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More Dylan: what's a review anyway?
There's a question over whether what Mark wrote about seeing Bob Dylan at the 02 should have been clearly flagged as a review or merely a subjective personal response. But it begs the question what is a review anyway?
First impressions are the best impressions
In my experience there's what the writer tells you the morning after and then there's what they write weeks later. The first is always more interesting. One of the reasons it's more interesting is that it contains all the things that are not part of the performance but are nonetheless part of the *experience*. You can't get away from the fact that with big rock gigs the experience of going increasingly gets in the way of the entertainment. This doesn't happen with most other entertainments. People don't very often come back from the football or the opera complaining about what a nightmare they had getting there and how it didn't start on time. At a big arena gig the question of where you sit/stand and how tall you are plays a *huge* part in whether you come away feeling inspired or swindled. In most cases at a big gig the artist has a struggle to actually focus the audience's attention because he's attempting to entertain thousands of individual consciousnesses that are variously thinking "I'm tired", "I hate this song", "I can't see", "This isn't quite as good as Brussels", "where did we park the car?", "I wonder how bad the contraflow near Luton will be when we leave" and, most often, "*how* much did I pay for this?" The web liberates all those individual voices and Mark's is one of them.
The only people who like "fair" reviews are PRs
I worry that people believe that reviews can perform the service of somehow deciding the rightness or wrongness of somebody's case. They can't. The best to hope for from a review is that it might have something perceptive to say. If it sets out to be "fair", which is what people always claim they want, it very often culminates in a paragraph that begins "all in all" and leaves everyone in a deep slumber. Most reviews end up being respectful and non-committal. That way they please the maximum number of people. When people have opinions, on the other hand, they're often extreme in one direction or another. Mark thinks the last Bruce Springsteen record is good. I only listened to it once and was so enraged by its banality I took it off halfway through and have not returned to it since. I could write 1,000 paint-stripping words to that effect but they would be neither *fair* nor balanced nor reasonable.
You decide which reviewers you "trust"
I used to do this twenty years ago. I do it even more now that I've been reading some of these people for thirty years. There are thousands of reviewers I don't read. Then there are the hundreds I read but don't believe. Then there are the scores I read and assume they're exaggerating. (Actually, *all* critics are exaggerating.) That leaves about ten I actually take notice of. Then there are maybe five whose advice I would take. I don't know all five personally but I have come to believe that they are less susceptible than most to advancing the cause of earache and make the kind of points to which I respond. But I don't always agree with them. But I don't mind. And actually, some of the most thought-provoking and persuasive opinions I've heard have been on this site. It's a conversation, not a sermon.
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The New Journalism
was the name of a book I much appreciated in my mid-teens, this being the then title used to describe the writing styles of Hunter S Thompson, Tom Wolfe and many others. Balance was jettisoned and bias deployed, giving as much of the writer as of the subject material and this has remained the style of (music) journalism I still like most. Mark Ellens subjective response is a first class piece of writing, and is as good a review of the show as I would wish to read. And no, I will not be going to B'ham NIA tonight, and I bet there will be tickets, judging by the very late in the day bill-boarding that has appeared all over the city within the last 3 weeks.
seconded
I still have my battered copy of that on the shelf : some great stuff in there.
Conversely I will be at the NIA, to see "Bob Dylan & His Band"
To me, there's no difference
A review is a personal subjective response, or at least, it should be, rather than a load of PR nonsense. You can bang on about "unrepentant doo-wop harmonies" until the cows come home, but mostly it's "Band X did this, this and this, which worked/didn't work because of reasons A, B and C and it was a good/bad performance/record."
I've only reviewed albums rather than live performances, but the theory that "First impressions are the best impressions" does go against what the Word staffers were talking about on a recent podcast that it would be best to review records three months after release when the dust has settled. I agree that for live performance, this is not always the case.
One of the many reasons I enjoy The Word so much is the oft-mentioned lack of scores given to their reviews. The site I write for requires me to rate albums out of ten and I wish I didn't have to, because you end up being in the mindset of "is this a 5 or a 6?" rather than more important aspects. Plus, it kind of ruins the mystique of the review and people don't have to read it to gauge your opinion of said record.
But all in all (see what I did there?), reviews are subjective and it'd be nice if more people realised that. They are the opinion (however well-informed) of one person at one time. My reviews sometimes attract comments and I'm happy to respond to people who criticise what I write and vehemently disagree with me to the point of fury. I stick to Voltaire's maxim of "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
There are three words that strike fear in me, the three words I absolutely cannot abide in response to a review... "You are wrong." Misguided? Perhaps. Controversial? Possibly. Biased? Almost certainly, but unless there are factual innaccuracies, my opinion on something can never be wrong, just as yours can't.
I follow Danny Baker's maxim
Sometimes right. Sometimes wrong. Always certain.
Danny was probably the first writer that I would look for, when he was writing for the NME in the 70s. He taught me that there is no 'right' and 'wrong' music. Just music you do or do not like.
I follow the maxim
"We're not curing cancer".
It's only a review, nobody died.
However, as Voltaire would doubtless have said, I will defend to the death everyone's right - nay, obligation - to pick reviews, comments, songs, films and anything else to pieces in excruciating detail on the Word forum as a good way of avoiding having to do any proper work. Just as I'm doing now.
Voltaire did say exactly that
and he also said "anything too stupid to be said is sung"
A pedant writes...
The "defend to the death" phrase wasn't uttered by Voltaire, rather by Evelyn Hall in a book about him.
However, I defend to the death your right to mis-attribute the quote to Voltaire, etc.
Deja vu
I've a feeling we've had this conversation before, Fraser. I attributed the quote to Voltaire in a thread a couple of months back and you picked me up on it then.
I really should learn to get my quotes right, but as Oscar Wilde once said, "We are all lying in the gutter, but in the morning, madam, I'll be sober"
Yes, we did
My God, I am truly a bore.
And I clearly don't listen
I first heard of the quote in Stuart Maconie's Cider with Roadies and I liked it so much, I just seem to conveniently forget he didn't actually ever say it.
and ...
and some of us are looking up the skirts, as I think the original quote went....
Not from
Oscar Wilde it didn't...
chiz!
indeed it didn't, but I am sure that this was the chorus of a song I can't place now, and will drive myself demented trying to identify...
Let's not get too precious
The punter is buying the record/attending the concert because they wish to, the reviewer probably because they are being paid to. They will have taken the job because they enjoy the general area in which they work though not neccessarily the specific item under review.
I once published an 800 word review of a book I hadn't read*, and when I mentioned this to to an email friend she said that her sister, who reviews films for papers in New Zealand, often used to do the same. I suspect more of this goes on in news and arts journalism than most people realise. (Remember the pre-written copy on the killing of Saddam Hussein, which described him as hooded and cowering?).
Does this mean that many reviews are essentially worthless? It all depends what you wanted to get out of them in the first place.
* It was Thomas Harris' Hannibal. Owing to a misunderstanding with the editor of the local listings mag I had to submit a review within a couple of days. I didn't have time to read and review the book, so I just did the latter. It's surprisingly easy. When I got round to reading Hannibal a couple of years later I dug out the review and found out that I agreed with every word I had written, and probably wouldn't have changed any of it if I had read the book first. My friend says her NZ reviewer sister usually found the same. A lot of a review is inavoidable based on the reviewer's preconceptions and surprises are pretty rare.
what would
a repentant doo wop harmony sound like?
I digress.
It is not a coincidence that, very often, the best critics are the best writers.
A review should - in theory - be quite simple:
Tell me what you have seen (or heard or observed); tell me how it makes you feel and why it makes you feel that way.
The theory is simple - the practice - to write clearly, concisely and resonantly about an artefact or event is very difficult.
What is good about Mark's piece and holds true for most illuminating reviews is that, predominantly, it concerns itself with the "what and "why" parts - rather than the "how"
Repentant doo-wop harmony
The new Springsteen album is awash with it.
Spill the beans, we want to know.
Who are The Hepworth Five?
The Hepworth Five
were a be-bop quintet famous throughout Louisana in the 1950s. Featuring Davy "Smooth" Hepworth on sax, Markie "Swingin'" Ellen on trumpet, Kate "Lounge" Mossman on double bass, Andrew "Moog" Harrison on drums and Fraser "Laid-Back" Lewry on cor anglais (why not?).
The release of their début album, Music Real Cool Cats Can Dig in 1952 changed the world of jazz as we know it and started a run of seven critically-acclaimed albums, culminating in Mama Porgie Blues in 1960. Miles Davis called them "the greatest lost band of all-time" while John Coltrane once remarked, "Hepworth Five? Who? Never heard of them."
Unfortunately, years of low sales caused tension in the band and The Hepworth Five went their separate ways in 1964. Hepworth himself was last seen as a chef in New Orleans while Lewry and Harrison enjoyed brief success as The Catchers. Ellen and Mossman retired from the music industry altogether after The Hepworth Five disbanded and nothing is known of their whereabouts.
Am I right in saying that
Davy Hepworth was often referred to as "The Pompatus of Love" back in their heyday?
Yes,
Frequently
Second Cousins twice removed from
The Juliana Hatfield Three, the Fantastic Four and the Birmingham Six
Spot on David
For me, Mark Kermode gives great review. He respects the need for hard information (this film works/doesn't work as a story...) and also makes it clear why he did or did not enjoy it (which may be at odds with the convention).
Here's an excellent example of the Kermodian approach:
I have never not liked a film recommended by Mark Kermode
I am an unrepentant High School Musical fan, mostly because of the glowing review he gave to HSM 3.
I read Mark Ellen's piece
I read Mark Ellen's piece and thought it was a great piece of writing, but didn't consider it a "review". In fact, if it had been flagged as a review of Bob Dylan at the O2, I'd never have read it.
That's interesting
And true.
That's Kate Mossman
out of work then.
"Look Molesworth
most of the guys here are in love with her - and the rest must be gay!"
In a single dreadful moment, he realised he'd let his own feelings be known. Play it cool - isn't that what he'd told himself? Don't be like the others. And now - in one unthinking second. Now, even Molesworth knew.
He looked crossly at Molesworth, turned on his heel and promptly tripped on the kerb. Much to the amusement of the class from the nearby Primary School crossing the road a little ahead of him.
Look, if she's
out of work, she'll have more time to devote to you.
Bright side sunshine, bright side!
"Look OUT!"
cried the teacher.
Too late.
"Who was that guy anyway?" asked Kate
"Truth is, I don't really know" said Molesworth. "Look, you know that rare laserdisc of Glen Campbell Live at the Budokan? I tracked it down"
Hang on, dont get
me mixed up in all this! I've got Claudia Schiffer on the boil at home!
(that's from the daydream thread - how postmodern is this?)
Later on The Post-Modern Show
The characters are at once - present - but only to the extent that they are not Presence or Personification. Yet, Absence can only be contructed itself through Absence. Paradoxically, and yet not so - as Paradox is a non-present Presence. Paradox whether through metaphor or the non-metaphorical - as distance or displacement - in actuality - can be Presence - if not present.
It is this fear of The Other that challenges any sense of "knowing". The "reader" faces a vertigo of displacement and creates a kind of meta-language, an idiolect..(etc etc)
"That bloke on the Post-Modern show last night?
"Yeah?"
"Well, did he like it or not?"
And that's
Why we need a review section. With star ratings. La Mossman is saved by virtue of the virtual.
Sadly, Sheevmaster was still mown down by a car. That's the internets for you.
So who do we trust...
No matter what we think of the reviews / reviewers, we still read them and I would suggest we are influenced by them. That is one of the reasons we buy music / film etc magazines every month.
There are definitely certain reviewers we trust (based on how past reviews of some of our favourite albums / films over the years) and there are times when we will blatantly ignore the review if its an artist we like. I guess the key is that everyone has different tastes and if its a group that the reviewer doesn't like then there is no way it will be a fair review. I've seen this far too many times in magazines by supposed professional reviewers. I know it would be a logistical nightmare to match the reviewer with the appropriate albums, but in an ideal world I would like to read how this particular release compares with the rest of the artists output and not a biased piece that this artist is crap anyway....
With the growth of online music purchases, I find myself reading reviews on Amazon etc - i.e reviews by people that have (supposedly) bought the album. I know that these are generally biased the other way, but it does give a different perspective. Which is better in enabling me to make a decision whether to buy ? I really don't know.
On the same subject, I recently dug out an old copy of Microsoft Music Central which was some software back from the late 80s (I think) that had reviews all from early Q. You can search by artist and even reviewer - there are a few by a certain David Hepworth. I'll have to post some..... Interestingly there is only probably 1 or 2 from Mark Ellen - see things never change......
Fair to whom?
You say that if the hack doesn't like the act then the review won't be fair. More often the hack does like the act and the review is unfair - to the reader.
agree - bias works both ways
Agree that it can be unfair when the hack (or as I mention the "amazon" reviewers who tend to be very biased towards the act) likes the act and gives an overly positive review - what gets me, and I've seen often, is when you can tell from the opening sentence that the hack can't stand the act and so the review doesn't even look at the merits of this particular release.
I hate fair reviews
I want reviews that gush or reviews that stomp underfoot.
I miss the old mid-late 80s Maker and NME reviews; so many names I can't remember from those days, but Chris Roberts and Steven 'Seething' Wells come to mind readily.
Chris wrote the greatest flights of fancy in his reviews, if they were records they would have been a cross between late 70s Bowie, Sigur Ros, Chic, Kate Bush and the complete film soundtracks of John Williams. Produced by Trevor Horn.
I tell you, my musical tastes and own musical efforts were as influenced by Chris' reviews just as much as I was influenced by the bands I was into.
I never understood why people got grumpy, angry even after a review that wasn't in favour of the artist. If you like somebody you're going to buy their music, see their gigs. Surely a review isn't going to change that?
Yeah, give me more opinionated flights of fancy!
civil tongues
It’s curious even with online reviews by “civilians” checking if a reviewer has “previous” is for me an important part of evaluating whether to trust their views or not. If I see a splenetic review of a tune, pub or a digital camera it’s handy (on the sites that let you do this) to see whether the reviewer is just generally a whingey miserable type or if they are genuinely hacked off on this occasion.
On a separate note I do think that it’s odd that with film reviews we still have generic film reviewers (in the broadsheets etc) and yet have specific reviewers for all the different kinds of music, dance and even books. I only say this because I feel genre films like sc-fi etc can get a poor deal from general reviewers who as a broad brush generalisation prefer more art house fare.
None of this however explains why the Observer Music Monthly is in large parts such a dull read though!
A review?
It may have started life as an email, but to me it was definitely a review and read as such. That it is largely the background story to getting to and from the gig is as telling as is the phrase ‘the mangled corpses of songs began to pile up on stage’. I had the misfortune to pay good money to see Stephen Stills some months ago, and so appalling was the gig that I began mentally to ‘review’ members of the audience and the size of the band's foreheads, just to pass the time.
Mark’s piece was subjective, informative, funny and it provoked a debate. What else would we need or expect from a review?
It was John Lennon
or Wee Jimmy Krankie that said, "Just Gimme Some Truth".
I don't care if Mark Ellen's piece was a review, an email or a top secret message stuck to the leg of a pigeon and shot down over enemy territory. I was a brilliant, instant, Whicker-like report and convinced a non-believer in the majesty in all things Zimmerman that I make the right decision to stay in and wash my hair whenever his Bobness rides into town.
Bet they think twice about the free tickets next time though.
Opera prices, cattle truck comforts
DH wrote: >>You can't get away from the fact that with big rock gigs the experience of going increasingly gets in the way of the entertainment. This doesn't happen with most other entertainments.
Indeed, and was doing so a long time ago. Martin Amis wrote a brilliant but sour piece called iirc "The Stones at Earl's Court", back in about 1976 about the pain to gain ratio of stadium rock. Sadly can't find on web but may type in a few choice phrases if can dig out.
The grass is sometimes greener
I agree broadly with what David says, but I think that it also depends where you spend the bulk of your time. If you go to a lot of gigs, chances are you will build up some bad experiences and they will grate.
I spend a lot of time involved in football and there are plenty of reasons to get hacked off with the experience you get there too.
It’s routine for a Premier League ticket to cost north of £40 to see a game which could be abysmal. For that money, I could currently go and see Elbow twice, know that they are going to be brilliant, know I’ll be inside in the warm, won’t have anybody telling me to sit down and can have a beer in full view of the action if I want. Now that’s value for money.
Know they are going to be brilliant...
99 times out of 100 perhaps but there is always the odd gig that goes belly-up. I've been to gigs where the lead singer should have quite rightly thrown in a sickie but went ahead regardless. Even worse. Sounded like Bob Dylan on a bad day without the chance of a refund or rematch.
Fair point
But they're still way better odds than going to the football.
You've obviously
seen Bolton Wanderers play. Thank god for the pies.
Just twice this season
But I am acquainted with Gary Megson's oeuvre. It's rare to see a football team playing for scrums and line outs, rarer still to see one whose centre-forward needs a note from the doctor before he'll be allowed to venture past the halfway line. We can only bow before the majesty of the "titian tactician" (he's not really ginger you know)
Amis on the Stones experience circa 76
Haven't actually got the book I mentioned above but tracked down the compilation and a review on the web - it's Visiting Mrs Nabokov, at one point he says:
"Once inside, panic and claustrophobia jockeyed routinely for one's attention. . . . In the high tradition of all the best rock concerts, you were treated as if you'd come to sate some vile addiction rather than simply to exchange cash for entertainment."
http://www.martinamisweb.com/reviews_files/novelist_at_large.pdf
I find that
friends are often good at reviewing an album for you.