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Johan Cruyff...
I was thinking about the Terry/Bridge/Ashley Cole thing and all the other tawdry rubbish in footy today.
I dont watch football and cant be bothered about England in the World Cup or anywhere else.
Now...that would not be unusual but for the fact that I was OBSESSED with football as a nipper - used to read 'stats' books under the covers with a torch, played every single possible minute, my grandad used to let me stay up and watch MOTD with him in the 70s.
I played for schools, pub teams, local leagues until I was ...40!
And then...It just...Died.
My idol as a kid (along with Bowie of course) was Johan Cruyff. I watched the world cup in 1974 and the Dutch 'total football' team not only played the game like I had never seen before but, when the camera panned along the line up, they ALL had long straggle cut hair!, sidies!, beards!,beads round there necks!, leather bracelets! socks rolled down and shirts out ! Basically, Kings of Leon ready for a gig.
The defender Ruud Krol was in a rock band!
Cruyff smoked 20 a day when he was playing!
He refused to go to the World Cup in Argentina (which Holland would surely have won, they lost in the final) as a protest against the military junta regime and their human rights record!
Look at any images or footage of him playing for Holland - all of the team wore three stripes on their shirts and shorts, sponsored by Adidas - Cruyff wore TWO! "Im a footballer, not a product" -UNTHINKABLE TODAY!
He could play a bit as well - a notch below Maradona in the greatest ever and certainly the best european.
So, a two parter to the massive -Was he the coolest footballer ever and, if not, who?
and...Who else has lost the love...I dont mean 'gone off it a bit', I mean lost it.
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oh
Incredible
...but made easier by the fact that not a single defender tugged his shirt.
Not to belittle his skills though - that really was sublime. Thanks for posting.
Also, In 'those days'
the balls were heavier, pitches rubbish , boots not so good and defenders could legally take a knife to your knees if you went past them.
I know there are plenty of 'mad skillz' performing seals out there but he seemed to always use his stuff to affect the game (Im lookin at you Ronaldinho)
The other thing that separates him from other 'deluxe' players was his dictating of the play - always pointing and orchestrating even mid dribble. He did a lot of work off the ball too (Im lookin at you Ronaldinho..Berbatov, Ronaldo x2,Messi,...
Totally.
"Made easier" came out all wrong. Indeed, give any of our modern players that ball, those boots, that pitch and a twenty-a-day habit and they wouldn't begin to reach Cruyff's majesty.
The moment at 0.42...
when he not only controls a long pass effortlessly but uses that touch to take him past the defender and then bends it round the keeper may well be the most beautiful goal I've ever seen.
I'm intrigued by the goal at 2.42 - he is taking a penalty, but instead of shooting he knocks it sideways to a team-mate who returns it to him to score. Brilliant, but was that ever allowed under the rules of the game? Maybe in crayyzzy Holland ;-)
I KNOW!
Its my favorite bit of skill ever - If its been done since fair enough but in the late 60s!
The penalty - the genius of Cruyff was to exploit the rules (it was his idea, not the managers) and it is allowed ( see the post further down to see it done badly)
Not in a penalty shoot out though - one player, one kick.
'course, as any fule kno
this is really the greatest goal of all time. All the others mentioned are of merely academic interest...
AND...
Cruyff drove a Citroen SM, my dream car, one of which i will own before too long.
I'm with you on football now. It bores me rigid and I stopped watching a long time ago. Until very recently I devoured the football pages of The Times every day, but now I just can't be arsed.
jesus
he was even cooler than I thought!
I've not lost it
But I have gone off it a bit. Everyone just seems to take it all far toop seriously nowadays. Players, fans, the media...etc
Argentina
The whole junta protest thing might not be correct. According to Wikipedia:
But yes, second only to Maradona.
Thanks Fraser
I feel like Charlton Heston at the end of 'Planet of the Apes'.
That does explain his genius.
The best players give it 100%. The few give it 110%. Cruyff managed 200%.
Truly a man apart.
If he'd been a lead guitarist, his amp would have gone up to fifteen.
His time in Spain also
His time in Spain also appears to coincide with the end of Francos reign so his morals do appear somewhat selective.
to be fair
The Argentinians of that era looked liked rock stars too.
And their gaffer liked a gasper or two.
and...
Zidane
I saw Cruyff once - European cup semi-final against Leeds. Only now do I realise how hard my Dad must have worked to get the tickets.
Loved Cruyff and whole 70s Dutch team. And those tackles in the clips above - these days players would have gone down way long before scoring.
Recently saw a review of the last world cup, which made me realise how good Zidane was. Like Cruyff he seemed a whole level above everyone else on the pitch.
You jammy get!
Zizou - sublime but I would put Cruyff above him (see the post a few above)
and he was quicker.
Cruyff
I saw him play for Barcelona v. Arsenal in George Armstrong's testimonial match in 1974.
I swear the ball was glued to his foot at times. Best player I ever saw live and it wasn't even a competitive game.
Frankie Worthington
surely must have been the coolest footballer ever. Sublime skills, amazing success with the ladies and a brilliant Elvis impersonator to boot.
Frank
The Footballing Legend to my generation
I'm in my mid forties and Cruyff is THE footballing legend of my childhood, primarily because of the 1974 World Cup. I'd say he means more to me than Maradona or Pele as does the whole Dutch team in 1974. I'd even go so far as to say that I moved to Holland (in 2000) partially because of the huge impression made on me by the Dutch 26 years earlier.
The only comparable players of that generation were Germany's Franz Beckenbauer and Gunter Netzer.
I've not lost my love of football to the extent that the writer of this article has but I find myself not really caring anymore about most of it and I've transferred by sporting love to rugby union.
GUNTER NETZER!
I had forgotten him!
Fantastic.
And...
Oleg Blokhin, Boniek, Platini, Schuster...
He was great ...
... but smoking 20 cigarettes a day is not particularly "cool" especially when it leads to a massive heart attack at the age of 44. I also wondered if his absence from the 78 finals was more due to traditional Dutch infighting which has probably caused them to not win the World Cup that they richly deserve. They should have won that final anyway.
Coolest footballer ever ? Paolo Maldini (not sure if he smokes ;) )
Coolest?
or best looking?
Or both?
What a bastard.
And a brilliant player ...
And married to a gorgeous model.
A bastard indeed.
*Googles Mrs Maldini*
What a bastard!
Socrates. He was a qualified Dr. an' all.
But The Next Goal was Better
Still my favourite goal. watch the goalkeeper's body language.
Johan Cruyff
is my favourite footballer. Although I think probably Pele and Maradonna and possibly Zidane were better as all-round players. They were more effective too in some ways.
I think Cruyff is quite similar to George Best. The way that he is built and the the way he moves. He is quite surprisingly strong too.I think the film above demonstrates this.
This is a good un'
www.amazon.com/Brillant-Orange-Neurotic-Genius-Football/dp/0747553106
I've gone off it too
I will watch the World Cup and I look forward to it, but have pretty much zero interest in the Premier League and Champions League. In the 90s I would probably any old game on Sky. Now I can't get interested in Arsenal v Man U or Liverpool etc
It was the 1990 World Cup wot done it
for me. Just utterly depressed by all the diving and the cheating; to the extent that I refused to watch the final and have barely seen a game since.
Unfortunately though, I am genetically hard-wired to forever be cursed to follow the fortunes of Derby County; so, even though I couldn't tell you who plays for them nowadays, my mood at 5pm on a Saturday is still largely determined by James Alexander Gordon.
Leeds
Loved footy as a kid, following Leeds in the early 70's but got more and more into rugby as I grew older. I can't be bothered watching any match now, although I did take my son to his first match a couple of years ago (Plymouth beating Colchester 4-1...a good first match to go to!) And by the by, shouldn't your first ever match be under floodlights?
The thing that still facinates me with football nowadays is everything that bubbles under the surface - the business and finance side of it. I could read David Cohn articles till I'm blue in the face.
Sneaky penalty!
.
Yep. And this is how NOT to do it...
Is it just our age?
The 70s just seemed a wonderful time for football with real characters playing the game. The players had fun unlike the sullen faces of today's players. Life must be tough on £150k a week.
I'm still in love with the game but Saturday's result doesn't ruin or make my week like it used to.
Dare I suggest that there's too much football on television now? Television football used to be a treat but it's possible I imagine to watch it now for 24 hours a day.
Also, the working man has been squeezed out of the game because of high admission prices so I think there will be a gap of fans in future years because fathers haven't taken their sons from a young age as they have in previous times.
Hasn't the working man only been squeezed out in England?
Watching football is much much cheaper everywhere else. I sometimes find myself in Munich and I can watch Bayern Munich (if I can get a ticket) for around the same price as my team, Cambridge United, in the Conference. That is insane.
Can't say much about other countries..
but you're quite right with Germany, Simon: football still affordable, stadiums full. And the general public simply refused the whole idea of pay TV back when Sky imposed this on Britain, with boycotts and suchlike. And they're supposed to be sheep!
Result: still a fair amount of free TV football (highlights of all league games, selected live cup games , most Euroleague games live, one Wednesday Champions League game live, and all big tournaments)whereas on Pay TV you can see everything live, including Prem, 24/7.
Free does me, with occasional forays to the pub for selected matches.
The knock-on effect is that TV doesn't pump these obscene amounts of money into the game, which is noticably draining the life and fun out of football in England. There's no way, for instance, that a club over here would send out their reserves for a top-class match, like Wolves did recently.
Now that's not sport.
Cryuff.....No. 1
I can't recommend the 'Brilliant Orange' book (mentioned above) too highly.
Ajax were a so-so team of Championship/League 1 standard throughout their history, despite playing in the capital city, until their emergence (and Cryuff's) in the 60s.
He is Holland's answer to John Lennon.....far more of a 60s icon in Amsterdam than an icon of the following decade.
I agree with all of the above
and I also recommend Ajax Barcelona Cruyff by Frits Barend and Henk van Dorp which is a collection of interviews with Cruyff. There is definitely an English translation of this book.
Don't want to state the bleeding obvious but...
George Best. No arguments please. This is not up for discussion, it is purely a statement of fact.
He is definitely up there
I know the arguments, Bestie had the cartoon dribbling sorted
but wouldnt have carried it off today - not enough of an athlete. I think Cruyff could. And he was a better all rounder.
Oops!
Sorry mate, you are soooo wrong...
in all the accounts of Best by team-mates and contemporaries, before the 'lifestyle problems' kicked in he was noted for being not only a natural athlete, but the hardest trainer at the club, staying back for hours after the official sessions had finished etc. And there's plenty of testament to his vast array of skills - he could do everything on the pitch. Pat Crerand said that George would have probably been the best goalkeeper too, given the chance. So, 'cartoon dribbling'/show-pony? Not on your life!
Ive just watched the 'Bestie' comp again.
Pass me a knife and fork, Ive got some 'Peter Frampton's early band' to eat.
Bloody hell...
That was meant to be a 'none more Word' clever gag.
Reading it back, it's pure Partridge.
Quite liderally...
"Back of the net!" :-)
Things about Johan you should know
1)Brilliant player
2)World's luckiest manager, Won the league 4 consecutive times,3 times because the leaders on the final day messed it up spectacularly,Deportivo la Coruña missed an injury time penalty to hand them the title.
3) He thought Gary Lineker was a winger (No H). Lineker then scored 4 goals for England against Spain. Johan still thought he was right.
4)He took his sacking in a way that made the way DLT took his, look dignified.And like our beloved dave,still bangs on about it. 4-0 to Milan, is all i can say Johan.
5) The way he treated Bobby Robson was a disgrace. He should be ashamed.Did everything he could to belittle Sir Bobby who took all the abuse and retained his dignity throughout.
6)To say he is arrogant is like saying RT can play a bit.
7) he is the president of Barcelona in all but name. He can't return officially otherwise he would have to return about 10 million he got from his testimonial.Joan Laporta is Johan's lawyer
8) He's the manager of Catalunya despite the fact he's lived there for 37 years and doesn't speak Catalan. Something Louis van Gaal was taken to task for after less than 2 weeks.
9) did i mention he is arrogant ?
10) Manages to mention how much better his Barça were even when he's talking about walking his dog.
11) He invented the Phrase 'Anti-Football' as an all-in excuse when Barça lose. 'That 4-0 defeat was because the other team played anti-football' It's been adopted by their so-called supporters and guarantees to wind up any other team's supporters. Johan and Barça are bad losers but even worse winners.
The guy was a football genius but as a bloke he's best avoided.
I really enjoyed that post but
being an arrogant cunt (I think that distills the essence of your thesis) never stopped...Oh too many to mention...
Actually Mr G
that post was better than my doctoral thesis.
yes
really viciously anti Liverpool when we played them IIRC we were killing football according to Johann. Other than that, great player and I echo evrything else everyone said about the Holland 74 team.
spot on Ian
That's what started it. The 0-0 in the UEFA cup semi -final. The best story from that Semi was the second leg.
Local TV commentator Antonio Bassas kept saying "liverpool are anti -football and they are leading from a Penalty that wasn't" (A Kluivert Handball) and trotting out the usual conspiracy Theories that Barça use to explain any defeat. This continued until the final whistle. At the end of the match the referee was a cheat,He'd been paid by Real Madrid (Honestly) and Liverpool were a disgrace to the good name of Football. By the way the Barça supporters started singing "Bring Back Johan".
Anyway,after the match Bassas Interviewed Kluivert( A really nasty Girl Punching man).
This was the interview
AB--"So Patrick,a sad day for Football.Only one team wanted to play football. Barça should be allowed into the final for the good of Football".
PK (Bored Looking)" I wouldn't go that far"
AB--"and what about that illegal penalty ?,it's a disgrace,You didn't even touch it".
PK- "No,I did. it hit my hand. I felt it"
AB- "No ,it didn't. you didn't touch it".
Cue the headline in Bassas's newspaper report
Is Kluivert in the pay of the English ?
Fair points
No objection to any of them. It just strikes me though, that the phrase 'the guy was a *insert area of artistic endeavour here* genius but as a bloke he's best avoided' could be applied to a great many 'heroes'. Off the top of my head, and pertinent to this site, John Lennon and Van Morrison.
And
they were shit at football. Van was always caught out between the goalposts, eating potted herrings.
Come on
He was famished.
The boots story reminds me
Stan Bowles (when at QPR) was always looking for a bit of cash to support his love of the dogs at White City.
He apparently struck an endorsement deal with two manufacturers (Puma & Gola (I think)).
To get round the problem of exclusivity, he went out to play with a boot from each manufacturer.
He also flogged the chairmans shed from the garden of the house Jim Gregory had let him stay in.
My boys have
played a lot of junior football, one to a very high level. Every coach he has come across looks for and teaches "The Cruyff Turn". Says it all really, 30 years on and THAT skill is being taught with the great mans name.
I really don't care what sort of man he is, I won't be going to dinner with him, he was one of the 3 greatest footballers of all time and without doubt the most graceful.
Oh, and I'll never tire of football of course the Premiership is pretentious nonsense but the skill level and pace is rediculously high. If I want proper football I go down to Brentford.
Have an up arrow
and just confirm the 1, 2, 3 for me (in order)
go on
indulge me
No surprises but
I can't commit to an order, Cruyff, Pele, Maradona. I did think C Ronaldo had a chance of breaking in but he needs a BIG world cup and probably should have stayed at Utd but that's another discussion for another day.
Can I be horribly partisan
and give a shout to Brian Laudrup surely the best player ever to grace the Scottish game?
Absolutely fine with me.
:-)
Hardly!
You obviously never saw Peter 'Sumo' Lamont play for the Blue Brazil, then.
Scottish football cult heroes...
Ted McMinn
Chic Charnley
Andy Ritchie
other suggestions?
McMinn
The tin man, right?
McMinn
The tin man, right?
Yes indeed!
legend.
Two stripes
My favourite fact about JC is that in the 74 World Cup he refused to wear the Adidas strip with the three stripes on the arm because he had a sponsorship deal with Puma. Can you imagine any player having the status to outweigh the official sponsor of the national football team at a major competition today? And here's another thing that I noticed; if you go to the TOFFS website (purveyors of fine replica classic football shirts) you'll find a whole series of classic Cryff shirts. The same cult status doesn't seem to be reserved for Pele or Maradonna. I've wondered if it's because Cryff represented an anti-establishment cool in sport in the early-mid 70's and his fans are now at the age when we're happy to indulge our nostalgic flashbacks and dress them up in Cryff shirts. I have an Adidas total football shirt which is ironic given my first point.
Ah, I see...
so not exactly a principled protest against the commercialisation of football, more the rather worldly concern that he had a deal with their erstwhile brother company, now bitter rivals?
Even so
Even Beckham et al have to toe the national sponsor's line irrespective of their personal deal. Remember the controversy of the 98 final when it appeared that Ronaldo of Brazil started the final because of Nike's deal? I'm not sure that I buy it, but the fact that it's even considered worthy of a rumour shows the power of the sports manufacturers.
Please - Ive always convinced myself it
was an ideological decision!
You are gonna tell me that Springsteen cant drive now arent you?
Still a measure of the mans power and ego that he could get away with it
'Bob Dylan'
in 'not really a hobo' shocker...
This guy can play a bit...
Zidane's the man
Maradona all but won a World Cup by himself.
Cruyff and Platini were immensely gifted footballers playing in great and ultimately underachieving teams.
Best played for a great club team, didn't achieve anything at international level.
Gascoigne had it in him to be Europe's finest but wasted all is talent, saw him against the Hoops and he could stroll through games he was so talented.
But, Zizou led teams of fabulously, outrageously talented individuals at club and international to all the great titles. McManaman says he was the best he ever saw.
And he did it all barely touching the ball with his left peg, Brian.
Zizou is undoubtedly one of the greats
but Maradona remains the toppermost of the poppermost imho for the reason you state in your first sentence - all the other true greats (Pele, Cruyff, ZZ) were but one part of a highly talented unit.
I do go along with you in the sense that I feel ZZ's skill is often played down in favour of players from earlier eras, which I feel is exactly the wrong way of looking at it - to use an example from Man U alone there is an argument that (given the massive increase in fitness and professionalism amongst opponents in the intervening years) Ryan Giggs is a better footballer than Best ever was.
Just sayin'...
(BTW, regarding Sunday's high noon showdown - what do you feel about a 'source' from your side making dark allegations about anti-hoops conspiracies amongst referees, 'coincidentally' in the run up to an even more crucial than usual OF game? You'll not be surprised to hear that I feel one of Walter's world-weary withering looks is the best response to that!)
Mowbray must go
Celtic, at very best, 10 points behind - low and behold Celtic complain about referees. How tired is that? Even more tired than Celtic being drawn into it by the Scots media pack.
More distressingly for Celts, Mowbray was like an embarrassing uncle stumbling around in front of the press today answering questions about Keane.
I hate him. A great player for Celtic, but he has never...
Actually, I give up, Doug.
Walter has finally beaten me. A great manager, who loves the club and understands the job. Mowbray doesn't.
The weird thing is...
that there is still an element (highly debatable as to its size/influence) of the Rangers support who wishes Walter and his assistants gone forthwith, to be replaced by, er, they're not sure. Suffice to say that I'm not one of them.
All that said, I could still quite easily see youse winning on Sunday, Keane or no Keane. Form, as I'm sure you well know, goes oot the windae on these occasions. A draw, though, which is my bet, would suit me fine...
An observation about Mowbray - a palpably decent man but if I were in your shoes I would wish for him to ease up on the 'I'm a man of great integrity, this is how I live my life' stuff and concentrate more on putting the best team out to win a match. Whereas Walter came back to Rangers with McCoist and McDowell who aided greatly in lifting the morale about the place (let's draw a veil over Europe), Mowbray seems to have the world on his shoulders which is bound to transfer to the team I would have thought.
George Best played for
George Best played for Northern Ireland, hardly his fault re his international career. Perhaps only Maradonna could carry a whole team but even Argentina had better players that NI. Best did win the european cup and was the best player in a team with a world cup winner. Not too shabby.
Did him a disservice
He scores plenty with the left in this montage.
Bit long, but not a bit sorry.
.
.
Zizou
A genius but unusual in that who had heard of him until he was 23/24?
Also - quick feet, slow legs!
I think when deciding who the real, real greats are, its like Pop - Elvis changed things, The Beatles changed things, Kraftwerk changed things .
Fundamentally.
So...Who are the players that took it somewhere it had never been before? ( ie Best - incredible but did nothing that Pele hadnt already done)
Zico, Rivaldo, Platini,Beckenbauer, Van Basten, Gullit, Henry, Gascoigne, Baggio...all up there but...
I think it goes - Stanley Matthews - Puskas - Di Stefano - Pele - Cruyff - Maradona - Zidane - and maybe Ronaldo (the fat Brazilian one)
Last year I was really lucky.
I went to Rio for summat and met up with a friend who is Brazilian and footy mad. He took me to the Maracana Stadium for a match (there are no words to describe how exciting it was so I wont bother).
I put 'The Greatest?' to him. Dont forget, he is Brazilian and had to almost spit that there was nothing between Pele and Maradona ('The Devil' to him).
He reckons though that, in Brazil, the debate is usually settled by one word...
'Garrincha'.
Matty Le Tiss..
My love of the game waned when he hung up his boots. And it started when I stood at the Milton End one Saturday in 1987 and watched him waltz past half a dozen West Ham players before planting it in the top corner.
Perhaps not in the same league as the luminaries above but.. buggery.. he could play a bit when the mood took him..
You're not wrong there.
Sheer enjoyment - in the sense of him playing and us watching.
Great, great shout Lenny
Le Tiss is everything that's right about football. If we'd had an England manager with an ounce of imagination they would have picked the team the same way Strachan(I think it was Strachan) did. Tiss starts and the rest of you just get the ball to him. Talent, entertainment, imagination, loyalty and just a dash of laziness. Genius!
In short,
the player we all fantasise about being ;-)
I could always do
loyalty and lazy.
Bang on, Dougie.
Something about Matty appealed to all of us. Not a great athelete, but an artist.
I find it interesting that Matty (Mr Saints) and Steve Claridge (Mr Pompey) are now becoming pundits of choice. Absolute opposites; Steve C the archetypal journeyman with lungs of steel, ready to run himself into the ground for the cause whilst Tiss the footy aesthete would grace the pitch as and when the mood took him. Both, however, equally loved by the faithful.
Not lazy...
... nonchalent.
Come off it
It's the same trick everytime. Pick up the ball that has been inaccurately passed to you by extending a leg at an improbably angle, bring under control by flicking it over/round two or three defenders, shimmy a bit and lob it into the top corner of the net from 30 yards. I'm surprised defenders didn't work that out quicker.
And...
Zizou
A genius but unusual in that who had heard of him until he was 23/24?
Also - quick feet, slow legs!
I think when deciding who the real, real greats are, its like Pop - Elvis changed things, The Beatles changed things, Kraftwerk changed things .
Fundamentally.
So...Who are the players that took it somewhere it had never been before? ( ie Best - incredible but did nothing that Pele hadnt already done)
Zico, Rivaldo, Platini,Beckenbauer, Van Basten, Gullit, Henry, Gascoigne, Baggio...all up there but...
I think it goes - Stanley Matthews - Puskas - Di Stefano - Pele - Cruyff - Maradona - Zidane - and maybe Ronaldo (the fat Brazilian one)
Last year I was really lucky.
I went to Rio for summat and met up with a friend who is Brazilian and footy mad. He took me to the Maracana Stadium for a match (there are no words to describe how exciting it was so I wont bother).
I put 'The Greatest?' to him. Dont forget, he is Brazilian and had to almost spit that there was nothing between Pele and Maradona ('The Devil' to him).
He reckons though that, in Brazil, the debate is usually settled by one word...
'Garrincha'.
Not The Greatest but still wonderful
there's a Bergkamp compilation that's great too.
boyhood football heroes
Wonderful post. Haven't seen that footage before. I remember getting a Match of the Day annual for Xmas in the late 70s where the Cruyff turn (flicking the ball behind the back of his legs to fool defenders) was explained in a useful sequence of diagrams. I tried to practice it in the back garden but never quite managed it, my legs were far too short.
My Dad used to let me stay up late on Saturday nights to watch the match and together we'd marvel at Stan Bowles, Frank Worthington, Gerry Francis, Ray Wilkins, Trevor Francis, Tony Currie, Ray Kennedy, Kenny Dalglish, Ricky Villa, Peter Lorimer, Paul Mariner, Liam Brady etc. If you want elegant skillful players, look no further.
I always watch the World Cup and the big cup matches but I stopped following the Premier league years ago, when frankly it all got a bit too boring for me and lost its magic. Paul Gasgoigne was probably the last top player I saw live at Wembley who really thrilled me. I saw Rooney et al a few months ago and it was like watching paint dry.
Speaking of magic on the ball, and being a N. Irishman, I'll post some Georgie next "May God rest his soul".
some more George!