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ChaosandMorphine's picture

The Mark Hollis post from 8th of January has been resurrected today and sent me off searching for clues. I realise this has a narrow audience so I will post the rest in the first reply.

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First off

Wikipedia reports Mark Hollis as retired from the music industry. No great surprise there.
And sadly no more than that was unearthed about his activities, but I did find this -
http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0163

Which I found both beautiful and baffling.

And this -
http://open.spotify.com/album/7z360z2CHNNfWqT0MF1c2T

Which is an album made by Tim Freese-Greene under the name Heligoland - I have played it once and enjoyed it a lot. Very much in Talk Talk/shoegaze territory.

There are websites out there which update every four years or so, some are listed at the bottom of the Wiki page.

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ChaosandMorphine | 10 February 2009 - 1:10am

Great review

Fantastic review there from Glenn McDonald - If you haven't already, I'd recommend checking out his other stuff on the site, which used to be a weekly blog (before it was called a blog) - I used to be a regular reader.

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Keith Aitken | 10 February 2009 - 9:19am

A Spotify Mess-Up

Spotify have got their wires crossed here. The Spotify bio is all about Tim Friese-Green and his work as Heligoland, however the album 'Shift These Thoughts' is by a completely different Heligoland who hailed from Melbourne, Australia. Info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heligoland_(band)

As Heligoland (the band) have a female singer it may explain why Cath E (see below) thought the vocals were a bit on the thin side.

A shame Spotify have not got Tim's Heligoland as I would love to hear it having adored his Talk Talk work. More info on Tim's Heligoland at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Friese-Greene

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Minty Williams | 11 February 2009 - 7:19pm

Biogs

Spotify takes their biogs from Allmusic, which is like the Internet's Pravda for music. Google a line from any biog, and it shows up everywhere, from mp3.com to Napster.

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Fraser Lewry | 11 February 2009 - 7:39pm

Poor old Heligoland - the

Poor old Heligoland - the Australian version! If only they had done a bit more research to make sure they had a unique name then (thanks to Allmusic's omni-present bio) their musical output wouldn't have been universally allocated to Tim Friese-Green. Even Emusic have the same bio matched up with the albums of the Australian Heligoland. On the other hand I would never have heard their fine music if there had not been the confusion in the first place.

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Minty Williams | 12 February 2009 - 10:19am

Minty

Mr FG and his music can be found here
http://www.heligoland.co.uk/main

The album I was referring to was the eponymous debut of 2000 (it's got a motorbike on the cover). I haven't mistaken him for the other Heliogoland, his voice is really quite reedy!

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Cath E | 11 February 2009 - 7:53pm

You need the .htm

at the end. Like this:

http://www.heligoland.co.uk/main.htm

Weird how the *other* Heligoland sound more like Talk Talk than the *actual* TFG Heligoland.

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ChaosandMorphine | 11 February 2009 - 8:09pm

Thanks for the link

Ah yes I can appreciate what you mean by the 'reedy' voice. An interesting listen and certainly a bit of Talk Talk DNA in there.

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Minty Williams | 12 February 2009 - 10:32am

'Ferocious concentration'

Thanks very much for posting this.
I think Talk Talk's last 2 albums are incredible. I bought 'Mark Hollis' a while ago and I never really got a lot out of it on first & second listen. Tried again a month or 2 ago (home alone, sat expectantly on the sofa between the speakers) & just ended up getting restless again. I think that it might be an idea to keep it next to my stereo ready for some more quiet time when I can give it some of that 'ferocious concentration' that I'm quite prepared to believe(and really hopeful)will release its treasures.
There's not many musicians that I'd be this patient with but I can't help but feeling that at least part of the reasons for my lack of engagement with it is down to me.

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Cobweb Steve | 10 February 2009 - 11:53am

Digging back through the

Digging back through the Wiki reference, it appears that Hollis' former manager, Keith Aspden, made the statement that he had "retired from active duty" in 2000. Other than some production work for Anja Gabarek a year later, he really has disappeared. He always appeared to hate the music *business*. I suspect that problems with the solo album may have contributed to the decision to retire.

The solo album was initally called "Mountains of the Moon" and was a planned release under the Talk Talk name. Hollis spent two years recording off and on with producer and musician Warne Livesey. Livesey's website refers to an experience of "utter frustration" at the end of which they didn't see eye to eye on how the composed pieces should be presented. Hollis then started again with Phill Brown as producer. Brown had produced the final two Talk Talk albums and because of those experiences initally turned the job down. Twice.

On completion Polydor refused to release the album and it was at one point touted to Mo Wax owned by James Lavelle, who had featured Hollis on the 1998 UNKLE release. I believe that Lavelle had previously referred to working with Hollis as "hair tearing". I spot a theme......

The record eventually came out on Polydor as 'Mark Hollis' in 1998. Mr H briefly emerged from the Bat Cave and did a few interviews in a pub round the corner from his house, refused to release singles or play live, took legal action against Vox magazine for comments on smack use, and was generally the uncompromising glum bugger we've all come to revere, before retiring to Wimbledon with his wife and kids. He refused to be interviewed for the Mojo retrospective in 2006. I just love him :)

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Cath E | 11 February 2009 - 3:51pm

All of which

just makes me love it more.
Thanks for posting that.

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ChaosandMorphine | 11 February 2009 - 5:07pm

Heligoland

Both Heliogoland' and 'Mark Hollis' are obvious natural progressions from Laughing Stock, although you would struggle to find two more dissimilar works. However, I would have preferred Tim Friese-Green to have used a session singer as his voice is a little on the, er, thin side.

Cobweb Steve - I think 'Mark Hollis' does initally demand patience. Spirit of Eden was love at first sight for me, but Laughing Stock was more a slow developing relationship, although ultiamately more rewarding. Choosing between the two now would be like deciding whether you loved your mother or father more. At the risk of stretching the analogy to breaking point (and being forced into pseuds corner) think of 'Mark Hollis' as that brilliant, difficult, favourite elder sibling.

You need to be in the mood for it. I'd not played it for ages, and currently it's on all the time. I think the bleak, bitter weather suits it.

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Cath E | 11 February 2009 - 6:39pm

The only thing I know about Talk Talk

is that I saw them supporting Genesis at the Peter Gabriel reunion in 1980. They were some sort of pseudo New-Romantic Duran Duran impressionists and were unremittingly shite.

I'm presuming they developed somewhat later in their career :-)

I'm checking out the Mark Hollis album on Spotify as I type...

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stimpy | 11 February 2009 - 6:54pm

You're right

They did develop somewhat :-)

I might be going against the grain but I still love (& still regularly play) the two albums It's My Life & The Colour Of Spring. There is also a cracking live album from the same period called London 1986.

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GunsOfBrixton | 11 February 2009 - 7:05pm

'Mark Hollis'

Interesting. First impressions are it veers between well written ambient piano (Watershed) and directionless noodling (The Daily Planet).

I'll certainly give it another listen.

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stimpy | 11 February 2009 - 7:15pm

Genesis

I came across the following review of the ill-fated Genesis support gig at Milton Keynes.

"It was obvious from the start that it was a mismatch. It rained all day long and the overpriced, under strength 'beer' was going through peoples inner workings at a frightening speed. Empty bottles, long cues for disgusting toliets and full bladders can only spell bad news. The middle age hippies and proto yuppies were not in the mood for noncy upstart synth bands. They wanted the real thing; an old noncy synth band.

The wee-wee bottles started flying almost immediately Talk Talk walked on stage. I recall the singer saying something like 'You'll like this one. It's a Pink Floyd song' and the crowd half cheered. Somewhat missing the intended irony in the comment, there were several 'That ain't no Hank Williams song' looks between the throng once they realised he was being sarcastic. Then the bottling really started. Talk Talk left the stage after two or three songs as I recall."

Oh dear.

They did improve! And I'm unashamed to admit that I like the first album even if 60,000 incontinent prog rockers disagreed at the time. Pearls before swine and all that.

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Cath E | 11 February 2009 - 7:38pm

Heh... It was a horrible day

I spent almost all day freezing cold and soaking wet huddled under a plastic sheet through Talk Talk and John Martyn. As soon as Gabriel was carried onstage, the skies cleared.

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stimpy | 11 February 2009 - 8:37pm
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