Mamma Mia - rarely have I felt so alone.......
As I trailed on a recent blog, Mrs Diz persuaded me to go to see Mamma Mia at the cinema last weekend.
This may apall the uber-cool, but I will confess to liking a fair number of Abba songs - much of their output was well written and produced, had a good tune and was pretty catchy stuff. And as a teenager what wasn't to like about Agnetha on TOTP (ahem)?
I went along therefore expecting a terrible "chickflick" film and much rolling of eyes for an hour and a half. To my surprise it was pretty well done, Meryl Streep was great and in places it was quite funny. So I was passing a pleasant enough evening......until we got to the end.
For those who haven't seen the film the story ends and it winds up with the cast romping through a couple of numbers, on stage as it were and in Abba costume. Waterloo was one I recall. That was ok. It was when the credits rolled that I was in trouble.
Playing over the credits was Thank You For The Music. The cinema audience probably had a majority female bias who rather than packing up and leaving then started singing along - not with any great gusto, just singing along. By this time I was squirming with embarrassment and couldn't wait to get out. But no. I was trapped. To the end.
For the avoidance of doubt I was not singing.
Come on. Share if you dare. Have you seen it and did the same happen?
Or where have you felt alone the crowd?
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I have nothing against Abba..
...but everything I have read about this film leads me to strongly suspect that I would hate it. Anthony Lane's review in "The New Yorker" contains the line "The legal definition of torture has been much aired in recent years, and I take “Mamma Mia!” to be a useful contribution to that debate."
I think it's one of those things that cuts to the very quick of the snob in every man. It's because I like Abba that the last thing in the world I ever wish to hear is a bunch of actors - or even regular folks - belting their songs out.
We saw friends the other day who had been to see it. She was enthusiastic on the basis that it "was just good pop music". He sat there recalling every inch of the agony and, had he dared speak, the adjective he would have taken most exception to is the word "just".
Deep inside every man is the idea that there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything, whether it's order a pint of Guinness or sing "The Name Of The Game", and it's this crucial, crippling insistence that movies like "Mamma Mia" ride rough-shod over.
Thanks for correcting my title!
Whoever at Word Towers it was. Mr DH?
Ooh, he's a right stickler, that Mr H is
He has difficulties with "Hughie Green", true, but Italo-Swedish is one of his fjortes.
Speaking as a music fan...
I really hate musicals...! On screen or stage I just can't be doing with them at all.
Films about music, no problem, love them to bits but just the thought of someone like Meryl Streep speaking dialogue and then suddenly bursting into "SOS" just freaks me out.
Is this some kind of musical snobbery?
I share your pain
If it is musical snobbery then I'm a sufferer too. My wife took me to see Les Miserables once. It was a great story, but they kept bloody singing. Give me the theatre any day!
The pros and cons
Pros:
1. Decent pop tunes
Cons:
1. Pierce Brosnan's in it.
2. Pierce Brosnan sings in it.
3. Julie Walters plays an eccentric limey in it.
4. Over-privileged Anglo-American arses cavort in picturesque Aegean locations (in other words, it's just like a Hercule Poirot flick but, as I undestand it, without the incentive of trying to guess which over-privileged Anglo-American arse is going to get horribly murdered next).
No, I don't think I'll be taking a chance on that. A potential DVD + strong spliff job, perhaps, but only if Hellboy 2 hasn't come out by then.
Seen it
Mrs H and I went a couple of Saturdays ago. It was packed and our screening was definitely a more mature audience, ready to be entertained. Everyone had a whale of a time and applauded at the end. There are moments where the flat-out silliness of it all just wins you over (Pierce Brosnan – see Archie's comments above – leading everyone into "I Do I Do I Do I Do I Do" at the end is just fantastically daft). I don’t remember whether everyone sang along with "Thank You For The Music", all I could hear was people saying how much they’d enjoyed it, which surely is the whole point. Mrs H is going again tonight.
I've read some really sniffy reviews of it but Mark Kermode has it about right.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/videos/kermode_reviews.shtml
What I can't understand is anyone wanting to buy the soundtrack album when it’s being displayed on the shelves next to "Abba Gold". I accepted the actors singing the songs as being a necessary evil and some of them were pretty good, but I wouldn't rush to hear them do it again.
Have I got this right...
The basic premise is that Sophie has no idea who her father is because her mum was such an old slapper that she was shagging three blokes at the same time (although not all at once)? What a lovely, heart warming story - a veritable feast of family fun.
Don't know about the film, but...
... the stage show certainly casts a spell of some sort. Every year without fail, my cousin (normally a perfectly sensible lady of a certain age) insists on going to see it on her birthday, and seems to enjoy it more each time. I actually don't know anyone who's seen it who doesn't love it, but on the basis that it's the original "show that you walk into humming the tunes", one imagines that most punters have made up their minds in advance either way, and if you really hate Abba or musicals, you'd be rather unlucky to find yourself in the theatre in the first place...
'Tonight's The Night'
Oh, christ, I'd blocked the name of that effort from my mind until dredging it up to reply to this.
'Tonight's The Night' was the short lived musical based on the songs of Rod Stewart, and was Ben Elton's follow-up to the still running 'We Will Rock You'. Somehow, fate conspired to award me and my partner of the time with a pair of tickets. I have never ever been more embarrassed for a group of performers in my life - they were great at what they did, but you could see on their faces that they knew just how awful it was.
It was written with clunking inevitability - hello, female character called Baby Jane! - although all the way through to the end they didn't manage to crowbar in 'Sailing'. Oh, hang on. It's the climactic wedding scene and someone runs in 'Rod Stewart has lent us his yacht to go on honeymoon with!' 'WE ARE SAILING!'
Mercifully, it ended after that, and we made to leave - but NO! The cast burst in from the rear doors and stopped people leaving, and cajoled everyone into standing up and dancing as they sang a 10 minute medley of all the songs from the show.
They never did get round to that Danny Whitten show did they?
Slumping in the aisles de rigeur, I'd imagine.
Sounds absolutley hideous
You poor bloke. ABBA and Meryl Streep. I need a brown paper bag.........
Actually I've warmed to Meryl Streep
I couldn't stand her in her teeth grindingly worthy days with a new accent for every occasion. But in recent years she has been rather good.
And she can actually sing as she also demonstrated in that film with Garrison Keilor which I can't remember the name of.
Good call
Wasn't she in The Hours? She was Ok in that too. It was the accent thing that did it for me too. And she was horrible to Dustin Hoffman in Kramer vs Kramer.
Guinness?
Whatever about ABBA, what's all this about a right and wrong way to order a pint of Guinness? I know that there's a right and wrong way to pour it, but to order it?
As for feeling alone, I had the same sensation at an Adele gig in May. Full to the rafters with girls waiting to hear (and sing along with) Chasing Pavements. Which meant that for the hour that preceded it, they talked and talked and talked. And then they talked some more. God knows what I was doing there..
oh john...
the correct way to order a Guinness is at the start of the round. Nothing shows a lack of consideration for the barkeep than to say "three gin and tonics, pint of lager, two bottles of Corona, packet of Prawn cocktail and, oh, could you stick on a pint of Guinness as well"
If you *start* with the Guinness, the barkeep can start to pull your pint and take the rest of the order. If he/she can manage it, they might even start to pour the pint of lager. The other drinks can be poured while the Guinness is settling.
Then you pay your money, possibly bring down a drink or two to the table and come back where the Guinness has been topped up.
It's a question of efficiency.
I love Abba
I don't mind musicals either, but Mamma Mia is strictly a mum-would-like-it affair
And chickflick is such a horrid term
If a film has a healthy dose of exploding cars, gunfire, screaming and tits, is that called a dick flick?
No but...
it is now.
Good idea
Let's think about it..
I think the term is
Hollywood blockbuster.
Oh don't
That's the last time I get all excited about a follow-up. Bloody Batman so-called Dark Knight. Saw the trailer a year or so ago and was almost holding my breath with excitement for the next few months. Went to see it Friday and was mightily disappointed despite that bit when the thingy upends and falls over (I won't spoil it for you). Same thing happened with Spiderman 3 - a load of wank. So now I'm ignoring the Transformers 2 and Watchmen trailers as not to get my hopes up too high.
Weekend was rescued by seeing Black Watch at The Barbican which was completely amazing, and without getting all heat spotted, I was sitting behind Vivienne Westwood too. Quite grim subject-wise, yet funny and may've benefitted from a burst of Summer Night City or Voulez Vous here and there.
I don't mind Abba
but you'd have to drag me screaming to see Mamma Mia on stage or in the cinema.
I just don't get musicals. I have tried several (including The Producers and The Lion King) and have always been left cold (and numb of arse) by all of them. I think its a combination of lack of familiarity with most of the songs (which won't include Mamma Mia but may explain the glut of these songs collected to become a musical) and the plain silliness that everyone stops speaking, an orchestra kicks in from no where and people then sing at each other with over the top emmotion.
And they're bloody expensive things as well (in the theatre anyway).
"Look at me now, will I ever learn?"
My discomfort at being unexpectedly caught in the middle of a mass sing-along masks an envy of people who are relaxed enough to belt out a public rendition of Fernando, or get down on the dance floor and throw shapes to something by the Scissor Sisters. I would join in as well, if a self-sabotaging, streak of narcissism wasn’t constantly reminding me that the end result is likely to be less John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever and more Neil Kinnock dancing at a Labour party conference.
Only in my campest, unicorn-strewn fantasies can I imagine myself as the girl with the golden hair, who can hold a room spellbound when she starts to sing. The bald truth is that I am a graceless, middle-aged man, with a metaphorical broom handle wedged a good way up my back passage and a singing voice like the plaintive bellow of a mortally injured wildebeest.
If my life really was a Musical, like Mamma Mia or We Will Rock You, by the final act I would have overcome these inhibitions. Unfortunately the closest I got to being a Musical today was this morning when I played part of a Ry Cooder album, while eating a yoghurt.
"The bald truth is that I am
"The bald truth is that I am a graceless, middle-aged man, with a metaphorical broom handle wedged a good way up my back passage and a singing voice like the plaintive bellow of a mortally injured wildebeest."
Either you're Simon Le Bon or you should consider him a role model and get up on that stage.
I love musicals
I don't find there's any more suspension of disbelief involved in one of the characters bursting into song than I do in watching the average pop video or some bloke on "Later" singing a song as if it's indicative of his personal feelings.
The musical comedy form in its broadest sense has been around for hundreds of years and will probably be around for hundreds more. The thing that would look really bizarre and anomalous to our ancestors is, well, Radiohead for instance.
But "Mamma Mia" isn't strictly a musical. It's what they call a "jukebox musical", essentially built as a vehicle for a load of hits. Interestingly, it has stealthily supplanted another activity that rock liked to flatter itself it had stamped out and that is the community sing-song.
We've already had
Sing-a-long-a Sound Of Music. This autumn sees Sing-a-long-a Abba and also Hairspray.
http://www.singalonga.net/
Soon be time for Sing-a-long-a Rolling Stones, Oasis, Slade or even Aerosmith methinks.
I have a plan with a friend
to create a musical based on The Human League. 'They headed to the disco/ and met a wonky haired man/ and soon Susan & Joanne/ were in on the plan' etc. It could be based on a rundown estate, near where there used to be some shops. Waitresses! BMW motorbikes! Dancing as if you're carrying heavy shopping! a narcotic that forges their union!
God, they were brilliant.
Not such a crazy idea
A lot of the Human League's songs were virtually little soap operas in themselves; I'm particularly thinking of Louise and Life On Your Own. It couldn't be any worse than Tonight's The Night (which, erm, I haven't actually seen, but I don't think I'm taking that big a punt).
The only Abba related musical I would go to see...
would be "SOS", the story of the stalker who ended up marrying Agnetha. Ben Elton, get with it - you've sold one ticket already.
Was that true?
Did she actually marry the stalker guy?
Apparently...
so. But it didn't last...
It would have been genius
if the stalker guy stood her up at the church after all that stalking.
and he went off with....
Frida.
Or...
Benny.
Quick...!
You got to get that turned into a musical, it's genius!
Great night out
Personally, I really liked it - I've seen it twice, although my beloved has seen it thrice. It's funny, well-acted, and set in beautiful locations. What else do you want on a miserable week night when Britain is collapsing around our ears?
As for the music - I don't mind Abba. Not a rabid fan but I don't dismiss them out of hand as "cheesy", whatever that is. Benny and Bjorn wrote pure, classic pop. No more, no less. If the point of pop music is to create a catchy tune that makes you feel good, then they're pop geniuses (genii? genia?).
My own favourites in the film: Lay All Your Love on Me, which is terrific and has a strangely tense bridge before the chorus that I'd forgotten, and Dancing Queen, a huge production number that is simply joyous. If you're not on a high by the end of it, you're probably dead.
One of my favourite bits of trivia
Until "Blue Monday" came along, "Lay All Your Love On Me" was the biggest selling 12" single of all time - fact!
SAYS IT ALL
I saw it with my wife and it ain't no 'Sound of Music' - let alone 'Chicago' or 'West Side Story'. What it does offer is songs everyone knows, which gives it that feelgood factor. Julie Walters sells the the sentiment of the film and will probably get an Oscar nomination in the supporting category.
My wife went back a week later with 2 gay guys to see it because they didn't fancy sitting a cinema audiece of women on their own!
The Rocky Horror Show
I was once invited to a stage performance of RHS and witnessed the ultimate in cringe inducing audience participation. There is something incredibly sad about seeing the husbands of the fat women in suspenders do the timewarp.
I defy any of the Word massive to find anything good to say about a show that is neither Rock nor Horror.
Hate it
properly. Just vile.
The Film is good...
I do like a challenge...
The audience participation bit of the stage show is crap, I agree, but the whole point of the show is that it is a parody, both of musicals and 1950s horror B movies.
The film version is great, Tim Curry and Charles Gray overact wonderfully, Meatloaf gets murdered (admit it, who hasn't hoped for that?) and it has a very young and sexy Susan Sarandon. What's not to like?
Even the hideously over-exposed "Timewarp" is just a piece of early 70s glam-rock, it could just as easily have been a hit for the Sweet or Mud. On the DVD there's an extra of Richard O'Brien doing an acoustic version which actually gives it a slightly sinister tone.
So - Rocky Horror defended and Word orthodoxy challenged...I'll get my coat (a catchphrase unlikely to be understood by anyone under 30 according to the esteemed publication)
Context is all
We should remember that the context of the original stage productions and film of The Rocky Horror Show was the Pre-Postmodern Ironico-Camp boom at its peak. Huh? I just mean when a lot of people's idea of an evening out was to hand out wire coat-hangers to all their mates before trooping off en masse to see Mommy Dearest for the forty-third time.
It may all seem rather strange to us now, but there wasn't any Facebook back then, see.
I was a little boy when it came out
so it's likely that I do not appreciate the irony or tongue in cheekness(?) of it originally.
I hated the whole concept in the mid/late 80's of people going to see it and coming into work the next day full of themselves in how outrageous they had been the night before by wearing stockings when and singing with the audience. They were, by and large, quite annoying people who were intent on climbing the greasy pole of supermarket retail management. They were a particular breed of person and, you can tell, my first career choice was not a fitting one. Am having cold, dark thoughts just recollecting.
This is, of course then multiplied by the fact that I can't stand musicals of any sort (and I have honestly tried).
Yes, they do tend to be the sort of people. . .
who encourage their supervisors to organise paintball fights for in-house bonding. And go to the Christmas party as Hilda Ogden and spend the rest of the year reminding everyone how they called the CEO "chuck".