*If* Terry is found guilty, will he once again lose the captain's armband? Should he be dropped from the England set-up altogether?

Yes, drop him like a stone.

Absolutely deffo.

Yes, drop him.

Not because he is the most horrible man in football. (Takes some doing when you think about it) - But because he is no longer a very good defender. (see World Cup v Germany).

definately. Otherwise what message would it send out? Even if he was our best player (and I think previous posts have made that point clearly enough) there would be no case for him representing England again.

After the last World Cup for his little press conference.

In fact, he should have been shot.

This latest incident? His defence genuinely appears to be that he was shouting "Oi Anton.... I did NOT say [insert racist remark]." Seems fairly unlikely having seen the video.

I also think Villas Boas is a disgrace for coming out with support along the lines of "I'm surprised you people are so quick to question someone who represents you country". He's not the Queen Andre.

sanctimonious claptrap. Footballers swear and call each other names during the heat of a game. Gosh. Who'd have thunk it, eh? I mean, you'll be telling me next they sometimes visit prostitutes. Or leave the scene of serious car crashes. Or have it away with someone who isn't their wife, and might be someone else's wife. Or illegally angle for transfers when they're still under contract to another club. Or get drunk in nightclubs. Or have one night stands with other single persons. Or drink drive.

Blimey, it's almost as though they're like so many us ordinary folks who aren't paid upwards of £60k a week and so don't seem to have to live their life by some other rather arbitrary and unrealistic standard.

Terry was a pillock (I've seen him quoted as shouting at Ferdinand that he hadn't called him the alleged phrase.) But you know what? When I played rugby to a reasonable standard I did, and would still, sledge anyone if I thought it would rile him and give me an advantage. So I deplore racism but I can't condemn Terry for what he may or may not have said. And I'd ask everyone here to seriously question whether they haven't, at some time, said or thought an equally racist thing in the heat of the moment.

John Terry has been since the day he beat up a door man with Dennis Wise a rancid sore on the fetid arse that is English football. He is beyond redemption, to hear his media trained platitudes in front of the camera while representing England sums up the worse excesses and smoke and mirrors state of the English game. He has possibly devalued the England shirt almost beyond recovery, I really would like to talk to Frank Lampard on his own and ask him "John Terry? What do you really think?" The generation of England players that Terry represents have destroyed English football for many of us, one of my truly great pleasures has become an incidental side show. David Beckham may be a simple clothes horse who had the tendency to be embarrassing while trying his damndest to the the best he could be but I long for the days when his handsome, smiling, honest, decent face represented my country and he could play, really play. John Terry was a decent centre back for a couple of seasons, he has never had pace or skill just a decent sense of position and a bravery probably linked to his stupidity. If he is not dealt with now by the FA, not the useless Capello, then it is a truly sad day when anything can be forgiven and another million children think it's ok to call someone a black cunt, for fucks sake!

..to comment on football threads anymore without some sort of approval from the in-house sports editor.

Anyway - Terry should have the book thrown at him & certainly stripped of the England captaincy for the 2nd/3rd time ?

His defence is as shaky as Tevez's - although the support he gets from the UK football journalists is a joke - JT this & JT that - anyone who watched Sunday Supplement will know what I mean.

I also can't understand the "clear the air" chat with Ferdinand after the game. Be interesting to hear how this was played out - I hope it wasn't in someway a word with a threatening undertone - like don;t even think about complaining Anton - especially as it's being reported that they shook hand as and Terry thought the matter had been settled.

On a football level - think it's time for both Ferdinand Snr & Terry to move aside anyway - neither have performed to any sort of international standard for at least 2 years.

in that if he is found guilty he definitely should be expelled from the England set up at least for a period of time. But this Anton Ferdinand what is he like? If he has played the race card when people who know him, have played with him know that he is no saint himself then they will be annoyed and it will split the dressing room.

If it's out and out unprovoked racism - unlikely - then simple to sort out, if it's a slagging match that got out of hand then the press should not stir things up.

I would just like to use the slogan "Hate Football, Hate Racism".

Unfortunately footballers are not employed for their intelligence and social decency, just how they can kick a ball. Therefore you get the bluntest tools in the box who will resort to racism in an attempt to get one over an opponent. "Heat of the moment" = all part of the game, if you can't take it.... machismo bullshit.

Any talk of someone playing "the race card" is excusing the racist idiot. I picture fat blokes sitting in pubs saying 'well they're too sensitive that lot, its only a joke, anyway he is black, whats wrong with that".

The 'beautiful' game, eh?

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Rosbif: "I've been called a "fucking cunt" before (in fact iwas called just that a few hours ago)" -yeah sorry bout that mate but i still say that "cocksucker" is hyphenated and it was a triple word score!

a thugs game.

getting into Yahtzee pretty badly. Got the shakes and kept throwing number twos. Had to stop, cut down by playing Pass The Pigs once a day

I've got 5000 examples of the 'Countdown Conundrum' on a dodgy DVD. Wanna copy? Hardcore it is, really logographic stuff.

.....has a club ever 'lost it' more than Chelsea did on Sunday?

We have:
(1) the Terry incident,
(2) the manager being investigated by the FA for criticizing the ref,
(3) the manager openly slagging off a member of the opposition (Derry),
(4) two sending offs (neither of which are being contested, giving a lie to the 'ref had a 'mare' line),
(5) a spectator reporting 'an incident',
(6) the Chelsea 'official' web-site belittling the opposition after the game,
(7) a 1-0 defeat against a team that Man. Utd. etc. will probably beat twice, and, as a backdrop to all this,
(8) all the neutral observers that I've heard (Neville, Redknapp, the ex-referee that Sky employ etc.) think the ref did well.....it was the guy doing the Villa-WBA game who made the real howlers!

Please tell me if I've missed anything.

It's hilarious.....but Chelsea, believe me when I say this, we are not laughing at you, we are laughing 'toward' you!

Ranger.

Now Teflon Terry is an odious man, and should he be found guilty of making racist remarks to Ferdinand, he should be punished severely... being banned from the Engerlund team for one year would be a good start. However much more serious crimes are committed on the field of play in The Premiership. eg Alan Huttons two ferocious tackles on Shane Long,surely they were worthy of much more consideration of being bad?
In my younger days I stayed in Aldershot and played for a decent team down there (Hello, T&L Sports, you still exist?). Now I was a combatative left sided midfield player.... think Billy Bremner without the skill. And the pace. And the ginger hair. On a regular basis I was called "A dirty Jock bastard"....sometimes by own teamates....that never bothered me in the least. What bothered me when one Bill Baxter, ex captain of Ipswich Town under Sir Alf, kicked me so hard on the left leg that my shin pad split from knee to ankle and my leg was numb for hours afterwards. It left a dent that is still visible some 31 years later.
Yep, sure, lets kick racism out of soccer, but I would rather be called names than have my leg shredded.

when he took over Ipswich Town to sort out who was top boy at the club apparently. (According to Sir Bobs autobiog)

Can't see that happening these days.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15528032.stm

This hardly suggests that he regards the incident as over.

is an odious, arrogant, cretinous oaf who, incidentally, makes Lineker look like a celibate. One consolation is that his abilities as a player are declining at an ever-advancing rate.
He didn't 'slip' on Saturday; he threw himself to the ground when he realised he'd be hugely embarrased if he attempted to match Van Persie for pace.
Am I the only one who's suspicious about the provenance of these huge banners proclaiming his 'Legend' status? I reckon the name on the invoice is JT himself.