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'Minor' Film Recommendations...Please!

Ahh_Bisto's picture

As I've gotten older I've become increasingly immune to the supposed pleasures of a lot of mainstream cinematic releases. I like some flash bang whallop and I'm not adverse to any genre but with 2 young kids I struggle to get out to the flicks as often as I used to and I find myself looking for something with a bit more depth and that lingers in the memory long after the credits roll.

Therefore I've reached a point where if I'm going to sit down for a couple of hours to watch a film I need it to engage me in a way that is subtle, not obtusely telegraphed and perhaps slightly off-beat. I've found that most films that seem to do this are those that are perhaps low-budget and independent. I don't want art for art's sake where there is endless navel gazing and a dearth of plot but I do want to be engaged as much by the characters as by the story-line.

Five examples of films in the last decade that push all the right buttons for me are:

Kenneth Lonergan's 'You Can Count On Me'
Thomas McCarthy's 'The Station Agent'
Andrey Zvyagintsev's 'The Return'
Joss Whedon's 'Serenity'
Scorcese's 'The Departed'

I've added the last one because that, for me, is an example of mainstream Hollywood getting it "right". I know it's a remake and is not really a "minor film" but it still qualifies because of its inherent quality. I mean if Mark Wahlberg can make me forget he's "Mark Wahlberg in a film" it must be doing something right. Right?

Any recommendations for this film-starved film fan?

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Office Space, written and

Office Space, written and directed by Mike Judge. Jennifer Aniston is in it, but don't let that put you off.

Anything by Paul Thomas Anderson, but if you're looking for something 'minor', then his Hard Eight starring John C Reilly. Gwyneth Paltrow is in it, but don't let that etc, etc.

Swingers, the Jon Favreau and Vince Vaughn movie it's ok to like.

Room For Romeo Brass, Shane Meadows' best film, with an amazing unhinged performance by Paddy Considine.

And a feature documentary, American Movie, about a trailer-trash amateur filmmaker, full of unforgettable characters.

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applesauce | 23 April 2009 - 1:12pm

office space is good

but bit of weak ending it's gone on office life though! and Room For Romeo Brass, is great.

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Chris G | 23 April 2009 - 1:19pm

WARNING

Punch-Drunk Love by P.T. Anderson is infected by Adam Sandler.

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Norwegian Blue | 23 April 2009 - 1:25pm

But don't let that

etc, etc...

(Seriously, if Sandler can't frak up a film then it must be bloody good!)

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applesauce | 23 April 2009 - 1:32pm

That scene with the car at the beginning

quickly made me forget Sandler was in it.

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 April 2009 - 1:53pm

Big thumbs up

for American Movie. Really good.

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Leedsboy | 23 April 2009 - 1:34pm

2 more thumbs up for American Movie...

... not least for the explanation of why the film-within-a-film, "Coven", is pronounced COE-ven, something like:

"Because Coven usually rhymes with Oven"
- What's wrong with that?
"There's nothing scary about an oven..."

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Metal Mickey | 23 April 2009 - 3:05pm

Thanks

Not seen Office Space or American Movie.

I've seen all of Meadows' films apart from his latest.

My wife and I love Swingers, though she has a thing for Vince Vaughan despite his weight fluctuations (which suits me fine, prone to porkdom that I am)

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 April 2009 - 1:43pm

Well I mentioned the surprisingly controversial 400 blows early

and at the risk of stirring up further conflict. We enjoyed Old Joy a year or so ago.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468526/
It's got bonnie prince billy/ willy oldham or whatever he's called this week. It's set in the pacific northwest and covers in minutes a 72 hour camping trip that two old but astranged friends make. It's got a off centtre feel and I'm sure people will say not much happens but it rang true about male friendship and soem ehart to it, like I say we enjoyed it.

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Chris G | 23 April 2009 - 1:17pm

Good List that

I would certainly add the TV series Firefly if you haven't see in it- it's a hoot.

Some of my recommendations:

The Visitor : Tom McCarthy
The Wackness: Jonathan Levine
Pretty Persuasion: Marcos Siega
Belleville Rendez-vous : Sylvain Chomet
Smart People: Noam Murro
Inventing The Abbotts : Pat O'Connor

Hope that helps.

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Stuart Graham | 23 April 2009 - 1:18pm

Yes it does

I've not seen any of those films. Will investigate further and report back....may take a while....

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 April 2009 - 1:45pm

Films I like

That kind of fit your thing. You may have seen them, they're not very obscure.

Grosse Point Blank - my favourite film of all time. John Cusack as a jaded assassin going to his high school reunion. Great dialogue, great story, performances, soundtrack everything.

Secretary. Yup, the film about an S&M relationship; but beautifully shot, beautifully written, actually kind of low key and sweet.

Amelie. I love this film, again beautiful to look at and a lovely well written story.

The Royal Tennenbaums. Fantastic story and acting, and a beautiful soundtrack.

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SimonL | 23 April 2009 - 1:21pm

If you like Amelie

you'll love Delicatessen. The French-Canadian film Leolo is recommended if you like your humour black.

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Norwegian Blue | 23 April 2009 - 1:29pm

Delicatessen

My most favouritest film of all time

...except, maybe, for Kind Hearts And Coronets

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stimpy | 23 April 2009 - 3:54pm

GPB

"I'm sorry if I fucked up your life.
It's not over yet."

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 April 2009 - 1:58pm

If you've not already seen it..

I highly recommend "The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind." I was initially put off by the presence of Jim Carrey but he's not playing a typical Jim Carrey character.

If you like that, you might also like "Being John Malkovich" and "Adaptation."

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Dr Yang | 23 April 2009 - 1:21pm

I'll second Eternal Sunshine

Michel Gondry's follow-up, The Science of Sleep is in a similar vein but a bit more oddball. It also has Charlotte Gainsbourg in it, which is always a plus.

I'd also recommend Alex Holdridge's In Search of a Midnight Kiss. It looks pretty arty and lo-fi (it's in black and white) but it's great - like a less stoner-friendly Clerks.

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Joe R | 23 April 2009 - 1:30pm

'Spotless' = Great film

Possibly the most accessible inaccessible film I've even seen.

If that makes sense

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 April 2009 - 1:46pm

Brick

by Rian Johnson is very good and very odd
and It´s a Free World by Ken Loach is fantastic

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On The Fence | 23 April 2009 - 1:23pm

A few from the noughties

Lantana - An australian film from a few years back. A sort of crime thriller, but basically about the relationships of various middle-aged couples going belly-up. Brilliant, but not a happy watch.

Before the Devil Knows You're Dead - Sidney Lumet. From las year I think. Lots of Hollywood luminaries but very un-Hollywood. Crime-thriller cum family tragedy. Awe-inspiringly depressing but genuinely great.

Juno - thought I'd hate it but genuinely touching and funny and not too 'quirky and whacky'. Absolutely brilliant performance from whoever it was who was Juno.

Open Range - Kevin Costner (gulp). I know it was a huge budgeted would-be blockbuster, I know it's directed by and stars the frankly unbearable, but hardly unknown, Kevin Costner. But this was a huge flop on release and noone seems to have heard of it. And is one of the best westerns made in years. Just wonderful in a classic hollywood western kind of way. Quite thought-provoking too.

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Madrid | 23 April 2009 - 1:30pm

Open Range

...I absolutely loved it. Greatest Western shootout ever !
Ellen Page is the girl in Juno and she´s excellent in Hard Candy also

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On The Fence | 23 April 2009 - 1:36pm

we need to talk about kevin

open range is an excellent film a western for grown ups, a minor classic and much over looked. Not sure why kevin costner gets picked on he's a lot less annoying that a lot of more prominent and praised stars.

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Chris G | 23 April 2009 - 2:31pm

Lantana:

Took a while to get going but I loved it.

Open Range I have on DVD and watch it at least once a year with my father. I'm Kev and he's Bob.

I'll try the other 2. Juno I consciously avoided until all the hoo-ha died down so I could watch it with no preconceptions. Unlike really great or really bad films, all reviews disappear from my memory eventually.

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 April 2009 - 1:49pm

Two word recommendation for

Two word recommendation for Before the Devil Knows You're Dead: Marisa Tomei.

Anyone who enjoyed her work in The Wrestler should seek this one out sharpish. 45 years old apparently! Who knew?

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applesauce | 23 April 2009 - 1:50pm

Let the Right One In

Best film I've seen in weeks. Subtitled as in Swedish but just excellent. Is a "vampire" film in the loosest sense of the word but don't let that put you off (if it otherwise would).

Or In the Loop - very funny but runs out of steam in the last act. Very high F-word count but first rate as a damning indictment of the spin culture on government.

Finally The Damned United - excellent film about Brian Clough and his 42 day tenure as manager of Leeds United in the early 1970s. Even the football phobic Mrs Diz enjoyed this one!

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Diz | 23 April 2009 - 1:33pm

YES!

Title notwithstanding, Let the Right One In was a VERY enjoyable film.

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Heathcliff Masala | 29 April 2009 - 6:46pm

Little Miss Sunshine & Raining Stones

Not sure this is 'unknown' enough but Little Miss Sunshine is a belter. Juno was great, this is better. Also, three quid in Sainsburys.

Going further back, someone mentioned Ken Loach - Raining Stones is brilliant.

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kb | 23 April 2009 - 1:51pm

Some recommendations

3 French films I would recommend

1. Tell No One - this is a great thriller, which will keep you guessing until the end.

2. I've Loved You So Long - Kristin Scott Thomas stands out in this drama about a woman released from prison and trying to reconnect with her sister.

3. Cache - slow moving but has a certain something to it

Some Non-French

1. Blindness - stars Julianne Moore...enough said.

2. The Band's Visit - an Israeli film about an Egyptian police band who get stuck in an Israeli town....trust me, its good.

3. Young @ Heart - a documentary about a septugenarian group of singers....you will get a lump in your throat...and hear versions of James Brown and Sonic Youth that you never thought you would hear.

There's plenty more but thats a good start

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David Sutherland | 23 April 2009 - 2:30pm

I've Loved You So Long

Another thumbs up for this. Kristen Scott Thomas is absolutely brilliant in it, saying that, the rest of the cast are excellent as well.
Watched the German film "The Wave" the other night, about a teacher who sets up a mini totalitarian regime in his classroom, to demonstrate how easy it is to slip into dictatorship. Very good.

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Andy Mackenzie | 23 April 2009 - 2:57pm

3 French films

I've seen all 3 of those.

Have you seen 'The Beat My Heart Skipped'?

Wonderful film.

Will try Blindness and The Band'd Visit

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 April 2009 - 3:08pm

Also recommend

The Boy in The Striped Pyjamas....watched it at the weekend, very moving film...I think I got something in my eye at the end.
Its a movie that should be shown in schools.

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David Sutherland | 23 April 2009 - 5:09pm

Once

Starring Glen Hansard of The Frames(AKA Outspan from The Committments) and Markéta Irglová.

A beautifully-observed intimate love story with some great music (the OST is well worth the cash).

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Fraser M | 23 April 2009 - 2:39pm

Great call

I watched this last week. Beautiful film, there's such warm chemistry between the leads, and almost exceptionally for a film about songwriters, the original songs are superb.

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Theo Zoffrok | 23 April 2009 - 2:57pm

Agreed

Wonderful film

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David Sutherland | 23 April 2009 - 3:05pm

Once

My wife chose that film a few weeks ago and it just mesmerised us from start to finish. From laugh out loud (the hoover) to movingly poignant (his dad's reaction to his new tape). We've not been so mutually transfixed by a love story since 'Before Sunrise'.

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 April 2009 - 3:11pm

I'll second that

Once is a superb film. Approached it with some trepidation as it met with such critical acclaim I thought it might not live up to expectations.

Wes Anderson has made some great stuff; my favourite is Rushmore but The Royal Tenembaums is great. His films are character based and have a great visual style and stand repeated viewings as there is usually something you missed the first time.

Also

The Fisher King
Dogma
Enemy Mine
I Capture The Castle
Big Night

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Adhoc Man | 23 April 2009 - 7:50pm

Big Night?

The Stanley Tucci film? Ah that's superb. Love it!

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SimonL | 23 April 2009 - 9:11pm

Not seen Big Night but I

Not seen Big Night but I really like Stanley Tucci. I bought Empire yesterday and read that he's in Peter Jackson's latest film The Lovely Bones playing a rather unpleasant character to say the least.

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Ahh_Bisto | 24 April 2009 - 9:38am

Lovely Bones?

He's THAT character? Ah.

I first saw him in a tv series Murder One playing the murderer. He was outstanding, a performance I've never forgotten.

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SimonL | 24 April 2009 - 10:00am

He's one of those

actors who I'll watch even if he's acting in a piece of fluff (e.g. The Core or The Devil Wears Prada).

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Ahh_Bisto | 24 April 2009 - 11:39am

An early Daniel Craig...

Check out Some Voices, from about 10 years ago. Craig plays a schizophrenic man recently released from a psychiatric hospital and trying to rebuild a life. Great performances from Craig, David Morrissey and Kelly MacDonald.

Then there's the completely forgotten Zero Effect, starring Bill Pullman as a brilliant private detective, who also happens to be a complete misfit, incapable of interacting with people, and who uses Ben Stiller as his representative in the real world. Very funny in places, smartly written, with Pullman and Stiller at their best, and the lovely Kim Dickens in a supporting role.

And here's one that's far from obscure, but is hardly ever talked about when appraising Robert De Niro: Midnight Run. It's the one where he plays a bounty hunter, trying to find Charles Grodin and bring him back to claim his prize, while protecting him from the mob. It's just a wonderful film, the last great thing De Niro did as far as I'm concerned. A great mismatched-buddy story, very funny in places, exciting in others, full of great character actors (Dennis Farina, Yaphet Kotto, John Ashton, Philip Baker Hall). Does anyone else love this movie?

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Theo Zoffrok | 23 April 2009 - 2:55pm

Some Voices

I've not seen that.

I think I've seen Zero Effect or I might be getting confused with another film that starred Jeff Goldblum. Hmm, feeling a bit vague on that one.

As for Midnight Run: "I've got 2 words for you: shut the f*** up!"

Charles Grodin cracks me up all the way through that film. The scene with the counterfeit bank notes. Deadpan delivery like no other. Priceless.

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 April 2009 - 3:14pm

Midnight Run

Fabulous. De Niro is excellent and Charles Grodin is simply brilliant. I love the bit where De Niro practices being Alonzo Mosely when he picks up his badge.

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Leedsboy | 23 April 2009 - 5:23pm

Agreed

Have you done the Litmus configuration?

He's doing the litmus configuration.

Those are good, these are bad.

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Beezer | 23 April 2009 - 10:30pm

They're making a mockery of my words, man.

For anyone who enjoyed the excellent American Movie, recommended earlier in this thread, can I also big up King of Kong? Its a documentary about two men competing to register the world record score on Donkey Kong and proves more compelling than many fictional films.

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QTron | 23 April 2009 - 2:58pm

You'll think I'm mad, but...

... check out "JCVD" starring Jean-Claude Van Damme as himself, a has-been action hero actor who gets involved in a Belgian post office heist. Very clever, very "indie" in attitude, very funny in parts, and you'll be surprised at how good an actor JCVD himself is...

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Metal Mickey | 23 April 2009 - 3:01pm

In Bruges

Not a big fan of yer man Colin Farrell but this was a great little film with some fantastic dialogue. Good appearance from Ralph Fiennes as a mobster,although he has obviously based his character on the performance by Ben Kingsley in Sexy Beast, and that was a good film too.

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Razor Boy | 23 April 2009 - 3:35pm

Agreed

In Bruges is great. Would also second the recommendation of Delicatessen further up the thread.

Heathers, as given away with The Observer a week or so back, is very good.

Spirited Away is excellent, but does it count as a small film? Same for Lives of Others.

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Red Umpire | 24 April 2009 - 7:20pm

A film that slipped by many....

...probably because of it's very low budget, was 'Primer'. It was made for about $8000, and has no special effects at all, which is unusual for a time-travel film. It's quite an unsettling film, but will set your mind into overdrive thinking 'what the hell'?

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doomah | 23 April 2009 - 4:24pm

Agreed!

Arguably, the greatest movie about the paradoxes inherent in time travel. You need to see it more than once!

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Grant | 23 April 2009 - 6:17pm

A similarly themed film...

...to 'Primer' is about to be released in early May. It's a Spanish film called 'Timecrimes' and it's high on my list of one's to watch. I've seen a few favourable reviews so expect it to be a half decent film.

Another excellent Spanish film of recent years is 'The Orphanage'. It's well worth checking out.

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doomah | 23 April 2009 - 4:28pm

The Orphanage

The most moving horror film I've ever seen. The Spanish seem to have reinvigorated the genre recently by investing it with the kind of pathos more associated with straight drama.

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 April 2009 - 4:37pm

Here's my five

Vincenzo Natali's Cube
Vincenzo Natali's Cypher
Florian von Donnersmarck's The Lives of Others
David Cronenberg's A History of Violence
Paul Thomas Anderson's There will be Blood

First two are wonderful sci-fi/horror headscratchers. The third is a very moving film set in 1980's East Germany. The Cronenberg pic is his most mainstream and very tense. There will Be Blood is Daniel Day Lewis doing his John Huston impression and very good it is too. Maybe a couple of those are not that minor.

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Charlie Gordon | 23 April 2009 - 4:53pm

And there's more...

Some more suggestions.

The Devil's Backbone - Directed by Guillermo Del Toro, similarly themed to Pan's Labyrinth

The Mist - Stephen King adaptation directed by Frank Darabont of The Shawshank Redemption fame. Beware of very bleak ending!

Son Of Rambow - wonderful British film directed by the guys who recently made the Hitchhiker's Guide movie, but don't let that put you off.

Gone Baby Gone - gritty thriller directed by first timer Ben Affleck. Yes, THAT Ben Affleck.

The Squid & The Whale - A few years old, but an acid-funny look at a family falling apart. Reminded me of my childhood, but I'll keep that for the therapist.

The Escapist - starring Brian Cox, which was enough for me but it's a damn good film too.

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doomah | 23 April 2009 - 5:18pm

The Devil's Backbone

I have that one on DVD. I bought it blind a few years ago but was not disappointed.

As for The Mist I found the ending so depressing; had me completely deflated. But I liked the claustrophobia of the setting in the supermarket.

Gone Baby Gone I watched and found quite harrowing.

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Ahh_Bisto | 23 April 2009 - 5:38pm

The Mist

I'm with you all the way on The Mist. The Supermarket stuff was very good, but that ending... Jeeezus, so bleak it ruined all the good stuff that had come before it.

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Andy Mackenzie | 23 April 2009 - 10:46pm

Off The Map

Set in New Mexico, about a family of ex-hippies living on the land and 'off the map' who one day get a visit from a tax inspector. The cast includes Jim True-Frost as the IRS agent with artistic talents, Sam Elliott as a depressed iconoclast, and the sublime Joan Allen as his wife, a radiant hippie-goddess of tolerance. I think Ms. Allen can do no wrong and I almost feel ashamed to upsell the movie on this point, but she does get her kit off momentarily. A gentle gem from 2003 directed by Campbell Scott..

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Bo Doogley | 23 April 2009 - 5:22pm

Of Time and the City

I watched this sort-of-documentary this morning and was moved almost to tears. Funny (there's gags in Latin!)and beautiful, I can't recommend it highly enough.

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matthew | 23 April 2009 - 8:21pm

Try a South African film

Try a South African film called 'Stander' directed by Bronwen Hughes. It's the true story of the youngest ever Captain in the Johannesburg police force (Andre Stander) who got bored and also sickened by apartheid. He became South Africa's most notorious bank robber - whilst still in service. It's an incredible and little known story. Google him and see for yourself and then seek out the DVD.

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biggaboy | 23 April 2009 - 8:38pm

Alexander Payne's...

...Election,About Schmidt,and Sideways.
Also The Castle and The Dish both by Rob Sitch,Alan Taylor's Palookaville,and Ghost World by Tery Zwigoff.

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alastairpurves | 23 April 2009 - 8:50pm

The Dish

I really enjoyed that film. The Aussies have a great way with humour.

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Ahh_Bisto | 24 April 2009 - 9:40am

Sideways

Love that film.

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David Sutherland | 24 April 2009 - 3:53pm

Nothing too recent in this list, but..

what does it matter? Will certainly agree with some recommendations above: Try "Cronos", more Mexican, and made by Del Toro well before The Devil's Backbone". PTA's films always have an interesting cast, at the very least - good music too.

"The Unbelievable Truth" - Hal Hartley. His others are a bit wackier("Amateur", "Henry Fool" etc).

Mixed bag - if not seen before, "Ghost World", or perhaps "Broken Flowers" and "Ghost Dog - the Way of the Samurai". "Jackie Brown" - Tarantino for grown-ups.

David Lynch's film for people who don't like his films - "The Straight Story". The only road movie featuring a sit-on mower...and it's positively charming.

The Counterfeiters - German, largely set in a concentration camp but not over-mythologised or glossed (as in "Schindler's List").

"Black Book" - Paul Verhoeven ,in Dutch (OK - pretty lurid though not Hollywood), the frantic double-crossing trust-no-one action in late WW2 Holland fits his style very well. "Soldier of Orange" had similar themes 20 years before.

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DLM | 23 April 2009 - 9:16pm

Thanks

I've seen Ghost World and Broken Flowers and enjoyed both but found they both lacked something, not sure what.

Not seen The Counterfeiters or Black Book.

The Straight Story was a great story. The scene that haunts me from that film is Sissy Spacek sitting at the window watching a child's ball roll into view and then the child come and collect it. A great example of the visual power of cinema to express emotion.

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Ahh_Bisto | 24 April 2009 - 9:45am

I just saw

..the Counterfeiters, and it thoroughly deserved its Oscar. Great central performance.

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On The Fence | 26 April 2009 - 5:51pm

"Drop Dead Fred" or "Guest

"Drop Dead Fred" or

"Guest House Paradiso"

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biggaboy | 23 April 2009 - 9:24pm

Only a mother could love those films

...Rik Mayall's mother.

I am a big fan of Rik Mayall but those films are dreadful. Which is puzzling because he is a true comedian, who never usually wastes a single moment.

When I was last in England, I saw him on the Paul O'Grady TV Show. He is introduced - audience claps - he appears from behind a curtain, taking the applause - then he zips up his flies while nodding and grinning knowingly to camera, saying "oh yeah!". All in about 2 seconds. Wonderful.

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Austin | 24 April 2009 - 4:29am

Layer Cake and Brick

Layer Cake - Daniel Craig prior to Casino Royale in Matthew Vaughn's London gangster film. Don't worry. It's *not* Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels. It's a lot more interesting, stylish and has an excellent soundtrack to boot.

Brick - A film noir with snappy dialogue and an investigator hunting down his former girlfriend's killer. Except it's set in an American high school.

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oops | 23 April 2009 - 9:43pm

Layer Cake

Yes, I really enjoyed that film. Great story and terrific ending. It managed to retain all the essentials of a gangster flick without falling into the trap of being archly and smugly self-knowing

I've not seen Brick.

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Ahh_Bisto | 24 April 2009 - 9:56am

The Long Good Friday

Not subtle, no, and donkeys old now so holds little surprise but nonetheless it is aging very well.

Mirren holds the attention more than any other among the very strong cast as the faithful wife trying to contain Harold Shand's animal revenge instincts.

Made in a London just on the brink of the huge physical change into what it now is.

Excellent

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Beezer | 23 April 2009 - 10:37pm

The Bank Job

Normally, any sentence containing the words "British gangster movie" or "Jason Statham" would have me running for the hills - but The Bank Job is good. There I've said it.

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Sheev | 23 April 2009 - 11:01pm

Colour Me Kubrick

I saw this fine film at the Leeds film fest but have heard nothing of it since. It's got John Malkovich as some oddball loner who kept up the pretense that he was Stanley Kubrick for years. As Koobs (as I'm sure he'd have hated being called) was famously reclusive and had never been seen or photographed for years, few people doubted him and he enjoyed various trappings of his fake fame. It's a dead good British indie film which, unbelievably, also stars Jim Davidson playing a low-brow Northern celeb (rumoured to be Joe Longthorne) and, as much as I hate JD, he's actually pretty good in it. Check it out!

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MattyH | 23 April 2009 - 11:22pm

Sean Penn stars as the Director...

"The Indian Runner"
"The Crossing Guard"
"The Pledge"

All three are intelligent and engrossing.

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Blue Sky | 24 April 2009 - 5:25am

Thanks

I've only seen The Pledge. I loved Jack's performance in that film.

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Ahh_Bisto | 24 April 2009 - 9:52am

Two films that are better now than when they first came out

The Truman Show
Peter Weir film that looked like science fiction ten years ago now the premise would fit snuggly in any TV schedule.
WARNING! It stars Jim Carey! Well worth watching though.

The King of Comedy
Is a lesser known Martin Scorsese/Robert DeNiro film. It was panned when it first came out but seeing it now I realise the writer was frigging psychic! The script is fantastic. It now feels like a true story that never actually happened. It's got a blink and you'll miss it cameo by The Clash! It could hardly be more "Word" ANOTHER WARNING! This one stars Jerry Lewis! Despite his presence it's jaw-droppingly good.

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Cookieboy | 24 April 2009 - 9:10am

Seconded

I watched 'King of Comedy' recently - its portrayal of fame-obsessed, self-deluded comedy of embarrassment precedes David Brent, Alan Partridge, Big Brother etc by about 20 years. PG-rated, no swearing, the only gun on show is fake and it *seethes* with violence. FWIW, Mark Kermode thinks it's about De Niro's best performance.

Also worth mentioning Scorsese's 'After Hours'; I think it came out around the same time (early 80's?) as 'KoC', and has a similarly nightmarishly funny vibe.

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joyneski | 2 May 2009 - 5:04pm

Only two Aussie films mentioned so far??

Many recent(ish) Australian movies fit your needs beautifully. Only 'Lantana', and 'The Dish' have been mentioned but try some o fthe recent Australian Film Industry award winners and you won't be disappoointed. 'The Black Balloon', 'Somersault'. 'Look Both Ways', Proof', Japanese Story', 'Malcolm', 'The Interview', 'Kiss Or Kill', Romulus, My Father', Bliss', ;The Piano', 'Rabbit Proof Fence' have all deservedly won best film AFI gongs. Others worth investigating - 'Noise', 'Suburban Mayhem', 'Bad Boy Bubby', 'Alexandra's Project', 'The Home Song Stories', 'Little Fish', 'Spotswood', 'Death In Brunswick','Muriel's Wedding', 'Doing Time For Patsy Cline'. 'Love Serenade', 'Romper Stomper', 'The Boys', 'Kenny', Two Hands', 'The Castle', 'Cosi', 'The Year My Voice Broke', 'Flirting', 'Three Dollars', 'Australian Rules'...something to suit all moods, tastes and styles!

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kcgrady | 24 April 2009 - 10:00am

Another Aussie effort worth mentioning

is The Proposition - John Hillcoat. A grim, grim western. Not a classic, but pretty damn good. And did I mention that it's pretty grim? For any Nick Cave fans out there, he wrote it and did the music.

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Madrid | 24 April 2009 - 10:12am

Somersault

Brilliant movie, highly recommended - amazing lead performance by Abbie Cornish and a great soundtrack by Decoder Ring too!

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Metal Mickey | 24 April 2009 - 10:58am

Some great films there

I've seen quite a few of those; I'd like to mention two in particular: Japanese Story (lousy title, no?) is brilliant, with Toni Colette at her very considerable best, and a genuinely shocking plot development which changes the flavour of the film completely.

And Little Fish features Cate Blanchett in possibly her most low-profile role in years (in the UK at least - I dare say it was a big hit in Oz), back in her home territory playing a recovering druggie. Wonderful turns from Hugo Weaving and Sam Neill too.

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Theo Zoffrok | 24 April 2009 - 12:00pm

Jindabyne

That's good.

And I really love a film I saw recently from the 70s in which nature turns on a couple out camping in the bush. I can't remember what it was called though.

Don's Party - another excellent Aussie film.

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Five-Centres | 24 April 2009 - 2:17pm

Bleedin' Norah!

Is there an echo chamber embedded in this thread? (see my post below)

Do you recall if the Aussie film (whose name escapes us all) include a scene with a human being/HGV high impact "interface" that - in the interests of avoiding too much spoilage - may or may not have been at the end of the film or indeed that may or may not have occurred in that film but indeed in another film altogether albeit not the one with Kurt Russell and J. T Walsh (RIP) which did feature HGVs but did not feature them driving over someone at high speed on a highway although come to think of it that type of death did occur in another film which may have been one of The Omen sequels and it must have been one of the ways in which people were bumped off in Maximum Overdrive which was directed by Stephen King who wrote Pet Semetary a film that I know also featured the death of a child at the beginning by Highway HGV and which also reminds me of the death of Brad Pitt at the start of Meet Joe Black in which he was hit by more than one vehicle one of which may have been an HGV and was it the first Final Destination film that also had an HGV smash and grab of a character but possible the worst HGV death must have been the one in The Hitcher that involved ropes and stuff but I've just realised that I can't remember how Duel ends so I'll sing the theme song to Convoy instead?

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Ahh_Bisto | 24 April 2009 - 2:35pm

Yes it does involve that

and it's the shock ending that we now all know.

And i think it was called The Long Weekend.

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Five-Centres | 24 April 2009 - 2:44pm

That's the one!

I can relax.

My work is done.

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Ahh_Bisto | 24 April 2009 - 3:01pm

Funny Bones and Hear My Song

2 movies made in the '90's by Peter Chelsom.

Both set in modern times but dressed in the period atmosphere of the late '40's and '50's.

Hear My Song is a fiction around the late Irish tenor Josef Locke being tempted to return from tax exile to perform in a northern nightclub. Ned Beatty and (whisper it) James Nesbitt are a delight.

Funny Bones is dark comedy. Lee Evans plays a comedic savant, and illegitmate child of a mainstream American comedy legend played by Jerry Lewis. There is a pointless sub-plot revolving around a drug-smuggling mishap and Oliver Platt is excellent in another lead role. The auditions scene is priceless.

Both worth a look.

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Beezer | 24 April 2009 - 11:19am

Australian Film

All the talk of Aussie movies has reminded me of "The Last Wave".It's been years since I last saw it,probably back when the Beeb used to show good stuff in the 9.25pm slot on week nights.
I remember it as nicely creepy and unsettling.Haven't checked whether it's currently available on DVD but I would like to see it again.

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alastairpurves | 24 April 2009 - 11:26am

I remember The Last Wave.

I remember The Last Wave. Richard Chamberlain isn't it?

I recall the Beeb having Aussie film seasons showing stuff like this and Picnic at Hanging Rock, Gallipoli and something - as always - with Bryan Brown in it.

What was the Aussie film about the couple who go on a weekend camping trip only to find nature isn't very welcoming? I think it ended with one of them being run down by an HGV thinking they'd escaped.

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Ahh_Bisto | 24 April 2009 - 11:47am

Not sure about the Aussie film you mention but it brings to mind

"Breakdown" with Kurt Russell and the late J.T.Walsh.
Absolute cracker of a movie.
Very tense.

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Blue Sky | 24 April 2009 - 2:07pm

Spoilers Alert!

Well , No need to watch that one then?

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Stuart Graham | 24 April 2009 - 2:09pm

Oh soz....

But which one is it that I've spoiled?

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Ahh_Bisto | 24 April 2009 - 2:15pm

I see what you mean...

but it's more along the lines of the "fish out of water" scenario.
No death by HGV here!

Although if you were expecting death by HGV I have just spoiled it.

Edit:Ahhg....crossed posts. You didn't spoil anything Mr Bisto, Stuart was referring to my post.

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Blue Sky | 24 April 2009 - 2:22pm

No I was chastising Ahh_Bisto!

but in a very caring way, of course!

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Stuart Graham | 24 April 2009 - 2:46pm

Yes, sorry Stuart

We just needed your "Spoiler Alert" post to come in front of my "Breakdown" post and it would all make sense....sort of....goodnight.

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Blue Sky | 24 April 2009 - 3:01pm

Bagdad Cafe

Nothing to do with Iraq, but CCH Pounder running a mystical diner in the middle of the Arizona desert, with Marianne Sagebrecht as a dumped tourist who changes all their lives.

The Bad Seed - horrid little girl is responsible for many deaths. Or is she?

Blind Terror - Mia Farrow's family are murdered and she's the blind one alone in the house...

The Subject Was Roses - with a very young Martin Sheen

Days Of Wine and Roses - Jack Lemmon and Lee Remick are a nice couple who like a drink...

Across The Universe - I thought I'd hate this Beatles musical with it's clunky character names (Jude, Sadie, etc), but there was something about it that quite captivated me.

Dead Man's Shoes - another dark turn by Paddy Considine, who's also fantastic in In America.

London To Brighton - girls on the run from a nasty bit of work who of course catches up with them.

And then there's two of my favourites and the best rock films ever made That'll Be The Day and Stardust, both starring David Essex. Anyone thinking of joining a band and hoping to hit the big time should be made to watch these.

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Five-Centres | 24 April 2009 - 2:24pm

Come & See

Powerful and harrowing WW2 film. Russian film and set in the Belarus. It is quite hard going at times, but very good. Certainly stays with you long after its finished.

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Mint | 24 April 2009 - 6:39pm

You can say that again

Saw Come and See when I was a tender 16 and , although I have it on DVD haven´t been able to bring myself to watch it since. makes Shindler´s List look like Walt Disney.

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On The Fence | 26 April 2009 - 5:54pm

3rding

Come & See. Excellent piece of work. If we're on a war film tip It Happened Here is also very interesting. Set in England after the Nazi invasion it poses a lot of very harsh questions about collusion/collaboration.

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Dr.Pill | 30 April 2009 - 1:01am

I know you'll know

Jim Jarmusch - can be a bit hit and miss - but Ghost Dog is good.

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Sheev | 24 April 2009 - 7:23pm

Diva

another French film - Jean Jacques Beineix - great escapist stuff.

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Steerpike | 25 April 2009 - 12:05am

Try these for size...

"Jar City" - Icelandic thriller whose complex plot is both unusual and plausible.

"13 (Tzameti)" - Taut, tense French game-of-chance thriller, currently being *yawn* remade by Hollywood.

"Harry, He's Here To Help" - surreal, at times darkly funny tale of a put-upon family man and his chance encounter with an old school friend who proves himself more than willing to help him out in increasingly bizarre, extreme ways.

You mentioned "The Beat That My Heart Skipped" (which I agree is fantastic, though let's be honest, I'd happily watch Romain Duris in just about anything), but another French piano-themed thriller worth checking out is "The Page Turner", an elegant, icily-executed piece in which a young woman seeks revenge on the piano teacher who unthinkingly ruined her childhood dreams of pursuing a musical career.

"Lovers of the Arctic Circle" - a quirky, philosophical romance which I'm sure Michel Gondry must have seen before he made "Eternal Sunshine...". Though similarly-themed, it has a sharpness which may appeal if you find "Amelie" too cloying.

There's loads more which I've probably forgotten, but will report back if they spring to mind...

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graceunderpressure | 25 April 2009 - 1:45am

Swingers

This one had escaped me.

A filum that could easily be macho tosh about the courting process turns out to be life affirming , Shock!

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Stuart Graham | 25 April 2009 - 8:00am

The Assassination Of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford

I found this mesmerising , great performances from Casey Affleck and Brad Pitt and Nick Cave playing a bar-room busker towards the end.

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GunsOfBrixton | 25 April 2009 - 9:12am

it is a very good

film a nice sense of the isolation and space of america

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Chris G | 25 April 2009 - 3:30pm

Persepolis

I know that a largely black and white animated film about growing up during the Iranian revolution doesn't sound like a barrel of laughs, but it's great - give it a go.

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Eliz | 25 April 2009 - 2:34pm

I wouldn't like...

...to let a fellow cinephile go without, so here's a few more.

A Scanner Darkly (Rotoscoped Linklater Phil K. Dick adaptation)
Buffalo 66 (Vincent Gallo's indulgence)
Buffalo Soldiers (Joaquin Phoenix in MASH for the noughties)
Children Of Men (where's the kids gone, honey?)
Dark City (my home town!)
The Edukators (anti-Capitalist treatise disguised as kidnap movie)
Fallen (Denzel Washington messes with the devil)
Following (Christopher Nolan's first)
The Fountain (pre-Wrestler Aronovsky)
Frailty (Matthew McConaughey in decent film-shocker)
Identity (John Cusack loses it)
The Jacket (Adrien Brody loses it)
Pi (pre-Wrestler, pre-The Fountain, pre-anything Aronovsky)
The Prestige (another Bale-starring Nolan film)
Savior (Bosnia-set Oliver Stone produced movie. VERY good)
Stranger Than Fiction (Will Ferrell in good movie-shocker!)
Summer Of Sam (70's set, Moltisanti, er, I mean Imperioli scripted Son Of Sam flick)
Sunshine (pre-Slumdog Boyle)
Thank You For Smoking (pre-Dark Knight Eckhart/pre-Juno Reitman)

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doomah | 26 April 2009 - 8:52pm

Daniel Autieul

Pretty much any film with him in it is a good un..*

*warning: may contain French dialogue with subtitles.

Other top films... Dans Paris (French existentialism [no really] first 30 min annoying though), Elephant ( Gus van Sant's take on Columbine), Spun ( featuring a crazy crank dealing Mickey Rourke )

and as mentioned earlier Once and The Beat my Heart Skipped

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spinoza013 | 27 April 2009 - 1:16pm

Far too lazy

... to check if these had been suggested, but:

- Central Station: unlikely friendship between sour old lady and little kid in S America, very sweet film
- Y Tu Mama Tambien: two teenage boys on road trip with sexy older woman (played by the gorgeous Maribel Verdu). Lovely, funny film, sombre ending that adds a sharp counterpoint to the preceding events
- A Very Long Engagement: a sort of "Amelie Part Deux" (very roughly speaking). By the same director I think (Jeunet?), lovely gentle romance with a slightly surreal undertow
- Black Cat, White Cat: basically a caper movie transplanted to Serbia and set among the gypsies. Very funny, life-affirming, chaotically alive, makes you feel slightly drunk after watching
- Snakes On A Plane: a moving, bittersweet experience; almost unbearably poignant, finely-nuanced perfomances and.. oh ok, I'm sorry. I'll be off then.

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man.of.soup | 27 April 2009 - 8:04pm

'Box of Moonlight'. I've

'Box of Moonlight'. I've only spoken to one other person who's seen it, and I don't even know how readily available it is. Understated, rather wonderful, and very engaging (and it has Catherine Keener in it, which should be enough for anyone, quite frankly).

Coupe de Ville is pretty charming as well.

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legal_man | 27 April 2009 - 10:23pm

Does it involve

John Turturro and a lot of driving? If it's the same one I'm thinking about it was really good.

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spinoza013 | 28 April 2009 - 3:11pm

Another vote for Grosse Point Blank

But also:

Tampopo - "a Japanese Western for foodies"

Local Hero - charming

Land And Freedom - Ken Loach's story of a Liverpool lad in the Spanish Civil War

Crossroads - yes, it's got Ralph "Karate Kid" Macchio in it but the relationship between the young guitarist and the old Blues-man is well played and the Steve Vai guitar playing is superb.

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Baron Counterpane | 28 April 2009 - 2:09pm

Also from Juzo Itami...

... (writer-director of "Tampopo") I'd recommend "Minbo No Onna" (The Anti-Extortion Woman), a comedy that ridiculed the yakuza and which led them to persecute him to his death - an awful story if you want to look it up...

Also from Japan, "The Most Terrible Time In My Life" is a hip film noir spoof featuring a hardboiled detective, Maiku Hama (yes, Mike Hammer) who lives above a cinema... 2 sequels await if you like this first instalmant.

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Metal Mickey | 30 April 2009 - 9:32am

I could almost

taste the Noodles in 'Tampopo' - great film, but makes me salivate, as does 'Babette's Feast'!

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Badlands | 2 May 2009 - 6:49pm

The Great Jeff Bridges

Good in almost everything but 'Cutters Way' is absolutely fantastic and very few people have seen it.

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DavidC | 29 April 2009 - 12:43pm

good call

Fantastic movie I agree. Also I think Jeff Bridges is the most compelling actor of his generation.

No-one does dissolute charm better. No one does menace beneath the surface better and few have an equal screen presence.

Great line in the the above:

"I don't drink. You know, the routine grind drives me to drink. Tragedy, I take straight"

Source novel by Newton Thornburg is also brilliant - and darker yet.

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Sheev | 29 April 2009 - 12:51pm

Another mixed bag

of films I've personally enjoyed: some of these probably don't fit the original criteria.

"Days of Glory/Indigenes" - North Africans in the Free French army help to liberate "La Patrie" in 1944/5 (with all the contradictions that implies). Marketed to English-speaking audiences purely as a war film but rather more to it than that. Unusually, this helped to do something in the real world - after its release surviving veterans got the military pension they'd been previously denied.

"Days of Heaven" Mainstream but quality, 1950s in setting and realisation, Julianne Moore stars (always worth seeing for her acting,in my opinion). Perhaps would appeal to "Mad Men" fans?

"Tony Takitani" - Japanese, a high quirkiness count(the only film adaptation of any Haruki Murakami story). Gorgeous piano-based soundtrack by Ryuichi Sakamoto. Conventional plot it hasn't got but beautifully atmospheric.

Many Pedro Almodovar films are worth a look, and there are certainly plenty to choose from. Plotlines and characters can be distinctly wacky.

For fans of slow-burners on a large scale (box-set ahoy), Edgar Reitz's "Zweite Heimat" - more film than TV series. You need to be able to tolerate subtitled German, mixed b&w/colour, some seriousness, classical and 60s avant-garde music... and 26 hours of viewing. Not everybody's cup of tea by any means, but a big personal favourite of mine.

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DLM | 29 April 2009 - 2:36pm

Together by Lukas Moodyson

You forget about the Swedish and the subtitles from the off. Would rate as my all-time favourite film. Funny, sad, thought-provoking ....and, though it may sound like faint praise, please trust me: the BEST use of an Abba song in cinematic history.

All the films I recognise from the above list are well worth your time, but I jump up and down like an ADD-afflicted swot in a classroom, desperate to please teacher, wanting to scream that The Answer to your question is this film. Find it!

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Vorgongod | 2 May 2009 - 2:55pm

Nice review

Just bought the DVD as a result.

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Fraser Lewry | 2 May 2009 - 3:00pm

together

you won't regret it!

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Vorgongod | 3 May 2009 - 4:13pm

Dune - NOT the David Lynch Travesty

But the Anglo-Russian made for TV version - Excellent!

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Badlands | 2 May 2009 - 6:50pm

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

Robert Downey Jnr is brilliant in this.


I know, I know its got Val Kilmer as well but he is honestly terrific in it too.

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Andy Lynes | 3 May 2009 - 4:58pm

what the hell was going on in that film..?

might require rewatch

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spinoza013 | 4 May 2009 - 9:48pm

Not sure if these have been mentioned...

even though I've just gone through this thread - so many great films mentioned.

Anyway, some personal favourites of mine.

- Battle Royale: Big Brother meets a Japanese game show on a desert island
- Mystery Train: still my favourite Jim Jarmusch film - disparate stories all connected by the same hotel in Memphis
- Clerks: too well known? Kevin Smith's debut set in a local drugstore
- Spanking The Monkey: David O Russell's early movie from mid-90s about a dubious mother/daughter relationship
- Door In The Floor: Jeff Bridges - say no more
- Miami Blues: 1990 cop movie starring Alec Baldwin and JJ Leigh - very funny and black
- Harold & Maude: possibly one of my favourite films ever - mid 70s classic that's too often overlooked, about the relationship between a 70-year-old woman and a teenage boy
- Tadpole: coming of age movie starring Sigourney Weaver and the other Caulkin brother

Hope that might give you a few ideas.

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robram | 4 May 2009 - 10:14pm

This just in...

...this very weekend I watched an absolute jem of a movie that fits the minor movie tag. "Wilbur Wants to Kill Himself ". Started watching it on the strength of the title and loved it. Story of two lonely brothers struggling with a shabby bookshop in Edinburgh. Wilbur , the younger of the two is depressed...ah well, you can guess the rest. It´s comic, dark, charming and moving and features great performances from the cast and Julia Davis steals every scene she´s in.

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