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Moyles or less
I've just read Giles Smith piece in Junes edition, and I think I should put my head above the parapit, and say, i'm a Word reader and a Fan of Chris 'saviour of Radio1' Moyles. These thing do not have to be mutually exclusive.
Much of Moyles' dislike is second hand, based on hearsay and a percieved idea of what he's like. Is he Stephen Fry,or Ian Hislop, the whitty banter spcialists? NO, but then i'm not sure thats what i'm looking for a 6.30AM. Does he bang on and on about 'new music' for so long it's been replaced by the next new fad? No, he'll openly express his opinion, and then dear reader, he'll admit, 2 or 3 weeks down the road if he was wrong!
Does he give an air of musical superiority? No, but listen to his golden hour on a Friday,
Oh, and he's not affriad to drop song beloved of the play list team
anyway just a thought
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I can tolerate him
I do find myself listening to Moyles most mornings, and I don't find him as repulsive as most of the Word massive seem to.
He can be very funny, especially when its just him and his 'team' chatting, but I have to switch off when he is talking to callers. This is when he turns into the bully that so many people think of him as. If he decides he doesn't like a caller then you're in for a very awkward 5-10 minutes of radio.
His music tastes are seriously questionable and I actually dread the golden hour. I can no longer put up with the introduction of a 'classic' and be told that if I don't like this song then there's something wrong with me, only to have Foo Fighters 'Monkey Wrench' rammed down my throat again.
But then this is Radio 1 and I know what to expect!
I haven't heard him do the
I haven't heard him do the hanging-up-on-callers thing for a while. Indeed this morning they were celebrating the monosyllabic Ben on Cheggers Pop Quiz single their little Benny-benny-ben song.
He hung up on Phil off of
He hung up on Phil off of the Apprentice the other morning. He was launching into a boring anecdote about his favourite moment on the show and Moyles cut him off. Quite right too.
Well
I've heard him and he's rubbish. Whatever I want at 6.30 in the morning, it's not someone who thinks of gags in between records then gets his team to go back to what they were saying so he can make his joke. That is the text-book definition of slow-witted.
Moyles..
..attracts praise and brickbats in equal measure but I'm with Giles. Whilst Moyles isn't a complete spod, he appreciates decent music. His tendancy towards mindless bullying has receded, his tolerance of the stupid is minimal and he makes for good listening; indeed, his listenership is a matter of concern for the Powers because it apparently consists largely of ABC1 blokes in their thirties and forties who should, according to the demograph, be listening to Wogan but instead choose something with a little more wit. How Wogan has managed to avoid the ire of The Mail for merely reading out emails in homely fashion every day is beyond me.
Count me in
Well, you're not the only one, but there might just be two of us. I've tried supporting Moyles before on this site, I seemed to be alone.
http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/oh-bloody-hellchris-moyleson-tv-ag...
As I said in the other thread, Moyles is a real fan of radio and actually seems quite perceptive about the medium, as opposed to some of the people on Radio 2 who just seem to on radio 2 because they're famous for something else.
For me it took a little while to get Moyles, mainly you have to get to know the team, because unlike Steve Wright anonymous giggling pack, there seems to be a real relationship between the 6+ of them. Dominic's the funny one.
I'd agree that the golden hour (on Fridays, between 9 and 10) is one of the most fun things on radio. Give it a listen, Word People, you might like it!
Looks
for anyone sticking head above parapet and takes careful aim.....
I have to admit I just cannot abide Moyles; it's nowt to do with him being or bearded anything as risible as that. He's a bullying, boorish, unfunny borderline homophobic buffoon who seems to delight in having little interest in music.
I had the misfortune of being in the same pub as Christopher and his cackling coterie of cronies a wee while back, but sadly wasn't quite refreshed enough to pass on my good wishes.
And he supports Dirty Leeds
The Leeds bit is a redeeming feature.
Other than that, I don't hate him but I don't like him. I can't listen to him for very long but then I can't listen to Radio 1 for very long. Its probably me though.....
He plays music these days ?
Blimey. He must be growing up. I remember when he did the afternoon show it was not exactly overladen with tunes.
One song an hour was by no means unusual : instead you had this oaf with acute verbal diarrhea.
Nope, dislike of Moyles is not based on hearsay, but on flicking to One hoping for entertainment and instead getting this shouty bloke shouting shouty crap into my ear. If I want that of a morning I can always get to work a little quicker.
And he is a charisma-free zone on the telly, but he keeps on turning up.
Scott Mills is worse though.
Tried him, didn't like him
I've listened a few times - I found him smug, a bully, homophobic, and unfunny.
Not for me at all, and I've given him enough attempts.
all that from a few listens
all that from a few listens ;)
Actually the post was better recieved than i thought. I was expecting to be shot down in flames [from my parapet..?]
Also suprised no one blasted me for my spelling, should explain that they [ and aho are'they', the IT wizards] needed to shut down the system, so no time to spell check.
I'm not saying that everyone should like him, but just that is OK to like what he does and still listen to Gris-Gris or your worn out copy of Tres Hombres on vinyl
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nasty man. self obsessed, borderline racist, homophobic bully. Ugly on the inside. Greedy, self absorbed ignoramus. IMHO.
oh - and I support 'dirty' Leeds too.
Does he still do his spoof songs? I read he gets paid the royalties for those. Dunno if it's true. When I used to listen on my way to work I'd hear 4 songs in half an hour - one was always by Scouting for Girls, Razorlight or the Enemy and one was by Moyles himself.
Count me in too
I'm a Word reader and a Chris Moyles fan.
I don't mind people if they don't like his radio personality, that's just a matter of opinion.
However, the one thing that does get to me is the constant abuse for his weight, especially when people complain that he is a 'bully'. If you really think he is (which I think is highly debatable), then don't ruin your own argument by calling him fat.
He's a very good morning DJ if you get in with the running 'soap opera' style of chat. Also he's genuinely very good at running the desk - I can't remember who on the Word Magazine or Forum called for more genuine radio professionals on the radio, but he certainly is one of them.
DrJ's Tedious Link
We're now up to FIVE Chris Moyles fans here, oddly enough that's seven more than Bono has on the Word Website.
Now, who want's to go over to the Moyles message board and find someone who listens to the Word podcast...
http://chrismoyles.net/phpBB3/
You'll find me for a start
I frequent both websites.
Okay if you like that sort of thing...I suppose...whatever..
Well apart from being able to 'work' the desk and maintain some 'basic' banter which are pretty much fundamental to any DJ's job he's harmless I suppose. He's totally initimidated by women guests he's unfamiliar with and jealous of other peoples' natural talent that he could only wish for to carry his career any further. Usually bad interviews are always blamed on the 'uptightness' of the guests to save face. Plenty better than him out there - time for a change.
To hate him, or anyone, is a waste of time. BullyTwatFatso.
I also hate him...
... mainly for the borderline homophobia.
But do you know something? Were I the boss of radio 1 and forced to sack him, I wouldn't be able to think of a suitably "poppy" replacement.
If he was genuinley homophobic
would he have a gay member of his production team, whom he has been friends with for many years?
Aled's personal views on the homophobia claims make interesting reading.
So
he can't be homophobic cos some of his best friends are queer? :-)
To a certain degree, yes.
He's on air for 17.5 hours a week, and talking for a lot of that (like it or lump it). If you listened, you'd soon see that the banter between Chris and Aled is the same as the rest of the team give and get.
Over-steps the line sometimes when ribbing his friends? Yes.
Homophobic? Definitely not.
Aled himself best explains it here:
http://chrismoyles.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=17761&start=600#p3803...
All well and good...
... but frankly I'd be more convinced if they came from Moyles rather than Aled.
I'm not claiming here that everything that happens on air is "exactly" as it is in real life. Nor am I denying that Moyles and Aled aren't, to a certain extent playing on air roles. But I am saying that the balance of power between "talent" and "staff" on radio shows is not an equal one and that while Aled is a crucial element to the show as it exists now, he's not irreplaceable and he knows it. Therefore its in his interest to defend Moyles. He does have to work with him. Again though, Aled knows Moyles, i don't, so his remarks carry more validity than anything I can say.
I just think that Moyles reminds me of bewilderingly popular, unfunny guys at school who bullied people. I don't like that dynamic and I hear it on that show.
I agree with ganglesprocket
ganglesprocket has articulated my concern here - this is one of Moyles' staff, who relies on the success of the show for his career, denying that his boss is homophobic. But I am not alone in having heard Moyles use "gay" as a strongly pejorative term.
And as long as I'm paying a licence fee, I'll object to a BBC employee promoting that kind of worldview. (on reflection, I would object to someone on Radio Clyde using the same language).
Homophobe? who cares frankly...mind your own business
Everyone has an inalienable right to be whatever they want to be, whether it's a perfect humanitarian or a homophobic racist - as long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others. For him, as long as he doesn't broadcast any hatred he's welcome to harbour whatever thoughts he wants. No one has the right to tell him not to have those thoughts. Speculating what his real opinions are on these issues are nonsensical - it's nobody's business. Having Aled as a friend or black people as friends is NOT an acid test of homophobia or racism and so do not support such speculation.
He does, without doubt, make his authority in the studio crystal clear. Normally this doesn't need to be invoked but it's mere presence, I feel, intimidates more than it should. This, admittedly has receded in the past which is a good thing.
However all these matters are eclipsed by the relentless dumbed-down waste of opportunity he chooses to broadcast to a formula-fed dumbed-down audience. When I say "Fan", you say..."Dabi-bloody-dozy"
if he was in his own house, I'd agree. ish.
But he is not just in his own house, he is broadcasting and making homophobic language appear funny & cool by dint of his position. Thereby infringing on the rights of others.
So I think we have a right to dislike his public, publicly-funded homophobia.
You can villify him for
You can villify him for broadcasting as a homophobe but you can't insist that he shouldn't BE one.
Out of interest, of the thousands of hours broadcasted, how much of this has been actually offensive to persecuted minorities? We're talking literally 2 or 3 contiguous minutes maximum.
I agree with Barren Teets, too, up to a point.
If Chris Moyles was a binman in Leeds, I would feel less of an opinion over his views.
I don't think any of my comments above are insisting that he should not be homophobic in his own time, in private.
However I do think that as a public broadcaster, he should not espouse homophobia. My taxes and licence fee contribute to his salary.
So, Barren Teets, where do you stand on his homophobia ? Should he be broadcasting it ? Should he support it ?
Well, I'm waiting for an
Well, I'm waiting for an answer as to actually HOW MUCH perceived homophobic material has he broadcasted throughout his total airtime. I'm guessing very little indeed, so that's a good start. Of the material he has broadcast, the nature seems very badly judged as opposed to driven by hatred - more a schoolboy error. So I believe 'from what I've heard' he isn't homophobic. On a scale which features other outpourings from the media, Moyles registers almost insignificantly.
Back to rights - and this is most important. When a gay man is attacked, his rights have been infringed by his attacker - he took the responsibility to make that decision to attack regardless of what he's heard, seen or read. In law, and logically, he is liable for his actions, not radio, not newspapers, tv, Scarface, American History x, Taxidriver, UFC, Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. These latter examples should clarify how ridiculous it is to scrupulously control radio alone.
I'm waiting for an answer too.
It appears you listen to him more than me. I have no way to calculate the proportion of his homophobic comments.
The homophobia I heard drove me away from his show.
What is your opinion on his homophobia ? On his responsibility as a very well paid public broadcaster ?
Ofcom : http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/mar/23/chris-moyles-reprimanded-wil...
If you don't reply to the question, then I will assume that you are just looking for trouble here. Your response above certainly looks that way.
How am I looking for
How am I looking for trouble? I'm trying to answer as fully as I can so please don't hold me to a deadline.
You yourself will find that there is very little evidence against him. Yes the Will Young stuff was misjudged, the Auschwitz comment was misjudged, the Polish being prostitutes comment was misjudged. Do you honestly think he was trying to offend gays and Jews in order to make some serious hateful comment on their communities? Of his many skills which I will grant he possesses, speed of judgement is not one which is why he shouldn't sail so close to the wind on subjects which may harbour offence.
I haven't listened to all his broadcast (6 years?)but I know for certain that some 'shock-jocks' allowed to broadcast would out-trump Moyles' whole career with just one of their shows.
His responsibily? I've told you - 'not to broadcast offensive material' as deemed by the appropriate regulatory body. Not as deemed by me, you, gays, or my Jewish auntie. If he transgresses then it's his employer's responsibility to penalise him appropriately. Does this answer your question - which I've seen to be drawn on but am happy to oblige.
This isn't a comment on whether or not he is homophobic
but homophobes, racists, sexists etc also pay taxes and licence fees so the argument that one might not want the BBC to pay someone who may be one or more of the above must take into consideration their feelings too.
On the other hand, promotion of racial or homophobic hatred is illegal so no broadcaster should have DJs who do this, regardless of how they are funded. If he is indeed homophobic then there are mechanisms to deal with that.
Pro-Moyles
Just to add my vote to the Pro-Moyles party. How many of us could talk and talk for hours a day for a decade or more, trying to be funny, without coming close to crossing the line into bad taste? Not many, probably.
"Without coming close to crossing the line into bad taste" ?
How many inches over the line are the following :
- telling Dr Fox : 'I'm gonna tear his head off and poo down his neck'
- he would take the virginity of Charlotte Church, when she reached sixteen.
- referring to female listeners as "dirty whores"
- his flippant Auschwitz comments earlier this year
- claiming that Poles make good prostitutes
Over the line ? Over a cliff. One day his career will go over the cliff in a Wile E. Coyote way.
It's Radio One.
It's actually meant to be dumb.