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Misleading tourist advice in songs

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I was briefly in San Jose late last year. If you believe Burt Bacharach and Dionne Warwick, it's a beautiful city full of open spaces. My arse it is; it's a typically dense bit of LA that's full of gas-guzzling cars.

So to what degree can you rely on songwriters for travel advice? Is the prospect of arriving in Amarillo as exciting as Tony Christie would have us believe? Is Alabama really sweet? Is a sunset in Waterloo paradise?

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Rock

The Casbah? Inadvisable I'd say.

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Dave Amitri | 17 November 2010 - 2:31pm

Elvis

Was clearly not enamoured by the delights of Chelsea. It's not that bad.

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Steerpike | 17 November 2010 - 2:37pm

Cambodia

My sister-in-law went on holiday to Cambodia recently. She said it was lovely. What do The Dead Kennedies know, huh...?

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Red Umpire | 17 November 2010 - 2:38pm

But was it like this?

Cambodia- Kim Wilde

Kim had such a bad time she took up gardening

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Chris G | 18 November 2010 - 11:58am

There isn't

a house in New Orleans they call the Rising Sun. At least not according to Google Street View.

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Prestonia | 17 November 2010 - 2:39pm

But there is one in Stanwell...

...not so far from us.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=the+rising...

Doesn't scan so well, though.

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Trevor_Raggatt | 19 November 2010 - 11:40pm

This reminds me.

Jarvis Cocker recently opened his 6Music show with this, which I loved.

Changes To The Hotel California In Response To Mr Henley's Recent Complaint

BY JOHN MOE

- - - -

Update room décor, including removal of ceiling mirrors

Restock spirit supplies, encourage Captain to offer guests other options

Acquire steelier knives and/or less resolute beast

Emphasize "heaven" image over less desirable "hell" alternative

Install electric-light system in hallway (long overdue), reassign employee who has been showing guests to room by candlelight

Upgrade music selection to accommodate both guests who dance to remember and those who do so to forget

Improve courtyard air conditioning to reduce occurrences of sweet summer sweat

Encourage nightman to be less cryptic when talking to guests

Clearly mark passage back to places guests have been before

Emphasize core strengths: lovely place, plenty of room, consistent location

Reduce power on colitis-oil highway pumps; smell may be overly aggressive

Provide "house alibis" to guests who neglect to bring their own

Streamline checkout procedures to accommodate guests' desire to actually leave

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Bob | 17 November 2010 - 2:40pm

Amarillo

Billie Joe Shaver contradicts Mr Christie on his song Leavin' Amarillo

I'm down at the station just trying to buy some gasoline
I'm leavin' Amarillo and I ain't coming back again
You can't buy beer here at the grocery store
But I don't have to worry about that no more
'Cause I'm leavin' Amarillo and I ain't coming back again

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Carl Parker | 17 November 2010 - 2:41pm

Kula Shaker

"You can find your way home on the 303" always comes to mind when I get confused by the Podimore roundabout and end up in the wrong direction.

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murrance | 17 November 2010 - 2:41pm

Confusingly...

...and despite the Long Blondes averral to the contrary, neither the A14 nor the A1 is a motorway.

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Bob | 17 November 2010 - 2:45pm

and I live in Fulwood

which seems like a nice villagey suburb on the cusp of the Peaks to me. Not Babylon.

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spt | 18 November 2010 - 9:21am

and I live in Fulwood

which seems like a nice villagey suburb on the cusp of the Peaks to me. Not Babylon.

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spt | 18 November 2010 - 9:35am

Small world

I used to live there!

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Hannah | 19 November 2010 - 11:52pm

Forge Dam

also appears in song. Jarvis was wrong, my eldest loves the horse with the mournful tune.

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spt | 21 November 2010 - 7:23am

Also...

...when I suggested to a cab driver in Cairo that he pick me up at "half past monsoon", he didn't have a fucking clue what I was on about. Thanks for that, Suggs.

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Bob | 17 November 2010 - 2:49pm

Wichita

Contrary to the bleak loveliness conjured up by the song Wichita Lineman, the city is actually a bit of a letdown. I asked at the Visitor Information Centre if there was anything I should see, and was greeted by a blank expression and the eventual suggestion "the mall?".

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Fraser Lewry | 17 November 2010 - 2:53pm

But

were the telephone lines well-maintained?

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Brookster | 17 November 2010 - 2:57pm

I'm pleased to report

That I was able to order a flight out of there over the phone without any problems at all.

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Fraser Lewry | 17 November 2010 - 3:02pm

thus falls

Witchita Falls

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Steerpike | 17 November 2010 - 3:24pm

Ray was right about "Waterloo Sunset" though

easily one of the top ten views in the world.
waterloo sunset

sorry didn't have shot from the bridge.

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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 2:57pm

I got a lovely shot on my 'phone from the bridge the other week.

I'll post it once I get round to sticking the pix on my computer.

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Lenny Law | 17 November 2010 - 11:45pm

There must be something

to do in Liverpool except sign on or were The Bangles lying to us?


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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 3:00pm

I've been to Wardour Street

and thankfully there was no sign of an 'A' Bomb anywhere.

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drakeygirl | 17 November 2010 - 3:07pm

Ah but one of the happiest moments of my life

was the day years ago when I saw Paul Weller walking down Wardour st.

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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 3:10pm

Meanwhile 5 mins away in Fitzrovia

I've never been asked how to spell "audaciously" on Charlotte st.

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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 4:17pm

don't even seem to be any

basement flats...Maybe he meant the one in Glasgow

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al renwick | 19 November 2010 - 2:16pm

Bono saves London!

"How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" Songster in Wardour Street Bomb Defusing Heroics!

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Mark JF | 17 November 2010 - 4:14pm

Club Tropicana

Drinks are free.

They bloody aren't, as security were only too pleased to inform me.

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Spartacus Mills | 17 November 2010 - 3:12pm

not quite enough

fun and sunshine to go round either.

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murrance | 17 November 2010 - 3:38pm

You went to the wrong place:

You should have gone to Club Tropiana: all that is missing is the 'c'.

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JoLean | 17 November 2010 - 8:20pm

I've been to Buffalo.

And most of the gals overtook on the inside.

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Bob | 17 November 2010 - 3:12pm

Partly right

Rain grey town known for its sound
In places small faces unbound

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MyAmericanMate | 17 November 2010 - 3:13pm

LA?

Its 340 miles from San Jose to LA - more like part of San Franciso (misleading tourist advice indeed) - nit picking I know - but two very different cities. San Jose is a lot more pleasant than most of CA IMHO

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Andrew2 | 17 November 2010 - 3:14pm

Oops

Sorry, I wrote LA when I should have written California.

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Brookster | 17 November 2010 - 3:16pm

It does actually rain

... in California

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Steerpike | 17 November 2010 - 3:26pm

It never rains in Southern California

It pours, man, it pours.


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bassclef (not verified) | 17 November 2010 - 4:10pm

Went to San Francisco the other year

Got some very strange looks from the natives.

Thanks for nothing, Mr McKenzie.

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Paul Waring | 17 November 2010 - 3:14pm

To my knowledge...

...Frances Farmer never did get her revenge on Seattle. I asked several people at Tourist Information and just received puzzled looks.

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Bob | 17 November 2010 - 3:16pm

I'm on a plain.

And I'm exceptionally prone to flooding. So I bloody well can complain.

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Bob | 17 November 2010 - 3:19pm

"San Jose full of gas-guzzling cars"

Of course it is.

That's why all the stars that never were are parking cars and pumping gas.

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Paul Waring | 17 November 2010 - 3:25pm

So when Ms Warwick sang

"You can really breathe in San Jose," she was actually referring to carbon monoxide?

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Brookster | 17 November 2010 - 3:27pm

Funnily enough

I too visited San Jose (about 10 years ago now, admittedly) and had exactly the same thoughts as you while I was there.

Completely nondescript place with no redeeming features I could find whatsoever. Even the pizza we had 'downtown' (once we found 'downtown') was bland and tasteless.

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Paul Waring | 17 November 2010 - 4:40pm

I once stopped in Charlotte

then bypassed Rock Hill
Still arrived late.

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MyAmericanMate | 17 November 2010 - 3:26pm

I went to New York...

...on the advice of Simon and Garfunkel, thinking I'd be certain to pull, given the ratio of male to female.

Disappointing.

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Bob | 17 November 2010 - 3:28pm

Nah you should have gone

to "surf City" where it's two girls for every boy....

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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 3:34pm

Snow in San Anselmo?

Was there chuff!

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jhastings | 17 November 2010 - 3:38pm

I imagine that

all the tourists glumly flocking to Penny Lane were as let down as I was the first time I "rocked down to electric Avenue" in Brixton. Admitedly the a market wasn't on but you know not a funky as I'd imagined. Oh and Amen Corner is a bend in the road in Tooting!

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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 3:41pm

Amen Corner

And a bend in the road in Newcastle. Near the cathedral.

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Spartacus Mills | 17 November 2010 - 3:43pm

One at St Paul's London EC too

Mind you AFW was wide-eyed and legless so he may have been seeing multiples

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FakeGeordie | 18 November 2010 - 6:35pm

I'm sorry, Mr Haggard

But I regularly visit Muskogee, and I have on more than one occasion seen young people with long, shaggy hair, wearing sandals and smoking marijuana.
Disgusted, from Oklahoma.

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drakeygirl | 17 November 2010 - 3:40pm

Never been

but does "portishead" really feel faintly filmic and scary with a mad woman wailing away while a grumpy bloke uses a theremin?

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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 3:44pm

On a grey day, it can be

filmic and scary, in a bleak, faded seaside town sort of way. I've not seen a theremin (perhaps it was thereminute and gone the next?).

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nicktf | 17 November 2010 - 9:04pm

It's a Long Way To Tipperary

Not if you're in Limerick.

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Badlands | 17 November 2010 - 3:46pm

Oh and the Trevi fountain's

full of coins.

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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 4:06pm

MacArthur Park

Never felt the urge to visit L.A. to go.

Sweet green icing flowing down?

The blame must lay with that idiot who left a cake out in the rain.

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Resting Place | 17 November 2010 - 4:10pm

If the damn fool hadn't lost the recipe,

he could have made a replacement.

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stimpy | 17 November 2010 - 4:20pm

ELO - Last Train To London

Best avoided.

Better class of person on the second last train.

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Resting Place | 17 November 2010 - 4:12pm

Location Location Location

At the turn of the millennium I was renting a flat just off Northcote Road in Clapham. The area 'between the commons' is known as Nappy Valley on account of the massed ranks of well-to-do yummy mummies pushing buggy from Marks & Sparks to the Boiled Egg and Solidiers and back. It's all pearls and princelings and only a few minutes walk from South London's largest rail hub - handy for the commute to the city.

If Glenn Tilbrook had just one thought of something missing whilst he was in the kitchen, well, he really should have bought - his place would be worth a fortune by now.

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James EB | 17 November 2010 - 4:16pm

He's only going out

with a "girl from Clapham" could just as easily be Beckenham or Mitcham Junction ; )

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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 4:22pm

My mistake

Chris Difford wrote the words, not Glenn Tilbrook. He was referencing Neil Dunn's novel, "Up The Junction," which is about the grim lives of the Battersea poor in the post-war period.

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James EB | 17 November 2010 - 4:37pm

I was standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona

and got arrested for loitering.

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stimpy | 17 November 2010 - 4:18pm

And you thought

it was a girl, my Lord, in a flatbed Ford slowing down to take a look at you!

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Mark JF | 17 November 2010 - 4:23pm
stimpy | 17 November 2010 - 4:36pm

More likely

you'd get sunburn.
Mrs P has been through said "town" and says it's hardly worth mentioning in a song. There's the desert, a few nondescript buildings and the road, that inexplicably bends.

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Carl Parker | 17 November 2010 - 8:52pm

I would love to

experience the first verse of The Pogues's Broad Majestic Shannon, but not entirely sure that Shane MacGowan ever consulted a road map.
Otherwise the great Neapolitan song - Funiculi Funicula - wouldn't offer the best guidance about how to get up to Vesuvius now.

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Francis Barry-Walsh | 17 November 2010 - 4:18pm

"Trumpton Riots" - HMHB

It's really not all that bad!

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Mark JF | 17 November 2010 - 4:21pm

being on Lord Hereford knob's

doesn't sound as much fun as you'd imagine though.

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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 4:23pm

There was not

a row going on down near Slough, they all appeared extremely happy and looking forward to the big day.

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Dave Amitri | 17 November 2010 - 4:25pm

Al lthat rugby might have put hair

on Will's chest but he's thinning on top though.

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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 4:27pm

Ah, Slough -

when I temped in the factories it was well known for the smell of brown .... chocolate bars (Mars factory).

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DLM | 18 November 2010 - 1:02am

Mmmm

drove a van in the late 80's and the Mars factory was on my run every day as was the whole trading estate that is Slough, happy days.

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Dave Amitri | 18 November 2010 - 9:36am

We went to Scarborough Fair

and they were out of herbs! All we got was some 3 day old brandy snaps and a goldfish.

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Chris G | 17 November 2010 - 4:30pm

Although

Durham is very nice, so we can give some credit to Roger Whittaker.

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Brookster | 17 November 2010 - 4:32pm

Predictably enough...

...that song is wheeled out at every Durham University graduation bop/disco/whatever. The predictability didn't stop me weeping like a bairn when it was my turn, mind.

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Bob | 17 November 2010 - 4:35pm

...but you can't sit on the

...but you can't sit on the banks of the river Tyne & watch the ships going down the line there can you?

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alunrees | 18 November 2010 - 5:14pm

Montego Bay

Went there about 20 years ago.

Unfortunately Vernon wasn't there to meet me when the plane landed.

And there were no keys for an M.G. either.

Woah, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

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Resting Place | 17 November 2010 - 4:34pm

Went to New York and tried turning tricks on 53rd & 3rd

I never got picked...

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Retro Man | 17 November 2010 - 4:39pm

Went to Kashmir

got sun-burnt and couldn't understand a word the locals were talking about.

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Retro Man | 17 November 2010 - 4:45pm

I went to the land of the ice and snow...

...and the sun was indeed out at midnight, and there were indeed hot springs. So far so good, I thought. But to be honest, I found the quality of the tools in the local hardware shops no better than at home.

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Bob | 17 November 2010 - 4:47pm

You should have gone to the Reykjavik Garden Centre

where they sell the "Hammock Of The Gods"

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stimpy | 17 November 2010 - 5:28pm

I've been to Indian Queens once

Nick Lowe might want to go back there but I don't, thank you very much.

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Steve Turner | 17 November 2010 - 4:58pm

In concert

Nick memorably described Indian Queens as "makes Perivale look like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.

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Twangothan | 18 November 2010 - 5:12pm

Mum and Dad bought our dog

Mum and Dad bought our dog from a bloke in Indian Queens when I was a kid. Didn't spot any hanging baskets though...

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Trevor_Raggatt | 19 November 2010 - 11:44pm

Oh mist rolling in from the sea...

if memory serves, that would be at about 100 mph, horizontally with rain that would lash your miniskirted legs to ribbons.

Though geacher still lives there; he may have different memories.

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Helena Handcart | 17 November 2010 - 5:13pm

I don't...see below

And I have never worn a mini skirt, so I take your word on that one. Apart from once when... oh thats another story.

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geacher53 | 17 November 2010 - 10:31pm

Rodent Update

There is indeed a mouse living in a windmill in old Amsterdam, but I was disapointed to establish that he doesn't sing every morning about how happy he is. What a waste of a weekend that was.

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Martin Simmonds | 17 November 2010 - 5:23pm

"Michigan seems like a dream to me,now"

The parts I saw were not particularly dream like.

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Steve Turner | 17 November 2010 - 6:31pm

Proud Mary

John Fogarty was a bit hasty to presume people on the river would bail out every skint freeloader that heads their way.

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smithylad | 17 November 2010 - 7:46pm

Stood for an hour on Main Street, France

all I saw was cheap displays.

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Georgedivided | 17 November 2010 - 8:25pm

Adam Ant was spot on when he opined

...that "Young Parisians are so French"

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nicktf | 17 November 2010 - 9:08pm

Can't argue with that I guess

Although, as far as I'm aware, they're not all called Dubois.

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stimpy | 18 November 2010 - 11:51am

Mull Of Kintyre

Stood there many times and when the mist comes rolling in it's cold and damp and wet and miserable. My desire my arse.

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geacher53 | 17 November 2010 - 9:11pm

I got lost

in France

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Shells | 17 November 2010 - 9:50pm

I stood by the wall in Berlin...

...not much happened, to be fair.

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Richie B | 17 November 2010 - 11:16pm

Oops,

wrong wall :-)

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Black Type | 18 November 2010 - 12:32am

A few years ago I was in London

and visited Sunny Goodge St. Needless to say it was pissing down .

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Mousey | 17 November 2010 - 11:32pm

T'old Donnovan is right some of the time

after wandering up from wardour st, past Kirsty's bench in Soho square and seeing lloyd with all the advertising types on Charlotte st I have caught the sun on Goodge st occasionally..

Sunny Goodge Street

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Chris G | 18 November 2010 - 11:50am

Sunshine on Leith?

Let's just say that you would be unwise to base your holiday plans on that Proclaimers weather report.

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Lando Cakes | 17 November 2010 - 11:42pm

I've been to both Nice

and the Isle Of Greece, and I did not experience one thing in either which any woman is not supposed to see.

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Pax Romana | 17 November 2010 - 11:45pm

But...

...had your summer vacation taken in Juan-Les-Pines, you would have seen a certain lovely with a carefully designed topless swimsuit, with an even suntan ... on her back .... and on her legs.

And when the snow falls in St Moritz, there she is again, sipping a Napoleon Brandy without even getting her lips wet!

(Not sure where she goes to, when she's alone in her bed, however)

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Steerpike | 18 November 2010 - 10:02am

I suspect that Mike Oldfield has never set foot in Portsmouth.

The song is, of course, an instrumental. The video, however, does support my argument.

Try any of that skipping about and handkerchief shit round here and I suspect that a group of close-cropped, heavily-built and tattooed gentlemen might wish to have a Quiet Word. If you catch them on a good day, they might let you pick up your teeth before you run away.

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Lenny Law | 17 November 2010 - 11:54pm

i've been to Memphis...

and met fuck all in the line of gin-soaked bar-room queens, who tried to take me upstairs for 'a ride', whatever that might be...

*replaces Rolled Gold with Lonely Planet Guide*

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ivan | 17 November 2010 - 11:57pm

Ah, but you went to Memphis, Tennessee

and not Memphis in Egypt which is where Mick was really singing about. Possibly.

Although, contrary to David Byrne's assertion in Cities, it was never the home of the ancient Greeks although the did conquer it in 332 BC

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stimpy | 18 November 2010 - 11:56am

"It's raining in Baltimore, 50 miles east..."

Silly Counting Crows, the relevant Baltimore is thousands of miles west ... and I just checked the weather; "partly cloudy"

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Glenbervie | 18 November 2010 - 12:01am

And more on the rain theme...

"It's raining men!" Hardly likely, Messrs Jabara & Shaffer.

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Glenbervie | 18 November 2010 - 12:04am

I did have a lovely time

On the day I went to Bangor. But it cost well over a pound, I can tell you.

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Austin | 18 November 2010 - 3:32am

Or, thanks to Barry Cryer...

...We had a lovely time the day we went to Bangor, but she wasn't in.

I miss Humph.

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Bob | 18 November 2010 - 8:12am

(Bragging, but...) That's because

the lovely Samantha is sitting on my right hand.

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Mark JF | 18 November 2010 - 8:28am

Gosh, is she?

...you must have really ticled her fancy.

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Helena Handcart | 18 November 2010 - 9:44am

I've headed back to

Kirkstall, in the shadow of the sun.

I have also stood all night at a red light anywhere in town, hailing Marys left and right and not one of the bastards slowed down.

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James Blast | 18 November 2010 - 5:00pm

Road quality

It seems the quality of roads in Blackburn Lancashire has improved in terms of pothole repair, but there are still issues around cleanliness, albeit of low priority.

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/office_of_the_chief_executive/lancashirepro...

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Twangothan | 18 November 2010 - 5:16pm

Contrary to what

Scott McKenzie might have you believe, there is no particular advantage to be gained by wearing flowers in your hair when in San Francisco.

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Fraser M | 18 November 2010 - 5:21pm

Agreed!

And I would refer the honourable gentleman to my (admittedly over-cryptic) comment of 2:14 on the 17th!

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Paul Waring | 18 November 2010 - 5:25pm

Arse!

I did search for relevant keywords before posting too.

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Fraser M | 18 November 2010 - 5:37pm

I HAVE YET TO FIND

this place in France where the ladies wear no pants.....

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Clownboy | 18 November 2010 - 6:46pm

when you do

could you give me a shout?

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James Blast | 18 November 2010 - 7:04pm

In France They Don't Kiss

on Main Street (or even Rue De Main).

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Badlands | 19 November 2010 - 1:28am

I've Been to Me, Charlene

and it was closed for repairs.

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Badlands | 19 November 2010 - 1:29am

I think

We have a winner.

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Mark Gould | 19 November 2010 - 11:00am

Heaven

is not a place on earth.

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another Iain | 19 November 2010 - 8:34pm

but...

it is a place where nothing ever happens

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James Blast | 20 November 2010 - 1:50am

Iron Maiden insisted

on their 1982 masterpiece, The Number of the Beast, that Charlotte the Harlot lived at 22 Accacia Avenue. I've always been too shy to knock.

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Prestonia | 21 November 2010 - 10:50am

Still trying to find

Costa Fine Town on Google maps, with little success.

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Uncle Mick | 23 November 2010 - 11:02pm

I went to Chatteris

I was disappointed to discover that, contrary to what Nigel Blackwell told me, I had to travel 10 miles to Ely to find a Chandler, when I'd been promised two fine ones right there in Chatteris. The cake shop was, however, first class.

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MickeyMo | 26 November 2010 - 12:04pm
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