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Kate Mossman explains her teenage Queen obsession in the Word podcast - also contains suggestions for funeral music
Kate Mossman has been fascinated by Queen since she was 11. During the years when nobody else would give them the time of day she continued to carry a torch for them. In the latest issue of the magazine she finally gets to meet them. The resulting feature was described by one reader as "the best thing I've ever read in your magazine - and I'm not a Queen fan."
In the pod this week she describes how her obsession with the group and their music led her to reorganising entire family holidays so that she could, in the nicest possible way, stalk Roger Taylor, how she clung to her devotion even when her classmates were into Nirvana and how you can never assume that young people go along with what their generation appears to be going along with.
Plus: is picking the music for your own funeral the poor man's Desert Island Discs? And other stuff.
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What is it?
Picture of Kate, very nice. Freddie Mercury doll, well okay. But what is that picture on the calendar behind Kate's head? A dead flower? An enraged howler monkey? The wolfman? The Massive have a right to know!
*checks monkey atlas*
I believe it's a white-fronted capuchin.
My thanks
I appreciate the update, and shall rest easier now.
You truly are the font of all wisdom sir.
White-Fronted Capuchin
TMFTL
I'm a big Queen fan, though
I'm a big Queen fan, though my interest in them waned in inverse proportion to their popularity. I went to the Brick Lane exhibition in February and remember where I was when Freddie died in 1991. I also watched the 1992 wembley concert especially Extreme.
I look forward to listening to the podcast on the way to work!
Extreme
They were awful, weren't they?
Didn't they have a song called "Get The Funk Out"? Christ!
And their big hit "More Than Words" always struck me as sleaze masquerading as a pretty acoustic ballad.
Harsh
First album was not bad at all, second album Pornograffiti was actually rather spiffy. Then they disappeared up their own arse with album number 3:Three Sides to Every Story. Nice player, Nuno Bettencourt
More Than Words
Let's not forget that metal bands charting with ballads became something of a trend in the early 90s. For a year or two they were all at it: GNR, Mr. Big etc
I actually enjoyed Three Sides To Every Story. It was quite adventurous and a bit proggy to boot and as you say, Nuno is a fine guitarist..
Pornograffiti was a great album
Extreme at the height of their (albeit limited) powers.
The third album was complete cack though.
Agree
Pornograffiti, to suit a mood, is a righteous loud funky thing. I occasionally dig it out and really enjoy it. Twang Jr thinks it's terrific though some of the lyrics leave a little to be desired. "When I'm president" is a great laugh. It has rapping, it has howling guitar, it is a transglobal paen for world peace, it references Alice Cooper and it's a right fucking row. What more do you want?
Extreme
A purely technical band. A classic example of the mistaken belief that if you learn all the "chops" in terms of technique you can by definition learn to be a 'good' as your idols. Horrible clean, over-filtered and sterile sound. More Than Words was their best outing, and seemed to be a rare moment of emotional depth. But even that, very nearly ruined by that pointless moment of guitar masturbation tacked pointlessly on the end. Ridiculous.
So, err
You don't like it then?
all true
but on the day, they performed a creditable medley of Queen classics
I'm sorry Kate
But it's all over between us now.
Her grief
will know no bounds.
Queen were magnificent!
Their first two albums are rock classics. 'Sheer Heart Attack' brought them into mainstream rock and pop. 'A Night At The Opera' gave them global success. A lot of decent stuff came after that, but there were a few clunkers ('Jazz' and 'Hot Space') but 'A Kind Of Magic' and 'Innuendo' were excellent. But it is their live performances that made Queen special. I was at their free concert in Hyde Park in 1976 and saw them on their 'Night At The Opera' tour. They were superb live, with Freddie Mercury the perfect frontman. Their performance at Live Aid not only stole the show, but was a perfect example of Queen at their best in front of a large audience. I've yet to meet anyone who attended a Queen concert say they were rubbish. Those who doubt they were a class act should listen to their first two albums first. You'll almost certainly want to hear more.
Their Sun City gigs playing to whites-only were very poor
and morally bankrupt too
and Brian/Roger admit they
and Brian/Roger admit they were badly advised and wouldn't have done them had they known the real circumstances
So did Brian/Roger refund the 1000's of krugerands paid...
..after they realised they'd been paid big bucks to play a racist regime? They knew damn well what playing Sun City meant, and to knowingly break the 80's cultural boycott of playing Apartheit-era South Africa for a fat paycheque is one of the many reasons to loathe Queen
Sun City was not whites-only
and Queen were not the only western artists to play there. This is not to defend their decision, but to give it some context.
what context exactly?
How many non-whites could realistically afford concert tickets for Sun City back then ? Certainly not your average black South African. Any performer who broke the United Nations boycott by playing to whites-only audiences in South Africa at the height of apartheit just for the big bucks available was never to be trusted artistically again
(see also Frank Sinatra, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Tina Turner, etc )
I don't suppose it makes any difference
that, by South African standards, Freddie was technically non-white?
Probably not.
And you missed The Byrds off your list above. They played to segregated audiences in S.Africa in 1968. This lead to Gram Parsons quitting the band.
Roger McGuinn later paid lip service to the protests surrounding the tour by claiming that in some small way it had been an attempt to challenge SA's political status quo and protest against apartheid.
Wasn't John "Mr. Peace & Love" Lennon
considering moving to South Africa in the early 1970s. Around about the same time he was donating funds to the IRA. I think I read this in Peter Doggett's book which was lauded in these parts recently (don't have my copy to hand at the moment.)
An aside: Terry Scott and Kenny Lynch are at Pinewood Studios. Lynch is fooling around; Scott is probably having more gyp than usual from his legendary haemmorhoids. Scott turns to Lynch, looks him in the eye, and reportedly says, "I'm thinking of moving to South Africa, Ken. I'm told they have a sense of ORDER there."
I rate all Queen albums up
I rate all Queen albums up to and including Jazz and then they become too popular for my taste. Radio ga-ga for me is a low as is We are the champions - but they are very popular. The Miracle wasn't a bad album and Innuendo is a favourite - saving the best for last.
Saw them twice live - 1979 and 1981 at Birmingham NEC. At the first gig I remember them opening with Let me Entertain me - I was blown away!
I'm a bit baffled
that your taste excludes things because they're liked by too many people. You must really hate the beatles...
Yes
The logic behind a statement like that is hard to fathom. It implies a number of things. That you would prefer that what you like is exclusive only to you. And maybe a few others. That you are not happy when what you value is also valued by too many others.
The Psychology and motivation for a feeling like this is interesting. It suggests that you would be willing to abandon your own honest musical tastes and preferences because of a sudden lack of "exclusivity". Have to say it's all pretty nasty stuff when you think it through, and always baffled me. But more than that it suggests that you can never really have cared for the music in the first place.
Steady on chaps
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I'm sure andy didn't mean it exactly like that and I'm equally sure that none of us comes on this blog to be publically humiliated for what I'm guessing is just a slip of the typewriter key.
I hope I'm not the only one who is a little uncomfortable reading such vitriol.
Ok fair enough
It's not really "vitriol". More genuine curiosity. If I'm attacking anything it's not Mr andrewdavidlong's slip of the typewriter key as you so eloquently put it. It's the mistaken view that just because something has popularity, it must automatically be reduced in value in some way. If you have any faith in human nature surely, you would believe that the opposite was true.
Point taken
Again, I'm putting words in his mouth, but I assumed andy was referring to that rush of teenage angst we felt when our favourite band became public property.
Haven't we all been through that?
No vitriol
intended here, Moj; I was just a little bemused, that's all, and I was merely seeking clarification; truly.
Fair enough Pax
How about a group hug? ;-)
Well done. Now let's all agree Pornograffiti was a great album.
Can I just
pop my harlequin leotard on first?
They may also be the only people ever
to write a song about special relativity---here at Hyde Park in 76
I hate Queen.
But as long as Bono walks this world, I'm not sure if it's actual hatred which I feel really.
I feel nothing for Queen, either way...
...but this is the only funeral music that should ever matter: Arvo Part - Spiegel Im Spiegel
That is the only piece of music that I truly love...
but can't bear to listen to. It just affects me too much.
Fascinating clip - tram
Fascinating clip - tram drivers had a thankless job keeping out of the way (i know you cant when on rails) of passengers and cars. You can see why traffic lights and pedestrian crossings came about!
Next week's podcast: Middle aged men explain
their obsession for a certain female music journalist.
Here's a girl who would really understand why I rate Selling England by the Pound so much more highly than Nursery Cryme. Not like in my day. All they wanted to do was dance! I mean I didn't even care whether The Real Thing or Hot Chocolate were better. Anyway, where was I? Oh yes. Funeral Music. Or was that last week?
Seeing as Kate Mossman has already planned her funeral...
I hope I'm not amiss in suggesting that "She liked a puppet" should be her epitaph.
She is not alone in having had extreme musical obsessions. At the age of 14 I hid in a bush outside Pete Townshend's house and watched him drink a cup of tea.
Great stuff... and can I say I'm very disappointed in Fraser's choice for his send off. I was certain it would have been Cygnus X-1.
Wonderful podcast
It's always heart-warming to hear someone enthusing unashamedly about their musical obsessions (no matter who or what it is) and Kate's story was a delight.
I really can't fathom all the blind hatred for Queen that flies around the Blog. Whichever you look at it, they made some fabulous records, they were great at what they did and none but the most curmudgeonly could fail to be uplifted by the sight (and sound) of Freddie in full voice.
I agree with DH that the Queen singles constitute the very essence of the band and all you really need are the first two greatest hits CDs, plus selected tracks from the third.
Blind Hatred?
No blind hatred, they were just awful, end of.
Is that
the official line?
Or simply an opinion? ;-)
''whichever way you look at it they made some fabulous records''
er...would that be the official line or opinion?
Touche
You got me there ;-)
Fabulous:
adjective
1. almost impossible to believe; incredible.
In that case
I'll stick with the common usage interpretation of 'fabulous' :-)
I'm completely neutral on Queen myself...
...they never entered my consciousness one way or the other. But if the feeling is that there's no need for anything bar their singles then this sort of thing definitely doesn't need to be posted here (Queen at the crossroads of prog... before deciding to go another route after all):
Another reader says it
It really is the best article I have ever read in the magazine. NB. I don't really care about Queen one way or the other. But in terms of structure, insight and yer actual prose, this is an exceptionally well-crafted piece.
A terrific piece.
But I'm not going to say "I don't even like Queen", because I do. Because they wrote really good tunes and were tons of fun.
I have listened to every podcast
i will not listen to this.
I understand the premise and logic behind it.
But it's foundation is vile.
Sorry.
OOAA
"it's foundation is vile"?
Jeez...it's a podcast about somebody liking an 'uncool' popgroup when they were younger, not about a dalliance with feckin' necrophelia...
Bit of perspective, there's a good lad...
Oh.
Is necrophilia not alri...?
Never mind.
"Its foundation is vile"
YDFMM*. What a silly boy
*You don't fool me, Morrissey
No, it's just
Dead Boring.
ok
Hyperbole it was.
And it didn't look right when i re-read it today.
(it's questionable if i remember typing it)
But she already elaborated on the unhealthy obsession.
I used to shit my pants every day and grew out of it, it doesn't mean i need to discuss it at length.
Loving the schoolteacherish superiority in some of the reactions though, no doubt written by mature gentlemen who feels unquenchable compulsion to mention the Beatles in every thread here.
They remain vile.
i have to ask...
what does OOAA stand for?
(declaration of interest - I am not a schoolteacher)
I think
it's "Other Opinions Are Available", i.e. somewhat similar to YMMV, or "Your Mileage May Vary".
Of course!
Thanks Malc. My own version being 'Potayto Potahto'!
Who says it was unhealthy?...
She certainly doesn't.
The music scene runs almost completely on fandom and obsession, and I found her particular fandom touching.
Good on her for sharing.
I'd engage with you more aggressively mr drilltime if I didn't suspect that you were about 14.
I'd gladly indulge
in a healthy exchange of unalterable opinion.
But i suspect you are over fifty and i may outpace you.
I am happy for my last post to stand without the word unhealthy and have altered it accordingly.
Aggresively?
Equal parts patronising and offensive i'd say.
54 actually...
now go to bed.
You've probably got prep in the morning.
I'm on nightshift
and you shouldn't take things to heart or so seriously.
We never had prep in the kind of schools people like me went to.
I don't take anything seriously...
..but I wouldn't mind a reason why you think the concept is "vile"
It's such a strong word.
Ok
Perspective.
Queen are pretty much the antithesis of everything i enjoy in life and music.
Many others here have elaborated on the reasons they dislike them and i share many of their opinions.
We can discuss the merits of the use of words like "vile", "evil" or "despicable" till the cows need milked.
I'm not going to grandstand myself to death over it.
It is , after all, an opinion.
I almost wish i'd never got involved.
Almost.
Fun podcast
I thought , despite my being indifferent (if even slightly adverse ) to Queen. The main point Kate Mossman is making is that not all teenagers listen (or listened?) to their contemporary pop but discover other sounds by themselves: in my case, listening to 60's pysch-pop in the 1980s rather than Spandau Ballet. Good stuff.
Bobcats
I was fortunate to benefit from Dylan's wish not to see the same old bastards down the front at his Brixton run in 2005.
Was about half way down the side of the venue in the queue and just after the doors opened, one of the side doors opened and we were ushered in and let go down the front. The people at thge front of the queue were held back in the lobby until a good amount of us were in place before they were let in. Despite their rather violent shoving, cursing and complaints to the security they weren't going to annoy his Zimmyness that night.
I eventually went back a bit as I didn't want to be THAT close to the old goat
This is for all the Queen haters
Norma Waterson - Reply to Joe Haines
Joe Haines is a journalist who wrote a nasty article about Freddie Mercury right after his death. The song is a reaction to that article. Written by Lal Waterson. From the 1999 album The Very Thought of You by Norma Waterson.
Norma Waterson - Love Of My Life
Hearing 'Reply to Joe Haines'...
prompted me to order the album, so thanks for that. I've been fortunate enough to meet Norma Waterson and she is as lovely a woman as she is a wonderfully expressive singer.
My pleasure
It's a lovely album and worth having for the Queen cover alone. But it also contains sensitive covers of songs by Richard Thompson (Al Bowley's In Heaven) and John Martyn (Solid Air)
On Jimmy Webb
I suppose that I am close to obsession but not quite there where Mr Webb is concerned - I was definitely at several of those Ronnie Scotts gigs but not in the front row and I don't recall his comment.
Kate's comments do beg the questuion though, why do I go again and again to see him perform when I know that the set list and even the between-song patter is going to be as near the same as dammit on every occasion? Easy. 1. He won't be around forever and I would regret missing the "last" concert forever. 2. He might, just might, play something different to the same old same old, and then I would regret missing that forever too. 3. It is still great to hear those wonderful songs.
I guess that many others will empathise with this predicament I find myself in.
Yes
maybe it's because there's a finite number of times you can see these people in the flesh before they retire, and every appearance is special, so why ration yourself? We never ration ourselves listening to their records, or even watching DVDs and YouTube clips – so to be abstemious about seeing the real thing live feels a bit perverse!
One for Miss Mossman's
'dear Santa' list in due course !
http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/queen-live-at-wembley-stadium-25t...
rock that hawaian shirt!
i've never liked Queen at
i've never liked Queen at all, but that article has made me look on them a little more kindly. Brilliantly done
I resolutely refused to have my melon twisted
When I was a teen I was listening to Genesis and King Crimson. All the cool kids were into The Happy Mondays and The Stone Roses, who I hated on principle. In retrospect they were great, and the scene around them looks like it would have been fun, so now I wish I'd listened to them, but not to the exclusion of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway and Lizard.
The whole thrust of this item seems to be
"How weird that ANYONE could actually have liked Queen! I mean I can understand someone following Springsteen round for years. Like a kind of weird lapdog with an undefined sexual preference, being denied interviews. But Queen! With all their musicianship! With their idea of genuine melody and musical knowledge! They were clearly so rubbish - what on earth could have caused this?
Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. I think the fact that Ms Mossman liked Queen in the face of fashion, as a first step towards musical appreciation, is a fairly good musical character reference. Shows that she is likely to have some basic clue. Sorry bout that.
I love Queen..
Loved them from Queen 11, which came out when I was about 17 all the way through to "News Of The World" went off them a bit after that except for the odd moment.
Never really understood the bile that this band attracts.
Is that
extra vile bile, or just the ordinary kind?
Do we need to post our opinion on Queen in our profile?
I've been posting here for a little while now, and I'm surprised what strong feelings Queen generate. Perhaps we should post where we stand in our profile so it can save some time.
So in the spirit of full disclosure:
Queen: really like their 70s stuff, not so keen on their 80s stuff.
And to complete the picture:
Beatles Album: Revolver
ABBA: Dark-haired one
Biscuit: Mint Viscount
Prog Rock: I like Rush, does that count?
Folk Rock: I like Nick Drake, does that count?
To tie up the
two main subjects of the podcast, when my Uncle died one of the songs at his funeral was You're My Best Friend.
That song means a lot, the rest file under: Play when drunk.
Ok
Perspective.
Queen are pretty much the antithesis of everything i enjoy in life and music.
Many others here have elaborated on the reasons they dislike them and i share many of their opinions.
We can discuss the merits of the use of words like "vile", "evil" or "despicable" till the cows need milked.
I'm not going to granstand myself to death over it.
It is , after all, an opinion.
I almost wish i'd never got involved.
Almost.
Deja Vu All Over Again
Haven't I seen a similar post somewhere before?
Seems like it was only yesterday, yesterday.....yesterday..............(dissolve into zig-zags with harp arpeggios - whoops).
I read Kate's Queen feature online
and agree it was a heart-warming piece, beautifully written. The weak links were May and Taylor, however.
Their responses seemed reserved and jaded and didn't come close to matching Kate's wonderfully enthusiastic tales of teenage obsession. May's Rory Gallagher story was the closest either of them came to letting their guard down throughout.
On the other hand, there’s no reason why we should expect them to play the game at this stage, especially after the years of abuse they received at the hands of the music press.
I'm amazed that they agreed to it at all.
Their reserved response may possibly have had something to do with the expectation that they would most likely be misrepresented. In classic Queen style.
This is after all The Word Magazine. Whatever Ms Mossmans guiltily expressed enthusiasm for their work, they may possibly have had a shred of awareness that there are those working at the same mag, who have spent the better part of 25 years trying to denigrate their intelligence and also their undeniable skill at every available opportunity. An uncomfortable experience.
Neither here nor there on Queen...
.. but truly terrific piece. Deserved the longer format. Well done all.