Entertainment For Lively Minds
McNulty - from Eton College to Baltimore and other shockers.
Watching the recent re-runs of The Wire on BBC2 I'm still reeling from finding out that McNulty, well actor Dominic West at least, is an ex-Etonian.
As one that has to daily fight their way through the dopey penguin suited Boris Johnson lookalikes in Eton I find this remarkable. What an amazing tour-de-force of acting from West, I have not been to Baltimore but I would have sworn that he had actually been raised man and boy on their mean streets.
I read that Justin Adams also went to the college, from Eton to playing with Robert Plant and Juldeh Camara, that's pretty cool.
However, when I was younger I remember feeling very disappointed to discover that Joe Strummer was actually the son of a diplomat and not the working class hero that I had expected.
Are there any other examples where you have discovered an unexpected reality behind a musician and/or actor's public image?
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You know...
That Stringer Bell & Mayor Carcetti are also from the UK?
The Mayor is actually from...
....Ireland, isn't he?
Yes
That's me getting my UK and my British Isles confused. Again.
I was getting confused
but Clarke Peters only lives in london
Dublin Irish Shrink in Stunning American Series Shock Horror
Sorry to go off on a tangent right away, but my biggest accent surprise has been the actor Gabriel Byrne. IN TREATMENT, which I'm currently devouring on DVD box set, is the latest success story for HBO. Gabriel Byrne, Dublin actor with a perfectly fine American accent in many Hollywood films, has reverted to an incredibly thick Irish brogue for his leading role in IN TREATMENT (for which he won last year's Golden Globe for Best Actor in a TV drama). It's an interesting choice on someone's part and frees the actor's brain up for much more subtle work.
And what work it is! Why has WORD not alerted us to this phenomenon? I humbly beg all WIRE addicts to get on board now. I ordered my box set from the US Amazon; no UK network has picked up the series. I find this incomprehensible. The acting and scripts are even sharper than the Wire. Yes! And (a new departure) the violence is all verbal! It takes place almost entirely in a shrink's office (Gabe being said shrink). Each episode is only 30 minutes long and represents an analytical session. The same patients show up at the same times on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. On Friday, Gabe goes to his own shrink (Diane Wiest) as he's "losing patience with his patients". If that sounds undramatic, believe me, it isn't. I can't remember being so hooked by a series and I'm an old Sopranos die hard.
Sorry for the tangent, Retro Guy... please resume normal service.
Football - it's not rocket science. Except at West Ham.
I think this just about fits into the topic of unexpected backgrounds.
West Ham can just about claim to have had two rocket scientists playing for them in recent years - almost at the same time:
Shaka Hislop - goalkeeper - degree in Mechanical Engineering, ex-intern at NASA.
Iain Dowie - degree in Engineering - ex-employee of British Aerospace.
Barry Horne ex Everton and
Barry Horne ex Everton and Huddersfield town is also a rocket scientist (literally) and has a PHD. He currently teaches in a private school, beat that anyone?
Re: your Strummer point
I was in a band - well, sort of - see "imaginary bands thread -
with an angry young man who wrote lots of lyrics along these lines -
I'm so bored with a life I hate
living my life on this sink estate
Frankly, the only estate he got near was his father's when he went shooting there. He is a QC now
On a related point we would have to disown quite a lot of our record collections if we were to only allow those from under-privileged backgrounds. Out would go Jagger, Gram Parsons, Nick Drake, The Doors, Floyd - amongst others. We would also need to ask the credentials (street branch) of a certain editor of this parish
I don't hold anyone's education against them
Nor should anyone else.
It's only rock stars who go to hilarious lengths to pretend they went to Bash Street.
And isn't it funny that we congratulate Dominic West on being street enough to play Baltimore-Irish but don't congratulate the hundreds of actors who came from very modest backgrounds and ended up playing the toffest of toffs?
Quite
- or possibly quate
apparently Keane
aren't silver spoon chewing kent born wwii sound mirror faced minor royality but actually rough tough lovelble cockernee sparra mudlarks !
Hang on a sec
..Danny La Rue was a MAN !! , from my hometown of Cork !!. Well, I never
Also found out that the boffin from the original Knight Rider, Devon I think his name was, was also from Cork
Gosh
Revelation ahoy, so public schools contain a mix of humanity. That's a turn up. Next you'll tell me that kids from comps go to university!
No, that's not my point at all.
I wasn't starting a class war thread, more about someone's public persona or character being very different from the reality.
Dueling Retro's! What is going on here?
Sorry to butt in but reading through the thread gave me the strangest feeling that I'd stumbled onto a weird nexus of the internet where someone calling himself "Cookieman" was going to jump out and argue with me.
Eventually if course I would find out Cookieman was a future version of myself.
I'm the neglected evil twin...
turned up out of the blue after years in the wilderness to usurp the far more eloquent and witty Retropath 2!
Nah, blame that user name amnesty thing, I've already changed my name once.
No, really, Bro', I was joshing
You don't have to tug that forelock any more, we're, um, equ, um, equals.
All equals together, that's right.
ceteris paribus
which would have been a great to quite good in the sense of not bad name for a prog band
anyway what happened to Retropath 1?
We are not singular
I knew that really
but us toffs get very sensitive on occasion.
The pretend image of many a person in real life, let alone showbiz, is always remarkable to me, quite often coming across families where siblings have completely re-invented themselves away from the family norm, both up and down the social scale, with adoption and affectation of accents to cement their preferred rung on the ladder of others perceptions. Britains most famous Brummy (at least in B'ham, where he is world famous) had little or no accent at school, I am told.
go on enlighten us
Britain's most famous brummy? Timothy Spald, mathew Boulton, john cadbury I fear I'm not close.
Only those that live here or work here
would know. Regular on Radio WM and on BBC Midland today.
I've seen him about he's the king
of salt earth history, seems to get rolled out when they need the voice from street. last seen on something about mendlesohn I think. (quoted a huge chunk of dickens seemingly from memory which was impressive)
Timothy Spall as Barry in Auf Weidersehen Pet
after falling in love with that brilliant series I was amazed to find out later that Timothy Spall is from South London.
I could not take him seriously in other non-Brummie roles for years after, even if he was doing Shakespeare I could just hear him talking about the West Bromwich and District building society in that great accent!
Sorry...
pressed the button twice...
Terry Thomas
is a good example of someone from a modest background to playing the role of the Toff to perfection.
Is it me?
Or is McNulty the least convincing performance in The Wire? Something just not quite right about his portrayal.
McNulty
I think once I knew he was English I couldn't help focusing on his accent and becoming critical of it. If I hadn't known, I would have had no problem accepting it as a Baltimore accent (or generic American accent).
I really would never have guessed
he was English, and it doesn't detract from me enjoying The Wire at all - can't say the same about House though. I just cannot watch that at all due to Hugh Laurie's awful American accent.
Stringer Bell English too eh? Wouldn't have guessed that one either.
It's not the Englishness
it's the not very good actorness!
post-hoc?