Marmite Artists

Discussing Radiohead this weekend, we decided that they are a bit of a Marmite band - its a love or hate thing. Thinking on some more, there are probably more appropriate bands and artists who are a bit Marmite.

So who are your personal Marmite bands - you either love them but people near and dear to you (whose opinion you respect) despise them, or you hate them but they are revered by a large numbers of sane people.

Has to be the whole pantheon of folk(rock)

From Fairport and the Albions, especially anything melodeon based like Morris On (and endless progeny thereof), thru' to Watersons and Carthys, off piste stuff like Malicorne and Alain Stivell, all the scots, Gaughan, McNeill, Battlefields and Wolfestone, most of the irish, Planxty, Chieftains, the list is endless, but my enjoyment is largely solitary.
Am I surrounded by savages?
Those who remind me of a smelly black deposit continue to be those who have endeared themselves, incomprehensibly to me, to many on this site, and my prejudices are only too well known to recite ad infinitum. However, let me, I think for the first time, say how much I can't stand that Seth lakeman and his whiny horrid voice. Don't much like Spiers and Boden/Bellowhead either.Or Steeleye Span, bogglingly enough, at least after the fabulous first 3 albums and the subsequent loss of Carthy and Hutchings.
Consistent? I can't be arsed.
Bet that surprises you.

Retropath2 | 20 May 2008 - 11:06am

I suspect...

...Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart will figure highly here. Have lots of Zappa's albums and they get pretty regular plays; Beefheart I like but tend to play less often ('Safe As Milk' gets lots of plays, though). I could see how both are a very acquired taste.

Scott Walker's output seems to similarly divide people, especially 'Tilt'. To be frank, I don't know what to make of that one myself yet!

The Grateful Dead might be the ultimate; you either are a devout fan or you're not, there seems to be little middle ground.

To be quite honest, I suspect a lot of the music I love comes under this category as well but in some ways, it's better to provoke an extreme reaction than bland acceptance, relating to David's comment on the new podcast about whether anyone would feel excited by the possibility of the new Coldplay album. Like Oasis or James Blunt, these seem to be acts that a whole nation buys the new albums of, but you can't move in boot sales/second hand stores after about a year since their release for copies of these albums.

JJ | 20 May 2008 - 11:25am

It so happens

that Billy Bragg was telling us at his recent gig in Gateshead that he reckoned he ought to be sponsored by Marmite, cos you either love him or hate him. "Be honest", he said to the assembled masses, "what was the reaction from your mates when you said you were coming to see me tonight..."

Steve Riddle | 20 May 2008 - 11:48am

Singing

I think it often comes down to voices which are an acquired taste like Mister Thom (who many would would like to say goodnight to forever - see what I did there?)or Neil Young or Dylan. Personally, I often like a an unusual, not conventially musical voice more than it's opposite kind. But Elvis Costello's whine is one that I can't warm to nor Billy Bragg's unpleasant bark.

Sven | 20 May 2008 - 12:19pm

Billy's songs are so good though,

that I simply imagine myself hurtling along the North Circular in a white van, shouting the lyrics to my mate, who is slouched in the passenger seat recovering from a 10 pint snakebite bender and a knee trembler with a girl from the Brentford branch of Aldi, and has his Converses jammed up against the windscreen.

Put into context, it's the voice of angels.

Vulpes Vulpes | 20 May 2008 - 12:59pm

Class war

You should write a novel. Or at least a short story and publish it here. Your visions of the scum/working classes has me stroking my middle class chin in delight while I sneer.

LOUDspeaker | 20 May 2008 - 2:39pm

I love

Billy Bragg. He writes brilliant observational songs and has a great sense of humour.

Vulpes Vulpes | 20 May 2008 - 3:44pm

The Fall

The Fall tend to polarise opinions. Oddly enough, they polarize my own opinion - there are times when I love them and times when I can't stand them. Elvis Costello also, to some extent. Does anyone else have regular "mood swings" towards a particular artist?

Stephen G | 20 May 2008 - 12:26pm

Oasis and Radiohead

Some days I can't decide which I'd rather see stranded without a vehicle in Kazakhstan.

Vulpes Vulpes | 20 May 2008 - 1:03pm

Stranded

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. OASIS!

smurphy | 21 May 2008 - 12:52pm

Roy Harper

Someone whose music I love dearly, but all past girlfriends and MrsP just can't stand him. Although at his gigs there never seems to be a shortage of females, so maybe I'm just unucky.

CarlP | 20 May 2008 - 12:31pm

The Beatles

are a band that all my good, music listening friends seem to worship that I really do not like. I don't actually mind the some of the music, it's more the whole "thing" that surrounds them that really winds me. They played good pop music, lets get over it!

Bob Dylan is another I don't like - and Sven hit it on the head for me - his voice. Really really grates on my ears!

Elton John and Robbie Williams - my Mrs loves these two, if it comes on I leave the house. Elton - it's his voice Robbie - erm well it's Robbie!!

But it does work both ways -

Tom Waits - I really like a lot of his stuff I only have 1 friend who likes him. Everyone else hates his voice - regardless of which style he does.

System of a Down - just too heavy for my friends

Seasick Steve and Son of Dave don't go down well with my friends either - they don't mind BB King style blues but strip it this far back and they hate the whole sound!

bluez maverick | 20 May 2008 - 12:49pm

My Wife Hates the Beatles

and she is the first person I have met who does. You'd have thought Macca was responsible for WWII for the sheer level of loathing.

Whereas I pretty much love everything they've done.

We both love Marmite of course.....

Leedsboy | 20 May 2008 - 2:22pm

i quite like marmite

it's quite pleasant on occasion.

badartdog | 20 May 2008 - 1:04pm

vegemite

is better

Sven | 20 May 2008 - 1:30pm

You...

you...you....heretic!

spikeyboy | 20 May 2008 - 8:34pm

Well...

So you QUITE like Marmite, do you?

Well, that's made a bollocks of this whole column then, hasn't it?

Quite like Marmite, indeed...

Stephen Hanley | 20 May 2008 - 8:04pm

Jazz

...the instrumental kind, that is, seems to polarise opinions. Those who detest it suggest that: (a) it sounds like a bunch of musicians, each in a separate room, unable to hear any of the others, playing completely different and unrelated tunes; and, (b) they start off playing a nice recognisable tune for 30 seconds, then just head off in random directions for the next 10 minutes, before finally remembering what tune they started with, and briefly reprising it. To all of which the jazz afficionado responds "yes, terrific, isn't it?".

Paul Vincent | 20 May 2008 - 2:08pm

ELP were Marmite

as far as I am concerned - thick brown gooey stuff that smells unpleasant. Is that Marmite or something else??
Others are definitely Queen, Oasis, The Smiths (just didnt get them at all), Status Quo, Any of the poodle permed big hair groups coming out of the USA in the 80's and Television. Marquee Moon was a one hit album that got hyped beyond all reason - actually Nirvana come to think of it - great even classic opening to Smells like Teen Spirit but what else was there?

Steve Turner | 20 May 2008 - 4:35pm

The Tull

I've announced my Tull affections before in this forum....needless to say the vast majority of people I know, even ones who are major music fans, can't get on with them. I do understand it. You have to be able to take on board long, fairly complex themes and arrangements, tolerate lengthy guitar solos and flute tooting, plus not mind them looking rather bizarre and singing about stuff which is generally a long way from I'm pissed off/I love him/her. Actually, thinking about it, there is a reasonable amount of "I'm pissed off". Mind you, those who do get it, get it big time.

(** hums riff from "Thick as a brick" defiantly**)

p.s. I played "Mother goose" in a pub in St. Albans last night. Ha!

Twangothan | 20 May 2008 - 6:19pm

Agreed on Tull...

...but as posted elsewhere a while back, I love them and have most of their albums. See what I mean about most of the acts I'm particularly fond of dividing listeners?

I think it's a good thing; one could not dub Tull (or indeed, ELP and Queen) bland. Have to say I'll never get 'A Passion Play' though, which is in itself a musical Marmite as that album divides even Tull fans!

JJ | 20 May 2008 - 6:25pm

PP

I never had it as I'd heard it back in the day and it didn't do much for me. So last year I bought in on CD, just to see. Guess what.....it did nothing for me! But as we've said before, I much prefer a band who are brilliant due to trying hard and being ambitious who occasionally spectacularly fuck up rather than hiring the latest producer, complete with MacBook of "beats" to make their album for them.

Twangothan | 20 May 2008 - 7:36pm

As much as I love...

...the early ELP albums, I'll concede they are another band that seriously divide opinion. Even amongst progressive rock fans this lot really divide the board- you either love them or hate them.

Queen are another one, agreed, as this site has a fair amount of people that hate them (though I've been a fan for years).

I'm not entirely sure hair metal is a marmite genre; I don't know that anyone would admit to loving it in the first place, as like so-called 'nu metal', it seems almost accepted that it was crap (though I bet there'd be someone on this site that enjoys it, as it's a very broad church here and is all the better for it)! In my days of collecting various facets of metal I ended up with Poison, Motley Crue and Warrant albums, which were simply ghastly. About the only one I found to have the odd passable tune was Cinderella, who probably had the worst name!

JJ | 20 May 2008 - 6:20pm

Disagree with you JJ

....yes no-one will agree to liking 'hair metal' now but back in the day I had loads of friends who liked Boston,REO Speedwagon,Styx and the later version of Chicago to name just a few.I disliked them then and loathe them now.
Current Marmite for me is Loudon Wainwright - I dont have any friends who like but I think he is a genius. Then you have his son who is revered by many but who I think is complete garbage. Thank god loudon had a daughter is all I can say.

Steve Turner | 20 May 2008 - 8:06pm

Ahem

Actually I like "More than a feeling" and "Don't look back". FM rock at it's best. I liked their first album at the time in its entirety but haven't heard it for donkey's and can't even remember the tracks. T'others you mention I agree tho.

Twangothan | 21 May 2008 - 6:13pm

Celine Dion

Mariah Carey, Scooch, Steps.... the list is endless.

My wife loves them all (with the exception of Mariah Carey). Me? I've agreed to forbear comment - and leave the room when she plays her music.

spikeyboy | 20 May 2008 - 8:37pm

Spikeyboy...

Save yourself and your soul - divorce now while you've still got a chance !!

Er, come to think of it, that would be the basis for the end of most marriages on this planet, including my own. Why do some people have such s**t taste in music? Is it their upbringing ? Why are Girls Aloud on this planet ? I think we should be told...

martin1959 | 20 May 2008 - 8:56pm

White Stripes...

...as far as I could see, one track with a quite good riff and... erm... that's it.

Never bought into to the saviours of rock level of adulation. Couldn't see it meself!

Besides, no bass player? I mean! Come on!

Trevor_Raggatt | 20 May 2008 - 10:27pm

White Stripes

I was talking to someone about them and an interesting nugget of information was squeezed out: we both adore the first album we heard but the rest of their music does nothing for us. If I remember right he loves their first album, while I love White Blood Cells. I can hear the quality in the other albums, I like them and everything, but I never listen to them and get annoyed when they come up on random on my iPod. I'm about two songs away from clicking yes on the "Skip When Shuffling" box in iTunes.

Does anyone else feel the same about their albums?

LOUDspeaker | 21 May 2008 - 10:27am

Try listening to Icky Thump

There's a couple of places on there where they suddenly stray into traditional English folk.

spikeyboy | 22 May 2008 - 7:21am

Nice point and well made!

I have tried to listen but it is screechy claptrap. Especially their abomination of "Jolene"..... I ask you!

Retropath2 | 21 May 2008 - 7:33am

Her Indoors

My wife dislikes "all that boring indie crap and out of fashion 70´s rock " of mine. Still what do you expect when you marry a 21-year old swimsuit model.

On The Fence | 21 May 2008 - 10:52am

Memo: look up OTF's bio.

21 now or when you married her (10 years ago)?

Retropath2 | 21 May 2008 - 11:06am

Girls V Boys

Well, it has to be the marmite daddies of them all - Tindersticks. Gloomy, doomy, whiskey etc etc. I love the sticks but am truly the only human I know who can stand them.

see also

1 NicK Cave - seems to be an aquired taste
2 The (Mighty) Fall
3 The Pastels
4 My heroes, The WEDDING PRESENT!!!!

smurphy | 21 May 2008 - 12:55pm

I like the Tindersticks and

I like the Tindersticks and so does my wife so there are at least three of us! Steely Dan divide opinion as does Bruce Springsteen, I happen to like them but plenty of people do not.

woodface | 21 May 2008 - 1:49pm

Fourthed.........

Another 'sticks fan. Never met another person who liked them, and judging by the amount of solo giggers I saw when I watched them live, i'm not alone.

Steve Hill | 21 May 2008 - 2:20pm

My wife likes

Tindersticks version of If Your Looking For A Way Out. But that is absolutely the exception that proves the rule.

Leedsboy | 21 May 2008 - 2:23pm

Tindersticks

I bought the one with the donkey on the cover. Played it twice. I still like the donkey.

Vulpes Vulpes | 21 May 2008 - 7:19pm

Talking of

The Wedding Present - any idea where (apart from Ebay for stupid prices) I can get hold of a CD of their Ukranian album? I had the LP, but it died through over-playing...

spikeyboy | 22 May 2008 - 7:22am

Uncertain as to that particular template....

but try www.the-ukrainians.com as that experiment morphed into a full blown and still going concern, massive in, um, the Ukraine and around Leeds.
I recommend either Kultura, my introduction, or Istoriya, a good greatest "hits", for stentorian vocals, massed balalaikas and the hardest indie bass and drums, when indie meant tough rather than fey.
And any band with a leader called Len Liggins just has to be legendary, as is his epithet.......

Retropath2 | 22 May 2008 - 7:33am

Surprised no-one's mentioned...

... the Northerner Who Must Not Be Named*. There's precious few sat on the fence where he's concerned. My ex came out in hives at the very mention of his name. The fateful day when she found herself unwittingly singing along to one of his songs on the radio was very nearly the end of her!

*(or has that all passed under the bridge now?)

Cadabra | 22 May 2008 - 4:58pm

He should not have all this publicity.

I am dangerously close to including him in the "Blind Spot" strand, having only very recently "got" the Smiths.

Retropath2 | 22 May 2008 - 2:00pm

Off goes the radio!

I just can't stand Kate Rusby. I simply can't understand how anyone can (and I'm understanding enough to allow people to "get" Radiohead - if they must). Yet if if her name comes up and I profer my opinion I get blank looks as though there must be something wrong with me.

JohnW | 24 May 2008 - 9:39am

There is, John,

there is.
(All views are entirely those of the correspondent and do not necessarily reflect etc etc)
;-)

Retropath2 | 24 May 2008 - 10:04am

What do you mean, you dont like Kate Rusby??

What's not to like about her? Great singer with great material. I guess if you dont like her it is really girl folk singers in general you dont like? She surely isn't as difficult to like as Radiohead?

Steve Turner | 24 May 2008 - 9:18pm

Precisely defined

I've clearly accurately identified a Marmite artist! There's obviously no point in entering into any sort of discussion on the subject. For me, Kate Rusby is a immediate "radio off" artist (I'm normally fine with female folk singers - I think it's the ones that sing in some bizarre olde worlde dialect that I have a problem with) whereas I can usually handle Radiohead until the whining starts (often up to a minute!).

I should add that I really like Marmite and can't really understand what's not to like about it!

JohnW | 26 May 2008 - 4:06pm

The people of Barnsley

...will doubtless be amused to hear theirs described as a "bizarre olde worlde dialect", since that's the dialect in which Ms. Rusby talks, sings, and was raised. Perhaps she'd be better adopting that musical Esperanto - the anonymous mid-Atlantic twang?

Paul Vincent | 26 May 2008 - 11:34pm

Ugh

Radiohead
Joy Division
The Smiths
Nirvana

You get the idea.

kinkywolfgang | 26 May 2008 - 4:07pm