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At the risk of being run out of town by Ellen and Hepworth with torches and pitchforks, UNTIL THE NEXT EXCELLENT UNMISSABLE EDITION OF THE WORD IS OUT you may like to peruse Mojo this month.
Rather missable recently I was chuffed to see a diverse selection including Word fave RT, Scritti Politti, Swans, Plastikman, Nirvana, Captain Beefheart, Beady Eye review and some lovely Johnny Cash photos.

Carry on.

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Mojo often seems to get...

... a rather undeserved kicking round these parts. I maintain it's still the best at what it does, and though I admit their reliance on HJH, Floyd & Dylan can rankle, as jimmyshoes says, who else out there covers that range of artists? I was especially pleased to see Swans & Scritti this month, plus an XTC "How To Buy"...

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Metal Mickey | 27 January 2011 - 4:42pm

Hmmm, but they dissed "Wasp Star: Apple Venus Vol. 2"

so what do they know eh...?!

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Retro Man | 28 January 2011 - 4:38pm

XTC Fans

Have long memories

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Steerpike | 3 February 2011 - 10:22pm

Yes, it's a goodie

but not too sure about the Jack White Beefheart tribute...

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Grant | 27 January 2011 - 4:47pm

Read the first few lines

and moved on...

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Mike_H | 27 January 2011 - 8:01pm

On the other hand

My first thought when I saw the new issue was that there’s not a lot for me this month. The only story among those listed in the OP that I’ll definitely read is the one on Richard Thompson.

There’s usually about one issue a year like this, I find. Most months I read Mojo from cover to cover.

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Tim Turner | 27 January 2011 - 4:55pm

Me too

I didn't buy this months Word, first time in years. I was disappointed by the December issue and when I flicked through this month's I just thought, no, not enough for me. I had no interest in Adam Ant 30 years ago and have even less now.

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Twangothan | 27 January 2011 - 5:04pm

I do hope you go on their site...

...and extol the virtues of small independent magazines that don't happen to be owned by German multi-nationals.

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David Hepworth | 27 January 2011 - 4:56pm

I would

but their web site is so badly designed it gives me a headache. Worry not Heppo I spout the word of The Word to anyone who'll listen and I have directed many a person in its direction and will continue to do so.

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jimmyshoes01 | 27 January 2011 - 5:02pm

*edit*

(should've kept reading)

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Remote Control | 28 January 2011 - 9:27am

That's me!

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DrJ | 28 January 2011 - 10:17am

Sorry Mr Hepworth, but

Should I check the owner of magazines I read before I enjoy them? Or would it perhaps be possible to enjoy different magazines for different reasons?

*ducked and then got his coat and was never seen again*

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Ola Claesson | 27 January 2011 - 5:09pm

I'm glad you enjoy different magazines

And I'm sure most of us here like Mojo, but my heart does tend to sink every time a direct competitor is promoted on these pages.

This may not be an entirely accurate analogy, but can you imagine the owner of your local corner store being happy with someone wandering round its aisles with a sign advertising the nearest branch of Sainsbury's?

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Fraser Lewry | 27 January 2011 - 5:17pm

I do get your point

But it seems to me that some people around here, in order to enjoy The Word (which I do, I wouldn´t be here otherwise) have to bad mouth your direct competitors on and off. And I haven´t seen anyone from the staff step in and say "that´s not necessary, is it?" when someone does.

If we are allowed to say Mojo and/or Uncut are utter crap, then maybe we should also be allowed to say we like them. But, as I said, I do understand why you don´t want advertising for competitors around.

And I still don´t see what the German multi-nationals has got to do with mentioning a like for an issue of a magazine.

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Ola Claesson | 27 January 2011 - 5:48pm

Hmm. Is it really that clear cut?

"Buy the Word!" is obviously the main message of this site and ultimately its very reason for existing, but "Buy magazines! Lots of them! Especially ours! Often!" should be a secondary one, especially in these times of declining circulations and dwindling advertising revenue.

A better analogy than buying bags of sugar from rival supermarkets might be that of a health-food shop. If someone came in with a poster for an intensive tai-chi workshop and asked if they could stick it in the window, would you say no, because you were running a reflexology course yourself that weekend, or would you consider it to be all part of a broader lifestyle and culture that it was in your interest to promote, not discourage?

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Archie Valparaiso | 27 January 2011 - 6:00pm

"Is it really that clear cut?"

No. That's why I said the analogy was "not entirely accurate". But in answer to your question, in the middle of a recession I'd certainly think twice about posting such an ad, knowing full-well that people are cutting back on the number of new-age fitness regimes they partake in. And if I decided to place the ad, I might consider putting it at the back of the store rather than on the door on the way in.

Either way, we've never, ever said, "Don't talk about the other magazines", nor do we plan to. We just find it occasionally galling, depending on the way it's done. I don't think that's unreasonable.

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Fraser Lewry | 27 January 2011 - 6:10pm

Not at all unreasonable

But when I worked at HMV, I don't remember the floor manager ever saying "I do hope you're going to play something on EMI in-store when that Rod Stewart record - released by a rapacious non-British company, strongly rumoured to have mafia connections - finishes." It was all part of da culcha, innit.

(I'm arguing for arguing's sake here. Er, you can tell, right?)

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Archie Valparaiso | 27 January 2011 - 6:19pm

Is it wrong of me...

...to slip into the conversation that my wife is an excellent reflexologist? ;-)

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Mr Sparks | 27 January 2011 - 7:17pm

No it's not...

...and she most certainly is!

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Formbyman | 27 January 2011 - 8:24pm

Interesting example

This may not be an entirely accurate analogy, but can you imagine the owner of your local corner store being happy with someone wandering round its aisles with a sign advertising the nearest branch of Sainsbury's?

Actually that happens all the time. 'Pick up your free Sound of Music CD only at Tesco' on the front of every Daily Mail in every local shop. No loyalty, these publishers.

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Captain Underpants | 27 January 2011 - 8:18pm

Sure you can (reply to Ola Claesson)

But what is the point of either praisng or criticising one mag on another's website?

If you have praise or criticism for The Word then fair enough. Many of the staff contribute to the thread and seem quite able and happy to interact with the praise or blame they get. Indeed, they seem quite helpful when it comes to subscription enquiries and the like.

The fact that Mojo does not have a very good website is hardly The Word's fault is it?

The mag, the podcast, the blog, the CD, the reader events, the get togethers to which they come etc. I have to say we more than get our money's worth from the title and the people who run it.

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Ozmium | 27 January 2011 - 5:20pm

But what then would the point of criticising another magazines´

website on another magazines´ website be?

Still, you´re correct: it is not The Word´s fault that other websites are not good.

Sorry, what was the question?

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Ola Claesson | 27 January 2011 - 5:47pm

I can dig it

Word is an independent magazine. It's got to be hard to keep it going, and we must like it, or we wouldn't come here.

However, I do think that it would have been better to let it go without drawing attention to it. It makes it a bigger deal than it actually is, I would have thought.

I would have thought that almost nobody who buys Word has no idea that Mojo exists.

I would have also thought that going into your local shop (for local people? - Also a worrying idea in some ways, to me) with a Sainsbury's carrier bag, with Sainsbury's items in it would be advertising.

Where is the line drawn? If an artist's on the cover of Mojo - let's say in an 'exclusive', are we expected to not mention that artist for the duration of the 'exclusive'?

If an artist appears on the cover of Word, should we keep schtum if we don't like them?

I would view it a bit like partners - girlfriends/boyfriends. If your partner huffs and puffs whenever you mention someone of their sex, is that a good sign, in terms of the relationship?

I would say it's a bad sign. The longer the leash, the tighter the hold is how I would view it. Possessive partners aren't lasting partners.

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Buxton | 27 January 2011 - 5:48pm

The Word (Brown nose alert)

I love the magazine, podcast & most of all this site.

I am going to my first massive mingle next week (Nervously looking forward to it).

I also got a nice bag thingy as a freebie recently.

All in all, terrific value for money.

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jackthebiscuit | 28 January 2011 - 1:56pm

When you worked for that German multi-national

when it was still an English multi-national (as though it were important), you did do quite well out of it there, didn't you?

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MyAmericanMate | 27 January 2011 - 6:04pm

Bad Day At The Office?

I' m guessing it's been a less than smooth day at Word Towers...

I enjoy The Word
I enjoy Mojo
I enjoy Uncut
Sometimes I even enjoy German Multinationals.

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torrential1 | 27 January 2011 - 6:33pm

German Multinationals

TMFTL

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illuminatus | 27 January 2011 - 7:31pm

Mojo

The way I used to pitch Word to people in the early days was that it was a bit like Q and Mojo when they used to be good and readable. Then I realised the connection and started to follow the writers in question.

Once in a while I buy Mojo to remind myself why I don't buy it any more. If you see what I mean. I was curious about the Neil Young CD last month, so I had a go. The CD actually wasn't bad; but the writing largely makes me remember just how good Word is. Less than ten pages in and they were talking about music that was described as "dreamlike", "a childlike dream", "haunted", "the shadowy cloak of existential doubt", "mournful", "rawly emotional" and "world-worn". Couldn't make it any further, I'm afraid.

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Lucas Hare | 27 January 2011 - 9:27pm

Completely agree

with your description of Mojo's writing. Lets also add dry, pompous and dull to the list.

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tim tunes | 28 January 2011 - 9:50am

This month

I too was sucked in by the Neil Young cover. Regretted it within 10 minutes of having opened it at home.

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Freddie Owen | 28 January 2011 - 5:55pm

Manners

I know this may make me sound horribly priggish, but I do think it is bad manners to advertise a rival mag on the Word website.

I know, I know, but this website is free, supported by the mag, and, I don't know it just seems off to me. Also hypocritical, because the mention of Scritti Politti has me pricking up my ears.

EDIT: I wrote this before David H had written his bit, but couldn't post. Thought I would anyway. You can award me an Order of the Brown Nose in due course.

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JoLean | 27 January 2011 - 5:05pm

Completely agree

and as I have been blessed with a brown nose by nature won't apologise for it.

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Ozmium | 27 January 2011 - 5:06pm

Bad Manners

TMFTL

Ska rules

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jackthebiscuit | 30 January 2011 - 5:25pm

Extolling

the virtues of a magazine on this website is surely no different from recommeding a particular record, film or TV progamme. For what it's worth I used to read MOJO, but the endless articles on the HJH, Dylan, Pink Floyd and so on became rather tiresome overtime, and don't get me started on UNCUT.

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sirbriancannonhunter | 27 January 2011 - 5:22pm

The difference...

...is that the Word is not selling a film or CD but a magazine. And therefore recommending a direct rival. At least it is quite different to me.

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JoLean | 27 January 2011 - 5:24pm

Not a rival

I don't see them as rivals. M*jo and Unc*nt are died in the wool music mags with their classic rock/Americana niches. Word aspires to be much wider than that and I think there is room for both. The fact that the mag even allows a post saying Mojo is good this month without moderating it out is a tremendous credit to Word's grown up attitude to the the world and makes me love it even more.

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Twangothan | 27 January 2011 - 6:00pm

Can`t be fairer than that..

Twangothan, well said, have an up.

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Declan | 28 January 2011 - 12:44pm

Without taking sides

Without taking sides, surely everything is competition if you're stood in a shop with a fiver in your pocket?

I subscribe to both, so it's just not an issue for me either way.

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kidpresentable | 27 January 2011 - 6:48pm

True enough

But on that basis we shouldn't recommend a DVD for a fiver at HMV or a CD on Amazon as they are all rivals for my dollar. I'll buy both if they both appeal to me or neither if they don't. With me it's more whether I think I'll have time to get around to reading them!

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Twangothan | 27 January 2011 - 8:55pm

'Fraid I agree...

Bad form to bang on about them here - at the very least they could pay for an ad...

And actually, whilst I bought the last one cos it had Neil Young on the cover (and I'm a sucker for anything to do with Neil) the issue itself wasn't fit to lick Word's boots.

I say this as a reader of all magazines for over 20 odd years, and Word since issue one, and in direct response to the person who was disappointed by the December issue...a poor Word is worth ten of any other M***, U****s or otherwise.

(and that isn't just cos Heppo's listening)

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Oscar Patterson | 27 January 2011 - 5:23pm

I posted it

as a music fan among other music fans. And this seems to be the only place I get to talk about music with people now all my friends are cleaning up baby puke every waking moment.

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jimmyshoes01 | 27 January 2011 - 5:29pm

I hope they're using

copies of Mojo for that and not Word!!!

(sidles away surreptitiously, whistling and pretending to notice something of interest in the middle distance)

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Ahh_Bisto | 27 January 2011 - 5:53pm

Whisper it

but I subscrbe to both Word and 'The Publication That Dare Not Speak Its Name'. Both are great. Never been to any gigs/ events organised by The Other One or been on its website*. Am I still allowed in the treehouse?

* although did win a rare White Stripes 7" via them

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DogFacedBoy | 27 January 2011 - 5:31pm

Is M***

a rival to the Word? To me the Word is a completely different type of magazine to M***, with a far wider range of articles and features, that's why I read it. I also read Private Eye which is completely different again.

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sirbriancannonhunter | 27 January 2011 - 5:39pm

Not sure I agree

On basis that the Word editorial have spoken on here and in the magazine about magazine titles no longer published are we to assume we can only talk about defunct magazines? It seems pretty odd if this is the case. I have been a subscriber to Word since its second issue, I love everything about the mag and this site and didnt consider the OP any more of an advert than the famous posting about the merits of Fray Bentos pikes being an advert.Surely the beauty of this site (as opposed to the magazine) is that the people on the site set the content. For David to ramble on about Mojo being owned by a German multinational was a bit crass. No doubt I will be kicked by all and sundry for expressing this view but c'est la vie. I love steak and chips but occasionally I might want fish instead - I think that was the intent of the post, no more no less.

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Steve Turner | 27 January 2011 - 5:37pm

One of the biggest draws

of this site over others is the freedom to talk about whatever you want, including the competition if they've got something worth talking about.

The idea that we puritanically buy Word only is ludicrous - it's not like following a football team. For alerting me to Mojo's contents this month, I'm grateful to the OP. Saves me having to have a look in Smiths.

That said, titling a post MOJO! in capitals, which then pops up in the recently updated and hot topics columns all the while is a bit blatant, and you can understand why the Hep might get a bit cheesed off with that. And by posting this, I'm going to perpetuate that problem. Bugger.

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Molesworth | 28 January 2011 - 9:27am

My evil scheme worked

mwah ha ha ha ha

Yours

Phil Alexander

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jimmyshoes01 | 28 January 2011 - 9:54am

Neat trick

Can you get rid of the coalition next please?

ta

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Molesworth | 28 January 2011 - 10:52am

"Occasionally I want fish"

Are you coming out Mr Turner?

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STD | 27 January 2011 - 5:52pm

Not yet my cup of tea

but doesnt the old saying go something along the lines of 'dont knock it until you try it?'

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Steve Turner | 27 January 2011 - 6:36pm

And when you "knock it"

Try not to "smash it"

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STD | 27 January 2011 - 6:41pm

Did you smash "it"?

Mind you, that's a stupid question. If you were anywhere near "it", you smashed "it". (copyright: Richard Keys)

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mojoworking | 28 January 2011 - 9:43am

As is often the case....

...I wish I'd never said anything.

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David Hepworth | 27 January 2011 - 6:03pm

Take succour from Auden

Between friends differences in taste or opinion are irritating in direct proportion to their triviality.

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Ahh_Bisto | 27 January 2011 - 6:54pm

I feel your pain David.

As the owner of a small bike shop there isn't a day goes by when a 'customer' doesn't bring to my attention a competitor's shop or website that is offering a better deal or price than we are able to. Despite the fact that we are on the said 'customers' doorstep and, if I say so myself, offer service above and beyond the call of duty. Fair drives me nuts!

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grac | 28 January 2011 - 11:01am

How small are the bikes?

cos I'm thinking of starting a flea circus.
(I'm already in the cloakroom)

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STD | 28 January 2011 - 12:27pm

The Streisand Effect strikes

The Streisand Effect strikes again...

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daddyorchipsblog | 28 January 2011 - 11:10am

I agree with everyone...

...showing what an indecisive thing I am. I really can see both sides of both sides on this one.

Also, I can't help enjoying the irony of the magazine getting fair more attention by us bumping it to the top every time we post.

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JoLean | 27 January 2011 - 6:04pm

True.

Damn! I've done it again!

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sirbriancannonhunter | 27 January 2011 - 6:11pm

Well

I buy Word (subscription) **** and ***** and I love all of em..The last **** I bought which had Dylan on the front and talked about the Greenwich Village days was superb. I dont find the majority of articles on Floyd, Beatles etc to be repetitive or uninteresting and they tend to have new angles of interest on the well worn stories...I love Word but I think it's going through an identity crisis period, it doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, yet it has an abundance of talented writers (Gill, NuDoyer, Hep, Ellen, Mossman etc). I await the Adam Ant with interest..as for *****, I like A**** J**** and admire his unstinting enthusiasm for music old and new....and yes the **** site is crap where as this one is as warm and familiar as my favourite jacket! May all continue to thrive!

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Bingham | 27 January 2011 - 6:14pm

There have been previous threads

where other music publications have been mentioned before

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/so-what-other-mags-do-we-subscribe...

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/trans-atlantic-alternatives

why the sensitivity all of a sudden? I've not been mad on the past few issues of That Magazine Of Which We Cannot Speak and their pet bands, but the latest edition has some good articles about bands that Word have not covered (i.e. Swans).

TMOWWCS is not perfect (we won't mention XTC and the magazine's awards ceremony) but it IS a music magazine. Not something that Word claims to be, so why the umbrage?

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Grant | 27 January 2011 - 6:18pm

Serious question

What sensitivity? I've made it clear twice on this thread (at least I hope I have) that we don't mind other magazines being mentioned. Occasionally it'll be done in a way that galls - that's only natural - but I can live with that.

The point of Mr Hepworth's post is that other sites are much less likely to give you the same freedom. That's all.

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Fraser Lewry | 27 January 2011 - 6:31pm
DogFacedBoy | 27 January 2011 - 7:38pm

Fair dos

"The point of Mr Hepworth's post is that other sites are much less likely to give you the same freedom. That's all."

If you are giving us more freedom than rival publications - and I don't doubt it - why is it an issue?

It just made me think of Holden Caulfield's girlfriend, Sally, whose mother organised all these charity dos, but expected everyone to spend the rest of their lives kissing her arse for it.

I'm not saying anyone's literally exposed their cheeks and asked me to pucker up, no.

Word's better. If it was crap, we wouldn't bother with it. Nobody's going to suddenly say "Oh! I'll buy Mojo now, but I wouldn't have thought of it unless I'd heard someone mention it on the internet".

That's crediting people here with very little, isn't it?

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Buxton | 27 January 2011 - 8:19pm

"Why is it an issue? "

It isn't.

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Fraser Lewry | 27 January 2011 - 10:14pm

That's a good thing.

Although I don't think anyone would mind if you did delete threads about competitors.

The only reason I asked the question in the first place was because it sounded a bit like it was. I didn't see why it should have been. If any publication of its kind has 'brand loyalty', I would suggest it was The Word, on grounds of most of the articles in it and the (relative) pleasantness of the message board.

Looking panicky at something like this doesn't inspire confidence. And I can't see why you're not confident enought to totally ignore OPs like the above.

The Word is my favourite of the 'Boring Middle Aged Man (Yes, I know, I'm Andy Gray) Magazines'. I read most of the music ones, there's overlap I'm sure - but they seem to approach similar subjects from different angles. And with the originality and quality associated with The Word (a relatively high percentage of the time), you're likely to attract better writers and better artists.

That's what's going to keep you in (very pleasing, I must say) Korean War reproductions, maintaining the high standards you've set yourselves. Not fannying about over a post on a website.

I hope I'm neither brown nosing nor sounding like a dick, but I would imagine I'm doing both.

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Buxton | 27 January 2011 - 10:45pm
stimpy | 28 January 2011 - 1:10pm

Righty-ho

Wrong-end-of-stick firmly grasped.

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Grant | 27 January 2011 - 8:25pm

"Other sites are much less likely to give you the same freedom"

Are they though?

Do we know this?

Sorry Fraser, not having a go, but is this really the case?

I regularly buy the two competing magazines in question, although I subscribe to neither. I have looked at both competing websites, and they are both beyond awful. I would no more post on them than I would eat rice pudding, so can't confirm either way.

So do we really know - or care - whether the Word in all its glory is actively censored by the competition?

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Paul Waring | 27 January 2011 - 10:32pm

Agent Waring

Your job is to find out.

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Fraser Lewry | 27 January 2011 - 10:40pm

Rather that

Than eat rice pudding!

I'll give it a go over the weekend. A new alias might be in order.

Cover me chaps!

And save a cold one for me in Alex.

Cabbage Crates over the briny etc...

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Paul Waring | 27 January 2011 - 10:42pm

You is like

well brave, yeah?

You'll probably get medals n stuff, you get me?

Girld love medals and you'll be well fit, Algie.

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DogFacedBoy | 27 January 2011 - 11:56pm

Let me get this straight

There's some spare rice pudding?

Can I have it?

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Beezer | 28 January 2011 - 1:55pm

Gah!

Beaten to the punch by the good Dr. J!

Chaps, all I'm seeing over there is some slight eyebrow-raising and mild patronisation at the moment...

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Paul Waring | 28 January 2011 - 4:11pm

For what it's worth

the last issue of Word was the best in the last year. Fantastic tribute to Captain Beefheart and a great article on cover versions. I think it is pretty hard for any of the magazines to have an issue crammed full of articles I like every month which is why I tend to buy all three (mojo and uncut being the other 2). The bottom line is I like music and like reading about it. I even bought Oxford American music magazine last month which with postage was more than £10.00 - havent checked the publishers but dont think they are German (only kidding David).

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Steve Turner | 27 January 2011 - 6:30pm

Oxford

their Cd's are amazing!

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Bingham | 27 January 2011 - 6:38pm

A sheep writes

Cheers jimmyshoes! Now that you've alerted me to the existence of another music magazine (and owned by those nice Germans too!) I'm outta here...

(The defence rests)

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STD | 27 January 2011 - 6:38pm

It's bad form

It's a bit like having dinner with Alice and Ted in their home and saying that the food you had at Bob and Carol's was nicer.

In my view, The Word are remarkably tolerant hosts.

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Ozmium | 27 January 2011 - 6:40pm

Two-way street

We get a nicely put-together, well-managed free platform to come and talk bollocks. They get feedback on what they've been doing and lots of free content to ensure that there's lots to see and do on their website. (The in-house "Home" page is updated, what, twice a week, while the outsourced "Blog" page has something new every hour or so.)

And I've got no problem with that at all. When I tweet Fraser to tell him that the site's down, he knows and I know that I'm not motivated out of altruistic concern for the optional functionality of Development Hell's promotional infrastructure, but frustrated because I want to post some bollocks and can't. And he fixes it, the company looks good again and I get to post my bollocks.

It's symbiotic in a win-win type way. (Hi, Andrew!)

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Archie Valparaiso | 27 January 2011 - 6:57pm

yes I understand all that

but still think it's bad form. They encourage content and comment from their readers and for their readers and I can understand why Fraser's heart sinks when he see posts about other magazines as it probably grates if not hurts a little as it shows a lack of courtesy to use an old fashioned term.

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Ozmium | 27 January 2011 - 9:04pm

Don't mention th war

.

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Mousey | 27 January 2011 - 6:48pm

I mentioned it once...

..but I think I got away with it.

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kidpresentable | 27 January 2011 - 6:53pm

Mine's

a prawn goebells, thanks

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illuminatus | 27 January 2011 - 7:34pm

This site...

...represents an investment, not only of money, but also of time. There aren't many magazines in which the writers and editorial staff interact with their readers to the extent that the people at WORD do. It's a really big deal. Somebody on the team understands that the way your product is portrayed online reflects on the physical publication that makes its way into the shops every month. It isn't enough to host a message board or a blog and then leave it to find it's own level. You have to nurture it and be involved.

Obviously the WORD is not above criticism. There are things that I like about it and things that I don't. Saying that you like or dislike something is a bit different from announcing (on a board paid for by sales revenue) that you don't buy the magazine, or that you prefer a competitor. Thanks to a policy of open discussion, these are things that you are perfectly at liberty to say, but that doesn't mean that you should. It's like being invited to dinner at a friend's and then spending the evening telling everyone about the brilliant meal you had at someone else's house. It's rude and insulting to your hosts.

I read everything in the WORD, which is the reason that I continue to buy it. Many other publications (some mentioned above) fell by the wayside because when the next issue came around, the previous one was only partly read.

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backwards7 | 27 January 2011 - 7:35pm

This Is All Getting A Bit Overblown.

Personally, I think there's room for all the mags. While there's clearly a crossover, each has their own niche usp and that's why Father Christmas kindly brings me three mags every month, for my edification. But, none of them stimulates the warm glowies that Word does, when it goes plop on my mat.

I once heartily recommended an Unc*t cover disc to the Massive (http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/uncut-magazine) because I thought it was a good thing to do - and I happen to think that the cover disc is Word's only weak spot - and as far as I can make out, it didn't hurt The Word one bit.

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itfc1959 | 27 January 2011 - 8:44pm

Erm.

"It's like being invited to dinner at a friend's and then spending the evening telling everyone about the brilliant meal you had at someone else's house. It's rude and insulting to your hosts."

I don't think it's like that at all.

I think it's like David Hepworth says it is. The Word is a commercial venture in competition with other commercial ventures.

You said yourself, you BUY The Word. You don't get invited to someone's house and get given it.

If they want to remove posts about rival publications, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't go elsewhere, it's not that that makes me come here.

However, saying how free we are to do these things and then having a bit of a moan about it just smacks of a gift given grudgingly.

To pursue the 'invited round to friends'' analogy, it's like if they really made the effort and 'gave' you a wonderful meal, how would you feel if they kept mentioning how expensive the food was and how grateful you should be to be getting it?

It's nice to get a good meal, but if you begrudge giving me it, don't bother, thanks.

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Buxton | 27 January 2011 - 9:13pm

Except that

We're not moaning. Are we? That's certainly not the impression I mean to give. There are plenty of posts I don't like, and plenty of opinions I vehemently disagree with, but that doesn't mean I lose sleep over their placement or think for a moment they shouldn't be made. I'm not sure how many times I can say, "I don't mind, honest" before it becomes clear that I don't mind, honest.

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Fraser Lewry | 27 January 2011 - 11:21pm

Groovy

I believe you completely.

Though I think David Hepworth was 'having a bit of a moan'. I'm not suggesting anyone's kicking off and rounding up a posse. It doesn't matter, really. Bless him. ;)

0
Buxton | 27 January 2011 - 11:49pm

But

he is old and from Yorkshire so the grumbly gene is strong.

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el toro calvo grande | 28 January 2011 - 10:00am

Me too.

Hence.

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Buxton | 28 January 2011 - 5:22pm

'You dirty rat'

ok, try this one then

GREAT ARTICLE BOUT NIRVANA AND ENLIGHTENING PIECE ON SCRITTI POLITTI

*gets carted off by Mr H & E (Health & Efficiency?) in white coats*

*Escapes*

I see nothing wrong with the OP's point and he wasn't doing The Word down. Even Eastenders mentioned Coronation Street the other week. I didn't fight in two World Wars...admittedly etc

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DogFacedBoy | 27 January 2011 - 7:44pm

Yeah, but was it in

English or German?

0
Steve Turner | 27 January 2011 - 7:47pm

WHAT

They mentioned Corrie on Eastenders?

That *blows* my mind. In what context?

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JoLean | 27 January 2011 - 7:50pm

Context:

"'Ere Ricky, them slags on Corrie aren't sponsored by Cadbury's anymore but by a bunch of Kurts from a German Multinational. Would you Adam and Eve it? Cor luv a duck....bleedin' Nora it's only David Bloody Essex in the caff!"

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Ahh_Bisto | 27 January 2011 - 8:08pm

I haven't watched it in ages

but it probably went- Look darlin. We gotta talk about sumfink. It's that Coronation Street lark. Its been going on too long now behind me back. So tell em to leave it out. I ain't sayin nufink til I talk to my brief...'

actually it was this

or maybe this

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DogFacedBoy | 27 January 2011 - 8:28pm

Word War 2?

Being Swedish, I just support the side that appears to be winning at the moment.

Btw, if you ever visit Sweden and feel like discussing this - don´t. I was close to flogged for doing so while studying history. In that context (we where actually discussing Sweden´s politics during that era) I thought it was a fairly relevant question.

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Ola Claesson | 27 January 2011 - 8:31pm

We skipped WWII

when I was at school, leapt straight from League Of Nations cockups to United Nations fuckups.

So I've spent the rest of my life watching the History Channel to find out more. Luckily they don't show anything else but Nazis

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DogFacedBoy | 27 January 2011 - 8:37pm

This is all fine...

but what about Q? Tin hat on!

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harrisburg | 27 January 2011 - 8:07pm

The new issue of Practical Caravan is a belter

This month's issue of Practical Caravan is a belter. "First Look" at the Vanmaster TB; and the Coachman Amara versus the Lunar Lexon 530 in the "Twin Test" slot. Useful guide to the best sites near London for the Royal Wedding too. The Fleetwood Heritage spotlighted in the "Used Van" review. The towcar buying survey was lame though. A bit corporate.

2
Richard Lowe | 27 January 2011 - 8:11pm

An article in a recent Word

made me cry. At work. And I'm f*ckin nails, me. That bloody Jude Rodgers. Maybe when Mojo can boast a contributor half as good as she *then* I might pick it from the shelf.

0
badartdog | 27 January 2011 - 9:09pm

I hope...

... you're not a pilot.

1
Formbyman | 27 January 2011 - 9:18pm

What this site needs

Is a Mojo filter.

5
Spartacus Mills | 27 January 2011 - 11:10pm

Mmmm 3 for a penny

2
Dave Amitri | 27 January 2011 - 11:35pm

Mojo

My mum used to work in a factory making those.

0
Spartacus Mills | 27 January 2011 - 11:37pm

Can you ask her

if I can have my teeth back?

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Dave Amitri | 28 January 2011 - 12:11am

She got her

mojo working

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DogFacedBoy | 27 January 2011 - 11:58pm

And right on cue...

Speaking personally, I think the confusion (such as it is) stems from the fact that Messrs Ellen & Hepworth are - and forever will be - inextricably linked with both Q and Mojo. This does tend to muddy the waters somewhat in a discussion such as this.

So those mags are (in my mind, at least) like a couple of ex-wives. They may be shacked up with a fat German businessman these days and living a mundane life in a garish bungalow in Essex, but you gave each other the best years of your lives.

And so what if the poor old dears have become a little flabby in middle age and developed an unfortunate tendency to repeat themselves (boy, do they repeat themselves!), you never forget your first love, do you?

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mojoworking | 28 January 2011 - 3:36am

I've lost the thread of this thread

so let me just declare that

I read The Word now and again
I read Mojo now and again
I read Uncut now and again

I read Classic Rock every month.

I've just realised I don't really know which business conglomerate or multinational owns these mags or which publishing house puts them out, or which agency, distributor or whatever delivers them to WH Smith. And to be honest, I couldn't care less.

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rocker43 | 28 January 2011 - 12:22am

I buy Word every month.

I think the other two are pretty much like buying random chapters in various biographies and I can't be bothered to continually dip my middle-aged toes into their 'play some old' baths. However, if I have a train journey at a point in the month where I've already bought and read The Word, then I occasionally succumb to a bit of U**** & M***. Got no interest in their websites, no idea if they're good or bad. This one's great. The podcast's great.
I would still buy Word regularly even if it was owned by Germans as long as the writing was of the same standard. As for the multi-nationals bit you've lost me there. I've never checked out who owns what.

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Mr Fade | 28 January 2011 - 12:25am

Uncut and Mojo smell

So there!

1
Uncle Wheaty | 28 January 2011 - 1:06am

Yeah and I bet they don't wash their hands after

y'know, publication

0
Mousey | 28 January 2011 - 1:21am

my two bob's worth

I subscribe to Word , i buy other mags occasionally usually on what records are being reviewed or a feature article that appeals.

There is a trade off in purchasing decision- air freighted mags are close to 20 bucks aussie.But as I subscribe to word that's a locked in sale

The german multi national jibe was uncalled for. Suppose the Word gets an offer too good to refuse ,an offer to secure the retirement of Messrs Ellen and Hepworth - will we be encouraged to cancel our subscriptions on the basis of the change of ownership?

I don't think it is good etiquette to plug issues of other mags on the word blog.An article can be discussed if it makes a particularly interesting point - but plugging an issue ..not good form.

I still think the Word's music review section is underweight and should be better. There is too much about British TV much of which is not seen in my part of the world.

I think the team are excellent,all are v. good wrtiers, I appreciate David sticking his neck out and interactibng with the massive and Fraser is the very model of the reasonable man -except whwen he bags aussies;D

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Junior Wells | 28 January 2011 - 1:50am

As you say

A$20 (£12.50) for the air mail edition is a serious investment, especially if you regularly pick up the big three UK dad rock monthlies (plus, on occasion, Q), as I do.

These days I'm usually happy to live with the sea mail editions (hardly a snip at $12 - or around seven and a half of your English pounds) and will only buy an air mail copy at an airport every couple of months or so.

At this point can I just put in a word of praise for the beleaguered subscriptions department? In December I wanted to purchase a subscription to The Word as an Xmas present for my daughter in London. However, being in Australia, this was proving difficult to do via the website.

In the end I had to phone the subscriptions department direct and let me say, they couldn't have been nicer or more efficient. Instead of the bored receptionist I was anticipating (and usually get when I ring a UK business), the chap I spoke to was completely on the ball, understood the situation perfectly and dealt with my problem right away.

It was all sorted within minutes and I felt really positive as I hung up. Sure enough, daughter received her first subscription copy right on time a few weeks ago.

Not only that, this very week I also received a personal letter from the charming Mr Ellen thanking me for choosing The Word.

Which was nice.

(although I suspect his signature on the letter is not really hand-signed).

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mojoworking | 28 January 2011 - 6:09am

Besides which

Probably 90% of the so-called 'free mentions' the competitors get on this blog either strongly imply or state outright the superiority of the wonder that is Word. Surely that's something to welcome and be proud of?

Though of course it's fallen in a heap since you eviscerated the reviews section.

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Donald McTroosers | 28 January 2011 - 2:30am

D'oh!

double post misery

0
illuminatus | 28 January 2011 - 3:10am

The Word

It's not as good as it used to be, you know
(with apologies to Viz)

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illuminatus | 28 January 2011 - 3:08am

No, no, no...

Weren't you people paying attention to Mr Hepworth's original post? He said:

"I do hope you go on their site and extol the virtues of small independent magazines that don't happen to be owned by German multi-nationals."

So I have gone over into enemy territory and done just that. Thank me later!

http://ubb.mojo4music.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=407769&#Pos...

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DrJ | 28 January 2011 - 2:55am

Daaaaave

He'll tell us what to do.

1
MyAmericanMate | 28 January 2011 - 9:14am

Tifter doffed to Dr J

No-nonsense Man of Action. "Don't sit around blathering about it. Just do it" That's his motto.

0
Richard Lowe | 28 January 2011 - 9:14am

Mind you, they rumbled you within 10 minutes...

Looks like there's some lurkers here who are regulars on the M*j* site though (*waves*)

0
stimpy | 28 January 2011 - 1:52pm

I don't

understand. Can you explain, please?

0
MyAmericanMate | 28 January 2011 - 1:59pm
stimpy | 28 January 2011 - 3:10pm

My bad

didn't follow the link.

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MyAmericanMate | 28 January 2011 - 3:35pm

Viz Top Tip

Subscribe to the excellent archive service at http://www.rocksbackpages.com and you'll never have to buy Mojo again.

2
James EB | 28 January 2011 - 4:08am

Nice one Richard

Are you at QEH on the 7th Feb? Maybe see you there, I'm in Row B.

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Bruised Mike | 28 January 2011 - 7:29am

MOJO and UNCUT

Ain't what they used to be, so it is rare that I even look them out on the newsagent's shelf. So take heart, Messrs Hepworth and Lewry, I am now almost entirely faithful to The Word, which is the only magazine that I subscribe to (other than Granta which is an entirely different kettle of fish).

0
Mr Sparks | 28 January 2011 - 11:11am

Don't you think MOJO could do with a revamp?

It's looking very dated. A tweak or two would be useful. And I HATE the black and white covers they keep doing.

I tell you, if I didn't get it for free I'd rarely buy it.

0
Five-Centres | 28 January 2011 - 1:28pm

Which is better...? There's only one wa...(leave it out, Ed.)

I used to like Mojo's themed CDs and it is certainly more up my musical Tin Pan Alley. But it does not offer me the Massive, the quality of writing on a diverse range of subjects - they do not produce a superb Podcast and there is no decent web-site where I can contribute bollocks.

I quite like reading Mojo once in a while, aswell as Shiding and Ugly Things but I CARE about The Word - not sure Mojo would engender such a feeling amongst it's readership.

7
Retro Man | 28 January 2011 - 2:15pm

Well said

1
Beezer | 28 January 2011 - 3:08pm

wordmojouncut

Apologies if this has already been said but i havent got time to read the whole thread. The main reason being that i have Word, Mojo,
Uncut and even Q to read this month. I have to buy them all because they each have a slightly different area of quality that keeps me coming back.
The perfect mag then would have the intelligence, humor and inclusiveness of Word, the musical lleanings of Mojo and their fab themed cds and be as rammed to the rafters as Uncut with features.As for Q i only really buy it these days because theyre usually first out of the traps, but stilltakes a promising cover. In short i buy them all nearly probably like many of your readers and not one at the exclusion of the other. Chin up Word people, you have your USP and i'm here for the long haul! ;-)

0
jonnyartist | 28 January 2011 - 4:57pm

I think I'd need to CD to be interesting before I'd buy it...

...and I'm just back from Tesco's.

I didn't buy it.

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bigsteviecook | 28 January 2011 - 6:00pm

Dear God (incidentally, did Mojo like that then?)

I've been busy all day. I can't believe this damned thread is still here in the recently updated list.

If it carries on like this it will end up on the hot topics - 4 weeks list. Imagine how grumpy Lord Hepworth of Cleckhuddersfax would be then?

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el toro calvo grande | 28 January 2011 - 6:31pm

Yes

that would be a shame

Yours

The League of Evil German Multinationalists

1
DogFacedBoy | 28 January 2011 - 6:37pm

The League of Evil German Multinationalists

TMFTL...

Didn't they feature Robert Fripp, Barry Andrews, Sara Lee and Heinrich Bauer?

0
stimpy | 28 January 2011 - 6:48pm

surely

the point was merely that there was an article that may have been of interest to Word readers. It wasn't saying 'so buy Mojo instead this month'.
Bargepole subscribes to both of the above and buys Classic Rock on and off too. In any given month one of the three may be more interesting, but that's just the way it goes depending on what's inside!

2
bargepole | 29 January 2011 - 1:08pm

This month's Mojo

In response to the OP I perused it in the newsagent and after a couple of minutes decided there was nothing therein to entice me to part with the best part of £5.

0
Carl Parker | 30 January 2011 - 1:11pm

I'd just like to add that

the Uncut tribute to Captain Beefheart wasn't up to the mark and so it remained glued to Sainsburys' shelves.

0
Molesworth | 30 January 2011 - 3:51pm

Credit where it's due..

Ian MacDonald's alright by me.

0
Buxton | 30 January 2011 - 5:33pm

What the Massive

don't know, and I really stuck it to the German multi national, I nicked this months copy of Mojo.
Can I come back in now? It's a bit chilly.

2
jimmyshoes01 | 1 February 2011 - 9:26am

Sorry mate,

I think you will find that questioning the God of Word is tantamount to blasphemy. And for this the penalty is a chinese burn, such is the severity. Do let us know when this has been administered and we may start speaking to you again!

0
mark0510 | 2 February 2011 - 8:42am

Hey

this isn't a library, beat it kid!

1
DogFacedBoy | 30 January 2011 - 2:08pm

Hey!

It's Norris Cole!

1
mojoworking | 30 January 2011 - 3:42pm

On the strength of this month's Word article

I went out and bought GQ.

0
skirky | 30 January 2011 - 5:35pm

Really?

The Dylan Jones article just reinforced my decision never to buy such a piece of aspirational glossy rubbish.

2
Spartacus Mills | 31 January 2011 - 10:43am

Really?

No.

1
skirky | 31 January 2011 - 12:05pm

GQ isn't for me either

The Dylan jones piece reinforced that, but i thought it was a really insightful article. Would Mojo produce something like that?

0
stepheny | 31 January 2011 - 11:53am

I wouldn't know

as I can't read german.

4
Mr Fade | 31 January 2011 - 1:29pm

Oy!

I hope you lot realise that every time another reply is added to this thread, it only bolsters its position in the Hot Topics list.

Oh bugger.

1
Archie Valparaiso | 1 February 2011 - 12:47pm

Just go shoplifting in Sainsburys

it's easy to nick magazines, if you know what you're doing. I lifted this month's Q and used it to wipe my arse with.

0
chabsy | 1 February 2011 - 1:02pm

Bit shiny though

0
stimpy | 1 February 2011 - 1:26pm

what - chabsy's arse?

(:-)

0
Ozmium | 1 February 2011 - 8:55pm

Q Magazine

long, strong and very absorbant

0
DogFacedBoy | 1 February 2011 - 1:46pm

How well I remember

the point in time immediately before Mojo started and all we had was Q mag.

That meant you'd often get the unsettling situation where a 6 page Spice Girls' feature was followed by an in-depth interview with Rory Gallagher.

Kylie Minogue would rub shoulders with Frank Zappa and Rick Astley was often cheek-by-jowl with John Martyn.

Great days, but clearly the market was crying out for some kind of demarcation.

Imagine that - a magazine full of nothing but music you could relate to.

Mojo - we may be slagging it off now, but at the start it was a absolute masterstroke, wasn't it?

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mojoworking | 1 February 2011 - 2:29pm

But I want a magazine which covers

Doobie Brothers and Girls Aloud
Richard Thompson and Boney M
Anvil and a major Stock Aitken & Waterman retrospective

It's all music and it's all good.

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stimpy | 1 February 2011 - 2:51pm

Husker Du Du Du

Captain Beefheart, ELO
Chris de Burgh, Sun Ra
Del Amitri, John Coltrane

5
Spartacus Mills | 1 February 2011 - 3:40pm

Ahhh you see

I have no interest in the second half of each line. Clever post though. But if it came to pass it would be a mag I wouldn't buy. However if you replace them with obscure rootsy / folky acts from the 70s to the present day I'd buy it like a shot.

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Twangothan | 1 February 2011 - 8:11pm

Quite so

Were we really reading the Spice Girls features because we had a deep and meaningful appreciation of their music?

Or were we actually hoping they'd say something even more asinine than usual while agonising over which one was more fanciable?

No, Mojo was well overdue.

1
mojoworking | 1 February 2011 - 11:39pm

Spice Girls

Someone I know* wrote a thesis with *lots* of references to the Spice Girls. She** would be happy to write an article about it for the Word.

*me

**still me

0
JoLean | 2 February 2011 - 1:18am

Did you write the thesis

at a, ahem, Posh university?

Or one of them Scary provincial ones?

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mojoworking | 2 February 2011 - 4:31am

I'm just here for....

...the free cover-mounted CDs, 'cos that's the kind of cheap tart I am.

The Word ones keep me up-to-date with new releases, whilst the competition (really just M**o now, I suppose) introduces me to some older and broadly genred stuff I might not have got to know otherwise.

In terms of the writing, I err towards The Word, and agree that M**o and U***t can, at times, be going over the same old stuff to the point where I refuse to have any of such artists' work in my collection (HJH, Dylan, Stones, Bowie).
However, I do like M**o's extensive round-up of re-issues which will generally lead me to one purchase every couple of months.

As someone mentioned above, it's all about music, and music is life. There are none of us here without it.

[just registered on the site today, so as first contributions go, I hope it meets with approval]

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MikeT-23 | 2 February 2011 - 12:57am

Hello...

...good evening and welcome ;-)

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mojoworking | 2 February 2011 - 1:20am

you were going along quite excellently until

I got to the ban on Stones and bob in your collection ;D

welcome ( perhaps you should rchange your nom de plume to cheap tart)

1
Junior Wells | 2 February 2011 - 3:51am

I fibbed a bit...

....as I do have the Stones' 'Hot Rocks', and I ripped a copy of the Dylan lp with "..everybody's got to get stoned.." on it.
Does that buy me some inclusion?
Please?
8¬)

0
MikeT-23 | 3 February 2011 - 5:08pm

How much do you hate the Romans?

A lot.

Alright, you're in.

0
Beezer | 3 February 2011 - 10:28pm

Mojo are wankers

If that was the title of the OP then everyone would be happy

0
Donald McTroosers | 2 February 2011 - 3:00am

Classic Rock

is possibly the most honest magazine of the lot. And yet it's somehow the most depressing.

It seems to be saying. "Let's face it, you're getting old and anyway, all this modern music is crap. Just stick with your Purple, Sabbath and Bad Company LPs and everything will be OK. By the way, have you had that prostate test done this year, like we told you?"

CR is pitched squarely at my age bracket (I grew up in the 50s & 60s) yet every time I read it, my heart sinks as I reach for the metaphorical pipe and slippers and the key to the allotment shed.

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mojoworking | 2 February 2011 - 5:38am

eh?

cheer up dude and play yourself Black Sabbath I. Life isn't that bad.

Classic Rock always gives me a couple of hours entertainment once a month as I delve into my musical past.

0
rocker43 | 2 February 2011 - 9:21pm

Black Sabbath I?

Is that better than the lesser-known Black Sabbath II?

Thanks for the tip "dude". ;-)

0
mojoworking | 2 February 2011 - 10:54pm

UNCUT Subscription Offer

On page 107 of the March issue (price £4.60) they have the following offer: "Pay only £9.50 an issue when you subscribe to UNCUT."

0
Cornwall Guy | 2 February 2011 - 6:06am

I've been

censored. How special. I am not allowed on the Hot Topics thread.
I feel dangerous.

0
jimmyshoes01 | 3 February 2011 - 9:05pm

Or, another way of looking at it

is that it's eight days since the thread started and you're still in the Last Four Weeks list. But, yeah, go with the conspiracy theory if you prefer.

5
Captain Underpants | 3 February 2011 - 9:14pm

Time flies

when you're being subversive.

Viva la revolution.

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jimmyshoes01 | 3 February 2011 - 9:39pm
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