many people now deride Camel's famous appearance on OGWT as being the apogee of so-called 'prog' ( they- shock horror- performed the title track with a...string quartet! ) but, at the age of thirteen ( and allowed to stay up late ) I found it truly inspirational. I was almost tempted to give up my dreams of being Jimmy Page and formed embryonic notions of being chief oboe with the London Philharmonic. But then punk arrived. You know how it is.
Honk x 2
Batman whacked me over the head with a vase, and yelled: T'pau!' I replied groggily: 'Don't you mean Kapow?' 'Nope,' he averred 'I had china in my hand,'
I'm here all week....
ps Greatest concept album - Spiritualized's Ladies and Gentlemen We are Floating in Space. Gets me through the heartache days