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MP3 Players...where next?

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This is the Archos Jukebox 20, the first Mp3 player I ever owned. An heavy, ugly brick of a thing in tacky silver plastic with wobbly push button and blue shock absorber things on each corner. What it lacked in looks it more than made up for in sound quality and the fact it had a line-in and a built in mic so you could record very high quality audio from any source in real time.

I've since got through a few more. After the Archos failed (Battery issue I think) I went for the iRiver H320 which is still to this day the best player I've ever had. A bit chunky, fiddly to use but incredible sound quality and when that finally packed up (battery failure again which I attempted to replace myself..ahem) I was quite shocked when I got my first iPod (Classic 80gb) at how thin and feeble the sound quality was. But I'd gotten used to high capacity and that was the only game it town.

Well, the iPod Classic has finally given up the ghost after 4 years of mediocre (albeit very easy to operate) service. Hard drive failed. It has gone to meet its maker (cheers Mr Jobs).

So, I'm in the market for a new device. Alas, it seems the iPod Classic is still the only game in town if you want more than 32gb of storage. Now I know its a bit silly to carry so much music around but I love the fact its all there whenever I want it and I don't have to be too selective with what gets synced to the device, so lets just take that as a given.

I'm loathe to get another iPod, but there is seemingly nothing else out there. I've read good things about the new Sony Walkman but these are only 32GB and ludicrously expensive for that. I've also heard great things about the Cowon players but alas don't work with 64 Bit Windows apparently. So is it really iPod or nowt?

In theory I could sign up to Spotify and access everything over the cloud via my Smartphone. However, even if I had an unlimited 3G account the network simply isn't up to it and I wouldn't need to go far even in this major conurbation to find myself unable to access my music. The concept is ok but I don't think the network or the battery life of smartphones is up to it yet.

So do any of you tech-savvy/early adopter types know what's on the horizon? How close are we to 3G streaming working anywhere near reliability? I'm aware hard drive based iPods are positively archaic now, but how far are we from portable solid state drives with comparable storage? Or is there some other magic technology in R&D?
What about DAB on a mobile?

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Replace the hard drive on the Classic?

I did mine a few years back. Bought a HD on eBay (it even had someone else's music still on it!) and followed a very simple Youtube vid on how to change it.

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Chris | 25 January 2012 - 7:06am

Unfortunately Apple are savvy to that now

the new classic is manufactured in a way that you need a hammer drill or a nuclear weapon to open the case and any DIY effort will destroy the machine completely.

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Jed Clampett | 25 January 2012 - 9:35am

True enough, but...

... it might be worth getting a "professional" involved. A local place to me (S. London) that mostly does laptop/console repairs, also does iPods, and replaced my classic's HD last year for around £50, not exactly pocket change, but better than starting from scratch...

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Metal Mickey | 25 January 2012 - 10:56am

Maybe 3G *is* up to it...

My current music system is

* cheap-as-chips Android mobile phone (Orange San Francisco) unlocked
* Giffgaff SIM: £10pm , 250 mins, unlimited texts, properly unlimited mobile broadband
* Audiogalaxy.

Audiogalaxy comprises a program on your computer (brimming with musical goodness) which is streamed via a free 'phone app.

I use it in-car or with earphones that block yer lugs sufficiently to be able to hear over the roar of traffic if you're out and about (the San Francisco is a bit quiet on the jack front).

You can also "pin" songs or albums so they are stored on your phone, for those faves you want to hear over & over again (this costs £6 for the privilege).

I find this work pretty well, with occasional sputtering of the music, but I can live with that. If you're a real audiophile you probably won't think much, but for listening to what I want on a whim without carrying it all in my pocket it's superb.

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bogl | 25 January 2012 - 7:47am

Two questions

Battery life: I assume that if you listen in the car, you're not worried about battery life. Surely if you're constantly streaming, the battery would be caned. Is that what you've found? - I'm off to GiffGaff as soon as my contract with the rotten Orange is up and planning to stream from my NAS drive but I'm assuming that it won't replace an ipod for all day, mobile use.
Compression: What standard do you have your files stored in? Obviously the higher the compression, the smaller the file and the less strain on the network.

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JohnW | 25 January 2012 - 8:13am

Good points

Battery life isn't too big a worry. There is a law which states: the higher-end the phone, the less able you are to replace the battery. The SF is sufficiently non-pricey that you can. I carry spares. My car's socket doesn't work but if it did that would be better.

I store files as MP3 320kbps (told you I'm no audiophile) but Audiogalaxy does some fancy footwork to compress on-the-go for streaming. Not sure what that amounts to. The app has an option for "stream high-quality audio" which I have enabled but again dunno what that means. I can tell the difference between compressed and non-compressed but it don't bother me none.

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bogl | 25 January 2012 - 9:35am

This isn't a cheap way of doing it

But an iPhone with iTunes match should allow you to listen to (whenever you want) 25,000 songs. You could do it with an iPod Touch (and they go to 64GB) but only on wifi - would just need a bit more planning if you travel a lot.

You can also get the Tune In radio app (for iPhone, iPod or Android) which beats DAB hands down in choice and sounds fine.

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Leedsboy | 25 January 2012 - 9:42am

My Creative Zen mp3 player...

...has a slot for a memory card(SD card)therefore I can carry any amount around.

I don't though. The unit itself is either 16 or 32gb which is plenty for my music but I use SD cards for video, audiobooks and podcasts/radio shows.

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bigsteviecook | 25 January 2012 - 9:50am

One slight problem

I have a 32GB Creative Zen. Love it for the extra capacity over the old 20GB iRiver and the SD slot was one reason I chose it. A pleasant surprise to find it read SDHC cards, which were new-ish at the time and not every SD-capable device would read them.

The drawback to the SD card is that the player doesn't remember where you were when you use it. If you are listening to the main drive and power off then when you power back on it starts where you left off. If you were listening to the card you have to start from scratch which is a pain because I use it, like you, for podcasts. A real pain if you are trying to listen to a series of them in order.

I still wouldn't swap it for anything else though.

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Skuds | 26 January 2012 - 12:40am

You need a Cowen x7 Mp3 player

The best Mp3 player on the market. Brilliant sound. big hard drive, not made by Apple result.

http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/MP3_Players.1/Cowon_iAudio.15/C...

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MrSib | 25 January 2012 - 10:26am

I'd love to get one of those

but apparently it doesn't work in Windows 7 64 bit so unless they can fix it with some new firmware that's no good to me.

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Dr Volume | 25 January 2012 - 10:41am

The reviews are interesting

Everybody rates the sound quality but there appear to be niggles around battery, interface, screen and ease of use. And most people seem to like it because they use flac. Seems to be the ideal player for a particular type of user.

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Leedsboy | 25 January 2012 - 11:19am

How about the earphones?

The quality of the music can be severely degraded by dodgy earphones. Have you got a decent pair?

My iPod Touch (2+ years old) sounds terrific through a pair of Bose earphones. They're a £70 pair with no noise-cancelling ability but if you listen to them in a relatively benign environment, they're excellent.

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Mark JF | 25 January 2012 - 10:50am

Shure SE.115s

I think the problem is the EU volume cap on iPods as discussed below. Don't need it blasting out but nice to have some headroom. I also miss the graphic EQ I had on the old iRiver.

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Dr Volume | 25 January 2012 - 2:36pm

On the subject of iPod sound quality...

I've found huge variations in the ability of various iPod models to properly drive headphones; I had a pair of Shure E2C in-ears that were always bass-light on the iPod Photo 40Gb that I had at the time, but sounded fine on the 2nd gen iPod Shuffle. My current iPod, an iPod Touch 8Gb, sounds fine with my current in-ear headphones (Klipsch, cheap but surprisingly good) but all of these portable players would fail to drive my home cans (Sennheiser HD800) and might or might not manage to drive my AKGs I use for studio stuff.

Fact is, Apple seem to skimp in the strangest of places, and the headphone amplifier stage would seem a bad choice to save a couple penneth, but there you are...

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oktapod | 25 January 2012 - 11:14am

EU laws?

I bought a Sony Walkman in the sales recently which is very quiet, so it's not just an Apple thing, but checking up on the internet it appears there's volume limiting on UK models, and not just in the user settings. I can just about power a pair of full-size Technics 'phones, but at very low volume. Sometimes there are hacks available to improve output, but I've no idea if this applies to iPods too.

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donttellhimpike | 25 January 2012 - 12:26pm

Interesting...

Wasn't thinking so much about volume so much as control in the sound - even at low volumes it was clear that the iPod Photo 40Gb had issues with the Shure headphones. I think it must be an impedance thing.

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oktapod | 25 January 2012 - 12:48pm

It does

Yep. It does apply to ipods. I just took delivery of a shiny new 6th Gen nano and I like most things about it but it's a pain to use in the car with speech podcasts. It just doesn't go loud enough - the old 1st gen nano that it replaced (for free, so thanks Apple) was absolutely fine. There doesn't seem to be a reliable hack yet. I don't understand why there's a group of people in power in the EU that seem to think they know better than us about what a volume control does!

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JohnW | 25 January 2012 - 2:06pm

Trouble is John

there are always people who need protecting from themselves. Every time I use the tube I can hear someone's (not) personal stereo over the noise of the train which can't be good. Sometimes I can even identify the song. Audiologists are reporting a significant number of teenagers and people in their twenties with hearing damage.

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davebigpicture | 25 January 2012 - 2:37pm

Not my problem

I know exactly what you're saying but I still don't see why someone else's stupidity ends up being my problem. I've thought for a while now that for many products there should be two versions, one for stupid people and one for intelligent people. A simple colour code could distinguish the two.... although some people may pick up the wrong one!

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JohnW | 25 January 2012 - 7:38pm

Other people's stupidity becomes my problem because

I have to endure the noise leaking out of their ears then, a few years later, mine and other's taxes pay for their treatment for a condition which is self inflicted. (Other self inflicted medical conditions are available but they don't annoy me on public transport usually.)

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davebigpicture | 25 January 2012 - 8:18pm

More wallop from your Sony

Try a FiiO E5 Headphone Amplifier. I've found that, together with a decent pair of headphones, this solid little box (fits between phones and unit)it makes a big difference to my volume-limited Sony Walkman. £14 at Amazon.

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geebee | 25 January 2012 - 4:20pm

iphone

I recently changed from ipod classic to iphone 4s, the volume seems to be a lot better and it sounds very good through the Shure SE115s

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Pat Carty | 25 January 2012 - 12:40pm

A mention for Spotify

If you sign up to the full subscription, you get offline access on your smartphone which allows you to take up to 3,333 songs offline, so no 3G connection available. Spotify is smart enough to figure out if you're on a 3G signal and stream, or you can force it into Offline Mode if your data allowance is getting tight. You can stay in offline mode for a month before it disables the offline songs, until you go online so it can validate your subscription.

I admittedly don't travel too much and my use of Spotify is mainly whilst walking so usually 4 hours constant use is my maximum, so 3,333 songs (and the iPhone useless battery life) is enough for me. Your mileage may vary, as our American chums say.

Rich

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AgentGraves | 25 January 2012 - 1:16pm

For anyone...

...bothered about the volume on a iPod, there are several solutions. I use iPod Volumebooster (here: http://volumebooster.tangerine-soft.de/) but apparently it won't work on iPods post 2009 and it's Mac only.

Or, there's this: http://www.softpedia.com/get/IPOD-TOOLS/Multimedia-IPOD-tools/euPOD-Pro.... I haven't tried it...

Or, on iTunes as an app, Volume Up Soundbooster - iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad. 69p. I haven't tried this, largely because the volume and sound quality on my iPhone is much better than the iPod

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Toffee the Cat | 25 January 2012 - 9:07pm

why can't you just order an ipod from the states

or australia or another jurisdiction without the limiter law ?

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Junior Wells | 26 January 2012 - 10:36am

Why doesn't size matter any more?

What I don't understand about mp3 players is why so many of them are 4GB, 8GB, 16GB and very few much bigger than that.

Ten years ago it looked like the size would keep increasing then at some point people seemed happy with <10GB. A surprise because ten years ago I found my 20GB iRiver filled up pretty quickly and that was just music. How is it that that people are happy with 8GB machines nopw when they also watch video on them?

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Skuds | 26 January 2012 - 12:44am

It does matter

The ipod continued to increase in capacity until Sept 2007 when it stopped at 160G for the classic (still short of enough to fit everything on) and the 16G nano didn't appear for another year. I think the thing is, once you've accepted that you can't carry all your stuff in one ipod, 16G is just about enough... although had they brought out a higher capacity nano I would have got one by now, just to give me a bit more headroom.
Note, the biggest MP3 sellers are still ipods and you can't watch video on the current nanos.

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JohnW | 26 January 2012 - 8:15am

Conspiracy theorists...

... will tell you this is part of the Grand Plan to get everyone into The Cloud, by halting development of ever bigger memories, and sticking to the smaller capacity models.

On the other hand, bearing in mind that apparently the average UK household record collection is less than 40 albums, <10MB is clearly enough for most "civilians"...

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Metal Mickey | 26 January 2012 - 9:21am

My iPod touch

is 64GB so there are options above 16GB.

I can't get all my music on it though so it is too small to carry my collection around. However, carrying my entire collection around is mostly impractical. Filling it up with music makes it tricky to use in my car. Whilst my car has a snazzy interface that lets me scroll through the artists, having several hundred artists to scroll through in the car is a real pain and hardly a major contribution to road safety. So I tend to only keep favourites, play lists and recent stuff on it.

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Leedsboy | 26 January 2012 - 11:08am

It's because

the hard disk drives inside the original iPod and the first generation of mp3 players (i.e those with moving parts and an actual spinning disk inside) are just too unreliable and fragile hence my iPod is knackered after just 4 years of use.

Apart from the iPod Classic and the Cowon model, all mp3 players are now based on solid state drives (like a memory stick), and at the moment 32GB seems to be the maximum that can be provided without the device becoming ridiculously expensive.

The other reason is that a lot of people now prefer to use their smartphone to listen to music instead of carrying around a separate mp3 player. People are happy to trade off that extra storage space for the convenience of having one device that does all.

Personally, I still prefer to have a separate device for music not least because of the battery life issue with most smartphones. If I'm on a long train journey I want to be able to listen to music without running the battery down on my mobile phone.

It does feel like the market has withdrawn from the high capacity hard drive based mp3 players rather too quickly, but I think what this has done is made your average consumer realise they don't need all that storage, so people like me who love the idea of carrying around the entire back catalogue of The Fall plus 100s of other LPs are in the minority.

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Dr Volume | 27 January 2012 - 3:21am
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