Miaow, looks like the cats got the Cream!
Posted by DogFacedBoy on 6 November 2008 - 10:05pm.
Jack Bruce finally speaks out over Led Zep reunion
"Fuck off, Zeppelin, you're crap. You've always been crap and you'll never be anything else. The worst thing is that people believe the crap that they're sold. Cream is 10 times the band that Led Zeppelin is."
http://www.nme.com/news/led-zeppelin/40867
is this a sign of 2nd childhood creeping in? Or did Pagey nick his girlfriend at a party in 1967? Is there any history between the two?
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Sour cream?
Quite funny though. Today Steve Wright played Communication Breakdown on Radio 2 (oldies slot) and it stuck out like a very radical sore thumb (in a good way). Personally I've always thought Mr Clapton was far too po-faced to be a pop star and not quite warm enough to be a singer-songwriter.
Mind you, I do like Layla.
Sour grapes with that sour cream?
Blimey... Album tracks
on daytime radio? Whatever next!
a retraction, of sorts...
http://www.planetrock.co.uk/Article.asp?id=971444&spid=11484
Jimmy Page vs Eric Clapton
Eric Clapton wrote Wonderful Tonight.
Jimmy Page didn't.
I think that settles it.
*THAT* could be taken two ways...
*THAT* could be taken two ways...
To clarify
Wonderful Tonight is startlingly, grotesquely, unforgivably naff. Jimmy Page would never stoop that low.
That might e the case...
but it *was* written from the heart. As Macca once said "What's wrong with silly love songs?"
Perhaps...
...he should stop writing from the heart then. Tears in Heaven was even worse.
erm
D'yer Maker
Alternativeliwise
Jimmy Page is wont to play a Les Paul with a violin bow.
Eric Clapton sticks with the standard plectrum.
They have two completely different guitar styles
Page plays as though his guitar has been hilariously superglued to his groin and he is desperately trying to shift it, Clapton plays as though his guitar stinks to high heaven and he can't stand the smell.
What?
I can see where you're coming from with Page but I don't understand your Clapton comment.
Could you find a YouTube clip that illustrates the point you're making?
I'm rubbish at links
But I think these links might illustrate my point.
"Is something off in here?"
Spot on!
I'll be giggling about that for days.
And Page starred in..
The Song Remains The Same which is even more Spinal Tap than even Spinal Tap could manage!! On the other hand he played the greatest guitar solo of all time on 'Since I've Been Loving You'!
For what it's worth
I think Eric Clapton is harshly judged.He is in my view a much better guitarist than Jimmy Page.Witness the Derek and the Dominoes album as a fine example and the bonus disc of 461 Ocean Boulevard which includes some exquisite blues stuff. The revisionists have possibly coloured their opinions because of some ill-judged racist comments (if that is what they were) and a period in the late eighties when he became very MOR orientated.
This however doesnt or shouldnt diminish his prowess as a guitarist.
Having said all of that Jeff Beck is better than both of them.
Wasn't the Derek album mythically famously played by
Gregg and Duane Allman cos Eric was smacked up to his eyeballs?
Or is that another urban myth
Greg Allman?
I've never heard anything about Greg playing on the Layla album. Can't see much in the way of musical evidence for Greg's presence.
Peter Green anyday
Peter Green is better than EC, Jimmy Page or Jeff Beck - I should know, I'm listening to the new 4 CD box set as I write this.
Even BB King said so - so there......
Well
BB King holds all four aces in this particular competition me thinks. Until Blind Blake turns up with a royal flush that is.
Guitar solos are really boring
I don’t really like guitar solos very much. Obviously I like lots of records that have guitar solos in them, but I never listen to the sort of music where the guitar solo is the centrepiece of the song. Which is probably why the only record I’ve got, as far as I know, with either Jimmy Page or Eric Clapton playing on it is this, which JP plays on.
Bitchy spats between pop stars are great though and should be encouraged.
Clapton
Claptons drug addled racist diatribe from the stage in Birmingham anyone?
I don't think Page has done anything similar, so he gets my vote.
If you read what he said...
...I'm not sure it counts as a 'diatribe'
diatribe or not
it was racist.
Do you remember...
...exactly what he said?
oft quoted
along the lines of 'keep them out', several unrepeatable names, 'don't let Britain become a black colony' etc.
With the greatest of respect...
...don't throw phrases like 'diatribe' around if you don't know exactly what was said that night.
If this is correct...
.. it sounds like a diatribe to me.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
I was a student in Birmingham at the time Clapton said these things and the recounting in the article pretty much accords with my memory.
Yep
That's a diatribe, whatever way you look at it.
yup
I'd agree. Diatribe it is.
Cripes
What a ****.
Jimmy Page
Just because of all that SWEAT at the Olympics. Ah just remembered he played whislt Leona Lewis warbled. Eric it is then.
Dickie Betts
Better than all of them.
Have I wandered into Sounds circa 1973?
Will it come to best rock drummer: John Bonham, Keith Moon, Carl Palmer,Ian Paice or Karen Carpenter? Honestly. I'm shocked.
But, while I can't forgive Clapton for writing "Wonderful Tonight" he was responsible for two of the best concerts I've ever seen in 1978 even though he didn't perform at either of them. Full details here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/apr/20/popandrock.race
Naaaaaaaaaaaaah...
If it's 1973 then it must be Bill Bruford
and much as I consider myself a JP man,
EC at Blackbushe knocked my socks off. Mind you, we had been smoking for around 36 hours by then.....
I was listening to the bootleg of Blackbushe yesterday
He was rather good, wasn't he? Brilliant raw singing too.
Bowie, Clapton and Costello. Spot the odd one out
All three, while extremely refreshed, made stupid racisr comments 30 years ago. Two have been forgiven and the incidents forgotten. Why not Clapton?
Maybe because
Not only has he never apologised "Sorry, I was out of my brain" but, as it says in the article I posted a link to, he has made similar remarks now that he is, presumably, sober, as in this quote from the article:
While David Bowie had distanced himself from his pro-Nazi remarks, Clapton has not only never apologised for his outburst, but has continued to praise Powell; only last December on The South Bank Show he reiterated his support for the man and four years ago he told Uncut magazine that Powell had been 'outrageously brave'
Wasn't he?
Powell was outrageously brave, wasn't he? He made a speech that he fervently believed in - however misguided those beliefs may have been is immaterial to that statement - because he knew full well that it would consign him to the back benches for the rest of his career, having previously widely been considered to be a Cabinet shoo-in, and perhaps even PM material. How many politicians are prepared to bin their ambition like that to maintain their personal integrity? (I happen to think Powell was a brilliant fool, but my views are neither here nor there, which is where Clapton's should be - I'm about as interested in musicians' politics as I am in Blair's rock past or Clinton's sax playing. Not - as the little bald bloke from Middlesbrough said - a lot.)
As for Bowie and Costello's apologies, Ron Atkinson apologised too, but a fat lot of good it did him, didn't it? I was just struck by the rather arbitrary nature of the forgive-and-forget mechanisms at work in our culture, hence my question.
A friend of mine...
...was once arguing over Clapton with another friend, who is a fan. The Beatles were playing in the background. Friend number one said "it's not like he could play something as good as this", motioning to the stereo.
The song playing at the time? "While My Guitar Gently Weeps".
Clapton has had his moments, but just not enought memorable songs of his own. I'm in the Page camp on this one.
Led Zeppelin
Don't really have many songs where the guitar solo is the centrepiece in my experience - 'Since I've Been Loving You' is one of course, and a very good one. 'Stairway to Heaven' isn't really typical is it? They have many more styles - psychedelic pop, folk, for example. A lot of their appeal is that it's not all about the guitar. They are a heavy rock band for those who don't necessarily like a lot of heavy rock I would say.
Cream seem quite dated on the other hand and comparatively limited and narrow - rather of their time. Clapton seems to me to have done his best stuff when working with top collaborators - eg 'Badge' with George Harrison, 'While My Guitar..', 'Layla'. I bought the live 'EC Was Here' recently in the hope that there would be exciting soloing but I find it a tad boring I have to say. I don't know who is the better player - Page or Clapton. It doesn't matter much to me anyway, it's all about the records. Jack Bruce is clearly talking nonsense - is he bitter that Led Zeppelin are generally rated much higher in rock history? Sounds like he might be.
Clapton
I think lots of the live stuff and probably studio stuff has been hindered by colossal alcohol and drug intake, after reading his rather dull AA informed biography...I have tried to give Clapton loads of listens as I think that sometimes in his recent career his playing is fantastic, but it seems to be rare and not caught on any solo records...Cream have dated badly, without retaining any charm...I happen to think Led Zep are overrated, but they are rated so highly that anyone would find it hard to live up to.
I blame the management...
I imagine Jack would be slightly less bitter if he was sitting on a considerable pile of back royalties and had national treasure status instead of being stuck on a table with Fish and Phil Manzanera at the Classic Rock awards..
The concept...
...of the old boy going all teenage with some 'my group's better than your group' rant is the funniest thing I've heard all week. Although I have to point out, having seen footage of both reunion gigs, that at least Zeppelin did it standing up.
Standing up
Were they worried about the risk of pregnancy?
As opposed to...
...sitting down