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Just… mindboggling

David Rothon's picture

A brief fact check at work led me to the list of credits for Usher's latest album (as they appear on All Music Guide) http://www.allmusic.com/album/raymond-v-raymond-r1700764/credits

There were apparently no fewer than 112 people involved in its making, including 33 composers, 22 mixers/engineers and 19 'assistants'.
So… is it any good?

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That's pretty common

in your hiphop/RnB palaver. Even mixtapes by unsigned acts will credit dozens of producers, musicians, etc coming in and contributing - it's well known in hiphop there's a huge industry of unknown rappers writing rhymes for the more established, which at least explains why someone like Lil Wayne knocks out about an album a month. If I was getting intellectual about it, I'd say it refutes the widely accepted Western/Eurasian 'Auteur' theory of art (that theorises that a single person is responsible for a work, despite the numbers of people involved in it's production)) thats's held sway since Jean Luc Godard and Bob Dylan. But I'm not. So I won't.

Also at play is the ghetto ideal that when you make it, you take your mates with you. When Eminem got big, he took enormous pains to ensure his old crew of nomarks and hobbledehoys D12 got a shot.

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bathmat | 14 October 2010 - 2:15pm

All over the place

It's not unusual for an album like that with so many producers to be worked on in a lot of different studios - hence the amount of people involved.

At least he lists everyone involved. A lot of the big 'corporate' releases don't always list everyone involved. For instance it's not unusual to find major artists, supposedly known for their creativity to have had help in the writing stage onwards. Especially if there is a shortage of 'hit' material. There are a lot of jobbing songwriters out there doing that kind of work. Pretty much anonymous but well paid!

(I'm not talking your Kylies or people like that, that you would expect to have a team of songwriters behind. No, it's the bands who supposedly have the talent to write their own material that you have to watch when the accountants are watching the bank balance)

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SimonL | 14 October 2010 - 2:23pm

It was rumored that...

... a certain unnamed, strangely popular amongst the younger generation, more famous for his drug habit than his songs, wannabe poet type of rock star (of whom there are many m'learned friends) got help from a former member of Pop Will Eat Itself in creating timeless classics.

It was just a rumor though...

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ganglesprocket | 14 October 2010 - 2:56pm

Say it ain't so

Not George Michael?!

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Joe R | 14 October 2010 - 3:43pm

If we're talking about the same person

....fond of trilby hats perhaps....spends a great deal of time facing the fearful majesty of the law....

then I think it was a former member of the Senseless Things who helps out

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Chimney Singing... | 14 October 2010 - 4:10pm

I of course could be wrong...

... in so many ways.

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ganglesprocket | 14 October 2010 - 4:29pm

We're talking about...

Pete Doherty and Mark Keds here, right? Drug buddies who fell out badly. Keds got a co-write on the Libs 'Can't Stand Me Now'.

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bluemeanie | 14 October 2010 - 5:47pm
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