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MOBO Awards
Posted by Dr Yang on 27 September 2009 - 3:28pm.
The fuss (well, a big poster) in Glasgow as it prepares to host the MOBO Awards made me wonder... how do you tell what is music of black origin these days?
How come Alesha Dixon qualifies but Girls Aloud don't?
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Surely, almost all pop music is of black origin?
Possibly,
even early Genesis and Jake Thackeray if you extrapolate far enough. I do hold, however, that all things Celtic came via Tir Na Nog. I'll get my shillelagh. My jazz is beamed directly from Sirius though.
Depends on what your definition of pop music is........
.....and when you think it started. I'd say that the origins of pop music were a mixture of the black peoples blues music and the white peoples country music, but the real origin of pop music is the acoustic guitar after it became mass produced.
I have a gold 7 inch single by Wayne County
and The Electric Chairs, a pink 12 inch single by Julian Cope and a blue vinyl LP by Blue Oyster Cult, but as far as I can remember everything else I own is of black origin.
Streetwalkers
I have their second album, Red Card, on red vinyl.
Homo Sapiens Sapiens
Every single human on the planet is of black origin. Go back far enough we are single cells in a primordial soup.
All distinctions are nonsensical ultimately.
We are one!
the Music of Primordial Soup Origin awards...
now those I'd watch.
The MOPSO awards :-)
Status Quo would be the initial lifetime achievement winners!
There are
slight differentations to the orthodoxy of the literal reality of this frame work that would deserve some serious consideration, I feel.
I do not believe in a 'God' figure, but having spent quite a few years studying religion, mystical belief and archeoligal finds in some depth, I would like to think, with an open minded , that accepted orthodoxy and timelength etc, is perfectly feasible but also completely unproved with a plethora of facts to compare. Google forbidden archeology for example.
Not exactly sure what you are saying Jams
but Darwin & DNA does it for me.
:-)
Each to his own.
Tongue half in cheek
I'm a glass half suspicious kind of guy. About everything.
Fair do's...
I try not to be a zealot, but I had a big conversion to science & rationalism when I lost a close relative.
Without an open mind, as you say, we'd never discover anything new.
Absolutely
and I subscribe to the general picture, but there are corners and threads so to speak that don't always suit the current interests of the prevailing orthodoxy. I certainly do not mean to imply anything by this re. your previous comment, but I think that I am probably one of the most rational people I know, and that sometimes requires taking the odd detour now and again.
That's cool
*Insert thumbs up*
Own up, it's an RT reference.
This book: Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race gives the game away; it's by Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson.
Richard *L.* Thompson?
What, Linda was involved as well?
Drat.
it was the George Roper Beret wearing one after all. Pesky kids mithering my abandoned amusement pork (thanks Viv) . I am not a Hare Krishna follower by the way, but that's perfectly cool if it strokes your thang.
MOWO?
How would a Music Of White Origin awards work?
You would start with a blank canvas!
Cynical hat firmly in place...
With a lawsuit for racism.
Rock 'n' Roll.
Jazz.
Boogie. Plus or minus woogie.
And probably some others. All are, obviously, terms for types of music. All were terms for sexual intercourse used by black people in the southern states.
Most of what we listen to is MOBO. So, really, the MOBOs should cover pretty much the whole span of popular music. It doesn't, though. But an award for Music Made By Black Folks But With The Occasional Cracker Put In To Keep People Happy probably wouldn't go down very well. So it gets called The MOBOs.
In the same way, the converse gets called The Brits.
I feel uncomfortable with both.
awards ceromonies
are for one thing and one thing only
to sell more records
colour dosent matter
Actually they are for two things...
(1) To sell more records
(2) To give Fearne Cotton employment
They should be sponsored
by those folk who make board markers.
They'd be the NOBO MOBOs then.
And if they were for homeless itinerant musicians...
they'd be the NOBO HOBO MOBOs.
and if
they were for music of black origin, sponsored by whiteboard makers,for the homeless and the antisocial who have played in defence for Everton - they could be the
NOBO HOBO ASBO YOBO MOBOs
I heard this year that they're doing them in slow motion...
That's right, it's the slo-mo NOBO HOBO ASBO YOBO MOBOs. Should be good.
But I gather it's now being boycotted by the
very people they were targeting...
The Slo-mo NOBO NOGO HOBO ASBO YOBO MOBOs
So that'll be...
A no-show then.
But they won't be anything special...
They'll be remembered as the (deep breath) so-so slo-mo NOBO HOBO ASBO YOBO MOBOs
Are they being held
in SOHO?
I
HOPESO
Didn't notice any nominations for...
Perry Como.
The Big Dog is
CUJO
The point...
that all pop is MOBO was made in 1995 when the awards were first set up, so well done for getting round to that. Meanwhile, the organiser, Kanya King, a woman who achieves more in her lunchtime than most of us do in a lifetime, has helped to put British urban music on the map and is probably more concerned with doing that than revisiting 15-year-old semantic arguments.
Thank God …
… they're not sponsored by M*jo.
Not so much about the semantics
I wasn't trying to go off on one about the semantics, more that I don't understand what qualifies a musician or singer to be "of black origin" in terms of the awards.
It isn't the singer because we had Joss Stone nominated as best UK act of the year in 2005 or Eminem nominated this year, and it isn't the songwriters or producers because we have Alesha Dixon (and countless others). As others have said (for 15 years) most genres of popular music can be related back to some kind of black origin, so what gives?
Now the BBC are reporting some ructions because former Mobo panellist Paul McKenzie says that "Glasgow just isn't sexy and it's a very white city."
White city ? Not quite.
Not many Afro-Caribbeans perhaps, but a considerable Asian population. And black music has always done well there. And Glasgow is way sexier than Leeds or Birmingham.
(Awaits onslaught from the Midlands and Yorkshire...)