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Mandolin! - advice please

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My 12 year old son would like to spend his newspaper round tips on a Mandolin.
He is, as they say, an absolute beginner, on a limited budget.
I'd be grateful for any advice.
Many thanks!

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How wonderful!

What's made him go for a mandolin in particular?

(Wish I could offer some actual advice but sadly I'm a mandolin-idiot)

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Hannah | 17 December 2010 - 7:51pm

Afraid I know nothing either

but might be worth looking at a Womandolin. It's like a mandolin but smaller, lighter but very difficult to master.

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Axekeith | 17 December 2010 - 8:11pm

Smaller than a mandolin?...

..I can hardly make chords on mine as it is!

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shane pacey | 17 December 2010 - 10:46pm

Tell him to be very careful indeed

or else he'll cut his fingers. I prefer to use a food processor, it's less risky. :)

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Vulpes Vulpes | 17 December 2010 - 8:02pm

Fab

I play a bit but also play in a duo with a bloke who is a good player. I think Ozark are generally considered to be good entry level ones. Body wise there are loosely two types - F style which have a scroll on the top and usually appear in bluegrass, and A series which are more folky, though obviously you can play either on either. The bowl backed ones are really orchestral and not usually used for folky stuff.

My sister in law just bought a nice one on eBay for 120 quid.

What's his budget looking like? Small I imagine.

Thomann have them at all prices:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/search_dir.html?sw=mandolin&pg=3&oa=prd

but for a limited budget you'd be better looking second hand. Usual rules apply - check for cracks, whether the action is OK (the distance from the strings to the finger board). Solid wood construction will sound better than laminated wood for the body.

Something like this might be good:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ozark-European-Mandolin-All-Solid-Wood-Superb-Valu...

if you are near enough to try before you buy.

they are great fun and quite addictive.

This is web home for mando players of all levels

http://www.mandolincafe.com/

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Twangothan | 17 December 2010 - 8:43pm

They're terrific fun.

Being a cellist, I've always fancied a mandocello, but I've tinkered about plenty of times on a mandolin and been able to get a lot of fun out of it.

I'd say that £80-90 is a reasonable price point to aim for. Aria do a fairly nice little entry-level range starting about there.

One thing: there are 4-string mandos available, without the doubled strings. Don't do it! Get an 8-string, which is the proper sound, despite being more work to tune. Oh, and remember it's tuned in 5ths (G-D-A-E from bottom string up), like a violin.

Apart from that, Twang covered it nicely.

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Bob | 17 December 2010 - 8:26pm

Ooooooh

I have a soft spot for cellos*. And cellists, to be frank*. Beautiful instrument.

*(and violet creams, guys in glasses, and guys who know the names of constellations**)

**Sir Patrick Moore = phwoooore!

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Hannah | 17 December 2010 - 10:28pm

Julian Lloyd-Webber.

You're only human, Hannah. Get in line. Orderly queue, ladies.

Oooh, actually....

Fixed:

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Bob | 17 December 2010 - 10:59pm

I'VE CHANGED MY MIND!

Oh god, that's HILARIOUS, I have real life achy sides from laughing.

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Hannah | 17 December 2010 - 11:43pm

Stagg

I have a Stagg M50E it is an acoustic electric so you have the flexibility of sound. Not bad for around £75 and it looks nice. I have found the mandolin quite difficult to sound musical and feel I could do with some lessons. I can knock out something that sounds like a folk reel by belting out some chords but actually playing songs quite difficult, even for something like Norwegian Wood which should suit the instrument well. I have taught myself the ukulele over the last few years and found that much easier. I think the mandolin needs a fair bit of perseverance. For a beginner's instrument I wouldn't worry about solid woods and the sound too much, playability is important which is why it is best to go a shop and try a few. How does it feel to play a few chords? Does one need model need more pressure on the fingerboard than another? Is strumming hard work? Playability is something that can only be defined by the individual but it can make the difference between taking up the instrument seriously or leaving it on a shelf.

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drneil | 17 December 2010 - 8:45pm

Not a Great Idea

He's be far, far, far better off with a six stringer.

The mandolins use in popular music is pretty much limited to The Battle of Evermore and Losing My Religion. Once he's knocked off those - and they're both very simple, being played by guitarists who both know roughly 3 chords on the mandolin - he'll be bored shitless with it.

With a guitar he can make an altered tuning on the bottom four strings and stick on a capo and he's pretty much got a mandolin anyway. Albeit one other people can actually hear.

The other advantage to a six string will be his ability to play every crowd friendly party song ever written. No-one ever got a woman through their mandolin ability. Even semi-competent guitar playing will make him a very popular young man.

Get the boy a proper instrument. A guitar.

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goatboyuk69 | 17 December 2010 - 9:07pm

Far be it from me to carp, but....

Saying that, "The mandolins use in popular music is pretty much limited..." merely suggests to me that your working definition of 'popular music' is a little too narrow.

In bluegrass circles the mandolin is basically the equal of the guitar and banjo. Well, maybe not the banjo.

(ducks as the banjo players reach for their keyboards - only joking guys!)

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Vulpes Vulpes | 18 December 2010 - 10:09am

Can't remember who said it,

but my favourite banjo quote refers to its "heroic lack of sustain"...

No need to duck on my account BTW, Foxy - I'm a guitarist :-)

And your "too narrow" point was what I thought but was too lazy to type.

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nigelthebald | 18 December 2010 - 10:20am

Yes

I bow to noone in my love for the guitar. But the mandolin, in the right context, is fabulous, whether chopping in the bluegrass context where it takes the place of the drums, soloing at high speed, or adding high level shimmer over a few guitars. It is entirely complementary to the guitar, not a competitor or an inferior being.

All is contained here - listen to that chopping driving the whole thing along. Jeeze these guys are good. Sam Bush sounds so 2nd rate at 1.48', doenst he. Not.

Or here's Tom Petty doing the layering thing

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Twangothan | 18 December 2010 - 2:09pm

I do so agree

When I was asked to choose a musical Christmas present at a similar age I chose a mandolin because it had the same GDAE tuning as the violin which was my only previous reference point in music from music lessons.

However, it was difficult to play in tune because of the floating bridge and high frets and fretting the notes was like pressing down on cheesewire and about as pleasurable. Never have the words "played it till my fingers bled" been so appropriate.

And playing tremelo is essential (but boring) because, like any short-scale instrument, the sustain is so short. And as goatboy says there's only a few chords which are easy to play, the rest sound indistinct unless you have very small nimble fingers.

I soon wished I had asked for a guitar like my sister and 'borrowed' her guitar, a classical guitar. Its nylon strings were absolute bliss after the 'cheesewire' ones of the mandolin.

Even now with about six guitars I still hanker after a nice classical guitar.

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bassclef (not verified) | 18 December 2010 - 10:40am

Some particularly memorable opening lyrics..

I have a mandolin.
I play it all night long.
It makes me want to kill myself.

'!00,000 Fireflies' by Magnetic Fields

Make of that what you will.

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daddyorchipsblog | 17 December 2010 - 9:42pm

WHAT A SONG.

I love the Magnetic Fields, and I love 100,000 Fireflies more than anything else they did. It's gorgeous.

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Bob | 17 December 2010 - 9:56pm

Yay!

They really should have done more with that lady singer. That said, I reckon Charm Of The Highway Strip is probably my overall fave.

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daddyorchipsblog | 17 December 2010 - 10:49pm

Come Up And See Me by Cockney Rebel sounds great on mandolin

and is very easy to play. I had a friend who used to work in a music shop and who let me try out various mandolins when I was thinking of getting one, and with the aid of a mandolin chord book I was able to teach myself the song fairly quickly what with it only being 4 chords. However I had severe difficulty progressing beyond this to more elaborate tunes - not least Losing My Religion which may be the seminal mando song (Stonehenge by Spinal Tap excluded of course) So I stuck to my uke.

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Ricardo | 17 December 2010 - 10:41pm

a good starter model..

Is this one

http://www.djmmusic.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=ML-002

I got it for my niece as she was also interested in learning to play. Like most things, you get what you pay for. But for about 50 quid it sounds good and plays nicely. Perfect for a first timer especially if he is unsure he will stick with playing it :)

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Frisky Dingo | 18 December 2010 - 4:14am

My wife has an Ozark -

good starter mandolin. Better to go for an arch-top mandolin with round sound hole rather than f-holes, to start with.

In terms of music/tutors, you could do a lot worse than to get hold of (British Player) Simon Mayor's books/CDs/DVDs. Lots of interesting links on his website too.

If you think the instrument is limited - listen to Chris Thile: -

or

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Badlands | 18 December 2010 - 3:35pm
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