Just plain wrongness

What is the most controversial musical opinion you've ever encountered?

I mean, I'm all for questioning recieved wisdom and being open minded to other people's veiws but sometimes I have to go outside and cool down when someone says something stupid in a pub debate about bands or I won't be held responsible for my actions.

A freind of mine once, in all seriousness, suggested that UB40 were superior to Bob Marley, who he dismissed as 'just pop'.

An ex girlfreind insisted throughout our relationship that Freddie Mercury couldn't sing.

Although apparently I am also capable of such infuriating opinions. I have often been pilloried for my stubborn assertion that Cast were the finest Britpop band.

Ever felt the urge to lamp someone because they claimed to prefer Madonna's version of American Pie, or thought Blaze Bayley was superior to Bruce Dickinson?

Freddie:

But he couldn't!
And Brian May can't play guitar.
(OK, they clearly can or could, but neither well)

Retropath2 | 2 July 2008 - 11:18am

In what sense can Brian May not play the guitar well?

Or indeed Freddie not sing well?

matthew | 2 July 2008 - 12:04pm

Brian May's three big mistakes

1. Believing that a Stickybackplastocaster sounds better than a real guitar.
2. Believing that a sixpence sounds better than a real plectrum.
3. Believing that this was even remotely in tune:

Archie Valparaiso | 2 July 2008 - 12:47pm

Brian May's only REALLY SERIOUS mistake.

His hairdresser.

Vulpes Vulpes | 2 July 2008 - 12:52pm

what about clogs?

.....

Chris G | 2 July 2008 - 12:55pm

However

1 and 2: Partly because of the fireplace and the sixpence, Brian May is one of only a handful of guitarists with a truly original sound.

3: Nothing wrong with the tuning there. It's a good solo. I like the harmonies.

And I'll leave it there before this becomes the 'Queen are rubbish' 'No they're not' discussion again.

Oh, too late.

matthew | 2 July 2008 - 1:03pm

Retropath2...

.. you don't have long blond hair, a couple of spare tyres and a gift for overdramatisation do you perchance? You're my infuriating Freddie hating ex aren't you!

Niks | 2 July 2008 - 12:10pm

I will admit to 1 out of 3

But my tyres are bald and so am I (ish)
(Funny, could have sworn I have already sent this.....)

Retropath2 | 2 July 2008 - 1:04pm

wisdom of crowds

several thousand people here all seem to under the mistaken impression that Freddy can sing and that the rest of the band are quite good too.


Chris G | 2 July 2008 - 12:13pm

Ah but

that's Live Aid so very few of them are actually music lovers.

I think Freddie's problem was the fact it was all gusto and little emotion. So I never quite 'felt' it.

I think Brian May is sound though and the Queen guitar sound was always more to my taste than the singing. The One Vision riff rocks.

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 12:29pm

I presume they were all fans of cricket then

I know this music fan tried to get tickets and failed. T'old Queen may not be to your taste but they could sing a nd play by any imperical scale you care to mention that includes getting 20,000 poeple to wave their arms in the air and make jolly noises....

Chris G | 2 July 2008 - 12:34pm

Probably not all fans of cricket

but definately not all music fans either. It was a charity event first and foremost. Top marks for stagecraft and gusto. Less for making me believe he means what he says.

And wasn't the massed ranks doing the Radio Ga Ga handclps type stuff just a bit ironic?

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 12:45pm

there's a whiff of rocksnob here...

I appreciate that Queens output has never gone down well with (I'd think) a significant proportion of the parishioners here, but to be quite honest, there's no doubt that Fred and Co were quite accomplished musicians and that, live arena aside, he could certainly hold a tune.

Whether you believe what a singer has to say or not is largely a moot point; i'm not entirely sure that Noel Cowerd was completely serious that Mrs Worthingtons young 'un shouldn't be allowed near a stage either, but that's not to detract from the song. Or the singer.

ivan | 2 July 2008 - 12:55pm

to true Ivan

and let's not forget that Brian was into cool Japenese animation monster shows way before your cool as mints shoreditch types. i think we had the 10" at our house * goes back to air guitaring whilst eating butties" *


Chris G | 2 July 2008 - 1:00pm

Does it help my case

as I don't like Noel Coward as well? Same stuff - bit theatrical and not convincing.

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 1:08pm

no - i'm saying that the original assertion

made by somebody else, that freddie couldn't hold a note is plainly wrong. You appeared to back it up, or chime in agreement, on the basis you didn't like his performances as they didn't seem sincere. And i'm saying that sincerity has the thick end of bog all to do with tunefulness.

He may well leave you cold, and that's perfectly fine. Honestly. But attempting to make an pronunciation on something relatively objective as the skill/musicianship of a person based *entirely* on the subjective viewpoint that it doesn't 'move' you is faintly ridiculous.

that's all i'm getting at. Like i say - i don't expect many here to say 'Queen were great' but if you're going so say 'Freddie Mercury couldn't sing', then base it on, well, an instance where it was demonstrable that this was the case - not on an instance where his singing didn't 'connect' with you.

Oh - and Noel Cowerd is shit anyway...

ivan | 2 July 2008 - 1:16pm

Its based on it being an art though

And music is an art form. And there are plenty of very profficient artists whose work doesn't emote in all art forms. Hockney, for example (keep it Yorkshire) does not paint lifelike, realistic replications of his subjects. But the man can paint like no other in my humble. Freddie can sing. So can Mariah Carey. Neither of them have enough soul to make me rate them.

My original point is a bunch of people at a charity gig at Wembley were not a sound test of musical quality. If they were, they wouldn't have cheered Duran Duran's performance which I recall they did.

I think we are in agreement (and not just about Noel Coward)

Dons helmet for the Noel Coward backlash...

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 1:41pm

oh you're safe dissing Noel Cowerd.

Pet Shop Boys are untouchables, tho...so if you've any thoughts about Neil Tennants voice, i'd keep schtum!

ivan | 2 July 2008 - 2:10pm

Neil Tennant's voice? Dissable?

The Al Stewart of synthpop?
Heaven forfend.

Retropath2 | 2 July 2008 - 2:14pm

Neil Tennant

emotes so he's alright by me.

And I know it's a thin line.

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 2:26pm

And whoever suggested that Al Stewart

The Neil Tennant of bedsitter-singer-songwritership couldn't?
Talking of thin lines, if John Jones (Oysterband), Neil Tennant and Ian Hislop went for a walk in a wind tunnel, who would have the more hair?

Retropath2 | 2 July 2008 - 2:38pm

The Wind Tunnel?

Certainly at the end of the walk at least.

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 3:17pm

i agree totally (wow...) on NT

in that i like his voice and love their music...and to bring this thread full circle - an ex of mine said she thought his voice was crap. And that he couldn't sing...

ivan | 2 July 2008 - 3:51pm

Remember the Torrin

You've both obviously not seen "in which we serve" top flight Noel action, I suggest you make a large Bovirl laced with lots of rum, sit down and enjoy you can listen to "Hammer to fall" afterwards ;)

Chris G | 2 July 2008 - 1:43pm

Blimey

Not sure what I am most afraid of - Noel Coward action, Bovril & Rum or Hammer to Fall. Probably the NC action (double entendre alarm goes off).

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 2:28pm

Never mind any of the tosh above.

Freddie was a Godlike vocal genius. Get used to it.

Anyone who thinks otherwise will be strapped to an armchair and forced to listen to the Freddie tribute concert over and over again until, sobbing, they admit that NONE of the chancers who had a go that day could hold a candle to his original performances.

I will not hear any criticism of Mr Mercury, and that's that.

Vulpes Vulpes | 3 July 2008 - 6:34pm

The chancers

are even worse I agree. But Freddie is basically the Russell Watson of Rock and I would die in that chair rather than let the lie that I rate him pass my lips.

Leedsboy | 4 July 2008 - 11:42am

Chancers?

I thought Seal was a cut above the others and did a lovely version of, admittedly, one of Freddies better sung warblings. I even recall getting something in my eye.

Retropath2 | 4 July 2008 - 11:48am

Wilco

At a Wilco gig in the Astoria few years back, a tiresome bellend was holding forth behind me on how bad they were. I snapped when he pronounced to his companion 'Of course, they're just copying the Strokes'.
Wilco were playing one of their New Yoik hipsterish tunes 'Poor Places' at the time.

Jon | 2 July 2008 - 11:26am

I get to see a lot of people in the course of my day...

...and a fair number will casually mention minutiae of music, and so often are woefully wrong. I have learnt just to smile interestedly. One woman was yesterday telling me how much she enjoyed Glastonbury on the telly, saying it was her ambition to return there, having been to one of the first ones, when Billy Fury, Carl Wayne and the Vikings and the pre-cursor of the Spencer Davis Group were all playing. Much as it sounds that she may have an interesting history of early Brumbeat, I somehow feel she is a tad muddled in her memory, as they all seem to well pre-date Glastonbury Fayre. Mind you, they wouldn't expect me to know any better, why would a man in my position etc etc.
(Position? Currently upright, sitting on chair, seeing as you ask.)

Retropath2 | 2 July 2008 - 11:59am

My mate insists

That the Far Corporation's version of Stairway to Heaven was better than Zep's. I, of course disagreed but only from the point that neither was good but that the Far Corporation had managed to murder an already dead song.

(puts helmet on and waits for Zep related flak).

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 12:32pm

Far from being controvertial

the notion that Stairway is crap seems to be de rigeur in many music circles. A lot of former NME journalists seem to be prone to this form of inverted music snobbery, and not just limited to Stairway.

The problem with me saying this, of course, is that there must be plenty of people who genuinely don't rate the song, but it's undeniably a hack opinion in some circles.

FraserM | 2 July 2008 - 12:45pm

Ditto "I'm Not In Love"

If it hadn't been No. 1 for, ooh, eighteen months, I'm convinced 10 C.C. would be generally considered nowadays to have been the true successors of the Beatles. And certainly *the* Manchester band, instead of those ridiculous two brothers.

Archie Valparaiso | 2 July 2008 - 12:50pm

Me = pedant

10cc = Stockport band

badartdog | 2 July 2008 - 1:12pm

Spot on

Same with The Hollies another Stockport band nicked by those bastard Mancs!! Lets start a thread.

bingham | 2 July 2008 - 1:42pm
Nodge1970 | 2 July 2008 - 2:23pm

Its more a Zep thing for me

Just can't get beyond liking a few. Have really tried but it's all a bit shouty/beaty and not enough tune. Kashmir is of course truly brilliant and have always rather liked the one when he goes on about his baby leaving.

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 1:02pm

Stairway

Its overplayed, overhyped, overheated and gong back for a quick listen, it's still shit. As every true Rock Snob knows Led Zep one is the true dogs bollocks.

bingham | 2 July 2008 - 1:45pm

See...

(and I'm aware I'm in danger of sounding like a huge Zep apologist, which I'm actually not) I grant that lots of records are overplayed, overhyped and overheated, and I'll grant you that Stairway certainly matches the first two (I'm not entirely sure what you mean by 'overheated') but I honestly don't think that genuinely shit records remain overplayed and overhyped thirty five years on.

If they get rolled out once in a blue moon and everyone rolls their eyes, don't they?

FraserM | 2 July 2008 - 3:05pm

Stairway to Heaven, a generational thing

heard Mark Ellen on the podcast once where he talked about being a LZ fan from the early days then thought it all went tits up with LZ IV ... meanwhile anyone who came of age - or got interested in music - around '76/'77 was punky -

so I'd guess that left a short window of opportunity for people born in the early '60s who were appalled by the charts and looking for something deep'n'meaningless to provide a mooning adolescent soundtrack to their lives around the early to mid '70s and for them (okay, for us) Stairway to Heaven was ideal ... we missed the early LZ records and no longer wished to identify with TOTP and its showcasing of Blue Mink and Kenny Rogers

and yes, that bit where the drums come in still makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up (although i listen to it very seldom these days)

Glenbervie | 20 July 2008 - 9:33am

A friend once purchased a Limp Bizkit CD

And I can't think of anything more "wrong" than that!

Nodge1970 | 2 July 2008 - 12:44pm

The Bizkit

their cover of George Michael's Faith was inspired and I really have to say that Take a Look Around was a quite phenomenal song at the time.
Yes Fred Durst is a prize dickhead but I saw them live when Wes Borland was still with them and he was a fantastic guitarist - he left citing 'musical differences' and the band went swiftly downhill.

Niks | 2 July 2008 - 1:04pm

There's me with a marvellous record collection

then I met my other half, who proceeds to dislike anything good like Bjork, PJ Harvey, Pixies, New Order, Dinosaur Jr, Portishead, Kraftwerk etc and then goes and buys a f***ing Pigeon Detectives album

They were also quite cheesed off when I 'gave away the ending' to Control.

lovelyian | 2 July 2008 - 12:48pm

Ending to Control

I heard that the big ship sank and only the rich people got to life rafts. Or was it that the attractive girl was a bloke. Or that Bruce Willis was dead all along.

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 12:59pm

no hooky

finds his sledge in the shed and he and steve Morris wander off in the fog to join the resistance

Chris G | 2 July 2008 - 1:20pm

Your Girlfriend

sounds spot on to me - does she have any other redeeming features eh eh?
I would argue with anyone that Brian May is not a very accomplished guitarist at all. He uses the same tone for most solos and pretty much same notes played at varying tempos. One exception was the solo in Killer Queen.

Anyone who doesnt like Elvis Costello irritates me which includes all of my offspring, my wife and many of my friends. What the hell do they know?

Steve Turner | 2 July 2008 - 1:06pm

Well, yes

I also like to cause havoc on a writers digest list claiming that Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen aren't all that. Which isn't true, as I quite like the Bruce and had an unexpected epiphany to Nebraska when enjoying some soup in a pub.

lovelyian | 2 July 2008 - 1:13pm

And in "Killer Queen" . . .

when he did try to play different notes, he couldn't hit them (see/hear above).

Archie Valparaiso | 2 July 2008 - 1:39pm

It's not Elvis

Its his voice

bingham | 2 July 2008 - 1:47pm

No, they regenerate into Norman Wisdom

And then one of the characters realises she was a time lord all along despite the fact her name and profession translated as 'Lady Time Lord'

lovelyian | 2 July 2008 - 1:10pm

Oooh oooh oooh!

I just remembered the time when I lived with an absolute freak who maintained M People were the epitome of recorded sound. He played me their version of Roxy's Avalon (imagine the worst thing ever, and treble it, such was the horror), so I played him the original, which he claimed wasn't as good.

lovelyian | 2 July 2008 - 1:17pm

Nearly every day

Spend a lunchtime at work with us in the company of our colleague Graham and you can pretty much be guaranteed a musical opinion that is certainly contentious and usually fairly uninformed but none the less entertaining as we try and offer evidence for the defence.

Our favourite is still "the only Thunder Road that matters is the one John Travolta drove down in Grease" when we were attempting to mount a case for Bruce Springsteen. Followed by his opinion of Bob Dylan’s cover of "Mr Tambourine Man".

Today for example – discussing the free CDs that get given away with the Mail on Sunday leads onto Paul McCartney's solo work (dismissed in its' entirety by Graham, citing "Pipes of Peace", "Mull of Kintyre" and the Frog Chorus as evidence), which then led onto Stevie Wonder – "why is he such a legend ? he hasn't done anything of worth since "Signed Sealed Delivered I’m Yours". So the Stevie Wonder box set is to be lent to him tomorrow.

In fairness, he’s always grateful when we lend him CDs that he hasn’t heard before (eg "Dark Side of the Moon", "Ziggy Stardust", "Revolver", "Sgt Pepper"...)

Simon Hoyle | 2 July 2008 - 1:26pm

Brrrr

My old flatmate's name was Graham

lovelyian | 2 July 2008 - 1:33pm

Radiohead

I get reguarly chastised by people for 'not getting' Radiohead. Listened to the new album the other day - it was alright but then I also maintain Adorable should have been one the biggest bands ever.

Jamie_Bowman | 2 July 2008 - 1:36pm

Radiohead

were dismissed as 'alright, but I can't sympathise because the singer is so ugly'

lovelyian | 2 July 2008 - 1:42pm

Ighters

This short little tale doesn't really belong here but bear with me .

My wife and I have differing tastes in music. Differing not being a strong enough word perhaps. Now and again though they do meet up very nicely. Some time ago I was listening to 'One by One' by the Foo Fighters and my good lady seemed diverted by it. She eventually said 'Hmmm, this is alright. What's it called?'

'One by One' I said, mildly surprised.

'Who's it by?' she asked further.

'The Foo Fighters' I said.

Long pause, then in a small voice,

'What's a Foof?'

Made my day.

Carry on.

Andy_B | 2 July 2008 - 1:47pm
Glenbervie | 20 July 2008 - 9:37am

Good God

Thanks Glenbervie.

I've told the wife.

This remains the finest blog in this current life.

Andy_B | 14 August 2008 - 2:20pm

It's another world

Think I deseve a Beany Treat in Beantown

Beany | 14 August 2008 - 2:27pm

I love Queen...

...don't care who knows it. More genuinely enjoyable to me than hundreds of po-faced indie rock groups. Also enjoy a lot of Paul McCartney's solo albums.

I was told by friends a few years back how amazing The Strokes and The Libertines were. All I heard was a lot of dull pub rock with not terribly good songwriting. Wasn't just my friends though- it seemed like the whole of the music press went ga ga for them at one point.

JJ | 2 July 2008 - 1:48pm

I get liking Queen

but love? One hopes your not monogamous to them. That would be too awful.

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 2:32pm

The Strokes...

Possibly the dictionary definition of mediocre. They were to rock what Steve Guttenburg was to comedy. Unoriginal, uninspiring and they were everywhere.

Still don't understand.

FraserM | 2 July 2008 - 3:08pm

Top quality

The Strokes are a rock Steve Guttenburg. Bang on.

Leedsboy | 2 July 2008 - 3:33pm

Absolutely...

To be honest though, I didn't know whether to feel sorry for them or not when there was such a sea change upon the release of 'First Impressions Of Earth', it was a hit but like 'Be Here Now' few seemed to like it much (the aforementioned friends who were into the band didn't and the reviews weren't kind either). I don't think they could get arrested now.

JJ | 2 July 2008 - 3:46pm

You're wrong...

The first album is amazing and totally kicked the UK music scene up the arse. Say what you like about them and the Libertines but they got a whole generation of kids going to gigs, playing guitars etc and it's all about the kids innit?

Jamie_Bowman | 2 July 2008 - 4:24pm

Devil's avocado

I'm rather fond of telling people that the Fat Elvis was infinitely superior to his thinner, younger self - a view that's caused people to choke on their pints in shock on a couple of occasions, and that's BEFORE they realise that I'm actually serious and I really do believe it...

davejnick | 2 July 2008 - 5:44pm

Agreed

If I Can Dream is better than anything that came out of Sun Studios. Fat Elvis rules.

Fraser Lewry | 2 July 2008 - 5:49pm

I'm with you, sort of..

...I dislike the received rock critic wisdom that everything Elvis did after the 1950s was not worth bothering with. My favourite Elvis material all comes after that- not just the 1960 'Elvis Is Back' album but also the much later 'From Elvis In Memphis' and 'Elvis Country'. He did some great stuff for the rest of thr 70s too- the Stax sessions he did produced some gems. The only part of Elvis' career I really dislike are the vast majority of the films and their soundtrack albums.

JJ | 2 July 2008 - 5:50pm

received rock critic wisdom

Yes but these very "rock critic" opinions are continually revisited and chewed over and revised by critics and music lovers alike. I love re-visiting material that you once thought might have been naff and finding out it is rather great after all... although I think some of the revised wisdom such as the praising of "Tales of" era Yes is to my ears doubtful. It still sounds rubbish, but then again it will always come down to "to each his own". Happy listening!!

bingham | 2 July 2008 - 9:43pm

Beatles

I used to work with someone whose favourite band was The Bootleg Beatles, and who he always insisted were "better than The Beatles".

Indus | 2 July 2008 - 7:32pm

It's true...

The Bootleg Beatles do an excellent stage show of Sgt Pepper and songs from the White Album.

Not even The Beatles had the balls to try those!

Nodge1970 | 3 July 2008 - 9:23am

Bjorn Again.

Better than Abba. There, I've said it. Don't like Abba. Never did. Saw Bjorn Again at Guilfest some years ago. Fabulous, especially when they do cover versions ofsongs in the style of Abba.

Retropath2 | 3 July 2008 - 9:31am

Can't agree...

..but I can see the basis of the argument. We're never going to see the Beatles in a live setting, no-one has since 1966, and my experience of the Bootlegs is that they are stunning live, and even perform material that the Beatles themselves never did. However, are the Bootlegs songwriting geniuses who revolutionised modern music and changed the face of pop?

Rich

PS - the answer is no, by the way.

AgentGraves | 3 July 2008 - 9:31am

Tom Waits

Was great up to Swordfishtrombones. All downhill after that.

And Pink Floyd were rubbish until they kicked Barratt out and got Gilmour in.

Paul Waring | 2 July 2008 - 7:35pm

Mmmmmm

Foreign Affairs and Blue Valentine are great to these ears and "Orphans" is awesome. I cant draw the line so easily with our Tom.

Pipers is the only great Floyd album. Meddle is good. The rest sound like rather plodding Dave Gilmour "epic" guitar solos and dollops of Roger's rather dumb Spinal Tappy concepts. Just my humble opinion off course.

bingham | 2 July 2008 - 9:51pm

I agree......

....sort of!

After Rain Dogs, Swordfishtrombones and Franks Wild Years, he's gone downhill.......but very slowly downhill! I admit that there are quite a few of his songs that I just don't get after this period, but he's still much closer to the top of that hill than the bottom.

I like Pink Floyds early years best. I have the video of "Live At Pompeii" and I hate it. As Kasey Chambers says "their music hurts my ears".

bigsteviecook | 2 July 2008 - 10:03pm

music press now touting this lot:

as a great new band! That CAN'T be right...they're not even as good/bad as Queen :(

dannyboy3000 | 2 July 2008 - 9:20pm

Oi Dannyboy!

I watched the whole shebang to see who the group are - but it did not say (and neither did you).

I NEED TO KNOW - so I can run a mile if their name comes up in conversation. Yes, they grate.

Beany | 2 July 2008 - 9:56pm

37 seconds

Couldn't take any more of it.

Please, please, PLEASE tell us who they are so that if we ever see them in the street we can take the appropriate evasive action.

davejnick | 2 July 2008 - 10:56pm

Wild Beasts

new band on Domino. Don't have any axe to grind with them but was shocked at how awful it is. Getting AMAZING reviews!!

dannyboy3000 | 6 July 2008 - 8:43pm

I think you're all horrid

It's a sign of what lovely people the band are (Wild Beasts, apparently) that the band were prepared to stick with the singer even after the trachaeotomy.

FraserM | 2 July 2008 - 11:10pm

Right or wrong

You decide

http://www.box.net/shared/static/p0tx2shwk8.mp3

The Polka Floyd Show - Breathe/Time

It rocks my boat 8>}

Beany | 2 July 2008 - 11:33pm

I'm reminded

of the time i was working in a record shop when one afternoon i decided to put on a bit of Bowie (i forget which one now). Not 5 mins into the the album the store manager came charging out and demanded to know what was playing and who put it on, i told him it was David Bowie and that i put it on, i will never forget the words he used to chastise me. "don't you ever play David 'no ones ever heard of me' Bowie again in my shop.

To be fair to him it was before Bowie was really popular i think it was 1996!

stew72 | 2 July 2008 - 11:36pm

one more before bed

I was once asked why the Rolling Stones would cover a band like the soup dragons.

stew72 | 2 July 2008 - 11:38pm

Okay, beats mine:

I came out of a showing of Clockwork Orange to hear a knowledgeable sounding chap say that he thought it was "very Tarantinoesque".

And a former housemate came back from a festival featuring New Order, wondering why they had covered Love Will Tear Us Apart.

Eugenics, anyone?

samfid | 3 July 2008 - 7:07am

Hmmm...

...if New Order do 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', isn't it technically a cover of a Joy Division song?

Rich

AgentGraves | 3 July 2008 - 9:34am

Eugenics?

I liked their early stuff with Conny Plank before they got famous, and when the great Clem Burke was knocking the bejasus out of their drumstool.

Retropath2 | 3 July 2008 - 7:43am

Van Morrison or Michael Buble? You decide!

Moondance? At my work the preferred version is by Mr Buble.

Cookieboy | 3 July 2008 - 10:18am

I saw him perform it live

I waited all night for Buble to perform Moondance. I expected it to be the absolute highlight of the show. Unfortunately it was flat and lifeless. As is the studio recording in comparison to Morrison's original.

LOUDspeaker | 3 July 2008 - 10:24am

Eight Miles High

by Dave Stewart & Barbara Gaskin. It IS a better version than The Byrds IMHO. Don't you agree?

http://www.myspace.com/davestewartbarbaragaskin

Beany | 3 July 2008 - 10:26am

Nearly as good as Jamie Cullum's Wind Cries Mary

I'll wager.
Ute Lemper, severe deutscher chantoozie, does a version of Moondance that you know should be good and probably even may be, but irredeeemably spoilt by images of Olivier in Marathon Man. "Is it safe?" Just too germanic by far, a problem I too can't get over with Nico: "zis is de end"
How is it that singing with a french accent* is sexy and fine, yet german just off-puttingly scary?
*Joe le Taxi, a slight song by any reckoning, yet.....

Retropath2 | 3 July 2008 - 10:29am

Not a commonly held view

"Ahh, Wings, the band the Beatles could have been." - Alan Partridge.

On The Fence | 3 July 2008 - 3:14pm

Can't Get There From Here

I held a dinner party some years ago, for part of the evening at least Nat 'King' Cole's Where Did Everybody Go album was on the stereo.

At the table, one of the guests announced that whilst Nat Cole was OK, Marillion were better.

Duh?

kinkywolfgang | 3 July 2008 - 3:26pm

Just Wrong

The worst band I ever saw were Rothko, supporting Porcupine Tree. 3 bass guitars. Nothing else. Just wrong.

Looked them up and according to their sales link;

"London-based Post-Rock legends Rothko create a sublime sound that operates in and around the blurred boundaries between beauty and chaos."

No! Between crap and double-crap.

Sorry to Rothko fans out there. I feel better now.

Beany | 3 July 2008 - 3:44pm

One bass best.

Even 2 as is occasionally found is wrong. And none, likewise, at least when an electric guitar and drums are also around. Even with a clever keyboard merchant playing the bass pedals, viz Winwood, Manzarek and, arguably, him out of Keane, it is just wrong wrong wrong. Bassists provide the undertow and, often, visual amusement.
And as for the White Stripes, pah, White Shites more like it.

Retropath2 | 3 July 2008 - 3:49pm

Figaro!

I always thought that The Brotherhood Of Man were rather good, whilst Abba were the band from hell.

kinkywolfgang | 3 July 2008 - 4:07pm

Swerve

I have to confess I thought the Verve were rubbish but Ashcroft's solo stuff was marvellous. I'll probably get a shoeing even from RA now that the V are back in harness....

gunnerboy | 3 July 2008 - 4:40pm

Girls and Boys

Abba? pffft!...
Brotherhood of Man? piffle!...

Bucks Fizz! Now there's a band! Mighty Ian Bairnson guitar riffs, Andy Hill's melodic pop sensibilities and (occasionally) the well-crafted words of Pete Sinfield all behind 4 voices from the heavens...

DavyT | 4 July 2008 - 2:56am

All mere tribute acts in disguise. . .

merely aping the envelope-pushing magnificence of the Guys 'n' Dolls/Dollar franchise.

Thereza Bazar: Word cover star. You know it makes sense!

Archie Valparaiso | 4 July 2008 - 8:03am

Bardo, One Step Closer

Dollar, Abba, Bucks Fizz, Guys & Dolls - Nowt!

Bardo. They came 7th in the Eurovision of '82. Quality!

Nearly as good as the wonderful Brotherhood of Man.

By the way, I have in my collection a picture disc 7" of the above record. Can any readers beat that?

kinkywolfgang | 4 July 2008 - 9:43am

Pfft!!!

Blonde On Blonde's version of Whole Lotta Love. A picture disc featuring Jilly Johnson & Nina Carter. Watch the record being played here (it's not my film clip - I'm not THAT much of an anorak)

Is this what the internet was invented for?


Beany | 4 July 2008 - 10:16am

No, but. . .

I suspect that Mr Ellen has now solved his cover star problem. I've just learned that both Thereza Bazar* and David Van Day have recently turned 50!

* Are there any popsterettes/actresses with oh-so-exotic z's in their names who aren't blondes? Pia Zadora, Charlize Theron, Jay-Z. . . . (Best check that last one - Ed.)

Archie Valparaiso | 4 July 2008 - 10:18am

ZZZZZZZZZZ

Liza Minelli
Elizabeth Dawn (Vera Duckworth)
Valerie Zingleton

Beany | 4 July 2008 - 10:22am

Nice try but. . .

Liza had to remind people it was with a "z" not an "s". She doesn't count.
And Liz Dawn is blonde:
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The hypothesis holds.

Archie Valparaiso | 4 July 2008 - 10:29am

More, more, more (how'd you like it)

The more we hear from Archie, or is it Gregory (Corso), the more I appreciate his limitless knowledge of 70s rubbish music (some of which is really rather good, but I hope you know what I mean). Astonishing recall to detail. Either a very misspent youth or a pristine collection of Disc and Musical Echo.

Retropath2 | 4 July 2008 - 10:24am

Simple explanation

Thereza was produced by Trevor Horn and Arif Mardin. She's deeply cool.

Next up for re-evaluation: Lynsey de Paul. (Sugar me? Who wouldn't, son, who wouldn't. . .)

Archie Valparaiso | 4 July 2008 - 10:33am
LOUDspeaker | 4 July 2008 - 12:28pm

The Queen of Merengue

"Milagros Quezada Borbón, much better known in the musical entertainment world as Milly Quezada, is a Latin Grammy-winning Dominican Merengue music singer. She is a famous singer in Latin America; especially in those Latin American countries bordered by the Caribbean Sea, and in the eastern seaboard region of the United States."
Bet she ain't blonde......

Retropath2 | 4 July 2008 - 10:39am

You were saying?

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The hypotheziz holdz.

Archie Valparaiso | 4 July 2008 - 10:50am

Bastard!

I knew you would find some evidence somewhere. I doubt, as with Ms Bazar, as to whether the roof matches the windows. (I don't suppose you have any pictures........)

Retropath2 | 4 July 2008 - 11:02am

Hehehe....

....I always thought it was curtains and carpet.

bigsteviecook | 4 July 2008 - 12:15pm

Collars and cuffs

Round these, er, parts.

Archie Valparaiso | 4 July 2008 - 12:24pm

Ha!

Suzanne Vega

Beany | 4 July 2008 - 11:10am

Just plain wrong. And very scary.

It's unclear whether anyone liked this (to my dismay, I suspect the answer is "yes"), but my good friend the Bass Enforcer has on vinyl a copy of Herb Alpert's "Tijuana Plays Motown", wherein a selection of the greatest singles ever recorded is subjected to ritual slaughter. It's truly horrible, but strangely compelling; you want to stop listening, and yet you can't. (I should point out in James's defence that he - a big J. Jamerson fan - bought the album as a novelty, and something to frighten hapless Trick or Treaters with.)

nigelthebald | 4 July 2008 - 2:49pm

I have that album

I also have an LP of bossa nova versions of Beatles classics. There is literally no-one making records like that anymore.

Niks | 8 July 2008 - 10:54am

Oh yes there is.

and they advertise in The Word

http://www.senor-coconut.com/

There does seem to be a shortage of modern songs performed by singing dogs. Shame.

Beany | 8 July 2008 - 11:16am

True.....

I can only think of Rovers Return/Korgis.
O and Seamus, by the Floyd, but I think that wasn't a real dog.
Does the Yipyip song by Robyn Hitchcock/Softboys count?

Retropath2 | 8 July 2008 - 11:32am

No

and nil points for anyone who says Amy Winehouse

Beany | 8 July 2008 - 11:39am

I nearly did, too

I was talking about this yesterday with the Enforcer, who reminds me that some fifteen years ago he tried (mindful of my love of Motown, and possessed of a pronounced mischievous streak) to present me with said monstrosity. I had completely forgotten about this. (Dr Freud might have had something to say about that, though I was smoking a lot in those days....) It seems I turned him down - I don't have it, and he still does - a fact to which I owe what remains of my sanity. And when I feel like torturing myself, I just call round and put in a request

nigelthebald | 8 July 2008 - 2:11pm

Nearly the end before it began

My now wife told me during the first week of our relationship that the best gig she'd been to was Lionel Richie. Apparently the look on my face said it all.

I also once banished an old school friend from my house for stating that Face Value by Phil Collins was one of the great albums of the 80s. She was allowed back in once she'd retracted the statement.

And I once nearly got the sack after reacting rather badly to my boss saying that he loved the Paul Young song Love Will Tear Us Apart.

Simondrsmith | 5 July 2008 - 9:03pm

Lionel Richie is a legend

He is a great singer, a great songwriter and he played sax in one of the finest funk bands ever to grace the earth. I imagine a Richie gig would be superb and I'd be happy to take your wife if you don't mind accompanying my own wife to the Sex in the City movie in return.

Niks | 8 July 2008 - 10:58am

Is Simondrsmith simonsmith with a changed e-name?

Sounds daft, but if not, did you see REM at Old Trafford in 2003. And come from Shrewsbury? And thus have to change/add to your name to get on site.
Simonsmith knows, cos I have already asked him/her.....

Retropath2 | 8 July 2008 - 10:59am

Er.....no

I've been to Shrewsbury but don't come from there (born: Chester, live: Leeds). I have seen REM live but not in 2003 at OT.

Simondrsmith | 24 July 2008 - 4:34pm

Thanks.

Sorry for making you disclose....

Retropath2 | 24 July 2008 - 6:24pm

I called The Soundtrack of Our Lives

"whimsical" on first being played one of their tracks by a mate of respected musical knowledge. After seeing them live and being blown away by the power and energy (if you've seen 'em you'll know what I mean - if not, imagine The Who and The Clash one louder!) - and after being flattened by their stage diving 6 foot 20 stone viking of a singer - I was reminded cheerily by said mate - "who's f**kin' whimsical now?"

I also upset a musical mate by claiming that Eric Clapton is a crap guitarist! I was trying to explain that virtuosity does not necessarily equal exciting or interesting music but he would not have it at all.

Kitson | 8 July 2008 - 4:02pm

The wrongest opinion ever expressed about anyone

Somebody somewhere is saying it right now.
It's the sentence that describes anyone as "just pop".
Contained within that simple sentence is the staggering fallacy that this genre is somehow inferior to "just rock" or "just jazz" or "just opera".
It's made even worse by the fact that it can't see that the highest aspiration of any music is to be popular.

David Hepworth | 8 July 2008 - 5:59pm

Rufus Wainwright has a voice...

like a foghorn. Admit it, he does. And all his songs are torture as a result. Mind you, someone will make a fortune with the songs eventually though... provided they can actually sing, unlike poor Roof.

Fridge | 8 July 2008 - 10:02pm
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