A Live...Later
Posted by Riccardo Gargiulo on 25 March 2008 - 6:22pm.
just reading the new issue of the Radio Times to discover that Later is getting a 30min live show on Tuesdays at 10pm. Should be interesting.
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It won't be interesting.
There'll be a craggy legend
A sulky indie band with Fender Jags
A crappy soul band no one's ever heard of from NY
Some shite singer songwriter with a 12 string
More from the craggy legend
More shite from the NME darlings with the Jags
Jools plays Hammond with the crappy soul band ( and grins a lot )
A truly gut-churningly embarrassing 'interview' with the craggy legend ( 'so what's your favourite kind of pencil then?' )
Some godawful 'world' toss from Namimbia or somewhere ( with instruments carved out of dried rhino testicles )
And then the craggy legend again.
What's on ITV?
eddie g
For once I actually agree with you.
"Namimbia"
Where's that then?
P.s.
The NME darlings are stringently anti-Jags.
They buy a knitted instruments from the charity shops...along with some tweed jackets, quaint little china sets to drink there Nesquik and crushed uppers in (going against the grain, yeah) and some Kafka. They're trying to perfect a look that is fashioned by the english gentry, while maintaining the credentials of Keroac-esque excessive youths.
Speaking of charity shops...what is there fascination with Jerry Maguire? I think Cameron Crowe has planted one in every Oxfam across the country.
Absolutely...
...spot on!! It's the same damned show every week in recent years, I only watched it twice over the past few series- the one with Richard Thompson and Battles on it last year and the one earlier in the year with Radiohead on it. I look who is on it when it is on and I'm almost always disappointed. They often make vast claims about its diversity but it's the same kind of diversity (dull NME/'indie' band, a singer-songwriter, world music, non-insightful interview with film maker/'rock legend') every week!
This rehash of the format, to cynical types like me, looks suspiciously like the production team are aware it's in need of a shake-up. I think it should be pensioned off, to be honest, and replaced with something that's prepared to step outside the box a bit more.
Couldn't agree more...
and those are exactly the episodes I watched as well! If only RT and Radiohead could be on the same show, then I could free up an extra hour of my life!
I think all music TV shows have a limited life span, and 'Later' probably exceeded its own around 7 or 8 years ago. Trouble is, what do you do instead? Music on TV is always problematic, I think.
Too right
One of the best things about the fantastic Topfield 5800 PVR(recommended by Rob Alexander ages ago - ta muchly - essentially a Sky PLus box for Freeview) is you can easily skip through programmes - I can watch Later in less than 2 minutes in Toppy driven 30 second squints to see if anything is worth looking at. Sadly it rarely is. Eddie nailed this in one.
Liam and JJ
We should get together and chuck lettuces at the telly when stoopid Jools is on with his ridiculously over-rated programme.
Cheer up please.
I do hope I don't ever get stuck in a lift with you lot.
format
The format hasn't really changed anyway. It was always filmed "as live".. It just now gets a "premiere" showing of 30 minutes on tuesday nights at 10pm "live" (soon to be preceded by The Culture Show at 9pm) and then the same hour longish "repeat" on fridays after newsnight review.
Some of the confirmed guests for the first show are:
Adele
James Taylor
The Only Ones
Black Kids
Gnarls Barkley
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009r6cn
Namimbia is
next door to Zimmbabiwe. Doncha know aniffink??
( Sorry... I have a very sensitive keyboard...)
James Taylor and the Only Ones...
...delightful. Excuse me while I fackin top myself.
Anyone see the debut performances edition recently?
Some absolutely stunning performances featured in this compilation, some of which I remember from when they were first broadcast. Most notable was Portishead's TV bow doing Glory Box, which got me in a goose-pimple and holding-my-breath combo. Franz Ferdinand doing their one and only great song (it's all about that change of pace really, isn't it?). KT Tunstall's delightful building up of her own backing track, and sassy guitar playing. Mariza's spine-tingling charisma. We only fast-forwarded through one band, Foo Fighters.
Of course there's a lot wrong with later; yes, Jools Holland is the world's worst interviewer. But please, let's not caricature it as the home of all that is shite in televised music. As for your sneering dismissal of "world music", Eddie G, it's beneath contempt. Oh, and did you see Tinariwen?
thanks
my reply was going to be a lot more pithy and anglo saxon.
and not only is it not "the home of all that is shite in televised music" but really it's the ONLY music show on TV. It's been my first contact for a lot of new music. Oh and it's been going for 16 years so it must be doing SOMETHING right.
Me and mates...
Had quite a debate about this the other day. The vitriolic back and forth basically consisted of Mate 1 saying he was settling for the garbage provided by Jools just because it is the only programming with a music-based format. Mate 2 couldn't dispense any worthy alternatives, but he spat venom none the less. Claimed Mate 1 was allotting himself snugly in the student demographic that Mate 2 assumed 'Later...'' was aimed at. Suppose its target audience is those who subscribe to tokenistic eclecticism.
Want my two cence? It's all bollocks. Any show where Nick Cave is given free reign to lord it up, while a pandering group of badge-wearing circus seals provide the background noise isn't worth my lead-weighted time.
There's loads on
Actually there's loads of music on TV. I have a massive backlog of Beeb 4 and other excellent documentaries, retro snippets of days of old, new and old concerts etc. Later has had its good bits and plenty I didn't like but it is certainly not the only option.
Could you perhaps suggest
Could you perhaps suggest some more?
Whistle Test gets the same treatment
The same old Whispering Bob's jumper jokes, the same old sniping at Lynyrd Skynyrd and theyr ylk (hi, Mr D!), yet it was all there was for the best part of a decade. And it did what it did very well indeed. Where else could you see an 8-minute clip of Bruce Springsteen on UK telly in the 1970s?
The allegedly most damning finger pointed at Whistle Test is the claim that it was woefully slow on the uptake in Year Zero - yes, that old "out of touch with the real people" Burchillite chestnut - but in retrospect I think it judged the situation perfectly. (Did anybody who bitches about the OGWT actually watch Tony Wilson's So It Goes? It was excruciating - the format, Sir Anthony's achingly arch links, the sound quality. . . amateur hour all round). Rather than missing the boat, I think OGWT was just biding its time until the waters had calmed a bit and the wheat had been sorted from the chaff (er, it was soggy wheat). And, let's be honest here: how much unmissable now-and-happeningness did it actually miss? Would the world we really have been any better off if they'd given us a two-hour X-Ray Spex special in '77?
History is now repeating itself. Although nobody is kidding themselves that Jools Holland is the optimal presenter for a music show, bitching about Later... is looking a gift horse in the mouth. What else is there in this age when even Top of the Pops has died the death?
And...
whilst Jools Holland is always unfailingly nice about the acts that appear on the show, Bob Harris had the guts to say if he didn't like a band that appeared on OGWT. The famous put-downs of Roxy Music and New York Dolls being the two obvious examples. Personally I think he was wrong about both (and this is coming from someone who worked with him and counts him as a friend), but I respect him enormously for having said what he did. Not a fake, Bob Harris.
Enthusiasm/Smarminess
Which is it with Mr Holland? I remember quite a few years ago Mark Radcliffe had a TV show. He was extremely funny and you looked forward to him doing his links. He regularly sent the bands up. Jolly entertaining and you enjoyed it,even if some of the music you did not. It was good television compared to "Later" which is getting a bit tired. The New Years Eve show is still the best on (not a lot to beat there though). Whispering Bob was perhaps a little too blunt in his put downs but his love of music is obviouse.
So It Goes
The reputation of SIG was cemented by the second series when Tony Wilson embraced punk. The first series was generally poor. Does anyone else recall some dreadful East European songstress with a cello? The shard of memory remains simply because she was so awful but TW thought she was wonderful.
Just dreadful
It was the equivalent of the Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club for those few Mancs who, if not watching telly, would otherwise be drinking coffee at the Aaben, all excited about the Eric Rohmer film they were about to see (as Sir Anthony himself often was, back in those dark days before he realised that Shaun Ryder was the new Yeats - and, er, as indeed was I. Oops.)
A new Eric Rohmer
Archie I'm not sure whether you're saying you'd be excited about Eric Rohmer as well or that TW also thought you were a new Yeats. If a new Eric Rohmer was released I'd be very excited. As would Mrs P. A huge favourite in this corner of N8.
Good place to hear and see great new music
Tape it and fast forward to the likes of
there's plenty more where that came from. Kind of makes the bad bits negligible I feel. Your loss if you don't watch it.
Couldn't find Tinariwen on JH show or would have included them.
1 more
time for bed!
In an alternate universe...
Polly Harvey and I are married and living in a cottage in Cornwall by the sea. She is beautiful, sassy and brilliant.
Azeem
I'm sure Tinariwen are absolutely wonderful. I am so happy.
Am I getting old and grumpy...
...or is the level of "debate" slipping a tad on this site. As happy to diss and deride as the next fella, somehow it seems a whole lot more personal of late. As I am old and grumpy, I probably won't respond to the witty riposte this posting will possibly gather.
Back to subject, sure, Jools may be annoying but it is all there is, and there is seldom nothing worth seeing on the show, often more. I am even enjoying the repeats on "Dave" at present. Having earlier said I find Tinariwen a little hard going, I am now going back to research more thoroughly. Anything dismissed so easily as above must be of worth.
You know why, don't you?
Mr H and the Frazester seem to have been otherwise engaged of late(eating chicken Kiev or something, I gather, in one case), and while the cat's away. . . .
I agree that the ad-hominemmery has been getting a bit out of hand, though. I was told yesterday by an otherwise perfectly civil regular that an opinion that I expressed (and one I'm certainly not alone in holding) was a "steaming load of rubbish". Oh, please. Surely we can do better than that. My rubbish doesn't steam; it smoulders noxiously.
"My rubbish doesn't steam; it smoulders noxiously"...
gets my line of the day award. Cheers for that!
*cough*
The Frazester?
Woke you up, though didn't it?
Mission accomplished.
(Don't worry. It won't happen again.)
that'll be me then...
and I agree as slurs go it hardly reached Wildeian levels of wit. Normally I'd steal one of Douglas Adams' better put downs but too many folk round here would spot that. It was however not meant as a personal attack, just my opinion of your opinion. I thought you were very wrong and I still do.
I did appreciate the "otherwise perfectly civil regular" tag, though.
To (development) hell in a handcart
Retropath2 said, "Am I getting old and grumpy or is the level of "debate" slipping a tad on this site".
I'd noticed the same thing too. Sadly, in my experience, it's the way of all internet forums (fora?) that encourage discussion / debate.
I think it's something to do with familiarity breeding contempt, if you'll excuse the use of cliche; or the fact that we express ourselves much more freely and unrestrainedly semi-anonymously and in 'print' than we would do face to face. Disagreements that would be met with a resigned shrug and the offer of another pint in the pub become massive, rambling rows with one party's nonsensical - and unsustainable - submission that (e.g.) Bruce Springsteen is "better" than Kraftwerk* developing into a matter of pride matched with an unwillingness to back down, rather than an everyday clash of opinion that is of no consequence. Ho hum...
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* This is arrant nonsense of course. As everyone knows, Kraftwerk are far better than Springsteen... ;)
Kraftwerk better than Springsteen.
At what? Cycling?
Mines a Laphroaig, large one.
It would be a pleasure!
Maybe next time?
Kraftwerk...
are robots, don't you know... amazing!
These things...
Tend to ebb and flow. Unfortunately, the tone of conversation in online communities tends to be set by the noisiest/most abusive members - because it leads others into thinking that what they're reading is normal, tolerated behaviour, and then following suit to a small degree, even if it's sub-consciously.
It's my job to try and reign in these rogues, warning them if they become too boisterous and barring them if they persist, and yours to a) ignore them, and b) do your best to keep to the posting guidelines: keep it clean, be friendly, be polite.
Lecture over.
Of course
Couldn't agree more Fraser. And I thought we were all very restrained when somone decided to go through the "Randomiser" thread posting allegedly witty comments about people's musical taste sometime last week. So perhaps it's not all that bad on here, after all. Unless, of course, you were hurriedly deleting expletive filled ripostes behind the scenes!?
Well...
I deleted the Randomizer comments you referred to, but only after e-mailing the person responsible to explain why. He seemed to appreciate the reasoning behind the action.
If there's one thing I'm good at...
...it's bastardizing the tone of conversation on this forum. It will stop, though.
You do a good job.
I can think of a couple of online forums tied to music publications that are horrible places to visit and have been made so by those individuals who post most frequently.
To their credit the staff at WORD clearly recognise that the website is an extension of the print magazine and something that requires attention and management.
old and grumpy
you may well be, but you are still correct in your assesment of some of the replies in this thread. Personally I find Jools to be a genial host, though his interviewing skills leave a lot to be desired, Paxo he aint but he's no Fern Cotton either. And regardless of what folk may think of the host, the musical content of the show cannot simply be dismissed in such simple terms "garbage".
Some good points raised...
...whilst I don't personally enjoy this series anymore, I can't say that there have never been any good performances on it- of course there have. I remember I was about 7 or 8 and saw Page/Plant on it promoting that 'No Quarter' album and they were phenomenal; they raised the roof. Likewise, seen some very good performances from John Martyn, Acoustic Ladyland, The Bad Plus, Muse, Radiohead and David Bowie. Jools Holland's presenting I don't personally worry about either way, to be honest.
But I personally have been a bit disillusioned with it of late; I'm sure the 'best of' shows they've done recently have been great (never watched it to be honest), as have the repeats on Dave, but those and the YouTube clips noted here are fairly old performances. Has anybody seen all that much on it lately which grabs your attention? I'm willing to be proved wrong on this.
OGWT was before my time sadly, but I hate the way people deride that by trotting out cliches about performances of 'Freebird that went on for hours' and typical prog/AOR/country rock bashing when if you actually look who appeared on it, it was a far more diverse show than 'Later With Jools Holland' is these days. Sure, Bob didn't seem to have much time for punk (and I'll be honest, I rarely play it either!), but he stuck by his principles and took a back seat from the show as he couldn't bring himself to introduce music he disliked. Even into the late 70s and 80s there was still a real mixture and some brilliant performances from a wide variety of genres.
Not sure that OGWT was more diverse
as was not a lot of world music on it, for example, but then maybe that kind of music was less available in UK then?
I found the last series of Jools's show still had music I enjoyed on it though. But ultimately it's only going to be as good as the music that's around at the time, since it's mainly those who have new product to promote that are on it.
Vampire Weekend was the most recent of the clips I chose - this year. Nick Cave was 2007. Hot Chip were on this year, as were Supergrass, Richard Hawley, Robyn Hitchcock, Radiohead, British Sea Power and Mary J Blige. Not too bad, and it's only March!
Freebird
Let's remember one thing - when Skynyrd appeared on OGWT and played Freebird it was totally unknown and not the overplayed "classic rock" track it is now - the vast majority of people thought it was absolutely fucking brilliant - I was at school at the time and little else was discussed the day after. In fact that whole BEEB concert is on a DVD which comes with one of the recent Skynrd reissues and I can happily report it still looks brilliant, in a flared trousers, cowboy hats sort of way.
Meanwhile...
I'm sitting here thinking, 'Freebird? On OGWT? A really long version? It sounds brilliant. I so want to see this...'
Frazer, 'long' isn't the word...
it goes on for weeks!
I remember seeing that
and I loved it at the time and enjoyed it when I saw it again not long ago.
Mr Ellcock
you are so right of course. My turn at the bar. What are you and Riccardo drinking?
What shores?
I'll have a pint of whatever bitter the landlord recommends thanks Mr G. Or can I call you Eddie?
Miserable buggers.
The problem is that there's just too much music programming now, available at any time to watch again. Combine that with YouTube, and you're sated. So what happens? You get complacent, then you start complaining about it.
Think back to the 70's when there were perhaps only one or two things to watch each week. I wouldn't think that David, Mark or Bob Harris ever had booking rights over the Whistle Test, but we were still glad that it was there, even if we didn't always view it if the acts weren't to our taste, because they were, in a sense, contemporaries who got lucky and introduced and interviewed artists that we'd never seen before and it was a little bit of a club for music fans. Now, all that's gone by the look of it.
The thing about Jools Holland is that he's an enthusiast and a good musician - and there aren't too many of them presenting live music TV shows these days. Yes, you may find him a bit annoying as a presenter, but come on, the degree of sniping on a music magazine blog for what is a good-hearted, usually classy and thankfully long-lived music show is amazing. Shame on you.
Shaun Ryder?
The new Yeats? Yeah...Eddie Yates more like.
Or the proprietor of the Wine Lodges
Hmm. I'm having a very middle-aged Manc day today, it seems. My apologies to the puzzled.
Is it true...
...that the one on Blackpool sea front had champagne on tap? My dad always swears blind, but I think he might be pulling an appendage...
The Fall
Later were one of the few UK TV shows ever to book The Fall, and they were brilliant
granted...
...but that doesn't make up for the sea of tripe that blinds my eyes on every other edition of the show.
The Glasto Syndrome
By any chance would some of you people also be among the hordes complaining about Jay Z headlining Glastonbury?
I'd love to see your suggestions for three months worth of a weekly music show. Remember Radiohead can only feature once...
I agree
I don't imagine booking half a dozen acts every week is easy and they do a pretty good job of getting a good mix of different acts. And as for the token NME band, token World act, token R'n'B act etc. format - they're only trying to represent the music that's around and spread the airtime fairly across various genres. Jools is a bit annoying (and I could do without him having to play with one of the acts every week) but he's not on for long and nor, indeed are the acts. If one is stinking the place up, it‘s only for one song, before something different comes along. I like the fact that all the acts are in the same room too - music as a big melting pot. I think on the whole we should count our blessings with Later. Think about how much worse it could be. And what would take its place if it was ditched. Russell Brand? That twat off Radio 6 everyone moans about on here? Be careful what you wish for.
An afterthought: just as Mark Lammar was eased off Buzzcocks and replaced by that Simon fella (can't remember his surname) giving a rather stale show a new lease of life, how about replacing Jools with Ratcliffe & Maconie.
I had the same thoughts
All it needs is a change of presenter. But they are bound to make the wrong choice. Mark Radcliffe would do well - he was good on The White Room I recall.
The White Room
I only remember this show as being brilliant, chiefly due to Mark Radcliffe and his sterling presentation. I believe they binned it because it cost too much money to make, which is a real shame as I think it would have competed admirably with Later. Those knocking Later don`t seem to have suggested any alternative, have they? Thats probably because there isn`t one. Unless you count watching some airheads doing `comedy` on Channel 4.
Can't we leave Radiohead out
and get something decent on? Later suffers from the same problem that afflicts all music programmes. It relies on a stream of talent coming along at regular intervals but life tends to throw them up in a famine of feast kind of way. I rarely watch but when I do I've been introduced to some real gems like KT and Seasick Steve. As the Beeb's music flagship Later has, by definition, to cover a wide range of music but sometimes this can be too broad for a "rock" audience.
Sometimes I'd like to see the main performer get a whole show with maybe the next show featuring more up and coming acts. The format needs more variety. It's very samey.
As to the standard of debate - there are a hard core of bloggers on this site and the postings tend to reflect the passion at any given time of those individuals. Sometimes we need some provocation to get the creativity going. As long as the debate is friendly I'm not too bothered. Now Springsteen versus Kraftwerk is like Pinky and Perky versus Bill & Ben... How about a discussion on the merits of the Slits versus the Spice Girls?
There is a fine selection of clips from an american music show..
....hosted by jazz-lite saxist David Sanbourn on you tube. He tended to pair different folk up together in groups, so you get a mix of musos playing the songs of another. Always seems to be of the ilk of Richard Thompson, Jackson Browne, Bonnie Raitt, that sort of person, so pretty damn fine in my book. Can anyone remind me the name and post some good examples? I suppose Jools' Fartenannies get close, as the odd artist "jams" with the R'n'B orchestra (who contain the cream of current session men and are also much better than their leaders, um, leadership should commend. A special mention for Rico Rodrigues, trombonist par excellence, should he still be tucked away therein. He and Dick Cuthell made the Specials for me, being far more fun than the official memebers!)
(Was it Night Music?)
That would be "Night Music"
the first series of which was co-presented by - it's that man again - Jools Holland. Personally I think the stick lavished on The Nasal One is undeserved. Part of Later's appeal to musicians is that its presenter is himself a pretty useful musician. Let's face it, if the fate of TV music series was decided by consulting the opinions of those jades who know altogether far too much about obscure Belgian punk combos, and the detailed history of the electric guitar - like, say, the Word Irregulars - then the commissioning editors would conclude "there's no pleasing these buggers", and we'd end up with no TV rock shows at all. Look: Sturgeon's Law, that 99 percent of EVERYTHING is crap, applies neither more nor less to TV rock shows than to anything else, so to expect otherwise is to risk throwing out the baby with the bathwater. You have to wade through swamploads of dross to find the gems. Whether it's worth the effort or not is up to each individual, but I still find it worthwhile.
The Word Irregulars...
I think you have summed up us "jades" to a T. Big smile!! Fab posting!!
(How were Shooglenifty?)
The 'nifty
were fabulous. I've never see a mass outbreak of dancing at Lichfield Guildhall before, but the last 20 minutes saw the entire committee, and several others, putting the flooring in jeopardy. I remained seated, though I suspect the fiddler was looking at me when he referred to those "dancing in their seats" who might like to "do it vertically instead". Top gig. Back there tonight to see girly four-piece Waking The Witch on their farewell tour.
Come on BBC, more Roland please!
Me, I no longer find myself drawn to this programme the way I would have been up to 3 or 4 years ago, but there's usually one act per week that make it worthwhile, and when there's some formulaic indie miserabilists or some creaking singer-songwriter held together with masking tape who was last seen at the arse-end of an episode of OGWT, then its time to nip off to the kitchen and then get another cold one! I live for anything postpunk or a bit electronic-y, but have been in the last 12 months enjoyably surprised by that old dosser Seasick Steve's hobo-blues and even thought that gadger from CCR doing his 'Born on the bayou' really held his own.
My only problem with Later is when Jules drags in his R&B orchestra to destroy some old soul review classics. All that primo session musicianly talent producing the same God-awful racket - talk about a sum less than its parts. And lets face it Jules sings like a seal. World hunger? The war in Iraq? Nothing that can't been sorted with massive extra seasonings of 'boogie-woogie'!
And is there ever a week when Rowland Rivron or Ade Edmondson isn't in the audience necking a beer? They're as ubiquitous as that John Barrowman, maybe more so!
The Rowland Rivron Enigma
Guy's been around for 25 years doing ....what? Can anyone explain how he gets away with it?
Perhaps when Rivron departs this life...
he will be revealed as a Beadle-esque intellectual heavyweight with no end of hidden depths. But somehow I doubt it...
On second thoughts
The Rowland Rivron Enigma would be a good name for his band....if he could sing....
didn't Lamarr LEAVE the Buzzcocks?
Not a fan of NMT Buzzcocks myself (there, I said it) but I often tune in to Mr Lamarr's discotheque-type shows on the wireless Light Programme.... anyway, did he really get "eased out" of the Buzzcocks? I gathered he left, after over 100 episodes, because he'd had enough. And who can blame him, quite frankly.
As for Rowland Rivron's band name.... does nobody else here remember Raw Sex?
Raw Sex
I was trying to forget..... Sex and Rowland Rivron are a mutually incompatible pairing of ideas. The old chap and his organ was bad enough, but Rivron shaking his canastas was something else......
Just replace Jools with
Just replace Jools with Lauren Laverne and I might even start watching it again; I just can't stand the smug self-satisfied old goat. I used to watch it in real time and now don't even record it unless there is anyone intersting on, and there never is. Why have Porcupine Tree never been on?It is the TV equivalent of The Word CD; you think you might enjoy it but when it comes to it, you'd rather listen to some rock or prog than more bloody singer songwriters. *runs away and hides*
Seconded...
Lauren Laverne is a really talented TV presenter. Smart, genuinely witty and very likeable.
I have to agree...
...this is another big issue I have with Jools Holland's show- the way it ignores heavy rock/metal and progressive rock. Both scenes are arguably much more musically vital now than British indie is, and are much more popular sales-wise than some reviewers like to think, but because of their perceived lack of 'cool', they won't have bands of these genres in fear of alienating their presumably 'Q'-reading viewers, I feel. I've very rarely seen much in the way of English folk, blues or jazz on it either, in recent years. If it was as diverse as its defenders claim, it would have all of these things on it.
Kerrang!
Isn't there a whole channel devoted to metal and prog?
(Runs away and hides)
I agree re jazz and "roots" (sic) which used to feature rather more than they do now.
Best moment of many on OGWT
was Bowie singing Five Years. Without Later I wouldnt have known about Seasick Steve and Tinariwen amongst others so its not all bad.
Thirded
I don't think I'd ever watch The Culture Show if she wasn't on it. Witty, articulate & not in the slightest bit pretentious.
Oh dear. Oh Mary. Oh
Oh dear. Oh Mary. Oh christ.
Laverne is only articulate because she has the producer belting a script down her ear piece. I've actually have the mis-pleasure of meeting her, and on this chance encounter I counted 10 awkward pauses as a result of some comment she made.