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Julian Cope

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I've jut been catching up on some old iPlayer downloads and have just watched "Island at the BBC" which included Julian Cope performing "World Shut Your Mouth".

I have been a big fan in the past and this reaffirmed the reasons why. I saw him live in Leeds on the 1986 tour and he was excellent.

As he has aged he has continued to produce great albums e.g. JehovahKill, Peggy Suicide etc but has also walked many other life paths including academia and writing.

I don't buy the music as much anymore but think he epitomises a great example of musicians who have gone their own way and still have respect/credibility.

Can you name many others from the 1980s?

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Check out his

website Head Heritage. I was looking on there the other night and he has posted his less than complimentary comments about Michael Jackson. In his view the media have deflected attention away from Afghanistan and The Expenses scandal. Never one for shying away from being controversial he does still make some compelling music and he is something of a national treasure that should be revered.

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Steve Turner | 15 July 2009 - 7:24pm

Head Heritage

I haven't looked at his site for a couple of years.

I'll give it another look and block out any political bias!

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Uncle Wheaty | 15 July 2009 - 7:37pm

Julian was a God to me -

in the Teardrop Explodes (Kilimanjaro [original vinyl with Mick Finkler's guitar parts] is one of my eternal top 5 ellpees) but Julian H. Cope and I parted company with JehovaKill. Apart from 'Upwards at 45 Degrees' I thought it was awful. I read Head-On and loved it, eventually I got Repossessed and felt like I needed a bath after each chapter. He is a talent and I do respect him but I'd love him to do some of his 'pop' tunes in the ilk of... Sunshine Playroom, need I add more?

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James Blast | 15 July 2009 - 7:47pm

Sounds like we are on the same page

I soldiered on buying stuff into the early 2000s but wasn't impressed

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Uncle Wheaty | 15 July 2009 - 9:05pm

Johnny

hates Jazz?

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Mr Drayton | 15 July 2009 - 7:55pm

Mike stand

Anyone who has their own special climbable mike stand built deserves our admiration.

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Tadorna Ferruginea | 15 July 2009 - 8:00pm

Used to worship him, but

Used to worship him, but like James Blast, he and I parted ways musically.

I think his first solo LP (World Shut Your Mouth, the album, not - and not including - the track) feels like my favourite of his solo efforts in retrospect. It's mostly great pop; since then, he's headed ever further down a more esoteric path which, I'm afraid, doesn't entertain me and doesn't feel "true", for want of a better word.

Is he a National Treasure? Maybe he was in 1984, but now -? He seems to me to represent that rather self-satisfied middle-class hipsterdom that doesn't appeal to me now that I've left my teens behind, in the same way that I can largely do without listening to (say) The Doors.

Still have a soft spot for him, though, as he was my teen idol, and as both Teardrop Explodes albums are still fantastic.

Oh, one other thing - I saw him play at the Cambridge Folk Festival (true) a few years back and BOY was he an antidote to the rest of the weekend...

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man.of.soup | 15 July 2009 - 8:49pm

both?

don'tcha mean all three Teardrop Explodes albums (excluding Piano and Peel Sessions), why does everyone dismiss Shag, I think it's a whole lot better than Wilder which I was disappointed in at the time

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James Blast | 16 July 2009 - 1:56pm

Wilder

Is better (in my opinion!) and I guess has more "meaning" for me as the soundtrack to my spotty adolescence. "Shag..." doesn't do much for me, I'm afraid - though it's a fantastic title for an album.

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man.of.soup | 19 July 2009 - 12:18pm

I recommend giving him another go.

Teardrop Explodes were a wonderful group and his solo purple patch, from Peggy Suicide through to Interpreter is possibly the purple patch to end all purple patches as far as I'm concerned.

Then we parted company for a decade - the fine line he always walked between brilliant pop and far out nonsense was decisively crossed the wrong way (Brain Donor was just plain bad) and that was it.

BUT, give his last two albums a go - You Gotta a Problem With Me and Black Sheep. He's well on his way back to the brilliance, and relative accessibility, of Peggy and Jehovahkill. At least two thirds of each of the new albums wouldn't be out of place on either of them. (The other third of each is far out nonsense, mind)

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Madrid | 15 July 2009 - 9:17pm

I love the "far out nonsense"

the Rite series had some glorious moments, especially the spaghetti western krautrock groove of 'The Indians Worship Him But He Hurries On'.

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Joe Muggs | 16 July 2009 - 7:25am

fraid he blew it wth me

at last years latitude by pratting around and wasting my time and the good feeling of an expectant audience. He's become self absorbed and frankly wilful which is fine if he's happy to have a small but dwindling audience but his creative period is long gone and what we are seeing now is someone who can't do anything other than be rockstar going through the motions. Oh and lose the Nazi hat JC.

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Chris G | 15 July 2009 - 11:06pm

the hat

I think is there for the usual rock star reason - see Dave Crosby and many others.

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Jim Thomas | 16 July 2009 - 4:45am

doesn't need to be a Nazi one though

T'Edge goes for a bobble hat.

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Chris G | 16 July 2009 - 7:19am

Trust the art not the artist

Always a good rule. I ignore the general aura of pseudo-mystical, hectoring prat, do what I can to dodge the odd dodgy album and just bask in the general wonderfulness of Jehovahkill, Peggy Suicide, 20 Mothers and others. The first of these is a grade A masterpiece.

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Occam | 16 July 2009 - 8:00am

That's the problem

I was looking forward to seeing him and then he dicked around so long setting up he only had time for one song and a boring rant about william blake or something also Jehovahkill was released almost 20 years ago what has he done for us lately !

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Chris G | 16 July 2009 - 8:04am

I've never particularly been a fan, though liked the Teardrops

but was impressed with the enthusiasm and spadework evident in his "Modern Antiquarian" book, which has been bought, read and used as a guide by a wide variety of people who I'm sure would never ever have touched his musical output.

As a contrast, I recall reading an autobiograhy from Dave Davies of the Kinks full of personal anecdote which made a pretty good read most of the way through. Then suddenly it descends into 20 or 30 pages of the wayest-out pseudo-mysticism you're likely to find anywhere. How a publisher ever agreed to its inclusion is totally beyond me. Maybe the fact it was a US-published edition had something to do with it...

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DLM | 16 July 2009 - 8:34am

Teardrop Explodes

were for a period a personal obsession. This is probably because I saw them in the week Kilimanjaro was released performing in full fancy dress like this:

http://www.anos80.com.br/teardrop_explodes/new_roma.jpg

I remember playing pinball with Alan Gill before the gig and he was dressed with the headband an'all.

Plus it was around about the same time that I was introduced to umm, perception modulating molecules...

Julian's first few solo releases also kept me interested and I agree with M.O.S. above that WSYM is a classic. Progressively, however, his albums became curate's eggs. I really lost touch at 20 Mothers, in that I haven't heard a note after that. I still have a warm corner of my heart for him as a concept, though. I have heard his last LPs are a bit or return to form. Must check em out.

Chris agree with the choice of hat. IIRC, He tries to pass it off as some homage to The Igg

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Jim Thomas | 16 July 2009 - 9:06am

broken

the linky doesn't work, I was looking forward to that pic aswell

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James Blast | 16 July 2009 - 1:58pm

works for me

????

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Jim Thomas | 16 July 2009 - 2:09pm

this is what I see

Photobucket

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James Blast | 16 July 2009 - 2:24pm

use firefox

or alternatively go here:

http://www.anos80.com.br/teardrop_explodes/

anticlimax eh?

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Jim Thomas | 16 July 2009 - 2:27pm

not at all

thanks for that, I still think Alan Gill ruined them and what ever happened to poor Mick Finkler?

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James Blast | 16 July 2009 - 2:57pm

Not sure the recent albums

are a return to form, there's a lot of grungey metal and very poor sound but the thing with Cope is no matter how weird and obscure he tries to be he always throws out at least a couple of classic melodic gems per album.

I'm a big fan from the music to his Head Heritage web-site, his autobiographies are excellent and so is his other writing, usually far more entertaining than the subject matter.

The Modern Antiquarian and Megalithic European are not only brilliantly researched labours of love but are beautifully produced books.

I can do without him poncing about in leotards behind curtains and the hippy pagan thing gets a bit tiresome but certainly one of the few "maverick" artists out there, really doing it on his own terms.

Just wish he'd concentrate on knocking out an album of classic pop tunes next!

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Retro Man | 16 July 2009 - 9:54am

Oh yeah, on the other question...

any other similar 80's musicians.

Would Robyn Hitchcock count? I was also thinking of Mark E Smith but not sure if you could say he was 80's as such, although a similar independent soul.

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Retro Man | 16 July 2009 - 9:59am

Emphatically no

I'm clearly swimming upstream with this one, but RH to me is just a poseur. I can't get beyond how hard he's trying to be alternative and whimsical. With an original genius like Cope or Mark E Smith, you accept there's going to be quite a few mis-hits alongside the gems. With Hitchcock, it's just all trying too hard. And musically shit. In my very humble opinion and all that.

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Occam | 16 July 2009 - 11:24am

Ambulence

I love Julian Cope's pop stuff but his weirder side can be great as well - one of the CD single versions of 'I Come From Another Planet, Baby' was a twenty plus minute track called 'Ambulence: Wessex Post-Ambient Therapy Musics'. It is insane. And brilliant.

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dilbert01 | 16 July 2009 - 12:18pm

Lloyd Cole

Perhaps not on the same level as Copey but some pretty damn good albums.

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SimonL | 16 July 2009 - 12:53pm

Interesting comparison

Despite extreme differences in music/appearance/attitude etc. they both basically run their careers as their own home-based cottage industries: keeping in touch through website, low-key touring, self releasing music, etc. etc.

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Madrid | 16 July 2009 - 1:28pm
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