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Joni - help me overcome my blind spot.

Paul Waring's picture

Apologies if we've done this before, but I did search the blog for previous posts on the subject, honest!

My Joni collection is very limited indeed, to just 'Blue' and 'Travelogue' (picked up dirt cheap in Fopp a while back).

She's always been an artist I've admired rather than liked, if that makes sense, but if I'm honest I've never really given her a fair hearing.

So my question is, where to start? What is indispensable and what is a bit meh? And in this time of remasters and remixes, are there any definitive editions I should seek out? Any box sets or collections that are definitive?

On the basis of what I've heard to date, I suspect her jazzier stuff will be more to my taste than the earlier, folky stuff.

so - over to you lot - I know you won't let me down!

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Shadows & Light

and Miles of Aisles.

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billyous | 21 September 2009 - 4:17pm

The three I always come back to are...

Court and Spark (1974), The Hissing of Summer Lawns (1975) and Hejira (1976). All these are absolutely wonderful records. The next album Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (1977) is less focused but still has some sublime moments.

Of her more recent work I would heartily recommend Both Sides Now (2000) on which she comes over as a 150 gaspers a day "been there and done it" wise old jazz crooner. It's brilliant.

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Patrick Crowther | 21 September 2009 - 4:35pm

yep, those 3 for sure

She's left behind (well mostly) the hippy dippy folkie girl and the musicians and arrangements are sublime.

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Mousey | 22 September 2009 - 8:21am

I'd say those three...

plus "Blue" - more folkie but absolutely essential.

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Roy Levy | 22 September 2009 - 9:50am

Shadows And Light is a great start...

It's a live album showcasing stuff from the 'jazzy years'.


then Hissing Of Summer Lawns (http://open.spotify.com/album/3gUlFM3azK6ZIkKz1zK7Nj)
then Hejira (http://open.spotify.com/album/3Z0qQc09rmk4JYtIaxEx2J)

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stimpy | 21 September 2009 - 4:39pm

An unorthodox suggestion but why

not get the DVD of Shadows and Light-just because we now *can*-took best part of 25 years to appear iirc and I was curiously moved when I finally had it in my hot little hands after seeing the film on a Whistle Test/BBC music week of some sort in late 1980 I think.

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SpaceBoy | 21 September 2009 - 4:58pm

wot Patrick said

and in that order too. For me - the *one* would be Hissing of Summer Lawns which is like a critique of life, love, the American dream - and I've always felt is like a musical equivalent of a Robert Altman movie

Like Blood on the Tracks with music by Steely Dan. Only with better lyrics than either

(incidentally - cheeky little debate on the merits of La Mitch below)

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/why-dont-boys-joni

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Sheev | 21 September 2009 - 4:40pm

And in the interests of balance...

the spin-off debate can be found here:

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/female-icons

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Gauntlet | 21 September 2009 - 5:52pm

You're probably already aware of it if Joni-centric

but devotees of "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" may find this link interesting http://waxy.org/2008/02/joni_mitchells/

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DLM | 22 September 2009 - 10:29pm

Early consensus

Run, don't walk, to get yourself a copy of Hejira. The greatest album ever made as far as I'm concerned, The standard CD I have sounds stunning, the record being very sparse and beautifully recorded. Everything about Hejira is brilliant.

The Hissing Of Summer Lawns is marvellous too, with Shades Of Scarlett Conquering being a song your collection can't do without; it's all great though. You might want to check out a recent remaster, though, as the early-ish CD I have sounds muddy and too quiet.

Court And Spark was once described by Q as being full of "songs of great elegance and universal appeal" - a description from which I wouldn't demur, except that it may seem like damning with faint praise. I think the standard issue CD sounds fine.

Those three are indispensible; the next two are well worth having too, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and Mingus (the latter being, as you may have heard, by some distance her jazziest album). And the live Shadows And Light is worth it just for the exquisite sequence of Amelia - solo by Pat Metheny - Hejira.

After Shadows and Light it's slim pickings. There are only a handful of songs I regard as truly great, and you could safely cherry pick them. Perhaps the list would be something like:

Chinese Cafe
Ethiopia
Come In From The Cold
How Do You Stop?

Going back before Court and Spark, For The Roses is beautiful and rather underrated.

Enjoy your discovering of a consummate artist!

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Theo Zoffrok | 21 September 2009 - 4:49pm

Hejira

I find myself with two copies of this disc.
If you don't have it but would like a copy e-mail me with your name and address and I'll stick it in the post with the artwork but sans jewel case.
First come first served.

Edit: It's been claimed and will on its way to a new home soon.

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Carl Parker | 22 September 2009 - 5:57pm

No Blue?

Interested to read your post. Like Paul I've not really delved too deeply into her work but will definitely explore more now.

One thing I can't help noticing though - you don't mention Blue, which many class as one of the greatest albums ever (as I do, for that matter). Is that because it's a given, or are you not keen on it for some reason? I notice some of the other Joni-informed posters have a similar blind spot towards this. I wonder if its similar to the Sgt. Pepper / Pet Sounds syndrome whereby hipsters always cite something like Revolver or Holland as the true grail?

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DougieJ | 22 September 2009 - 11:22pm

Blue is an earlier, folky-Joni album

lots of quiet acoustic songs in a high pitched voice. It's typical 'sensitive singer-songwriter chick with acoustic guitar' stuff of that era. Don't get me wrong, it's amongst the very best SSSCWAG stuff - but I find it all a bit meh; and her early voice grates on me.

The later, jazzy stuff is musically more interesting; her voice had matured considerably (read, she'd smoked a million more fags) and the lyrics were, to my ears, more varied in subject matter.

Nothing to do with being a hipster! :-)

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stimpy | 23 September 2009 - 5:47am

But is there a...

NWOSSSCWAG?????

We should be told.

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Stuart Graham | 23 September 2009 - 5:53am

Blue

is where she flowers into a truly major artist. The OP mentions he is already familiar with this album - so I din't mention it in mine.

However, "A Case of You" is one of the best songs written about love's complexities and "Little Green" is one of the most poignant songs ever.

As I've said before - I believe, "Hissing" to be the pinnacle - it's tauter, more fully realized than "Hejira" although "Song for Sharon" and "Amelia" from that album are desert island tracks.

"Don Juan" and "Mingus" are also brilliant - but perhaps more acquired tastes.

The later work is patchy and spoilt by that 80s production sheen. I seem to be alone in thinking her last studio album "Shine" has any merit at all.

I bow to no man in my devotion to Saint Joan - but her earlier work does have some of the faults Stimpy ascribes to them. Her voice is too high and warbly for my taste on these albums up to and including "Canyon".

Where it all changes - for me - is "Court and Spark" which is a masterpiece. If I had to pick a single track to typify Joni (a la Hep's "No Reply" for the Fabs) it may well be "Car on a Hill" which is a reflection of her earlier work and a nod in the jazzier dirrection she took on her best work.

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Sheev | 23 September 2009 - 7:36am

Fair do's

;-)

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DougieJ | 23 September 2009 - 7:26am

I'd go with Lawns too

and Clouds is okay. But she tends to grate if she's on for too long. Nice in doses.

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Five-Centres | 21 September 2009 - 4:51pm

Hejira

Hejira, Hejira, Hejira, Hejira.

If that doesn't do it for you, don't buy any more. It's stunning.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 21 September 2009 - 4:55pm

Hejira is the one

and then Shadows and Light if you think the jazzier period may be the ay in.

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Steven C | 21 September 2009 - 5:00pm

If its torrented somewhere the BBC

Jazz Library episode on this period was excellent-obviously no longer on the iPlayer but the playlist was http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00kss3c

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SpaceBoy | 21 September 2009 - 5:03pm

Blue is my favourite

but all the above comments sum it up Joni is one of the greatest of all time simple as.

here is one of my favourites


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MrRadio | 21 September 2009 - 5:18pm

This link leads to a song called 'Amelia'...

and it's beautiful, profound and utterly magnificent.

http://open.spotify.com/track/0sWXc2HP7INhTEkuUbxJGk

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Patrick Crowther | 21 September 2009 - 5:39pm

That is

my favourite song of the 1970s, without question

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Joe R | 22 September 2009 - 7:40am

An hour and a bit

And the Massive has, once again, delivered in spades.

Hejira, Lawns and Court are winging their way to me courtesy of Amazon as we speak (but thanks for the Spotify links as well - I just feel the need to have something tangible to hold/read as I listen).

Carl - special thanks to you - I'd ordered before I read your post but the offer is still much appreciated.

Thanks good people - will report back when I've lived with the albums for a while.

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Paul Waring | 21 September 2009 - 5:52pm

I'm so jealous of you Paul...

I would love to be able to experience the thrill of hearing those records for the first time again.

I don't think you will be disappointed.

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SpaceBoy | 23 September 2009 - 1:49pm

Interesting thread

I have remained been a Joni-less zone. I was only really aware of the drippy Woodstock image which gave me a skewed impression obviously, and Big Yellow Taxi with is appalling laugh at the end that makes my fingernails draw blood from the palms of my hands. I will track down the best suggestions from the local. Cheers everyone.

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RobertC | 22 September 2009 - 8:03am

Ladies of the Canyon

Has nobody mentioned any of the pre-"Blue" albums yet?

I've never quite been able to love the first two records, but "Ladies of the Canyon" is absolutely superb. That quavering soprano on "Morning Morgantown"! Astonishing.

What a run of albums that was. Everything Joni wrote and sang between 1970 and 1977 was gold - pure gold.

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duco01 | 22 September 2009 - 8:13am

meanwhile

have been trying to figure out what the magnet for the above spam was-"Shadows and Light" perhaps ?

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SpaceBoy | 22 September 2009 - 8:36am

Probably the thread title

ie "Help me overcome my blind spot"

Ooooppps - it'll start all over again now...

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Paul Waring | 23 September 2009 - 5:42pm

I thought spam headings were

I thought spam headings were supposed to resemble Fall song titles, not Joni Mitchell's

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Kit Hogue | 22 September 2009 - 10:12am

An alternative starting point

if you can't find a way in but like one or more of the artists on:

Herbie Hancock's "River: The Joni Letters" (various guest vocalists including Joni herself perform his arrangements of her songs).

or

"A tribute to Joni Mitchell"

there should be something of interest.

Joni Mitchell covers aren't quite as numerous as you might expect, despite the quality of her songs.

Both collections seem to divide opinion markedly like most artist tribute albums or reinterpretations, and certainly have both high and low points, so try through spotify first. The artists aren't always who you'd expect (e.g. Sufjan Stevens, Prince, Bjork, Caetano Veloso, Leonard Cohen), though there are more mainstream choices.

One thing that really startled me here was the way that Tina Turner nails "Edith and the Kingpin", whereas Elvis Costello just plain murders it...

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DLM | 22 September 2009 - 11:33am
SpaceBoy | 22 September 2009 - 1:15pm

Perhaps it's because nobody can work out how to play them...

she's got more weird tunings than you can DGDGBD a GCGCEG at.

http://jonimitchell.com/music/tuningpatterns.cfm

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Patrick Crowther | 22 September 2009 - 6:21pm

The wolf that lives in Lindsey

is an atypical track from 'Mingus' but it is worth 79p of anyone's money, fantastic. Another personal favourite is 'The last time I saw Richard' from, yes, 'Blue'. 'Mingus' can be hard at times but it's my favourite Joni album. And if you like that play 'Pirates' by Ricki Lee Jones, just great.

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chabsy | 22 September 2009 - 10:52pm

Agree on both counts

Wolf is an extraordinary piece, unlike anything else she (or anyone else) has recorded. And The Last Time I Saw Richard is sublime, right through to the very last piano chord, which closes the whole album.

Blue is a masterpiece, and the only reason I didn't mention it earlier was indeed that the OP already has it.

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Theo Zoffrok | 24 September 2009 - 9:00am

I like Ladies of the Canyon,

I like Ladies of the Canyon, For the Roses, Court and Spark, Miles of Isles, Hissing of Summer Lawns, Herja and Wild Things Run Fast.

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TheAwesomeSound | 23 September 2009 - 2:30am

There is an amazing bootleg

of the acoustic early demos for Hissing Of Summer Lawns doing the rounds online. It provides an absolutely fascinating glimpse "under the bonnet" of her jazzy stuff and is delightful listening in its own right.

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Joe Muggs | 23 September 2009 - 7:11am
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