Just got Lucky - Rocks Jammiest Dodgers

Who are the lucky buggers of Rock? The sort of person in the right group at the right time. Someone that got an eleventh hour call up to join the band just as they shifted gears from loyal local following to global superstardom. Perhaps they contributed a few scraps to a song that's been on perma play ever since. Or conversely who are the unluckiest people in Rock. Those that got the last minute bounce or have had to stoically to accept the, rips off, replacements and lost royalties.

Bernie Taupin
Elton John's lyric writer. All the goodies that Elton gets - Bernie gets too. And doesn't have to rehearse, record or tour.

Rod Temperton
Him from Heatwave. Wrote ‘Boogie Nights' and ‘Always and Forever' then was hand picked by Quincy Jones for Jacko's early albums . Rod wrote ‘Rock with You' ‘Off the Wall' and ‘Thriller'

Nick Mason
He's got a large collection of vintage cars and a helicopter too. For playing some drums.

The AC/DC Bass Player
Johnny One Note

Nick Rhodes
He can pout like a champ, but can he really play the keys? I've never seen him do a solo.

And the winner is

Surely Ringo, I bet Pete Best chuckles every time he hears Octopus' Garden.

Gordon Kerr | 5 February 2008 - 1:36pm

Reforming with the original/best known line up....

I dare say the new Fleetwood Mac-ers post the leaving of Buckingham and Nicks felt a bit peeved when they were usurped again. Ditto the Stiltskin singer briefly in Genesis, the fan club singer in Judas Priest for a moment and the between Kemp bassist in Steeleye. The legions are endless as reformation mania sweeps the skies (or is it streets?)
And do you know, I can't think of any of their names. Funny that!

Retropath2 | 5 February 2008 - 1:43pm

Adam Clayton

Memorably described by one journalist as 'A man with a job even professional cider testers would envy'.

Jon | 5 February 2008 - 1:50pm

Well there's an interesting

Well there's an interesting way to describe him and cider testers? Where's that come from. Anyway i'm off to see some live concerts this summer I can't wait I already got radiohead tickets and a few others im about to get

jor | 5 May 2008 - 3:51am

Andrew Wotsisname

out of Wham, surely? Gary Leeds in the Walker Bros had a nice time too - drummer in a band whose records had no drums on them.

Twangothan | 5 February 2008 - 2:25pm

Being specific...

..George writing Careless Whisper in Andrew's house rather than his own clinched it as champion jammy beggar .

kb | 5 February 2008 - 4:10pm

Bez

Bez must be the most obvious contender; do one dance and shake some maracas. That said, I saw the Mondays live on several occasions and they were absolutely brilliant (honest!) and Bez played a huge part in whipping up the audience and creating atmosphere.

Andy Lynes | 5 February 2008 - 2:56pm

Bez made the Happy Mondays

Without his ability as the foil for Shaun Ryder in publicity activities, they'd be pretty dull. And live they'd be excrutiating cos Shaun, for all his qualities as a lyricist, is no front man.

Plus their recent reformation was all down to Bez the Big Bruv Champ.

kb | 5 February 2008 - 4:07pm

Flavor Flav

It's a similar case with Flavor Flav of Public Enemy, the rapping Bez. No particular musical talent, and some very silly rapping - "I see their tape recorder and I grab it; no you can't have it back, silly rabbit". And yet he's vital to perhaps the most perfectly conceived music act there's ever been. He makes the whole thing colourful, listenable and enjoyable, while playing the Fool to Chuck D's raging Lear.

(OK, I'm off to Pseud's corner.)

Nick White | 5 February 2008 - 8:04pm

ronnie wood

as possibly a wise head from this parish said back in the day in Q magazine 'a classic example of choosing your friends carefully'

As for Ringo - i'll have to disagree. He was a bloody good drummer. Listen to the deliberately sloppy fills on the likes of 'I am the Walrus, Strawberry Fields Forever or A Day in the Life'...he knew what he was doing!

ivan | 5 February 2008 - 3:03pm

In defence of Ringo Starr

He was the best drummer the Beatles could possibly have had and, as Brian Epstein pointed out, he completed the picture. I don't know another drummer anywhere, apart from possibly Al Jackson Jr, who played on so many records which still make so many people so happy today.
Gary Leeds an excellent call. Never thought of that.

David Hepworth | 5 February 2008 - 3:54pm

In my defence on Ringo

I don't deny his quality as a drummer, he was mighty fine and he gave us Zak, one of this generations finest tub thumpers.

My argument is he was a lucky, lucky bastard!! He just happened to be at the right place at the right time.

Gordon Kerr | 5 February 2008 - 9:20pm

But so was..

...John Lennon.

David Hepworth | 5 February 2008 - 9:33pm

If that's the reasoning

then we should remember that George Harrison got into The Beatles because he could play 'Raunchy' by Bill Justis.

Lucas Hare | 5 February 2008 - 9:43pm

All you need is luck

...And taking this to its conclusion, each member of the Beatles was lucky not to have been born destined to be a member of, say, Badfinger.

Nick White | 5 February 2008 - 9:51pm

Oh God

What have I started???

Gordon Kerr | 5 February 2008 - 10:45pm

And..

Bill Wyman
He only got into The Stones through his ownership of a bass and amplifier. However his luck ran out when Jagger and Richards gave themselves the composing credit for 'Jumping Jack Flash' even though the riff was Wyman's.

Simon Napier Bell
Co-wrote English lyrics for 'You Don't Have to Say You Love Me'
Still being played and covered 40 years later.

Dave C | 5 February 2008 - 4:06pm

Him out of Depeche Mode...

...who isn't the singer or the songwriter.

He's the one.

Paul Waring | 5 February 2008 - 7:32pm

J.D.Souther

"Hey JD, could you drop by, we need a chorus for this thing about taking it, y'know, easy". Cue lavish royalty cheques and not having to put up with Don Henley explaining why the toilet paper should be just so on tour.
Or the artist formerly known as Marcella Detroit;
Eric;"It goes dum, dum, dumdum in the chorus, but I'm not sure what to put there"
Marcy Levy;"How about 'Lay Down Sally'"?
Kerchinggg!
Oh, and the bass player in Snow Patrol.

skirky | 5 February 2008 - 7:37pm

Who's Martin Quittenton?

Check the label for 'Maggie May' and you'll see this..

Stewart/Quittenton.

That's who he is.

Dave C | 5 February 2008 - 8:23pm

And "You wear it well"

C'ching

Twangothan | 6 February 2008 - 9:48am

Granted, Bernie Taupin...

...doesn't have to tour. But writing lyrics is no snooze in an armchair. And how about writing lyrics for someone who might be a little demanding from time-to-time? Underpaid, I'd say.

Philip Bryer | 5 February 2008 - 8:32pm

Brief Encounter

I thought they don't actually compose as a team - so no face to face scream ups - Bernie 'phones in' his lyrics and Elton sets them to music Libretto style.

Dave C | 5 February 2008 - 10:44pm
Gordon Kerr | 7 February 2008 - 1:13am

You should post those in this thread...

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/when-did-bands-get-so-ugly

A couple of cracking examples of Rock togs. Can you imagine Coldplay or Travis dressing like that?

Dave C | 7 February 2008 - 10:44am

"Sir" Tim Rice

Not rock exactly but it's always struck me that Tim Rice must thank his lucky stars every day that he's avoided that uncomfortable juxstaposition of wolf and door that his "talents" so richly deserve.
And lay off Rod Temperton. If you write Boogie Nights you earn the right to have petals forever strewn in your path.

Richard Lowe | 5 February 2008 - 8:57pm

Bernie

That "...Sat on the roof top, kicked off the moss, well some of these lines, they've got me quite cross" line? Ongoing 'sits back in the armchair for a snooze, chuckles, checks bank balance' scenario ahoy...

skirky | 5 February 2008 - 9:30pm

Taupin

I love from 'sat' right up to 'moss'. It's evocative, unfussy, and I can almost see him doing it (Bernie, that is. Try as I might I can't picture Elton on a rooftop). From 'well' to 'cross'? Nobody's perfect. I'd guess that he phoned-in that bit.

Philip Bryer | 6 February 2008 - 5:11pm

If were a sculptor, but then again no?

Bernie make up your mind, you either one or your not!!!

Gordon Kerr | 7 February 2008 - 1:15am

Torpor

He used to be indecisive...

Philip Bryer | 7 February 2008 - 9:40am

Crosby, Stills and Nash

Despite their credentials and individual talents, they must all still be quietly incredulous that they've managed to be associated for so long with Neil Young.

Lucas Hare | 5 February 2008 - 10:36pm

Actually

given his appreciation of Columbia's finest export Crosby must be incredulous he's still alive!!!

Gordon Kerr | 5 February 2008 - 10:49pm

Crosby/Gumble at the Grammys

Barney "David Crosby, your my hero!"

David "You like my music?"

Barney "Your a musician?"

Arf.

sweetleftfoot | 10 February 2008 - 6:26pm

Not sure on this...

but didn't Robbie Williams flatmate get a record deal simply because he was Robbie Williams' flat mate? No idea of the chaps name, a fact that concerns me not.

And does anyone remember Jimmy Nicol? Asked to join the Beatles as drummer for a few weeks for a world tour, then shown the door once Ringo got over whatever bug was ailing him. At least Pete Best's name is known to some.

samfid | 5 February 2008 - 11:15pm

CSN&Y

Hmm, disagree about the Stills bit, he was a talent in his own right, but Crosby & Nash, yeah, lucky, lucky lucky.

laddie | 6 February 2008 - 11:34am

Clough - You make your own luck!

I would have agreed with this comment until I saw this pair on Jules Holland a couple of years ago. They did a duet which was superb and made you hair stand on end. Best thing on the whole show and they are both in their 60's. The legendary Columbian import consumtion would appear not to have damaged the vocal chords one jot. Still and Young are the writers but C+N have some magic.

N2Peach | 27 February 2008 - 5:56pm

The poet who wrote Cream's lyrics

No idea of his name, but he must have received some lovely PRS cheques for his talent and connections.

kb | 6 February 2008 - 11:48am

Peter Brown

wasn't it? Never did understand what he was on about. Tired starlings or something.

Lucas Hare | 6 February 2008 - 11:57am

Imaginary Band - The Unlucky Outcasts

Jimmy Nicol or Pete Best - drums
Ian Stewart - keyboards
Glen Matlock - bass
Terry Reid - vocals and guitar

Dave C | 6 February 2008 - 12:09pm

Glen Matlock.....

.....doesn't seem to be weeping much. Earning far more from the Pistols than Sid ever did, methinks. Arguably befits jammy dodger for staying alive. Pink wafer to Mr Vicious.

Retropath2 | 6 February 2008 - 12:15pm

Yeah, but at the time

He must have been crushed, a great bass player getting unloaded just for 'washing his feet all the time and liking The Beatles', only to be replaced by Sid Vicious

Dave C | 6 February 2008 - 1:24pm

David Bowie

Surely the greatest con man is David Bowie, who has made a career of regularly pinching and rehashing other people's ideas and fooling everyone they are his own (chameleon etc etc) to enduring adoration. Except by me that is.

*****stands back and awaits torrents of abuse...

Twangothan | 6 February 2008 - 3:00pm

Oh, you're just begging for a kicking

but not sure that Bowie qualifies. It's not so much a matter of conning the public (which would surely be a separate thread itself... there's a thought) but Bowie did it off his own back. It's not like he found the songs for Hunky Dory lying down the back of the couch after his flatmate had written them.

Oh, I'm getting very pedantic, aren't I?

samfid | 6 February 2008 - 9:58pm

Polemic

Yeah it's a bit of a wind up but if you removed all the Antony Newly, Lou Reed, Iggy Pop etc etc from DB I'm not sure whether much would be left. He didn't do much before he acquired their clothes did he? When he was just being a singer/songwriter?

There are many better candidates though, I'll concede!

Twangothan | 7 February 2008 - 9:55am

Pete Burns has a theory that..

Bowie was only at his best while married to Angie Bowie, her swishy influence encouraged an explosion of colourful creativity.

I'm a huge Bowie fan, and as much as hate to say it - he could have a point.

Dave C | 7 February 2008 - 10:37am

E Streeters short on luck...

Great musicians both, drummer Ernest 'Boom' Carter and keyboard player David Sancious were unlucky not to make the cut. They contributed greatly to The Wild, The Innocent and BTR. Of course Max and Roy are as good as you get but what a career 'miss' for those two not to make the band that has been together, with the odd hiatus, for the last 33 years.

bo_doogley | 6 February 2008 - 10:20pm

Ballet Nonsense

I can't help but feel that some of the above nominees are being treated harshly. Ringo and Bill Wyman can both play and therefore were in their bands on merit.
Andrew Ridgeley on the other hand...
And may I offer for your consideration:
Ladieeeeeees and gennlemun - he plays the bongos (ahem), he'll dazzle you with his sparkling sax breaks (perhaps), please welcome to the stage, from Spandau Ballet - Mr Steve Norman!

Alex | 7 February 2008 - 10:39am

Mondo Bongo

Micky Finn - from T.Rex, he was cadging a lift on the Bolan bandwagon. Santana must be the only band where a bongo bod is a requirement rather than an embellishment

Dave C | 7 February 2008 - 11:32am

Pixiephone

Mickey Finn was a virtuoso on the Pixiephone too you know!

Sven | 7 February 2008 - 1:37pm

Nonsense? I think not....

Let's see...Steve Norman started out on guitar and percussion, decided to take up sax and learned it in a short amount of time; can play damn near any instrument he lays his hands on (and quite well, I must add); sings, writes songs, produces music...... Doesn't sound like he fits in this thread at all....

ginluc | 9 February 2008 - 5:56pm

Ballet-hoo!

Are you seriously suggesting that anyone could be LUCKY to be considered a member of Spandex Ballyhoo. That bloke who was in Eastenders and the sofa adverts, now he was lucky!!

Retropath2 | 7 February 2008 - 10:45am

Beats working

5 star travel, girls, drugs, MM's ligger of the year (in the days of Wylie, when this really meant something).
Sure beats working for a living.
And when the luck runs out, you can just cut your hair and stop dressing like a ponce, and no one will be any the wiser - although I have a sneaking suspicion that Mr Norman walks around in a dayglo t-shirt with "Yes, it's me! That bloke from Spandau Ballet" (probably)

Alex | 7 February 2008 - 11:32am

Not strictly rock...

...but given that we're talking about lyricists here, it always burns me that Hal David doesn't get the same, or even more, kudos as Burt Bacharach. After all, he did write the lyrics that people sing.

Anyone who managed to pen 'The moment I wake up/before I put on my make up' should be able to demand money, sexual favours, house keys, etc from anyone in the world.

Producer Matt | 7 February 2008 - 11:22am

Martin Quittenton.

I don't think he toured much but did a lot of co-writes with Rod Stewart and played on a lot of sessions. Rod's studio band on these records (I still think of them as records)was pretty good.

The luckiest bugger: Wyman, Ridgley, ALL of Black Sabbath and Judas Priest are good calls but Bev Bevan gets my vote. Looked like a glam/hippy brickie and drumed like an ape with Tourette's - yet was in 2 very successful bands. Baffling.

Dunc | 7 February 2008 - 3:39pm

Martin Quittenton

Wasn't he a guitar teacher?

David Hepworth | 7 February 2008 - 3:47pm

Yeah, I think so. He plays

Yeah, I think so. He plays an an assortment of styles from blues-rock to classical. And he was in Pilot!

Dunc | 8 February 2008 - 4:19pm

Nick Rhodes - visionary

Nick Rhodes' book of TV interference photographs, lambasted in The Word not so long ago, may have been a visionary tome. Magnum photographer Harry Gruyaert has just published a book called 'TV Shots' which features his photographs of images from TV screens. So the ever-pouting keyboardist beat him to it by 20 years. What a talent.

Patrick Crowther | 7 February 2008 - 10:23pm

Vivid memory...

... of Rhodes plugging his silly book on LBC late one night.

Interviewer: Do you think your book would have been published had you not been a pop star?

Rhodes: Yes.

Philip Bryer | 8 February 2008 - 8:44am

Nick Rhodes

Twat!

Dunc | 8 February 2008 - 4:22pm

Eno

Poor ol' Nick was pipped by Brian Eno a few years earlier, who did the decent thing by including a ground breaking album with his TV photos.

Dave C | 8 February 2008 - 4:34pm

Craig Logan of Bros

Remember the bass player whose face didn't fit & wasn't named Goss? He got paid off (£100000 was the figure thrown around at the time) before Bros became a prototype Northern Rock. Since then he's done OK, becoming a major EMI exec (there's probably another handsome pay-off heading his way) and 'squiring' several famous and attractive young women. And he looks well on it, too. As my dad used to say, if he fell in a barrel of shit he'd come out smelling of roses.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article611994.ece

johnsey | 8 February 2008 - 2:18am

More Dancers....

Who was that bloke in Galliano, like a cross between an air traffic control man and the news for the deaf on telly? Very off putting, but surely a jammy dodger.
But were the members of Hawkwind jammy dodgers for having Stacia on stage with them? Discuss.

Retropath2 | 8 February 2008 - 8:41am

When I worked as a press officer...

I took the very talented bluegrass musicians Tim O'Brien and Darrell Scott to a radio interview. On the way, O'Brien told me a story about someone he knew (can't remember the name, sorry) who had been working in an adjacent studio to Garth Brooks. He popped in to say hello and heard Brooks saying that he was struggling to find a title for a new song he's just recorded. After listening to the song, this musician then said "How's about calling it such and such?" Brooks said "That's it!" and gave him a songwriting credit for his help. The song was a single and appeared on Brooks' album which sold about 10 squillion copies, making the provider of the title much, much better off than he'd been before. Sorry about the lack of concrete info in this tale, but it was a while ago.

I call that jammy in the extreme.

Patrick Crowther | 8 February 2008 - 9:16am

Lemmy and Ozzy

In his Lemmy's biography he mentions about co writing a handful of tracks with Ozzy Osbourne in the mid 80s. These few tracks have generated more money for him than his entire earnings with Motorhead .

Dave C | 8 February 2008 - 4:43pm

Oasis

Bonehead and Guigsy. (For a time anyway)

David Wright | 8 February 2008 - 5:36pm