Missed opportunities?
Old git ramble warning.
I brought the 2CD version of 'The Sound of the Smiths' home with me this afternoon. Can't fault the music, but some things about the release are bugging me.
Given that you'd surely only need about 3 CDs to contain everything they ever recorded, this is a bit of a weird beast. An EXTRA 'This Charming Man'? Live versions? Album tracks? While a few amazing B-sides ('Unloveable', 'Rubber Ring') go astray, and 'Barbarism Begins at Home' is chopped in half (sorry, 'edit' is too posh a word for that).
Also a bit surprised at the design of the thing, for that matter. The booklet has endless photos of the boys looking indie and sensitive - while those gorgeous, painstakingly designed sleeves are shrunk to a mosaic BEHIND the disc trays! Wouldn't free art cards be more like it?
I know I'm naive and that bringing out endless Smiths compilations is probably a nice moneyspinner, but surely - release the definitive item and it would sell forever.
Mrs Specs_Beard's favourite band of all time is Queen. She has never been able to understand why there's been no B-sides or rarities albums, in the face of ridiculous pseudo-best-ofs like 'Queen Rocks' or 'Greatest Hits III'.
Now it looks like she's getting her wish, but in the shape of those bizarre EMI singles boxes - ie she will have to buy all the A-sides AGAIN to get the B-sides, on several separate discs lasting about 10 minutes each.
Does anyone else feel this way about releases from their favourite bands (old or new)? There's a perfect release waiting to happen but you just get the sense that the record companies keep screwing it up?
- More from Specs_Beard.
- Login or register to post comments








Love is blind
In your house I hope it's deaf too.
That's my wife you're talking about, etc
Ah now, can't agree with you there, Gatz, because I'm partial to a bit of Queen myself.
On a slightly chivalrous note, I do count myself lucky (music obsessive that I am) to have found a partner who does actually get wound up about things like B-sides compilations.
Johnny Marr...
talked about the shoddy way in which The Smiths' catalogue has been handled in an interview in The Word a few months back. I don't know whether he had any part to play in this new best of, but from the sounds of it I would say almost certainly not.
It's a shame... a band as great as that surely deserves better.
Johnny Marr...
..remastered the tracks and so, hopefully, the compilation is a taster for the albums themselves being reissued.
I may be wrong...
...but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that both Mozzer and Marr were actively involved in this reissue (leading to recent 'reunion' rumours) - so they do have to take some of the blame.
Me? I'd have bought it just to get my hands on the 'New York' version of This Charming Man that I used to have on 12" many years ago (not that it's a particularly great version - I just used to have it and now I don't).
But I agree - it's a missed opportunity to get a really comprehensive box set out there.
Isn't this just the result of 'Marketing'?
In primary school, it was what we did on a Friday afternoon when the teacher had had enough for the week, and let us loose on the paints and sugar paper for the last hour or so.
Morrissey and Marr
both gave this release their blessing, I am led to understand. The version of Barbarism Begins At Home is the version that was released as a single in parts of Europe - the UK release of the single edit was scrapped, but it wasn't edited specifically for this compilation.
The sound quality is great on this compilation - the cds of the albums sound very poor in comparison. The good news is that this compilation came out on the Rhino label and their compilations usually preceed a comprehensive back catalogie reissue. That said, however, Marr has pointed out in interviews many times that The Smiths put out pretty much everything they recorded. There is very little in the way of unreleased songs or alternative versions. There are the Peel Sessions, of course, but much of that has already been issued and BBC recordings are very expensive to license. There are a few live recordings, some demos, and the Troy Tate early recordings. But most of these are available on good quality bootlegs via www.naughtydownload.com. I love the idea of a Smiths boxed set, but aside from the studio albums, non album singles and b-sides, I don't think there would be much we haven't already heard.
is that the right link?
it maybe as i think my girlfriend is now in a coma! Im still trying to explain it.
Christ almighty!
I didn't really think that there WAS a link there! I had no idea what that was going to take you to.
Sorry about that, folks!
You might want to drop Fraser a quick heads-up
as it were.
Obviously I haven't kept abreast of the latest sexual slang.
The word 'bootleg' meant something a bit different the last time I used it.
Jesus!
I clicked before reading the following posts too. I'm not sure Morrissey would aprove.
Then again, if he didn't mean "Paint A Vulgar Picture"...
Bloody Hell
Johnny Marr has really let himself go.
There's a whole load...
...of b-sides which haven't been made available on CD (excepting the 1992 WEA single reissues) and a casual perusal of the internet will reveal sites brimming with compilations full of live tracks and outtakes.
The biggest impediment
to a comprehensive rerelease of Smiths rarities, b-sides, live recordings (audio and video), BBC sessions, etc., so those in the know will have you know, is the same reason The Smiths have not and will not reform - ol' Mozzer himself. He still, apparently, has yet to hand over a penny of the money awarded to Mike Joyce after the latter's successful court case, leading the drummy one to issue all manner of injunctions against Mozzer - at one point Joyce was collecting all of Mozzer's royalties from sales of Smiths items, as well as his own.
Since any new Smiths releases would see a significant amount of money going to Joyce, Moz has been happy to keep them to a bare minimum. I don't think it's possible to overestimate the size of the grudge Moz holds on this issue.
Hands off approach
I hope this does mean a proper reissue campaign and, yes, the sound quality is terrific (that's the main reason I bought it when, surely like everyone else, I already had most of the music).
Mind you, Marr, it seems, only 'supervised' the mastering (whatever that means), and I read that Morrissey simply stepped in at the last minute with the title.
Maybe they're more ambivalent about it than we'd like to think.
One for Paul Beard
The driving force is called money, tho' whether it is for the record company or the band is debateable and varies. One reason why there are so many dodgy Fairport (hi, Paul!) compilations, is Dave Peggs habit of short term deals with dodgy labels to put out double "best ofs"/retrospectives (aka some old tat we haven't put out before). More often, however, I suspect it is the companies extracting the maximum from their back catalogues at our expense, via the enticement of "previously unreleased". All too often we discover why!
Best reissue program
I have seen in a long time is the reissue of the Cud albums. So much love has been put into them by the band. These albums were going for daft prices on ebay until they were rereleased. The sound on the new versions is amazing, the artwork and sleevenotes are entertaining and informative. The extra tracks are stunning, including Peel sessions, b-sides, cover versions, as opposed to the usual live stuff you generally get. The first album, which was released unmastered originally, has now been mastered properly and sounds fantastic. All of the discs run to about seventy minutes and can be ordered on tinternet for as little as £6.99 each.
The recent Buzzcocks double discers are terrific, too.
Released unmastered?
You mean they lathed each individual copy of the album direct from the master tapes? ;-)
I think it's simple.
Just re-master all of the albums. Put them in good quality versions of the original sleeves. Have any extras on a second cd. Sell them loose or in a nicely packed box with a decent bit of writing about them. They'd get my money (and I have been waiting to spend it on a decent Smiths boxset for at least 10 years).
Nobody's dead but is 'Paint A Vulgar Picture ' on there?
Sounds like it should be.
Tin-ears
I may have to download one of the songs in order to find out whether this remastering makes any difference at all to my tin ears. To me it's always about the songs. Whenever anyone puts out a remaster or some such, the improvement in quality completely escapes me.
I reckon they're worth it
I'm a sucker for a good remaster. To me they make it sound as if the album has been given a good clean - instruments are given better separation, vocals are clearer, and so on.
The Sisters of Mercy's Floodland just comes alive on the remastered version, especially the drum machine, where the original sounded a little muddy (to me, at least).
Dead Can Dance recently re-released all their albums on SACD - the sound is phenomenal, with every musician sounding as if they're in the room with you. Listen with the lights off and no distractions.
Ultravox's first two albums have been remastered, and now I hear whole sounds I never noticed before.
New Order
Specs asked, "Does anyone else feel this way about releases from their favourite bands (old or new)? There's a perfect release waiting to happen but you just get the sense that the record companies keep screwing it up?"
Yep -try any of the New Order re-re-re-releases since Republic.
Best Of - rubbish compilation, released in two entirely different versions in the UK & US.
Rest Of - potentially very good compilation ruined by some poor remix choices (The "Biff & Memphis" remix of Touched by the Hand of God anyone? Thought not.) and the fact that it was released in wildly different versions across the three formats current at the time (LP, Cassette & CD).
International - pointless money grabbing exercise collating a bunch of tracks already widely available.
Retro Box Set - spoilt by allowing slebs to choose tracks, odd track orders etc. AND a missed opportunity to release some genuinely rare tracks.
Singles - actually Singles was OK. The exception that proves the rule?
Recent album "Remasters" - while the albums themselves appear to have been remastered to a pretty good standard, the accompanying "Bonus" disks are insultingly bad. This was discussed on an earlier thread on the site.
Some while ago there was talk of plans to re-release all of New Order's singles, rather like Queen have done recently. The project even had a name - Recycle - but it was dropped, allegedly because of cost concerns. I'm sure I'm not the only NO fan who would love to see something released akin to that. I'm equally sure that I'm not the only NO fan who knows that London Records would inevitably screw it up...