More words please

Am I alone in yearning for a bit more depth and substance to Word features? Don't get me wrong. I like the magazine, and have been a subscriber for several years. But to me the magazine is let down by too many short, superficial features that demand little from the attention span. Take this month’s issue for example. What’s the point of sending Kate Mossman all the way to the south of France if you’re only going to give her two and a half pages to explore the complex, enigmatic cove that is Kevin Ayers? The articles on Boycott and Wakeman came across as comfy ten-minute chats – the literary equivalent of Parky – patently with products to plug. Only Paul Du Noyer’s feature on the new Lennon biography gave me something to get my teeth into.
I appreciate that all this griping may be the consequence of old age and nostalgia. I remember the great days of Q in the late 80s - a high water-mark of music journalism, and the place where I gained much of my musical education. I can still recall the thrill and anticipation that came with each new issue and I’ve been searching for that vital spark ever since. Where is Tom Hibbert when you need him?
Alas, time moves on. Word retains the same sense of humour - and many of the writers - from that golden period, but somehow lacks the magic mix of frivolity and seriousness that made Q so great. Mojo has already been admonished many times in these pages. It lacks personality and is far too reverent for it’s own good. But at least it allows its writers the space to tackle its subjects with sufficient depth and insight.
On a final, ironic note, do we really need a whole page review of yet another re-release of Carole King’s Tapestry when you can’t even find 100 words for the latest Durutti Column album?

I would consider myself a Word Loyalist but......

Maybe its the summer hols......maybe its the ecomomic downturn but for the last few issues the magazine is definately gone off the boil and for all the reasons you mentioned above.

However there was such a high quality threshold in the first instance that I'm biding my time for the "Big Return to Form" because its still the first magazine on my list every month.

But I don't disagree with one thing you said.

Springer Bell | 23 September 2008 - 4:19pm

Not enough Words??

There are some good points there Martin. I imagine this is a deliberate strategy or maybe Ellen and Hepworth have just got short attention spans. I'm surprised, given the presence of contributors like Andy Gill and Paul DuNoyer, that more in depth articles are not included in Word's format. I actually find the blog is sometimes more interesting.

Speaking of Mojo, this months issue, just released here in Canada is a bit of a return to form. Good article on the first part of the White Album, nice retrospective on "Murmur" and a decent article on Marianne Faithful. Fairly pointless cover version CD though.

Bang Em In Bingham | 23 September 2008 - 4:23pm

Can't agree

Been a reader since issue 1 and a subscriber since not long after and read Word pretty much because of the lack of ponderous in depth pieces to get my teeth into - haven't even glanced at the Lennon article to be honest.
I want it to entertain and inform me but not take it all far too seriously like certain other magazines. For anything more in depth I'll read a book.

Madrid | 23 September 2008 - 4:32pm

Lennon - NO!

Can't agree twice over. The Lennon article was a lump of stodge. Leave it to Uncut to peddle this sort hot air. The Kevin Ayers piece was brilliant and caught the person in a sad way. An article does not need to be long if it does the job intended. Word Editors, if in doubt cut it.

N2Peach | 30 September 2008 - 10:47am

Words

I rather enjoyed Kate's Kevin Ayers feature. It may not have been an in-depth piece covering his musical output over the decades but it did give a fascinating insight into his current, shall we say, situation.

And the recent John Martyn piece was a blinder.

Crowdedmouse | 23 September 2008 - 4:33pm

I like a mix

And normally its pretty good. I like a couple of articles that are long and chewy - ideally not q and a types either. To me, I like the personality of the writer to come through which it never really does unless its a decent size piece. But I like the 2 page interviews as well - they are great to dip into (and I have a habit of reading while brushing my teeth and the shorter articles are great for this).

Not that sure the mag has gone of the boil - this month was fine but I found the Lennon piece not worthy of the cover. Unlike the Lemmy and John Martyn pieces which I thought were great. Perhaps it was because the actual piece was really a Philip Norman interview.

I still read everything in it so I'm happy.

Lee Rimmer | 23 September 2008 - 4:35pm

you lost me at Kevin ayers...

although a durutti column review would be nice. they have v long articles in uncut which is fine but what if you are not interested in their 5 rotating featured artists.

Chris G | 23 September 2008 - 4:54pm

I like a mix of long and

I like a mix of long and short articles too. I thought the piece on star specialisms was excellent. Some intriguing snapshots. My point is that the long articles are, er, too short. There seems to be an innate editorial reluctance to allow writers room to roam, almost as if the mag. doesn't want to come across as too learned. I think the magazine suffers as a consequence.

Martin | 23 September 2008 - 4:55pm

Development Hell

Any comments due from the esteemed staff at Word on this?
Or are they too busy preparing an eight page feature on The Miracle Legion?

Crowdedmouse | 23 September 2008 - 5:02pm

Probably not allowed to post

On anything to do with Editorial Policy. Still guys you could go on as "Concerned Reader"!

Pagey | 24 September 2008 - 11:54am

Staff

The editorial staff are in the middle of Press Week - i.e. all hands to the pumps, silly hours etc. I wouldn't expect to hear a peep out of them at the moment.

Fraser Lewry | 24 September 2008 - 11:59am

However,

Now that you're here.....................!

Springer Bell | 24 September 2008 - 12:09pm

I agree with Martin

.......I said in another post that I put it down to post-hols malaise, but the Lennon cover and non-article - WHAT exactly is so earth shattering about the book other than the fact that JL was a pretty screwed up individual - suggest a sagging of energy. A mate of mine has gone back to Uncut, saying "there isn't enough about music in Word" which is a bit much but what he means is the jokey stuff - best of/worst of etc is taking over from the music. I wouldn't go that far but I know what he means. Oh, and I missed Shelby Lynne because there is no news section (go on, tell me it was mentioned somewhere - I missed it though!). My Uncut mate went to the gig - saw it in Uncut.......

Not considering abandoning ship yet but one more Beatle cover and the subscription gets it.

Twangothan | 23 September 2008 - 5:05pm

I've got to agree on the Lennon cover/non-article

It promised a lot on the cover "the most explosive rock story of the year" but I read it twice and still couldnt find the explosion. I guess it was Norman suggesting Lennon fancied both his own mother & Paul McCartney, but 1) that's Norman's opinion not a fact and 2) we've all done that haven't we? Made the Daily Mail though! Also didnt think it was a very good picture of Lennon. Certainly not a front cover picture.

The rest of the mag is pretty darn good though. Lots of different interesting stuff. Loved the Boycs article (but felt 2 pages quite sufficient; a perfect miniature)and the Ayers piece (would have liked more of this - though having heard him on Stuart Macconie podcast I think Kate did well to get a couple of coherent pages out of him).

As for a long term (or even medium term) decline I dont see it. I thought Word was on a roll until The Dead Rock Star cover of August 2008, which did seem a contrived article designed to justify a (albeit very nice) picture of a Beatle on the cover. The rest of that magazine was good as was the Lemmy edition.

So no! I will defend Word stoutly (two Beatles covers excepted). I do agree that maybe one further longer piece would be welcome in each edition. I also miss little Jude Rogers - both her articles and her podcast manner. Please ask her to pop her head round the door more often, with her lovely Welsh voice.

And further customer feedback (although I dont pay for podcasts of course so not strictly a customer in this respect) I really like the Backstage podcasts - interesting people and David Hepworth does his grown up voice for a change.

And another thing.....! The best podcasts have to have Mark Ellen and David Hepworth in them, together.

dolly | 23 September 2008 - 5:59pm

Podcasts

Agree on the Hepworth/Ellen quality hallmark but the mighty Matt Hall is up there with them in my humble opinion.

Lee Rimmer | 23 September 2008 - 7:19pm

Totally agree - Matt is excellent

And I love Andrew Harrison as well. Especially when the subject of butchery presents itself.

In fact all of the Word team are good value - its just that if either Mark or David are missing its just not quite as good...

dolly | 25 September 2008 - 4:08pm

Agree also

Forgot about Mr Harrison. Any 3 of that 4 work for me.

Lee Rimmer | 25 September 2008 - 4:24pm

Word Up

I thought Kate Mossman's piece on Kevin Ayers was one of the best pieces in this month's issue; it really captured the essence of Ayers and his surroundings. Great writing, felt like I was sitting next to him with a glass of red, whilst sucking on the last drags of a damp roll up.
I know what you mean re the Lennon piece, not sure if it was worthy of the cover, although Lennon's polar neck blended beautifully with the red Word logo. Although one cannot fault Lennon's genius, the more I read about him one cannot help but think he wasn't a particularly nice person at the best of times.
Kind of Beatled Up at the moment, a feature on The Ramones and indeed a cover story on them would be lovely.

David Wright | 23 September 2008 - 7:27pm

Right now, I'm happy...

...and more than a little puzzled at the repeated quibbling around here. I thought Kate Mossman did pretty well to spin two-and-a-half pages out of her visit to Kevin Ayers, whose best years - and sadly not only as an artist - would appear to be behind him.

Personally, if I see any Mojo-style multi-page retrospectives around these parts then I'm quite likely to be having it away on my toes. Don't know where yet, but it's more likely to be the relaunched Readers Digest than the NME.

Philip Bryer | 23 September 2008 - 7:46pm

Yes, the Kevin Ayers piece was good but ...

.. to me it just felt like an outline sketch. Ditto the Killing Joke article. It was all wrapped up rather too hastily for my taste.

Martin | 23 September 2008 - 7:53pm

I just have an allergy...

...to anything that begins with a lengthy geographical rundown of the Mississippi Delta and the road into Clarksdale and shotgun shacks and sons of sharecroppers etc, etc, done-to-death, etc, etc...

Philip Bryer | 24 September 2008 - 1:32pm

Tom Hibbert

Does anyone know if Mr Hibbert is writing anywhere these days? I used to love those 'Who the hell does ... think he is?' bits in Q, and also remember him writing really funny stuff in the Observer and Mail on Sunday. Time for a comeback in The Word?

Wyatt | 23 September 2008 - 7:56pm

Seconded

I don't recall reading anything by him that wasn't entertaining and informative. He gave journalists a good name....

Lee Rimmer | 23 September 2008 - 8:52pm

Short pitched bowling

Yes, I think he would have had "Our Geoffrey" on the back foot in no time. Nobody probed the corridor of uncertainty like Tom Hibbert.

Martin | 23 September 2008 - 11:08pm

wasn't it becoming a problem

that the name Tom Hibbert became synonymous with having the unmerciful piss ripped out of you in Q

PR: Hello, is that Q Magazine, Ken from the band Bros is available for an interview if any of you guys...

Q front desk: Yeah, sure, we'll, er, get somebody down to meet him

PR: Oh Jesus, it's not Tim Hibbert is it.

*click*

ivan | 24 September 2008 - 9:37am

Tom Hibbert also wrote...

a brilliant article for Q on the Grateful Dead which converted me. Have no criticism of Word but anything by TH would add icing to a generous cake.

Cornwall Guy | 25 September 2008 - 10:40am

I think Martin has a valid point

I have of late found that features, though good, leave me feeling a little bit like, oh, is that it? And as for the more light weight elements, inspired and entertaining as they can be - do they always all have to be there each month even when inspiration is a bit short? Could drop the odd one now and again until better ideas come so as to allow interesting, serious pieces/interviews to fully develop. Hate to be negative, mag is still a source of great pleasure - but since you mention it...

The Eagles podcast was excellent - outstanding interview, knowing to keep comments to a minimum and let a fine interviewee speak, I could have taken more but was very satisfied with what I got. Exactly the kind of thing I would like in the magazine - and I'm not even much of an Eagles fan.

Sven | 23 September 2008 - 9:58pm

I opened a box this afternoon

as part of my endless house move, and came across an old issue of Rolling Stone. A really old issue of Rolling Stone, like twenty-odd years old. So I had a quick flick, as you do. It had a long piece in it about the intertwined lives, joint coming of age, respective comeuppance and shared demons of Jerry Lee Lewis and his cousin Jimmy Swaggart. It was ostensibly about rock 'n' roll and religion, yes, but it was really about a lot more than that. I read the whole thing standing up in the hall, next to the box.

Later I flicked through this month's Word, which I'd been saving for a non-box-opening window in my schedule, and learned that John once had the hots for Paul, maybe.

What I'm trying to say here is. . . never mind, I'm sure you know perfectly well what I'm trying to say here.

Archie Valparaiso | 23 September 2008 - 10:30pm

I know exactly what you mean

I keep old copies of Rolling Stone for the very purpose of going back to them and re-reading those long in-depth features. But The Word ain't no Rolling Stone. It never was. But it did used to have more depth than it does currently. The Lennon cover 'story' was ridiculous.

The trouble is that it is following the current trend for bite-size articles, repetitive lists, little snippets of information, and gossip. These used to be a small part of the magazine but seem to be dominating more and more.

I don't think it's unique in going in this direction - Q, Uncut, Mojo ...

All magazines meet the same fate someday, cyclical and shrunk, and boring someone in some dark hallway. (Ahem!)

Steven C | 24 September 2008 - 10:21am

Thing is...

if the content is pitched at the demographic of the readership, someone seems to have forgotten that we're the pre-MTV, pre-soundbite, pre-snippet o' this and a smidgin o' that generation. We can watch a film without fidgeting nervously if there isn't a nuclear explosion in the first four minutes. Hell, we can watch films made in the 1970s - even ones without any helicopters in them at all. We can meet new people at dinner parties and gradually get to know them rather than just logging on to MySpace to find another add. We're pot roasts, not Pot Noodles, so give it to us long and straight - we can take it!

Archie Valparaiso | 24 September 2008 - 10:35am

I would like

a couple of 'proper' in depth pieces every month. I quite like the frivolous stuff on the whole (although the 99% truth thing never works for me). Would happily read more about the industry as well not just the artists.

Lee Rimmer | 24 September 2008 - 10:39am

Proper is the word

It's not that there's no place for secondhand tittle-tattle about dead Beatles or Lemmy interviews, just that I'd prefer an issue's main cover feature to be a bit more, er, grown up.

I'm a relatively new subscriber to the mag, only on my third issue. Because I don't live in the UK I'd only seen one issue before a couple of years ago, and I took out the subscription largely on the strength of this blog. But I've been rather disappointed to find that the level of discourse (horrid word but there we go) here is often actually higher than it is in the magazine.

It's all very well trying to be bright and chipper, and God knows nobody is expecting the monthly Sight and Sound of rock, but the line between perky and puerile is a fine one, and recently I've found the mag a bit unsteady on its feet when it comes to walking it.

Archie Valparaiso | 24 September 2008 - 11:05am

I would like to say that

I am as flippant and short-attention spanned as the best of them. Sadly pre-MTV as well.

dolly | 25 September 2008 - 4:17pm

I came to Word for the humour and the articles

Funnily the week I first bought Word I had looked up David Hepworth's blog/email address and intended to send him a pleading note to tell him get his finger out and get a decent magazine on the shelves again, then picked up Word, which ticked all my boxes, saw who was involved and thought Bingo.

Humour still intact but the good reads are there less and less. It was the reason I gave up on Q.
Uncut (which I buy), for me doesn't have the humour that took me to Word. Mojo (which I buy in airports) is for me very up its own arse although when they cover a topic they do give it "the full on" to be fair.

I thought Kate Mossman's article on Kevin Ayers was top drawer because it put you with her and her photographer. This stuff I like. And I can imagine the fun she had trying to put that story together. I'd just like more of the stuff like that.

Carol King's Tapestry gets a page and Kings of Leon get relegated to the masses. To me that should have been a headline album.

I know its about getting mass appeal and growing organically but the stuff Word was good at and which drew readers in the first place should be sacrosanct IMHO.

And 99% True is due a very long holiday.

Springer Bell | 24 September 2008 - 11:14am

It's perfect...

It's word magazine..shut up!
(Thank you Macca)

shane pacey | 23 September 2008 - 11:28pm

Well I agree with the guys

I don't want Heat I want "Proper" articles.

The Drake | 24 September 2008 - 11:51am

Shane I thought I saw this post this morning

What did you do. Add another ..

Pagey | 24 September 2008 - 11:55am

He has a point

I have read the magazine from day one, but now I find some of it tiresome. Maybe I'm getting old, but I really can't be bothered with rubbish like the Redneck Register and Here's Looking Like You. 99% True has run its time and I'm sure the back page could be put to better use.

Last month there was a piece on how Pierce Brosnan had killed his career by appearing in Mama Mia. At the very same time Brosnan's agent was probably taking calls and adding another 0 to Brosnan's fee, on the strength of Mama Mia. Word has never exactly had its finger on the pulse of modern culture, but it used to be able to find it once in a while.

Simon Ford | 24 September 2008 - 8:14am

Point proven

when Mark Ellen admitted he'd never heard of Leona Lewis before the closing ceremony of the Olympics.

Now, I know Leona Lewis isn't exactly Word material, but you'd have thought he might have vaguely seen a mention of her somewhere in a magazine or newspaper!

robram | 25 September 2008 - 12:54pm

Lennon Article = Extended Book Review

I was at first put off by the Lennon cover, but eventualy succumbed and bought this months issue for the David Simon feature. The Lennon article was not remotely "explosive", it was just an extended book review. I can cope with that as I wouldn't actually want Word to do a big Lennon feature. McCartney maybe, if it focussed on his new stuff, but not Lennon. They should have presented it as a review as it would have appeared as less of a yawn.

The Wire article felt far more prominent in the issue and I would have been happy with more of that though. It would be nicer to have had that on the cover too, though thats not really all that important so I suppose it's whichever sells better (though I find it hard to beleive many people will only buy a music monthly if there's a "60s icon" on the cover). The recent issue does feel a bit fluffy compared to previous ones, it's probably all the summer festivals and holidays. It would have made more sense to me to make the festivals review a bit bigger.

kidpresentable | 24 September 2008 - 11:51am

I actually didn't mind the Lennon Article as such but...

It would have been better as a review, because some of Philip Norman's theory's deserve to be taken to task. It was just begging to have him stand over some of his conclusions.

Pagey | 24 September 2008 - 12:00pm

Advert

I checked twice to see if it was one of those promotional "articles" we've had recently - Rock Band etc - it just bigged up another dull book about John bloody Lennon, about whom surely there is nothing left to say.

Twangothan | 24 September 2008 - 12:05pm

True

The idea that he 'considered an affair with Paul' is absurd. Who 'considers an affair' with someone? Besides, both of them were straight. It's bollocks.
And I don't for a minute believe that he fancied his own mum, that's just stupid.

Niks | 24 September 2008 - 12:35pm

Unless

"And I don't for a minute believe that he fancied his own mum, that's just stupid".

Maybe unless you're name is Cletus.

Springer Bell | 24 September 2008 - 12:42pm

or

Freud. Especially if you also like playing with mud (the stuff rather than Les Gray).

Lee Rimmer | 24 September 2008 - 12:44pm

Good one!

Actually spluttered my lunch.

Springer Bell | 24 September 2008 - 12:47pm

A subscriber writes..

Agree with many of the comments here. When the mag is good it's a joy to read but there's a little too much padding in there for me. It used to stand out from all the other music mags but its now increasingly resembling Uncut and Mojo (Two George Harrison covers in the same month! Did he even get that treatment when he was alive?). The death knell will be a 'Making of Dark Side of the Moon' feature so please stay away from that one. Be braver - longer articles on stuff you love and more features on books or sports. And no more dead rock stars please. If you can't find a living one to put on the cover go with someone from another field.

Gareth | 24 September 2008 - 12:11pm

Unfortunately Guys

Although I do agree with you in almost everything discussed only 20 or so bloggers are expressing this opinion. So draw your own conclusions.

If The Word had 20 readers or the thread had more contributors what we are saying might be relevant but unfortunately commercial reality is rather different.

But Please Mr Word Don't Turn Into Q.

maccanorelation | 24 September 2008 - 1:09pm

True, but...

The rule of the web is 1,9,90 - this means that 1% of people post/upload, 9% comment and 90% simply read.

There are probably a lot more people out there who agree, but don't want to join the debate (or simply don't have the time and energy to come onto the site).

robram | 25 September 2008 - 12:56pm

Opportunity knocks

I imagine if you’re a Kevin Ayers enthusiast you might want a 16 page interview covering every aspect of his career in depth. But there aren’t that many Kevin Ayers fans. In the context of a magazine like The Word Kevin Ayers isn’t worth more than a couple of pages. And the Durutti Column not worth more than a couple of hundred words.
Space is at a premium. On the expensively printed and distributed pages that is. But not online. I seem to remember The Word bunging a few “extra bits from the interview that we couldn’t fit in” onto the website in the past. Why not do that as a matter of course? Longer, more “in-depth” interviws/reviews online, shorter more browser-friendly pieces in the magazine. A lot of journalists have to work this way - different lengths for different slots - in print, radio and TV. It’s not impossible.
The internet brings whole new dimensions to journalism, perhaps the most useful of which is space.
As far as quality goes I think The Word most comes a-cropper when it has to conjure up a “cover story”. I don’t think the beat that Word covers really lends itself to “cover stories” (though “rock mavericks” - Lemmy, John Martyn - is a pretty rich seam to mine). I’m one of the biggest Beatles bores on earth, but two covers in three months based on flim-flam? Behave.

Richard Lowe | 24 September 2008 - 4:18pm

Realpolitik

Actually I thought the Lennon article and Norman interview were good and - as our beloved leaders (Hep and El) have pointed out before - Beatles on the cover means you sell more. Otherwise I agree with pretty much all above. I get bored enough to routinely skip the pages that just list best this or worst that or greatest whatevers.I wouldn't be scared off by more literature reviews ad articles, which were occasional but seem to have disappeared completely. How much does word mag sell, presumably wider than us hardcore website contributors, so there's a more casual audience to capture? I imagine it's all a tricky balance to strike. While we're doing a user generated survey I'd add that I enjoy the opinion columns by Hep, Collins and guests and also the reviews section especially. As has been said the features do often feel a little thin, perhaps they reckon that not enough of us will put in the time to read a really developed piece or profile. The ten minute interview formats are good but I don't just want to read those.

Paul Bernays | 24 September 2008 - 6:32pm
Five-Centres | 25 September 2008 - 10:56am

The bit at the front

I agree with much of what's been said already. You can tell a lot about a magazine from the structure. As a trainee journalist I learnt a rule of thumb about how you divide up the editorial pages to make for a satisfying read: the front third should be shorter, newsy pieces, the middle third is the 'features well' and then you end up with the final third consisting of reviews or something similar. A 33/33/33 split, in other words.

The Word has always followed this structure, but recently the front section seems to have grown to take over an ever larger proportion of the mag. I haven't got a copy to hand to check, but I'd say it's approaching a 50/20/30 split these days. For me, that's the problem in a nutshell: there are too many 'up front' stories that aren't quite meaty enough to be features, and then when you get to the features, they're not all that meaty either.

Finally, can I echo the others who've asked for more on books? If the blogs are anything to go by, there's plenty of appetite for it. And TV as well...

Tim Turner | 25 September 2008 - 2:54pm

bookks

Deffo more book reviews Heppo please!!

Give Andy Gill and DuNoyer some longer pieces to write.

I would love a track by track review of "feature" albums.

Still love y'all though!!

Bang Em In Bingham | 25 September 2008 - 4:35pm

Just to mention...

... didn't David H do a good job on the film reviews this month? Lovely writing.

Btw, I don't have a problem with the cover stories lately, apart from one:

"Who's The Best Dead Rock Star?" is really more suited to a blog discussion rather than a [lead] article in the magazine.

But, hey, keep up the good work.

Nicodemus | 26 September 2008 - 4:44am

The thing is.....

most of us (dare I say including the writers?) are bored of rock star interviews. However much I have loved John Martyn, Leonard Cohen, Radiohead etc, I really don't think I need or want to read another interview or article about them. We are in a state of saturation with this kind of stuff, and the only interesting reads are about the genuinely under written about artists (like Ayers maybe). The current issue's standout was The Wire piece, which would have made a good cover. But I guess the Word has identity problems if it is trying to sell itself as a music mag. Personally I would worry less about that and just try and concentrate on good journalism, the subjects of which can be anything its readership can take, which is a pretty wide brief. People seem to want more book related stuff, why not, some of the best interviews have been with writers, whether books, comedy, tv or film. Perhaps they have more interesting observations which haven't been repeated ad nauseam elsewhere. If you look at David Hepworth or Andrew Collin's blogs, they talk about whatever they find interesting - books, tv, films, photographs, ideas, culture etc. The Word sort of goes there, but I reckon it could go further. The best thing about reading Word or other mags is being introduced to new things, and being stimulated to think about something. On the music front, Word did a good job of introducing Tinariwen and Toumani Diabete to its readers - they could do a bit more of this. So - more new music and musicians, and lots more general culture - as long as it's interesting that's fine. The rock stuff has run its course, surely?

ian | 29 September 2008 - 3:39pm

Whither Mr Hibbert?

I've asked Word about this before (it was snipped out of my one published letter a few years ago) but it wasn't addressed? I've tried googling TH a few times recently but met with very little success. I do remember him posting a review for Word in the early days but nothing since. He seemed to vanish after his spell writing the diary section for the Observer.

Is his brother Jimmy Hibbert of Bob the Builder fame?

eddie | 29 September 2008 - 8:43pm

neighbour

Didn't Mark Ellen mention that he is one of his neighbours, and launched a film club to educate the Ellens about classic films.....talked a lot about "Brief Encounter".....spookily MY neighbour is currently in a musical version of "Brief Encounter" in the West End! It all adds up.

Twangothan | 30 September 2008 - 2:35pm

Whither Word?

Yes, I'm puzzled as to why no-one at Word Acres will pick up on this point. The continuing invisibility of Mr Hibbert is something of a mystery. Here's a few theories of my own:

1. He had a bit of a bust up with someone at Development Hell and is now persona non-grata.

2. He was sent up river to do a bio. of John Deacon and hasn't been heard from since.

3. He is currently living in Paraguay, forced into hiding by Ringo Starr's "people".

I did a quick Google search and came across this from 8 years ago:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2000/mar/26/life1.lifemagazine9

Perhaps he is now staying away from journalism's rockier shores for the sake of his health. Anyway, his "Who the hell ..." column in Q was one of the funniest things I can ever remember reading. At his best, he could outdo Vonnegut with his effortless and breezy sarcasm. Word could certainly use his talents right now.

I hope he is alive and well.

Martin | 30 September 2008 - 3:19pm

I never realised

that he'd gone through that - poor chap.

Assuming he is ok you're right, Word could do with some Hibbert to perk things up a bit, especaily as Q is upping the ante and copying Word by getting proper colunists now (cheques books out for D. Quantick, J. Harris, etc).

Anyone from Word care to help us with the whereabouts of Mr Hibbert?

eddie | 30 September 2008 - 4:40pm

I cracked and bought it...

Turns out I'd got Kevin Ayres and Kevin Coyne confused.
Still, never mind eh. Kate Mossman's writing was good enough to keep me entertained even though I have no interest in the subject. I don't think I've ever heard anything of his, and I'm not tempted to seek anything out, but the piece was a well written portrait of an alcoholic in the sun. Otherwise, there seems to be a lot of filler in the mag. More lists than the last issue of Q that I read. Generally shorter articles too. Hep on The Wire was pretty good, but please, even you guys must now acknowledge there is nothing new to say about The Beatles. At least not until you can secure an interview with Mark Chapman. Now, there's a cover star for you...

badartdog | 30 September 2008 - 1:14pm

Tom Hibbert

It means a great deal to me read all these affectionate posts about Tom Hibbert. We were inseparable friends after meeting in May 1980 in the offices of New Music News, an underground rock weekly published by Felix Dennis to fill the vacuum of the IPC strike (NME and Melody Maker had been suspended). I'd noticed a perilously thin individual sitting in the corner in a cloud of smoke operating a manual typewriter and, looking over his shoulder,  discovered he was inventing post to the NMN letters column from imaginary correspondents. When I asked why, he rolled his eyes - duh! - and said "because we haven't got any readers!". I suggested that I edit the letters for him and put comments after each one, and we thought it might be a wheeze to stop a passer-by on Oxford Street and ask them to sit in the photo booth by Tottenham Court Road tube station and for me to then edit the letters in the fictional voice of the person in the photo. We kept this up 'til the magazine folded 12 weeks later, alternating each week - me writing the letters, Hibbert as the imagined guest editor with this week's picture, and vice versa. I moved to Smash Hits at this point, hired by David Hepworth and when I moved off to start Q with Dave in '85, I was looking for someone to take on my role as the Black Type (an imaginary character who edited the - very real - Smash Hits letters column). There was clearly only one man for the job: Hibbs - who took this piece of psychedelic whimsy to extraordinary heights of mystery and imagination. I still have a framed photograph of him and Margaret Thatcher when he interviewed her for Smash Hits at Downing Street in the late '80s, a catastrophically misjudged plank in her re-election campaign. When we launched Q we offered him a regular slot called "Who The Hell", an invention of Dave's, which cemented his reputation, and he later wrote the Pendennis column for The Observer. Tom was very ill in 1997 and has since considered himself retired from showbiz. He lives quietly in Henley-On-Thames. We were at the Big Star concert in Shepherd's Bush in August. 

Mark Ellen | 1 October 2008 - 8:51am

For giving me

some of the best laughs in a music mag in the early 90's I'm glad he's still around to enjoy life and Big Star too. His Roger Waters and Jerry Hall "Who The Hell's" hold special memories.

You should pull another writer form your own stable or from further afield and do something similar. It's not as if being irreverent is beyond The Word now is it? And there are so many more sacred cows now that deserve it.

Springer Bell | 1 October 2008 - 2:00pm

Tom Hibbert - Like this

Who the hell does Roger Waters think he is?

From Q magazine, November 1992

How did it go again? "We dahn nee nur edercayshun..." Yes, that was it! "We dahn nee nur fort corntrawel" It's good to know that in these days of silly disposable pop rubbish, there remains one man brave and brilliant enough to address the Really Big Questions. Questions, suggests Tom Hibbert, like...

Who the hell does ROGER WATERS think he is?

"SO HOW'S Syd these days?" If one happened to bumb up against an existing member of the legendary rock combo Pink Floyd in some "social situation" (cocktails at Brands Hatch, probably), that's the only thing one would be inclined to say. "How's Syd?" one would go and the existing member of Pink Floyd - whether Dave Gilmour or Nick Mason or the other one - would, no doubt, blink briefly, pop a cheese'n'pineapple-savoury-on-a-toothpick into his mount, bray "What? Cor! Frightfully good, these canapes!" and wander off to hob-nob with Nigel Mansell or somebody really interesting.

"Syd" is, of course, Syd Barrett, original member of Pink Floyd, beautiful boy who wrote extraordinary things like Apples And Oranges and Astronomy Domine and flipped his cork and disappeared. But there is another original member, no longer in the legendary rock experience that was "Floyd", who appears to be a degree off beam: Roger Waters. He's the one who invented giant inflatable pigs, the one who tortured schoolyards of children by making them sing his catchprase ("We dahn nee nur edercayshun, we dahn nee nur fort corntrawel") all out of tune, the one who once recorded a "song" called Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave Grooving With A Pict, the one whose doomy sound "anthems" about "alienation" and how awful everything is have worried listeners all over the world for several years.

IN the guest lounge of a genteel hotel in the picturesque town of Stockbridge, Hampshire - where Waters has a home because the fishing is excellent down here, apparently - the lofty rock icon sits gazing at the cover of an ancient Country Life, a pint glass of local ale before him. He's got jeans on. He's got long hair. And he's wearing exactly the same T-shirt (well, it's a different shade - pink not black - but of identical cut) that he was sporting on the cover of Pink Floyd's 1969 LP Umma Gumma. One has to ask. "How's Syd?" "I don't know. I haven't seen him for 10 years... more than 10 years, probably. I don't know what went wrong with Syd because I'm not an expert in whatever it is, what they call schizophrenia. I don't know a lot about it. Syd was extraordinarily charming and attractive and alive and talented but... whatever happened to him, happened to him."

Roger Waters is thought, by many, to be the gloomiest man in rock. The Wall was gloomy and his solo LPs, The Pros And Cons Of Hitchhiking (1983) and Radio K.A.O.S. (1987), were gloomy, and his latest work, Amused To Death, is frightfully gloomy. Water's voice drones along to warn us that: a) there's a squaggly Jeff Beck guitar solo coming up any minute; b) everything is horrible, especially television, war, the entire universe and Andrew Lloyd Webber. In recording Amused To Death, Waters has utilised a snazzy new scientific recording concept that's called "Q Sound" (nothing to do, I hasten to add, with this magazine, which should immediately sue) and with this natty new technique, if the listener sticks his/her head in the correct place betwixt the speakers, all sorts of amazing things happen! Isn't technology fab? I tried this at home. It didn't work that well because I have a deafness problem, but standing and forking my neck at an uncomfortably angle, I could clearly detect (I think) the sound of a peacock rattling pencils inside an old electric kettle (or something). Marvellous! More discernible still was the gloomy groan of some who was saying how ghastly everything is... Roger Waters folds his arms and defies his beer as I compose a second question. Which is: "Are you or are you not the gloomiest man in rock?"

"You can't expect me to take a question like that seriously," he says, in his posh, soft voice. "I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it is stupid." Immediately I warm to the man. He has such a chip on his shoulder it's a wonder his arm doesn't drop off.

"I've been reading the nonsense that's been written about Amused To Death. Adam Sweeting [music journalist who said, in The Guardian, that the LP wasn't much cop], well, he's a complete prat. Always was, always will be." I protest. Adam Sweeting is not a prat; he's entitled to his opinion and a very nice man to boot, I say. Waters will have none of this.

"Sweeting is not a nice man. I don't know him but I know him. He says I write twaddle. He's wrong! He's one taco short of a Mexican meal. Sweeting is not the only arsehole: there's other cunts like Andy Gill and Charles Shaar Murray." Andy Gill and Charles Shaar Murray. They write for Q.

"Do they? Who gives a fuck who they write for when they can't fucking write?" This man is argumentative. This man is, er, several bass guitar short of a decent tune. "It is extraordinary that Andy Gill and Adam Sweeting and Charles Shaar Murray didn't notice The Wall. They are supposed to be music journalists; how could they not have noticed this extraordinary well constructed, deep and meaningful and moving and important piece of work? What the fuck's the matter with these arseholes? And now, with Amused To Death, they've missed another one, Adam Sweeting and Andy Gill and the other fucker and all the rest, they should be in hospital. I am confident that I am really clever and that I am really good at what I do so I'm not going to have prats like Sweeting and Andy Gill and Shaar bloody Murray telling me that I'm no good because they're wrong. Amused To Death is fucking, fucking good. Isn't it?" He fixes me with a steely eye and I say that Amused To Death is probably magnificent but I can't really tell because, due to my "technical problems", I cannot appreciate the superb and magnificent benefits of "Q Sound". He accepts this weedy excuse. He says: "Well, anyway, I am one of the best five writers to come out of English music since the War."

LET US turn the clock back. Let us go a-whizzing away to the 1960s when the world was young and Pink Floyd were wearing preposterous neckerchiefs and singing about Arnold Layne, a character given to stealing women's underwear, on drugs in clubs like UFO. What grand times those must have been.

"No, they weren't," says Mister Gloomy. "I don't want to go back to those times at all. There wasn't anything 'grand' about it. We were laughable. We were useless. We couldn't play at all so we had to do something stupid and 'experimental'." This is too much. Pink Floyd's first LP, Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, is an absolute monument of, er, a record that's quite good.

"Well, that was Syd. Syd was a genius. But I wouldn't want to go back to playing Interstellar Overdrive for hours and hours." Waters doesn't seem to like being in pop groups very much at all. In 1973, his group recorded Dark Side Of The Moon and billions of people bought it (even though it was useless) and, naturally, this commercial success cheesed off Roger enormously.

"We'd cracked it. We'd won the pools. What are you supposed to do after that? Dark Side Of The Moon was the last willing collaboration: after that, everything with the band was like drawing a teeth; 10 years of hanging on to the married name and not having the courage to get divorced, to let go; 10 years of bloody hell. It was all just terrible. Awful. Terrible."

YES, WATERS, the Mister Glum who refuses even to sniff at his brimming beaker of beer, is the gloomiest man in rock. He's enough to depress a gadfly. Perhaps I should jolly up the proceedings by telling you, soaraway-twingo-bingo-Sun- style...20 Things (Trimmed Down To A Handy, Fun-Packed Eight) You Didn't Know About Roger Waters, probably: " He doesn't much care for Radio One! "Radio One won't play my fucking single (What God Wants) because they know it's no good. They know it's not as good as Erasure or Janet fucking Jackson. They know that the British public shouldn't be listening to it. It makes my blood boil! If you're not 17 with a baseball hat on back to front, they don't want to know."

" He's crackers!
"It is very important, in our current predicament, that we try to give each other the change to confront our feelings about things. There's some branches of the medical profession that now agree with me, saying that it's vital to hang on to what you felt when you were 16 or 17 or four, retaining a grasp on that stuff we had when we were children, when we saw the picture of the world in bright colours and strong sensations before it was turned into a grey, uncaring mush be Adam Sweeting and Andrew Lloyd Webber. " He doesn't (unlike other people) much care for war! " What irritates Adam Sweeting and Charles Shaar Murray and Andy Gill and all you journalists is that I gloomily and boringly enough find that my concern with war as big business doesn't diminish as the years go by. I feel just as gloomy about it at the age of 49 as I did when I was 17. I'm sure that my hatret of was has spurred on by the death of my father (_killed as a pilot in World War II_). I find myself compelled to feel for everyone's father or son who is killed in a war - and for what?"

" He's crackers!
"It's important for people to grasp sensations, like the kind I get when I am fishing. Some of us are gatherers and some of us are hunters. I'm a hunter. I need the mud of river oozing between my toes. It's like Proust." " He doesn't much care for Sinead O'Connor! (Ms O'Connor appeared at Waters's 1990 performance of The Wall in Berlin, in aid of Leonard Cheshire's Memorial Fund For Disaster Relief.) "It was very, very hard work organising that Wall concert but everyone was fabulous to work with - Bryan Adams, Van Morrison, Cyndi Lauper, bloody brilliant. All brilliant. Except for Sinead O'Connor. Oh, God! I have never ever met anybody who is so self-involved and unprofessional and big-headed and unpleasant. She is so far up her own bum it's scary. With The Wall, she was so worried that there weren't any other (_adopts Irish "brogue"_) 'young people on the show'. I and everybody else were old farts in her opinion so she was worried that she was doing something that wasn't 'street' enough. And because it wasn't 'street' enough, she came up with this brilliant idea: she said that I should employ Ice-T or one of those people to re-work one of my songs as a rap number! I am not joking! And neither was she fucking joking! That's the sad thing - she was serious! And then a couple of months after the show, when the record was out, she did an interview on American television, millions of viewers, and she rubbished the whole thing, said the Wall concert was a load of wank. I don't give a fuck what she though about it but she should have kept her fucking mouth shut because it could only hurt the charity, the memorial fund and everything that Leonard (Cheshire) had done. She doesn't understand anything. She's just a silly little girl. You can't just lie in the corner and shave your bloody head and stick up your arse and occasionally pull it out to go (_"brogue"_) 'Oh, I tink this is wrong and dat is wrong' and burst into tears." " He doesn't much care for "stadium rock"!
"Rock'n'roll in stadiums is genuinely awful. These concerts are just like Tupperware parties - held in honour of the Great God Tupper - with 50,000 people, only they don't buy Tupperware, they buy hot dogs and T-shirts and occasionally look up to watch those disgusting video screens that are all out of sync and make you feel sick and torture you. It's funny how people try to work their way around the greed of it all. Like U2 whose rationale is (_feigned Irish accent_) 'Ooh, we have to play in stadiums 'cos all our fans want to come and see us'. Well, fine; give your fans a really shitty show in a stadium - but for fuck's sake don't charge them 25 quid for it!"

" He's a wag!
"Michael Jackson performs in stadiums, too - but he's not doing it for himself, he's doing it to save all the little children in the world." " He's crackers! But not _that_ crackers because he doesn't much care for Andrew Lloyd Webber! (There's a lyric on Amused To Death which runs thus: "Lloyd Webber's awful stuff/Runs for years and years/An earthquake hits the theatre/But the operetta lingers/Then the piano lid comes down/And breaks his fucking fingers.") "Andrew Lloyd Webber sickens me. He's in your face all the time and what he does is nonsense. It has no value. It is shallow, derivative rubbish, all of it, and it makes me very gloomy. Actually, I've never been to one of his shows but having put that slightly savage joke on the record, I though I'd better listen to some Andrew Lloyd Webber and I was staying in a rented house in America this summer and the people who owned the house had a whole bunch of his rubbish so I though I'd listen to Phantom Of The Opera and I put the record on and I was slightly apprehensive. I though, Christ, I hope this isn't good - or even mediocre. I was not disappointed. Phantom Of The Opera is absolutely fucking horrible from start to finish."

Yes, the music of "Sir" Andrew Lloyd Webber is rather horrible - but has not Waters, in condemning Phantom Of The Opera as "fucking fifteenth rate from beginning to end", as he does, missed something? Has he not noticed something uncanny about Phantom Of The Opera, the title song, something about the opening notes that go "DAAAA-da-da-da-da-da"?

"Yes, Echoes"! he booms. (Echoes was an LP-side-long, and rather-good- actually, track on Pink Floyd's Meddle.) "Echoes. Yeah the beginning of that bloody Phantom song is from Echoes. (_He sings_) DAAAA-da-da-da-da-da. I couldn't believe it when I heard it. It's the same time signature - it's 12/8 - and it's the same structure and it's the same notes and it's the same everything. Bastard. It probably is actionable. It really is! But I think that life's too long to bother with suing Andrew fucking Lloyd Webber. I think that might make me really gloomy."

WATERS HAS spent many years of late in a suing situation. This is because what he does not much care for most of all is the new so-called Pink Floyd. In 1983, after the Final Cut LP, Waters flounced from the band. Four years later, the others, Gilmour, Mason and Wright, assembled, called themselves Pink Floyd, played lots of Waters songs on stages before huge and enthusiastic audiences, and made pots of money. Meanwhile, Waters toured to promote Radio K.A.O.S. but he wasn't called Pink Floyd so nobody gave a hoot. This made Roger gloomy. Lengthly litigation ensued. The animosity lingers.

"When those people went out calling themselves Pink Floyd, it made me very, very gloomy. And it made them very happy. Well, I don't know if it did make them happy. I don't think they are happy, actually. You should ask them. Ask them: 'Are you happy? You sold out. You sold out everything. Did it make you happy?' I mean, how can they find it within themselves to go on stage and do my songs - songs from The Wall? I wrote The Wall as an attack on stadium rock - and there's 'Pink Floyd' making money out of it by playing it in stadiums! Oh well, that's for them to live with. They have to bear the cross of that betrayal. They have to live with the denial of what the work was about. But when all that nonsense started, it made me fucking gloomy. I stood by a river and stared at myself in the water. Pathetic, I said. They despoiled my creations and there was nothing I could do about it. "My one pathetic victory was that they had to put testicles on the pig (ie the blow-up pig he designed for the cover of the Animals LP, the pig that broke loose from its moorings at Battersea power station and ran amok through the Home Counties' skies). If the pig had been exactly the same as the pig that I designed, I could have stopped them using it in their shows. So they put balls on my pig. Fuck them. Gilmour and Mason now own the name 'Pink Floyd'. They keep it in a box."

Waters chuckles a chuckle born of loathing and self-pity. If only I had a shiny sixpence, I might press it into the old man's palm. Earlier in this conversation, Waters "pointed out" that he was one of the five best writers of music since the War. So who could possibly rank above him, I wonder? With furrowed brow he ponders the question. "John Lennon," he says. "I'm trying to think," he says. "Er, I can't think of anybody else. You see, I don't much like listening to records. I'm a bit isolationist and insular. I'd rather be fishing. The list of great writers is very, very short but I am definitely in it. Er, who else is there that's better than me? I really don't know. Freddie Mercury, maybe..." Roger Waters stares into his untouched pint pot. Then he picks it up, apparently toying with the idea of putting it to his lips. He smiles to himself and then he grins at me. He does not take a drink. Careful, as they say, with that axe, Eugene...

That my friends is what I miss in a magazine. Enjoy the retirement Tom.

Springer Bell | 1 October 2008 - 3:12pm

Mark - thanks a million for that.

I think that the next time you meet 'Hibbs' you can tell him (assuming he's not lurking here!) that a sod of a lot of people enjoyed his work and wish him well!

ivan | 1 October 2008 - 2:55pm

Thanks Mark

Sad to hear that Mr H no is longer involved in the biz but glad that he is ok. I grew up reading him in Ver Hits, Q and The Observer so Word would have been his natural home If he ever felt like getting involved again I'm sure Word would find space for him.

eddie | 6 October 2008 - 10:09pm

Many thanks ...

... Mr Ellen for putting the time in to explain this. Curiosity satisfied.

Martin | 1 October 2008 - 2:25pm

Pass on my thanks

to Mr Hibbert. His interview with Morrissey in Smash Hits is my favourite ever interview. And Who The Hell was the best bit in Q when Q really was the best mag in the world.

And a blog post from Mr Ellen to boot.

Lee Rimmer | 1 October 2008 - 9:40pm