Points of View: what do you think of George Lamb and what's going on with 6music?
By the time George Lamb is on 6music we're all nose to the grindstone here so we never catch him; but judging from your correspondence his presentation style is somewhat controversial, as are a number of recent moves to reposition 6music as something more than a place you can listen to old Cure records and a vintage Carter USM session. (Mind you, this morning they have got Martina Topley-Bird in session so that's a coup.) We've even had people appealing to us to do something about it, as if this is 1938 and we're The Times, or something. Anyway, to mount a campaign we need evidence! Over to you.
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We're trying to mount a campaign at The Lipster too...
We sent Lesley Douglas a letter inviting her to our big gig last Friday...
http://www.thelipster.com/articles/2992643
... but she didn't come.
George Lamb is from the sub-Moyles school of presenting, calling everyone "Dons" and playing an annoying sample of the word "Shabba" every 3.4 seconds. 6Music is supposed to be for music geeks - people can get this sort of stuff on Radio 1. Which he's being groomed for, if rumour has it.
Lesley Douglas's comments about him being woman-friendly are also so off the mark it's silly. Check out our letter for the lovely things he's said about the ladies. There's nothing I like more than a self-obsessed misogynist, Les! Ooh, is it hot in here? Etc.
George Lamb
Its reasonable for a new-ish digital station to grow and re-position and to seek to take advantage of an expanding new medium.
This is best done organically so as to retain regular listeners while tempting new ones with a diverse and up to date rosta of programming that keeps things fresh and interesting.
This first law of broadcasting has been blown out of the water by 6Music with the introduction of George Lamb, a car-crash of a presenter with no interest in music and a questionable take on racial and sexual stereotypes - the latest person to be granted a slot on the station in readiness for FM promotion.
Meanwhile regular music-loving listeners are asked to tolerate a cavalcade of mock-street vernacular, interrupted records and live guest appearances and zoo-radio style studio posse shouting matches.
The official reason for this? - to attract more female listeners to a hitherto male-orientated station. Ask Cat Power if she's likely to tune into George after her recent appearance in which he repeatedly asked if she'd "tongued" a well-known actor.
The 6Music management have mis-judged the mood on this badly, and whatsmore they know it. Meanwhile, George is ranting away as I type, digging his own hole and begging his listeners to sign a petition set up to keep him in his job. You couldn't make it up.
the song that accommpanied george lambs tv advert
can anyone help
bbc radio ran an advert last nov dec 08 featuring various bcc radio djs promoting their programmes george lamb was one of them what was the song that went with his promotion for 6 music
can anyone please help
i am gooooooooogle oooooooooout
i thank anyone in advance
No adjective is strong enough
George Lamb is abysmal. He is completely disrespectful of the 6music listenership and the producers of the records that he occasionally gets around to playing.
On the number of records played alone, usually less that 20 in 3 hours, most of which are talked over or ruined by juvenile sound effects, he and Lady Douglas should be sacked.
Someone of higher authority at the BBC ought to be assessing the mess that Lady Douglas is making.
I'd love to tune each morning to 6music for the music selection, which is still the best of all BBC channels. First, Yawn Cheeseney pegged the tune in time back to 10am, and then, the 6music legend, Gideon Coe was removed to be replaced by a pack of incomprehensible Ali G impersonating hyenas. I don't usually bother with 6music now until top musicologists, Tom Robinson or Marc Riley, arrive to steady the ship.
Amazingly, great artists are still being booked to play sessions during the morning on 6music. As a number of others have pointed out, these sessions are unlistenable due to the embarassing nature of George Sham's interviewing technique. Word will spread amongst the musicians and I predict the flow of talent to the 6Music Hub during this moron's show will slow up.
I think this perhaps says it all....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/shows/georgelamb/lambys_lingo.shtml
Most people I know (30 year old male indie fans!) have turned off in disgust. It's a real shame as Gideon Coe's show was fantastic. It's such a shame that 6Music seem to have completely misunderestimated the wants and intelligence of their listeners. When you also see that they can produce a programme like Stuart Maconie's amazing Freak Zone it makes it all the more annoying.
Good luck.
Don't listen to 6, but doesn't mean I don't get what's going on here. All I can say is that when GLR was transformed into a phone-in/sports station to the horror of everyone that listened to it, a hugely active campaign was mounted including it's own Londumb website and a number of press articles slamming the dumbing-down.
Nett result? Nothing. Nobody likes 'em and they don't care. That's the BBC radio management ethos, because they're always right and above admitting they make mistakes.
But do have a go. Somebody has to give them a kicking, otherwise 6 may end sidelined up as a DAB gardening phone-in channel. (Which I suppose might appeal to me more than old Cure records.)
It's a very grim time for 6Music
...But they're probably moist with glee for all the free publicity at the moment. It seems a strange strategy to adopt but - as has been suggested by others - if Douglas is using 6 to groom presenters for slots on Radio 2 then Lamb will probably stay.
The whole raison d'etre for 6Music was that it should play music that you wouldn't necessarily hear (especially in daytime) anywhere else.
It's utterly ruining my work
It's utterly ruining my work day. I persuaded the office to switch out of Virgin Radio hell (they only seem to own six records) and things have been fine for the last couple of years, but this guy's an utter tool from the Chris Moyles School of catchphrase DJing. He knows nothing about music, does no research about his guests and generally just stinks up the airwaves. Hang the DJ indeed.
Anyway, apparently it's women who like him. I've yet to meet one who can tolerate him for more than five minutes.
A couple of people in the office are keen on the fact that he seems to have a copy of Now That's What I Call Dancehall but I don't see that as a redeeming feature.
I would agree with others that the joy of 6music is that they'll play something that nobody else would play during the day and it'll make you smile for the sheer perversity of the choice.
Oh lorks
having never heard the man's show I grew curious and googled him...what a mistake that was. I'm SO pleased I don't listen.
I never listen
to music radio. And this is why.
Well thought out viewpoint,
Well thought out viewpoint, that. A few bad DJs = no music radio for you. There's a couple of bad DJs on every station, it just so happens that this guy's atrocious, and more importantly, on during the day when those of us who listen at work can't just get up and turn it off.
There's a lot to be said for
silence you know.
Lamby
I first came across 'Lamby' on Freshly Squeezed, the idiot music morning programme on C4 . His too cool for school style really grated and he was in good company with other 'cool' presenters. His interview technique was risable, mostly as he appeared to feel he was as important, if not more important, than the guests he tackled. He then disappeared replaced by other gurning idiots.
He's gone! Hurrah!
Now he's on 6music for all you ladies.
You lucky, lucky girls.
Thing is, he knows fuck all about music and worse, he knows fuck all about radio.
Ok, so 6music was very specialist almost anorak when it started, but it was presented by people who cared about the music they were playing. After it's first year it was compared to Radio 3 with it's breadth of knowledge .
Now I doubt it could fight it out with LocalFM.
George and Lesley are leading the charge. They should be proud.
We love 6 music in this office but have had to turn it off when
..George 'the thrush' Lamb comes on. When can we do Word radio?
Where did you get that voice?
The only time I've come across Mr Lamb was when he was presenting the crappy second show to the BBC2 programme The Restaurant. I am such a food nerd that I will watch anything to do with food and restaurants, but even I couldn't stand more than 5 minutes of it. He's like a less funny Russell Brand. And where on earth did he get that voice? Does he speak like that in real life?
I've just listened to 30 minutes of this mornings show via the 6 music website, and although the music wasn't bad, I just couldn't stand the moronic "if you could be a monkey, what sort of monkey would you be" banter. There's a real knack to making trivia on the radio involving - Danny Baker's got it, George hasn't.
Now *that's* withering
"Like a less funny Russell Brand."
It's not trivia, it's inanity.
The thing is that there's such a thing as wittertainment. When it works (Word Podcast, Kermode & Mayo's film reviews) it's great. When it doesn't, it's just horrible.
Collings & Herrin
At the risk of drifting too far from the topic (although it does stem from the 6Music "glory days"). I would like to add the shiny new Andrew Collins & Richard Herring podcasts to this category.
Lesley had a little Lamb
6 Music, Mondays -Fridays: 10am - 1pm. In days gone by I'd happily spend these hours in the company of Gideon Coe. Smart, witty, great music, the occasional comments on sport, talking at gigs, David Gedge and how his dad did not play the sax on Baker Street.
Nowadays it's George Lamb.
Nowadays I don't listen to 6 Music between these hours.
Nowadays I use the station's listen again facility to hear Gideon's show from the night before.
Having just seen a clip of Mr Lamb on E4...
I would suggest that he is the very definition of the phrase 'style over substance'. He looks like some goon from a hair care product advertisment and sounds like he left his brain under the sunlamp.
Ahh... now I've had the 'pleasure' of hearing his radio show too
...well, 20 seconds of it. My God, the man's a talent vacuum.
talent vacuum...
love that phrase. along with 'oxygen thief'
Reporting
I know we're unlikely to see any of this reported in Word because so many of the presenters have contributed to the magazine and it's all very Pro-6Music, but i'd love to see some good analysis on the direction that the station in headed.
Personally I used to listen to it for hours at a time when it was a music station, but now - alas - it's quite broken.
Sure there are still great presenters, which a knowledge and passion for music, but how long are they going to stay at a station which cares less and less about music.
I've never heard him
but I did have a look at the link and it is quite entertaining. "George has some guests almost as gorgeous as himself" and has a picture of him with Blanche who look very strange indeed.
The picture of him with PJ Harvey is great as well. I know she always looks like that but she couldn't look more disinterested if she tried.
George, Walk The Plank
When on holiday, I used to enjoy listening to the mid morning show on 6music with Coe, but Lamb is a big turn off I must admit. It's a real shame, there's still some good shows on 6; Stuart Maconie and Guy Garvery'e "Finest Hour" in particular. I used to also enjoy The Music Week with Mark Sutherland, not sure what's happened to him?
I love Lamacq's Roundtable...
...but when George Lamb was on it, it was awful. He talks too much about artists he has a vested interest in. I seem to remember Steve moving the conversation on swiftly when George brought up the Audio Bullys and when he starts to talk about Lily Allen, I get visions of Uncle Albert in Only Fools And Horses..."During the war..."
Simply put: a cretin
Even Edith Bowman would be an improvement.
Bring back Gid, furthermore I'm all for the return to Jane Gazzo to the 10pm slot.
Actually, thinking about it I think Dave Gorman did quite well as a stand in...
Evenings only for me these days
I don't get to listen during the working day anyway, but the little I have heard of George Lamb puts me right off.
I can't bear Shaun Keaveney - professional northerner of the worst kind - "eee, it were all pie and peas around here when I were nobbut a lad" etc (and I speak as someone who has spent over half her life in the north of England) - and he's absurdly ignorant about music.
George Lamb is annoying in the extreme - I'm not keen on the boy's youth club atmosphere or the more than slightly sexist verbal content.
Nemone is completely inane and bland.
And I really can't be doing with celeb non-djs - the Russell Howard/Stephen Merchant slots - the wittering drives me mad!
Where's the music gone?
So all I listen to on 6 now are Tom Robinson, Lammo and Stuart Maconie's Freak Zone, which is a shame because I used to love it at all times of the day before it became Radio 1 for DAB owners...
Lesley Douglas...
...is the problem. I suspect she doesn't listen to Radio's 2 & 6 but instead watches endless loops of C4 yoof programmes and picks her presenters that way. Hence Lamb, Brand (have you heard him?) & Dermot Bastard O'Leary. It can't be long before Ken Bruce is replaced by Davina.
If Roland Rat was still on TV...
he'd probably end up on Radio 2 as well.
For a glove puppet
it still manages to have more personality than most of the current crop of DJs
I've got news for you
He (it?) was on 6Music only this morning!
Are you serious?
What was it doing? 'Bigging up' the new releases? Saying "ayyyyyy" a lot? Rummaging through the bins?
I think so
Well, "The Hawk" said he was on and he's got an honest voice! Apparently Keaveney was the voice of one of RRs oppos for a few years.
Oh dear...
After reading the vitriolic comments about Mr Lamb i thought i'd give his program a quick listen......oh dear god,i didn't think it was possible but he's worse than Moyles.
I wrote an article on this for thelineofbestfit.com
i know jude has read it-
I was also the person who wrote the getlambout petition (the wording at least). I would be more than happy to contribute to this article- please get in touch...
if you want an example of how the bbc is appealing to more female listeners, just visit lamb's homepage, where you will find that 'Top Bird' martina topley bird was in the studio last week.
also last week lamb was asked if he ever 'chirpsed' (i.e. pulled a member of the oposite sex) at a rave...to which he responded 'There were women there. of course i did...oiiiiiiiiiii'
he has also been advertising/ campaigning for his retort to getlambout.org.uk (he started www.keeplambin.co.uk). In advertising this he is in breach of bbc editorial code. It seems he also got wind of a campaign to text the lyrics of panic by the smiths to his show as a mass protest, and as a result asked people to text the show with their favourite lyrics from the song- hence making it look like people were texting in support. Very Clever.
Lamb's advertising and product placement are being investigated by BBC radio 4's feedback programm this week (the fourth time in a month and a half the lamb/6 music/ lesley douglas issue has featured on the show.
Please get in contact with regard to this
It should be about who listens not how many
When 6Music was announced it was clear that it was supposed to be the station that Virgin could have been and Xfm would have been if it hadn't run out of money. When it actually came to air (6 years ago today) it fulfilled it's promise. It was a radio station for people that didn't like any of the existing ones. The stations listenership has increased as more and more people have the means to listen so why does it need to change it's underlying requirement to cater for those not catered for elsewhere? Quite simply, it doesn't. George Lamb is unlistenable, Nemone is so bland that she might as well not be there. Fortunately my drive into work coincides with Chris Hawkins show and I get to the car park just as Keaveney is about to start.
Six years ago I fell behind with listening to newly bought CDs because I could (and did) listen to 6Music all day. These days I have so much non-6Music time that I'm even properly reaquainting myself with albums that originally came out in 2002 & 2003.
At least one Sunday Times contributor is already on board with the campaign to get rid of Lamb - I'm not sure about his plan to replace him with Mr Zimmerman though!
I want to listen to good
I want to listen to good music and informed comment, not a child let loose in a studio.
I have cut my 6Music listening down to 6 hours a week, down from over 30. Well done, Lesley!
Someone did a bit of research on the 6 messageboard
and discovered that all of the new Lesley Douglas signings came from the same management company which was interesting. Are they being foisted on her or does she think this particular agency is a hit with the listeners. She made a comment recently about bringing in Russell Brand to 6 and saying that was the point she realised that the station's presenters didn't have to have a background in music, just be enthusiastic (I'm paraphrasing). To many listeners that was exactly the point when the rot set in !
getlambout.org.uk
http://thelineofbestfit.com/category/news/articles/ and go to the 6 music article for a full rundown of the Douglas Lamb dance with John Noel agency (who do big brother-hence oleary, brand etc)
And also as lamb is plugging his keep lamb in site for a numbers battle please sign up to www.getlambout.org.uk
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George Lamb
He recently spoke to a 17 year old fan and was calling her "dirty"
This is pretty dispicable behaviour from anyone in the public eye and sends out a damaging message to listeners, both male and female that it's ok to sexualise young women or embarrass them. Would you accept it if some dirty old bloke started saying that to your little sister...I dont think so, so what makes him untouchable?
This is exactly the oppostite way to encourage women listeners. Lesley Douglas tried to split the argument about his appalling presentation skills by trying to make it one of gender - but failed miserably. The one saving grace of 6music listeners is that they find that behaviour unacceptable too.
What you do or say in your own front room is fine, but it has no place on public radio.
The whole issue of class is another one, but I'm sick of this rich white boy thinking that his bigoted stereotypical opinions on women and estate dwellers has a place on a music station.
How did Gideon Coe get through 5 years without managing to insult anyone and only spark debate about music? Tom Robinson can be a little more political but keeps it focused.
Word magazine - Lesley Douglas is impotent to do anything about this...Jenny Abramsky might worth approaching before the advert that is being made to big him up is released and embarasses the entire BBC network.
Ahh! The George Lamb Show!
Ahh! The George Lamb Show! What can you say?
If you haven't listened to this show, you really really should! Once, and for not very long - believe me that is all that it will take (it is almost certainly all that you will be able to take). Seriously, this show is beyond parady - think Alan Partridge meets Nathan Barley meets some form of hospital radio Steve Wright wannabe (circa 1985)and you are getting somewhere near it.
6Music did of course used to be a complete jewel of a station - a very broad range music from the sixties to date (including album tracks and BBC sessions) presented by informed and informative DJ's with a welcome lack vanity and verbiage - it was of course the station whose credo was "closer to the music that matters".
With the loss of several key presenters worrying cracks had begun to appear - more "comedy", more self-involved banter between a presenter and side-kicks, more imploring the listener to text and email the show - in short moving further and further from the MUSIC.
This has reached an apocalyptic conclusion with George Lamb - know that name? You may be aware of him from such authoritive music programming as "the Restaurant" and "Celebrity Scissorhands" - that's it, the perma-tanned blow-wave with a cosmetic dentist's loyalty card.
It goes without saying that he demonstrates no knowledge of, of interest in, music. He does however wear this as almost a badge of honour. The daily tracklisting for his show regularly records that he plays less than 20 songs in 3 hours - compared to in excess of 30 songs on other similar 6Music shows.
The music is instead replaced by George jabbering (largely in cod-West Indian patois - he is a posh kid from Fulham by the way) about his favourite subjects. These subjects are as esoteric as they are limited - people he would like to give a "beat down" to (just about everyone), his hatred of pinapple on pizza, objects that he likes to laminate (yes, really), meat products that can be worn (don't ask me), who Chuck Norris can beat up, and a class-based thread which seeks to criticise people or actions which can be viewed as "estate", and er, that's about it.
It's not much by anyone's standards, and so he fills up the remainder of the void left by the absence of music by playing a very limited selection of sound effects, a lot, a heck of a lot - until your very will to live has been wrung out of you. These include the "Shabba" from Phoenix Night's Ray Von (he not only steels the joke, but doesn't seem to understand that it is meant to be a parody), the ever dependable air-horn, somebody shouting "Charlie Murphy" (no, me neither), oh you get the picture.
Lesley Douglas, the station controller, has responded to the waves of criticism against this show by declaiming that, in essence, 6Music was "too male" and that it needed to widen its female audience - fair enough. She has said that men tend to be too intellectual about music whereas women are more "emotional". Leaving that whole topic aside, her answer is to foist Geroge Lamb upon us - a man who calls women "birds" for crying out loud!
It would nonethless seem that there is an audience for this show - more rivetting portions of the show are given over to giving out "shouts" to listeners whose lifelong ambition is to have their name read out longside a "shabba" or "tramp" sound effect.
This mighty army of listeners was last week marhsalled by Lamb to sign an online petition entitled "keep Lamb In" - this in response to the unofficial "Get Lamb Out" site created by the saner members of the populous. He told them they had a day to sign the petition and beat the number on the rival petition or else he and his staff would lose their jobs, "and they've got families". When they failed to do that on day one (his self-appointed target), the pleading was extended to day two; since this too appear to fail, the subject appears to have gone quiet.
It was however a curiously ghoulish experience listening to a man pleading for his audience to vote for him not to be sacked - rememeber a certain Radio 1 DJ pleading on air for his wife to come back to him? Either that or Alan Partridge trying to get "Monkey Tennis" commissioned.
It could of course be some kind of sociological experiment - what will a man with a modicum of good looks and a heap of self-belief do to become a "celebrity" - hairdressing? cookery? music? "yeah I'll do a show on those, as long as I can be front and centre". What will the public put up with?
Pop may well have eaten itself, but we are now looking at what comes out the other end...
Well said !
What else is there to say ?
It's not just George Lamb...
6 Music has become simply unlistenable between 7am and 4pm on weekdays now.
To start with there's Sean Keaveny, who has made me totally re-assess my opinion of Phill Jupitus. We didn't know how lucky we were...
I don't need to add anything about the 10-1 slot to what's on here already, except that you turn on and think that somewhere there's a university radio station missing a presenter. George Lamb's knowledge of music is about as extensive as Avram Grant's charisma.
But then when he's gone we get lumbered with Nemone, the DJ for those who think Jo Whiley is, well, just a little bit too challenging. A woman who still wishes she was a student, plainly.
Sunday mornings on 6 Music are as bad, frankly. The clue is in the station's title - I'd really like to hear some music rather than twentysomethings bragging about past bedroom conquests. This puerile nonsense is what Radio 1 was rebranded for, surely?
The whole station is just becoming obssessed by celebrity. With Steve Lamacq off this week, did we get, say, Marc Riley standing in? No, Martin 'bloody' Freeman, that's who. Nothing against him personally, but he's the kind of stand-in you'd expect to hear on Radio 2.
You can't help but think that Lesley Douglas chooses her new presenters by flicking through Heat - up-and-coming Gideon Coes have got no chance now and Guy Garvey had better be hoping that the new Elbow album shifts a few copies to keep him in the spotlight of mainstream fame.
BRING JUPITUS BACK
His 6Music show was fantastic.
P.s. George Lamb is fifty types of watery twat.
Every time he drops a youthful colloquialism into a sentence, I burn a urine stained effigy of his grinning little face.
I don't condone violence, but I'd love to jab him in his satan-spawned bollocks with a screwdriver.
P.p.s. He referred to Chris Akabusi as ''Chris Aka-bizzle''. With his own mouth. Live on air.
Plagiarism ahoy!
"P.s. George Lamb is fifty types of watery twat."
Someone's been listening to the latest Stephen Fry Podgram...!! (Which is very entertaining, by the way.)
I'm gonna start doing that ['I burn a urine stained...']
Oh, except the thought of getting it out in front of his grinning, 6-figure, smug face is more than my bladder will allow, I fear.
Ok, how about tea-stained and I still burn it?
No one would know- without getting really close.
I'll say It was urine stained.
And it will be burnt so how would they prove anything anyway?
Am I over-thinking this?
Sorry.
Final nail in the coffin?
it appears that by posting a link (now deleted) from his BBC show web page to the "keeplambin" petition he or his producers may be in deep do-do.
Do we have the figures?
Of course someone like George Lamb is going to meet with absolute opprobrium from the contributers to this blog - by definition, it is everything we hate about music radio - but we're hardly representative, are we?
Does anyone have any statistics that suggest he is failing badly - or are the listening figures through the roof?
(PS: I know that ratings should not be at all relevant in this debate - we're talking public service radio here - but I think we all know the reality of the situation).
For the record, I have no idea what the man sounds like and have absolutely no intention of actually finding out.
Lamb
A contributor just mentioned the pic of gorgeous George with the band Blanche. They were in the UK for the BBC 's Electric Proms and were in session with him during his first week at 6. They were amazing - solid, hard-core garage country from Detroit that was exactly what 6 used to be all about.
The session was superb but George was so out of his depth it was farcical.
I think we should not only campaign to keep him off air but to also deprive him of air.
Where do i start?
The show is insufferably bad at every level. I'm going to number my points like a complete spod.
1. Not enough music. 6music is a, er, music station. Most presenters manage to get 35-40 tracks into their 3 hour shows. George manages 22 on a very good day. Worst case, 14 tracks. at 3 mins each that's as little as 42 minutes of music out of 180. The rest is taken up with GL's thoughts. And trust me, that's bad.
2. Disrespect to the music. Such tracks as there are, are wrecked by him playing car horns, sound effects, that bloody shabba sample, and also singing over the top of them.
3. Piss poor content between records. I haven't the strength to describe it all - just go and listen, It's bad, sad, sub-standard, childish and narcissistic. It is only very very rarely anything to do with music
4. Loutish beahviour towards women. he told a 17 yr old school girl live on air that she was "DIRTY, DIRTY". I bet her mum was so proud. He demanded from cat power whether she had kissed someone "with tongues". Not once, but half a dozen times. She was so thrown by it she completely fucked up her live session. The last time I tuned in, he was interviewing a female listener and shouting "Top off? Top off?" at her. He's a lout.
5. What is with that yardy accent thing? He's a white posh boy from a private school. It might have been funny ONCE. Maybe
6. Did I mention that he's a posh boy from a private school? With an insanely cushy job that brings him a level of wealth and comfort that most of us could only dream of. How utterly galling then that he likes to spend his show taking the piss out of "estate" people, as he likes to hilariously refer to the working classes. Oh no, actually ITS ALL RIGHT because he puts on this mockney accent, so he can't be an upper class fascist snob, can he?
7. Can't be bothered to do his job: His complete lack of any background knowledge about music is risible. HE REALLY KNOWS NOTHING about any music, unless it was on the decks at Pringles nightclub, Friday nites, 1995-1996. Guests to the show are interviewed by a man who cannot be bothered to find out the most basic of facts about them or their records. Like a hairdresser, he just asks them about their clothes, their holidays, who's been on the telly, and makes smutty comments about their sex lives. It's plain rude, to them and to us, the listeners. Case in point, the infamous SFA interview.
8. Narcissist: unlike any other professional media presenter, who would simply ignore criticism, he uses his show to defend himself against his many, many detractors, insulting them, and finally in a moment seemingly lifted straight from Alan Partridge, asking people to sign an on-line petition to keep his show on air. He announced a target: to beat the number of signatures at getlambout.org.uk. He had a NATIONAL RADIO SHOW to push for this target. And guess what. He hasn't managed it. A narcissist and a publically humiliated fool.
I have no idea how George spends his recreational time. But I'm told heavy cocaine use makes you believe a) that everything that floats out of your mouth is the wittiest, funniest thing ever spoken and b) people are out to get you.
The poor man is performing a long, drawn out death in public. Someone do the kind thing AND PUT AN END TO IT.
Its all here for everyone, LD included, to read
I don't need to add any more to this debate as actual content for the reasons why this cretin is so offensive on so many levels.
Really, Fist_of_Onan says it all in his.If you've just skimmed passed, then whoa on that mouse wheel and back up an read it. It says all that the true fans of 6Music feel. Go on now go back and read it. All bulleted for you and everything. He's good like that.
I'd better not find out you didn't read it...
For me, it's about finding something really great, away from all the usual crap we have to deal with. A radio station where I didn't need to hold my breath about what they were going to do next. What ever 6 used to play next might have surprised but it was usually worth it. In my 36 years I've never been exposed to so much new music as I have in the last 4, having found 6Music.
So why all the big fuss- so a station puts on an idiot that the white vans bounce to? Why all the tears and shouts? Well, because it was the last place you could find to get away from all that. The dials weigh heavy with the commercial version of a wedding DJ. The obvious, yet popular, geezers who call out to Dave in Essex, yet still reach out to Michelle at home with the baby.
Ok, hold on before you think I've just stereotyped a whole nation or am making a point that I'm better than that- I'm not. In both senses. It's just that to Dave, or Michelle, they have something they like and I'm not here to comment on that. The point is that there is such a choice to this kind of radio on both FM and DAB that one cross section of society gets choice of tons of content, whilst everyone else has to choose between Radio 4 or Radio 2. Therefore when something comes along, as 6Music did, that offered a real alternative, to the Alternative, it was pure gold.
I had a station that reached to me and now it's gone. Melodrama allowed here, I feel. Yes, it's only 3hrs a day but once you let the station go, for even this amount, its only a matter of time before a. it gets sold, eg XFM or b. goes to shit, like all the rest. Plus, once a Station Controller as Lesley Douglas has tasted a bit of blood, she'll go all out for a station make over. Until she's bored and/or promoted and then the die will be cast and any future boss will simply follow on.
So I'd like to say to anyone that values the need for niche stations, whether yours is Country, Trad Irish or Basketball Classics, please hound any music press you know to stop the BBC from being one of the first to dumb down the value that minority radio provides its community.
What's happening at 6Music is a sign of things to come to any station you currently hold dear because it's different. Once the ratings start to matter you can kiss goodbye the content.
Get behind the efforts shown by 6Music's finest listeners and save your own station too.
Getlambout.org.uk
[and what Fist_of_onan said, twice]
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What he said
What can I add to fist_of_onan's brilliant synopsis? Not much, except to back it up - it's frankly appalling and he has to go. Let's not forget that Georgie Peorgie is apparently on there to bring in the female listeners - apparently what they really want is a mockney dullard and his half-witted mates describing female guests as 'well up for it', discussing whether Chuck Norris could 'beat down' a honey badger (really, you don't need to know) and playing endless 'Shabba' and 'Thundercats' clips, sometimes over the music. All this on a station that still claims to be 'closer to the music that matters'. To paraphrase the Manics, if we tolerate this, what will be next?
blimey
I'd never heard of this Lamb bloke until reading this thread, but as a part-time music radio listener (no music in my office, thankfully) I sure won't be tuning my radio dial to R6 any time soon. I thought Craig Charles was bad enough on that station but this tw*t sounds like the worst yet. BBC Radio should know better, really they should.
Interesting point about the batch of new radio "presenters" coming from the same agency though, and being signed by the same controller. Are they perhaps related?
George Lame
Please for the love of all that is sacred GET LAMB OUT!! Fist of onan and others sum up my feelings pretty well, I cannot have 6 Music on between 10-1 anymore. I can't take it! I hate him! Also if the idiot in charge at 6 music thinks this is what Women want I think I hate Women too! Don't know how I'm going to explain that to the missus? Maybe let her listen to this self satisfied, tedious, repetitive, clueless bore for more than 30 seconds. BRING BACK GIDEON!!!! Bring back indie disco, duffing and a DJ who knows what he's doing and has a genuine knowledge and passion for music. Not a Moyles clone totally indifferent towards music and clearly using this once wonderful, unique Radio station as a platform to futher his pathetic, mediocre career.
6Music
I've stopped listening to the station altogether - I believe this is the only way to hurt them. Like many others, I used to be able to listen happily all day to the station, but now I am not prepared to have my intelligence insulted.
Andrew
Lamb
I have nothing to add except to agree with the general tone of the above comments. The moment the humourless smug prick opens his mouth leaves me scurrying to find out what's on Woman's Hour. This morning I found myself listening to an item praising French & Saunders for fucks sake.
Quote from youtube
"It's OK - some people I know are planning to see to it that he ends up in a wheelchair all spazzed up"
Fist Of Onan Rules
Can't you employ Fisty as a writer...he is wasted as a decorator...plus peoples houses arent getting painted because he has to spend time battling the dark forces of George Lamb...its a widespread thing. I'm not designing as many greetings cards because I have to keep emailing the twat to complain. It's starting to affect the economy y'know.See - thats Lambs fault too.
And can you hurry up and investigate Lambgate....
Best way to get a feeling about Lamb is to google 'george lamb'...and for some real fun google george lamb AND an insult begining with W and sounding like Banker....excellent results. It would seem that there are many forums around the UK who are having similar conversations but with really rude words!!!
http://www.getlambout.org.uk/
Oh, I forgot:
The "Umbungo" incident. It's beautifully summarised here:
http://muttonhead.wordpress.com/
Can I also say - a lot of six music is still way ahead of anything else the BBC puts out. Marc Riley, Tom Robinson, Coe of course, (blessings be upon him), Guy Garvey, Craig Charles, and Lammo all produce shows of superb quality. Even Keaveny and Nemone, who get a lot of so-so comments on discussion boards, play good tracks and knock seven kinds of shit out of anyone else at those times of day, and do seem to care about the music. Chris Hawkins gets props from the peeps too, but being neither a student or milkman, I've never tuned in.
So, DON'T BE PUT OFF 6music just because of the giant turd sitting smack in the middle of its beautiful face. It is the radio station you wished for all those years you endured Simon Bates and DLT and "Whoops" Gary Davis and Chris Evans and Simon Mayo and BRUNO FUCKING BROOKES, with your nails digging into your palms. It's under attack, but it is rescuable and it's worth rescuing because it unique and wonderful and special and lovely and GOOD.
GLR
Actually, its the station that we wished for since the BBC decided that we GLR listeners didn't want to hear music which turned me into an ex-GLR listener waiting for the DJs to reconvene on 6Music.
Simon Mayo
OK his Radio 1 show wasn't exactly brilliant, though I liked it at the time, but his stuff on Radio 5 is very, very good.
Mayo
Yeah, he's redeemed himself a bit, from the few times I've tuned in to hear him on 5.
Hating Lamb, Part Deux
I'd happily tolerate a year of flat sharing with Chris Evans, Chris Moyles, Janet Street Porter and Scott Mills (ok, step too far) if my only other option was to engage in 2 minutes of idle chit-chat with George Lamb.
Here's my petition:
Sign here if you would like to see me continuously jab Lamb in face with a steel coated fist until his muggy contenance is diminished to a weeping, bloody stump.
PRINT NAME:
SIGNATURE:
Has anyone got
a link or a transcript of his 'infamous' Super Furry Animals interview. Apparently it's absolutely jaw dropping - he has no idea who they are.
George's utter wretchedness and imbecility, coupled with a band famous for not being the best interviewees? It's got to be gold.
sliding rapidly from the topic...
Did anyone hear the john humphries try to interview Gryff, years and years, at about 8.30 in the morning, on the today programme? It went as you would imagine. What were they thinking?
I know of a man whose been collecting the worst bits of Lamb. I'll see if hes got a recording of the SFA/George debacle.
Christ, he's a tool...
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PHCIUCHU
He makes
Peter Powell sound like Wittgenstein.
rebel
the george lamb show is so inane and awful it shames the bbc. If the controllers of 6 music cant see that this is bad bad radio and totally unsuitable for a station designed to be about music then they should resign or we should tear up our licenses.
George Lamb
I am young and I am female, and if that's what they think is going to keep me listening to 6 Music then they are very much mistaken. I would never in a million years claim to be an authority on radio, but if a show that I was producing (and this is only student radio) sounded anything like that, I would just stick some good music on and refuse to turn the presenter's mics up until they stopped being so bloody childish. It's almost painful to listen too. I love 6 music, I really do, but what I hear from George Lamb is more the sort of thing that I would expect from a badly done daytime student show than something put out by the BBC. I have a radio show, and I want to persue radio as a career, but if I was expected to have a presenting style that was more Russle Brand than Peel or Nightingale then I think, as much as it would pain me, I would have to reconsider. A man that feels it's necessary to 'introduce' a band as well known as Greenday and who clearly can't be bothered to do proper research should not be working in music radio.
Lamb is a stain on beautiful 6Music
Agreed with the majority above: we're all so massively upset because we finally felt we'd got our very own radio station, one that didn't assume that because we were a little bit older, we didn't care about music anymore. I'm Lesley Douglas's mythical ideal female listener and I can't bear Lamb. His relentless geezerishness, the faux working class accent (a trick his own little Miss Lily Allen also tries to pull off), the Nuts sensibility and, worst of all, the total disregard for the music he is meant to be playing.
I'm sick of complaining to the BBC: many people have been fobbed off. Especially galling was the email that claimed that the huge debate about Lamb is hardly a debate, when there's more important stuff going on in the world. Like Iraq. Good save, BBC guy, can't fault that logic.
Lamb is everything that 6Music should not be. Please save our station! In common with others, if I was home, the radio went on at 7am and stayed on till 8pm or later. Now it doesn't go on at all.
I've read the thousands of
I've read the thousands of comments on the 6music web page. I've read the blogs and articles. I've heard the comments on feedback. So, when I listened to the George Lamb show on for the first time Friday I didn't think I'd be in for any surprises.
Constant stream of inane 'banter' - Check.
Sub Steve wright posse providing false laughs at every comment - check.
Frankly embarrassing conversations with people calling the show - Check.
A complete lack of knowledge or care for the music, such as it is - check.
In short, a show that wipes it's bum on the station's remit.
But what I wasn't prepared for was the level of incompetence by the man. Forget the arguments surrounding matters of taste, this guy isn't capable of working as a radio dj. It wouldn't even be funny if he was trying to be 'ironic'. I've never heard anything so wilfully bad before. Not hospital radio, not the most local of local radio. He's worse that Alan Partridge.
The fact the Lesley Douglas not only employed this man, but then extended his contract stinks.
Taking 6music down with the DAB ship
I used to love 6music. Great, intelligent knowledgeable presenters like Phil Jupitus on the morning show, Marc Riley, Suggs... people who were passionate and wanted to share that.
I could cope as some of these went and were replaced with lesser versions - at least there was still a good music range and you'd hear new tunes you wouldn't have heard otherwise.
Putting George Lame on just takes everything the station has built up and shits all over it from a great height. I don't want shabbas, dons and meat hats presented by the class clown with the intelligence of a Sun reader. I just want the music back and some intelligent discussion around it...
www.getlambout.org.uk
Inclusiveness
After seeing all the hoo-haa about this guy I listened for a while and like everyone here I was astounded by how amateurish and self-indulgent the guy was and that it sounded like the station's frequency had been hijacked by a pirate station comin' outta Staines.
I fired off a short complaint to the Beeb along those lines and got a reply which everyone seems to get:
"whilst all the presenters talk about music in a passionate way, they must do so in a way which is genuinely inclusive to all"
which as it happens seems to be a non-sequitur about my complaint re amateurishness. Anyway I have replied to that effect and also asked how it can be inclusive to alienate the core audience.
Lamb to the slaughter
This morning he accidentally played the uncensored version of some dance hall reggae track (can't remember which one but it had a lot of swearing on it), so that might hasten his departure. Fingers crossed eh?
Had he ever heard the song
Had he ever heard the song before, he might have realised, but alas, he knows sod all about music. The tool.
Lamby Aborted!
Apparently he's never actually existed...his birth was infact terminated 30 years ago.
He is merely a figment of our frightful nightmares.
Get Lamb out...
And give the job to Hepworth and Ellen. That would be apointment listening.
No change
Being a fair minded chap, and wanting to check out my new in-car DAB radio, I gave Mr Lamb another listen while driving between meetings this morning.
Being a fair minded chap, I have to say that he's still sh!t.
Not much response from the Word Community
This issue is bigger than George Lamb. Lesley Douglas also covets Simon Amstell, see the recent atrocious Independent article.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/film-and-tv/features/the...
I know there are nearly 80 comments here but I am surprised there has not been more of a hoo-haa (spelling?) among Word readers about the systematic dismantling of the 6Music remit and move to a radio version of Channel 4 / T4 by the Radio 2 controller.
Once again 'The Man' has come and shat all over my radio.
George Lamb has a catchphrase and it's 'SHABBA'. What else can be said about a man who steals from a crap dj character from Pheonix Nights.
Shawn Keavney, Nemone. Three words that make me want to shoot my radio. Come back Jupitus! Shoving Coe to the dark dingy margins is a sin against radio.
Why was Allen Carr and Shelly off of Corrie subbing for Lamb over Easter? They were quite funny, but I thought I had tuned into radio 2 by mistake. I thought 6 was for old Dexy sessions and the like, not light hearted banter about the size of Aretha and who wore rugs in the Rovers.
Nevermind, Adam and Joe makes it all ok. I dont even switch over to Ross on 2 anymore.
Positive side effect
I've started listening to Resonance FM on the internet. This is what 6Music should be. Listened for a few days and heard only records I've never heard before. Also I have no idea who the presenters are, which is a good thing. This morning there were two or three blokes chatting about the punk scene in Coventry and playing obscure tracks from back in the day. Wonderful!
It gets worse
Whilst the attention is on Lamb on 6Music, the only reason to tune into Radio 2 on a Saturday afternoon, Stuart Maconie, has been replaced to make way for an expanded show by another T4 spawn, Dermot "Mumbles" O'Leary.
Maybe Stuart wanted out of Saturdays? Somehow I doubt it.
All those Word readers who have not yet complained about the changes at these two stations need to get emailing or soon there will be no serious music broadcasting outside of Radio 3
I feel better now
I've worked my way through all the above posts. It's been the most therapeutic experience. I genuinely worried I was alone in my amazement of Radio 6's decision to appoint this repetitive, self-obsessed and apparently talentless waste of technology.
Having just turned freelance I was looking forward to a daily diet of 6 Music to help me through the working day, but now I can't turn it on before Lamacq restores order in the late afternoon.
I hate to pick on the bloke - he's presumably doing his best. But come on.
I'd rather hear
Dave Lee Travis play Macbeth
TV advert
Because have read most of the above posts at least I understand some of the references in the ad, but that still seems to be a waste of my licence fee again. Why do we need another piss-poor Ali-G sound-a-like when it has been done so much better? And I like pineapple on my pizza, so f... off.
Oh well at least browsing the the list of Peel sessions cheers me up. When will a quality replacement appear I wonder?
Is this a bit strong for a first post?
In support of George Lamb
Having got a digital radio 12 months ago I can say that it has been a bit of a revelation, 6 music in particular. Shaun Keavney is wonderful in a morning a lovely alternative to the generic, "wacky" dj's who seem to get employed in this slot (Moyles, Evans....). George Lamb is funny, doesn't take himself too seriously and offers a bit of a balance to the occasionally po faced, anorak side of 6 music (Freak Zone!!!). As for not knowing his tunes, his was the first radio show I heard - and praise - Band of Horses, and the guy has had some great sessions.
Sadly 6 music goes downhill after his show, the people directing their efforts to get rid of Lamb should really be trying to give Nemone the boot. Never have I heard a more humorless, pandering to whatever is currently trendy playlist, ass kissing interviews - how she is still broadcasting is a mystery to me.
Lamacq is great, Tom Robinson too and the Guy Garvey show is probably the jewel in the crown.
So, please keep Lamb, and also keep up the great magazine - having listened to a few of the podcasts your talents certainly lie in the written word.
cheers
Viewpoint
Firstly, why is everybody so angry about this. It's a free country (just about) you have a choice, listen to another station, maybe go and buy an mp3 player, watch the TV, do something less boring instead. So the more musically informed amongst the population have taken badly to the direction of 6 music recently, again, there are plenty of choices.
I actually really enjoy George Lamb show, it is the only daytime show I can listen to. I think it has a particular demographic for sure but also this spans quite wide I would say. The references for the "humour" appeal to me as a 29 year old ("straight estate") degree educated IT professional. It would seem "the kids" also get it.
At the end of the day he is trying to have a laugh without being too contrived, I find it a nice balance of very good music and some refreshing inane drivel.
Don't Hate.. well you know the rest ;o)
Pfff
In answer to the pointless; "Why is everybody so angry about this." remark.
Because the alterntative is apathy.
6Music was a radio station that was set up to celebrate the diversity of music and present this in an interesting, authorative and engaging manner. Now I wouldn't want to dispel any illusions you may be under but George Lamb does not to do this. He is as seemingly ignorant about music as he is unfunny. Talking over records, reading out pointless e-mails and playing the same samples infinitum does not make a radio show aimed an intellinent adults.
So, "Why is everybody so angry about this."
Because perhaps, just perhaps, it's not much to ask that everything isn't dumbed down by managment chasing ratings and presenters using a radio station as a stepping stone for being the next presenter of some awful reality show.
Face up
I have to agree with some of your points, I also feel annoyed by the constant dumbing down of "everything", however this is the world now, time to accept that. We do however have a very broad choice with the invention of technological "things" such as DAB and the internet. I find Elaine Page on Radio 2 rather hard work on sunday afternoon, but you know what, I don't listen to it for that reason. We have enough choice, and can even use features such as listen again. I suppose I am speaking out rather hypocritically against the haters of everything (see youtube comments board), I await a torrent of abuse from people who express themselves with colourful language.
Peace x
spot on
and very much to the point.
He is...
...a total and utter cock. His 'popularity' is entirely inexplicable and there is no purer example of the horrible infantilisation of popular culture in the UK. To listen to him is akin to sitting immobile on a bendy bus for three hours while a moron plays 'music' from their mp3 phone and throws chips at the back of your head. I have never in all my born days heard the like, even when accidentally tuning into White Van Man radio stations that specialise in 'big shouts out' to biscuit factories and BNP supporting pram faced 'tards. I almost injure myself in the urgency to turn off 6 Music every morning when his show comes on. Horrid. What a tragedy for an otherwise promising station. Have I mentioned he's not very good by the way?