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let's talk about hearing aids

Junior Wells's picture

Something we ageing rockers must face up to. I am interested in views on this topic but first some background.

I had my ears tested a while ago after having increasing difficulty hearing conversations in other than quiet environments, persistently complaining to people to stop mumbling and ,apparently, having the TV volume set at stadium like levels.

The conclusion was that the low end was excellent but the high end - well let's say it looked like the profile of a cliff. Hence my habit of turning the bass down and the treble up to 11.

The specialist was confident my disability could be addressed with a HEARING AID. Immmediately images of large trumpet like instruments inserted in the ear of grumpy old men with hand on walking cane crowded my mind. But the device he showed was small and indeed elegant. The design leap is to have tiny speakers inserted right into the canal via a fine fishing line like wire. Barely noticeable.

He claimed that the device can be set for music, quiet conversation or noisy environments. And it can be wireless interfaced with your phone and or ipod (the latter presumably so I can inflict more damage).

Interestingly he suggested that my long standing tinnitus would abate because it was excaerbated by silence or, more accurately, me not hearing sounds.The argument runs that if the aid assisted me hearing stuff that I didn't before then this would switch off the tinnitus for that time .

Friends and family have said "you dont need a hearing aid" - presumably as the same visions I had clouded their minds also. But it is a pain not hearing things properly. We all quite quickly take to reading glasses once we start having trouble so what is it with something as equally precious - hearing.

Do any of the massive wear hearing aids?

Has it been due to rock n roll deafness?

Are they effective?

How does music sound?

Has it enhanced your listening experience if you do an A / B test?

And a suggestion for a magazine article. Musicians ,deafness and what they do about it.

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Well now you know how Joan of Arc felt

Sorry if that's a bit flippant. But I did want to suggest that if you didn't have any luck abating your tinnitus with an aid a friend of mine with chemo related tinnitus got some relief with hypnotherapy (paging Andrew Collins!). Best to choose someone who also has conventional medicine/psychology credentials apparently (there being no reliable professional body so I'm told) but maybe worth a punt?. Oh and don't worry about friends or family - they'll soon get used to whatever you decide, and if you can improve your standard of living then go ahead. Doesn't Pete Townsend wear them? And, erm, not just for 'research'...
Good luck Junior.

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JohnH | 25 March 2010 - 10:59pm

hmm

does that mean the tinnitus is all in the mind and not physical?

There was a useful article linked to in a word email some time ago on tinnitus. The causes seem unclear and the cure less so .

For me, the tinnitus issue is a secondary problem / benefit.

It is not as if I am badly deaf - but my point about glasses remains. Even with only modest deterioration of sight people readily commence using specs - but not so for hearing.

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Junior Wells | 25 March 2010 - 11:10pm

Not at all

it was absolutely a physical response to a treatment, in my pal's case at least. I think he described the hypnotherapy as helping him not to notice it - like you get used to the smell of your own aftershave, so it disappears.

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JohnH | 25 March 2010 - 11:15pm

which reminds me of an anecdote

when asked why he doesn't listen to heavy metal

the late john enthwistle of the who said

I dont mind smelling my own farts but I dont want to smell anyone else's

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Junior Wells | 25 March 2010 - 11:25pm

Hearing aids?

You can´t, just use a condom.

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Ola Claesson | 25 March 2010 - 11:03pm

Eh?

Sorry?

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Lenny Law | 26 March 2010 - 12:20am

Seriously..

I do wonder what the big thing is with hearing aids. Sight and hearing both deteriorate with the passing of the years. For some reason, a hearing-aid is seen as a marker for terminal decrepitude. We are happy to wear our glasses but a hearing-aid must be very small and discreet lest anyone know our guilty secret.

Men are also crap at being deaf. I've got numbers of patients who have become profoundly deaf with the passing of the years. The women adapt; lots learn to lip-read instinctively. The men don't. You watch them become gradually more lost and confused as they try to muddle through. Go with the advice of the audiologists, Junior.

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Lenny Law | 26 March 2010 - 12:29am

I work with

a man who wears a hearing aid. He takes it on and off like someone who wears reading glasses. Granted he is the type of "couldn't give a fuck" character who carries it off but it is something we are all used to and to be honest is never mentioned. I don't notice when he has it in, they have certainly moved on from the one my dear old Nan wore 30-40 years ago. Good luck with your choice you literally have no need to suffer in silence.

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Dave Amitri | 26 March 2010 - 12:39am

I have a confession...

I am a music lover and and I AM DEAF.

How can that be? You ask. Noise isolating headphones are a godsend.

I could probably write pages on my personal deafness issues, but I'll try and keep it brief. When family and friends try to convince you that you don't need hearing aids, ignore their advice. Your audiologist knows best. From experience, family and friends are in denial and subconsciously don't want to be seen with the imbecile. (The outdated perception of 'deaf and dumb' still carries some weight)

If you feel confident enough to wear hearing aids, do it and hope you have an employer who is understanding and supportive of your hearing loss and won't treat you like the office dunderheid. (I've probably got one of those 'personal tragedy' bestsellers in that story. For another time, maybe!)

Deafness can be a debilitating disability, but with proper support and a positive attitude it need not be.

Good luck.

(Hope this wasn't too downbeat for a Friday morning)

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Uncle Sil | 26 March 2010 - 10:01am

Go for it

My 15 year old son is severely deaf and wears digital hearing aids. He loves music, and his ipod is one of his greatest joys. Technology has advanced in leaps and bounds since he was diagnosed 13 years ago, and the aids and specialist headphones he uses are superb, and will probably only get better as technology advances further.

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Avidfan | 26 March 2010 - 10:20am

I'd be amazed

if an employer were to take that attitiude

given I have a lot of teleconferences i reckon the "work massive" will cheer loudly

I'm not sure about taking them out and in as situations arise as I think that will simply extend the period of adjustment to the feel and the different sound.

The ones i looked were remarkably small and discrete. But they were 600 aussie dollars and the health care rebate is $300.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of information about the reproductive quality of the speakers .I expect their , not unreasonable priortiy is clarity of speech ahead of music

thanks for the feedback

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Junior Wells | 27 March 2010 - 7:55am

deafness - the acceptable discrimination?

I think a lot of people don't take deafness seriously, and that quite a lot of discrimination against people with hearing imperments is accepted in the work place. Other disabilities are given more respect. Hearing loss is not quite there yet. The line between office banter and hurtful comments is not always clear, like it is in other areas such as race, religion, other discabilities.

Mind you, I also think it is sensible to recognise for us to recognise when we have a problem. If you need a hearing aid, do use it and don't pretend you don't need it.

I failed my hearing test on my first day at work, which was a surprise. (So that is what rock music does to you!) Since then it has been about protecting what is left. My wife is now only partially sighted. Good job the kids got my eyesight and her hearing, otherwise we would have to hope they played a mean pinball!

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paulwright | 27 March 2010 - 8:35am

I wear hearing aids at times

Top end has gone in both ears, same profile as described in the original post - like a cliff. Same symptoms - not hearing clearly on occasion, especially if people talk quietly etc. Specialist linked it to 30 years teaching in bare concrete science labs with scraping stools, squealing kids etc. I have hearing aids for both ears. They are digital, behind the ear with moulded ear pieces in the ear. Mine have three settings - normalish, telephone and directional. They are set up to boost top end, so not surprisingly change the way music sounds to my unaided ears. Don't wear them all the time, don't wear them to listen to music (use controls on amp/ipod whatever), but when I need to hear people talking it makes an amazing difference. Don't give a toss whether people notice them or not, but then I've worn glasses for ages so am happy to be terminally uncool and geeky.

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adze thuggery | 26 March 2010 - 11:18am

Thanks

for some really useful info and inspiration on this topic. I have pretty bad tinnitus, but wonder whether music would still sound the same with an aid, might just check out the options.

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Macca99 | 26 March 2010 - 9:42pm

if you are researching this topic

there have been a few threads on the word on the topic

and this article has been cited a few times

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/02/09/090209fa_fact_groopman

spookily it came out on my birthday

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Junior Wells | 27 March 2010 - 8:01am

Very interested to see above comment re

noise isolating heaphones. My dad has had tinnutus (ex-power station engineer) and is now also getting progressively deaf-we tried him on the Bose Quiet Comfort 2s and he tells us they make a huge difference in listening to music-we are delighted.

He has to wear them without his hearing aids because of interference, the newer model 15 is supposed to have lower interference afaik.

He has also been using wireless headphones for many years for the TV, and now uses the subtitles on Sky, DVD etc.

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SpaceBoy | 27 March 2010 - 10:30am

Just a thought..

Deafness runs in our family. My left ear is pretty dodgy, I think as a result of having a dental suction-pump running near it for the last twenty years. Lots of my mates in the game suffer similarly. I struggle big-time to hear conversation when there's high background noise - even in a busy pub. The solution? Earplugs. They filter out all the background racket. Even in noisy gigs, I can hear people speaking at normal conversational volume. Odd. You do look a bit of a tit down the pub if you've got the big yellow buggers sticking out of your lugs but a decent pair of proper ones are much more unobtrusive. You just have to remember to take them with you.

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Lenny Law | 27 March 2010 - 8:31pm

I wear hearing aids........

I was born with genetic hearing loss due to my Mother being very deaf but coped through school and early work career until about the age of 28 whenI moved to an open plan office and couldn't ignore it any longer. Went to see an audiologist for a test and was devastated to be told I would need hearing aids in both ears. Like you low end okay top end crap. I was stunned when they showed me what they looked like as I thought it would be a big banana behind each ear but these digital aids went right into the ear canal and couldn't be seen unless someone looked into your ear from the side.

The difference was astounding if not quite distracting as everyday sounds that others put up with became a huge issue as it was sounds I was not used to. Birds singing, traffic noise, computer fans all became things that distracted me, some out of interest some out of annoyance. You do however get used to the aids and I certainly wouldn't be without them now some 12 years later and wish I had had the confidence to do something about it while I was a boy as I can see now I did struggle on with bad hearing with family, friends and even Dr's saying my hearing wasn't that bad. I also now see my hearing loss as a benefit as I can now switch off everday annoyances that most put up with and it is sometimes a pleasure to go into a silent world. I can have conversations with people without them as I lip read and do hear if I'm looking at them.

My advice is go for it Junior, as it will make things easier for you and technology is now amazing. I had a loan hearing aid of the sort you described with the thin wire going into the ear and with most things it was fine. Don't let them tell you it cuts out background noise in pubs so you can hear conversation. They don't, pubs and large gatherings are just a rabble and it is difficult to concentrate on conversation in that situation.

With regards to music I take mine out at gigs as as I find it gets too loud and can hear just fine without them. In ear hearing aids however mean you can't use earbud headphones with them in so that means if you are out and about with ipod you need over the ear headphones and I think folks look daft walking down the street with them on. Other problem I find is that European ipods have their volume restricted and I find that a pain even with volume full up. Listening to music in the house however on the radio, stereo etc with the hearing aids in allows you to hear little details in the music you probably miss and can be a pleasure once you get over the initial feeling that everything sounds metallic with hearing aids. That feeling soon goes as you quickly get used to them and sound returns to normal.

Sorry to ramble on but it is something I have experience of and my advice is go for it and you won't look back. My bet is also that like me you will soon enjoy being able to take them out to enjoy some silence from time to time.

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Otis J Watermelon | 16 April 2010 - 8:35pm
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