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Jeremy Clarkson: Britain's Most Ridiculous Man?
Standing in the Tube station this morning, my eye was caught by a poster of Jeremy Clarkson advertising his new book called something like Fear Of Squirrels. I'm sure you'll find it in the comedy section at Watersone's.
Wearing his usual bewildered by modern Britain/You couldn't make it up/We're all going to Hell in a handcart look, it struck me that he really is the silliest man in Britain and has inexplicably become this huge star. And it's not about the cars.
So, who are his fans? What sort of person finds that sort of person amusing? He's nothing more than a light entertainment Littlejohn yet seems not to get backs up, despite having a column in The Sun.
His boorishness may well be an act, but it's not funny and it's not clever. It's actually completely tiresome. With his elasticated waist mom jeans and blouson jacket collection that's surely the envy of no one but Kate O'Mara and Dr Hilary Jones, this clown has become something of a national treasure.
Why?
What am I missing?
I'm going for a lie down.
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I find him
ooh, what's the phrase... oh yeah "such an unpleasant troll on every level". Doncha think?
I've changed my mind
you're the most ridiculous man in Britain.
Honestly, get over yourself.
I thought you'd gone
for a lie down.
Five Centres
If you believe MyAnericanMate is trolling - and his post would almost certainly appear to confirm that - please do as we ask in the FAQ and ignore him.
Sorry Fraser
Ad hominem sniping is more than mere trolling
Repeatedly dragging up months-old spats, spites, slurs and slights apropos of absolutely bugger all isn't just trolling. It's deliberately going after one particular person to stir up trouble, piss that person off no end, and so, yet again, sour the atmosphere of a potentially good thread before it's even got off the ground.
It may take two to tango - hence your keenness to be seen to be even-handed on these occasions, I presume, Fraser - but it only takes one to crunch the sole of his boot into the stink bomb.
Again.
Thank you Archie
That's it in a nutshell.
Arise
The kangaroo court is in session.
What does that mean?
I'd say that even though 5-C probably shouldn't have bitten (although doubtless I would've, too) MAM was bang out of order: off-topic, deliberately provocative, needlessly dragging up an ancient slight.
No? Am I missing summat?
It wasn't aimed at 5-C
Fraser had handled the minor spat well and nipped it in the bud. Now we have Archie performing the blogging equivalent of running the length of the pitch to get involved in a some handbags that had nothing to do with him, with the sole intention of trying to get another poster banned.
All very unnecessary.
Ah, I see.
My bad. Consider me uninvolved.
You may well be right...
about the running the length of the pitch bit, at least. It's just that as a former snipee myself I know how Five-Centres must have felt.
You're quite wrong about my intention being to try to get MAM (or anyone else) banned, though. As it happens, he's posted lots of really good stuff recently. I simply get royally pissed off when promising threads are deliberately kiboshed - by him or anyone else - with sniper fire: aiming for a specific person out of nowhere, based on ancient, irrelevant disputes that are no longer of interest to anybody but the sniper.
Still - onwards and upwards, eh. (Or rather downwards, which is where the good stuff in this thread is.)
Sorry
for misreading your intention.
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I'm lost and not for the first time but what is trolling and what did MAM say that offended 5-C? I can't find the FAQ bit to find out myself.Thanks Fraser
Trolling
is explained in the FAQ, which can be found here: http://wordmagazine.co.uk/faq/ (the link's at the bottom of every page on this site too).
This isn't really for you or I to get into, but MAM made a reference to something 5C said (directed towards MAM) in a thread a few days or weeks back.
Though, I think, "move along, nothing to see here" would be my advice.
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Advice taken Joe although I was referring to what MAM said about a troll in his reply to 5-c OP.Cheers
Trolling is deliberatly posting something that is designed to
wind people up to elicit a response.
I guess the definitive Word troll would be along the lines of "That Richard Thompson is crap isn't he? The bloke from Muse is a MUCH better guitar player"
Gosh
like that never happens here.
Guys! Guys! Look at us...
1:26
Vivian's wearing a Rush T-shirt!
I'm sure he is!
Once again
As you've been asked before, please reign in the sniping and sarcasm, and if you have a personal issue with another poster, take it offline.
Yep, back in my day
it would be hold my coat and a good bout of fisticuffs, none of this hiding behind a computer screen with snipey little comments malarkey!
Someone...
...claimed the other day that Frankie Boyle is, and I quote, "a maverick". I think there's a certain kind of person that sees Clarkson the same way, just because he says ill-thought-out things. Apparently that's now the same as cutting-edge independent thinking. I don't begin to understand it.
The kind of national treasure
The kind of national treasure I could happily see buried .
I love him on Top Gear...
but I have to admit that I don't spend a great deal of time (none, in fact) worrying about what he stands for. He is a strangely-loveable buffoon as far as I'm concerned. I find his passion for cars ridiculous yet I always watch his programmes. He is a great TV presenter and that's enough for me.
Ditto
I've always liked him as a presenter and motoring journalist and I think your 'loveable buffoon' description is spot-on. I don't agree with his political views but where is it written that we can only like those whose views we agree with? He strikes me as a decent chap.
Thritto
Although the worry is when someone like JC (Clarkson... not Christ) becomes lauded by a large number and instead of having a harmless laugh at the expense of environmentalists, cyclists, people with left-leaning views, etc., some kind of hateful mania might get whipped up.
That's all it is though - a worry.
Exactly
I've always thought that he's an excellent journalist and columnist and a fine writer in general. (As are many of the people I often disagree with, including - makes crucifix sign with fingers - Jan Moir.)
Just because Clarkson opted some time ago to go mainstream/downmarket doesn't mean he's not as sharp as he ever was. People don't disparage Clive James because he once presented a programme rehashing woeful Japanese game shows, do they? So why single out Jeremy Clarkson for our disapproval? The only answer that occurs to me is because he's considered by some to be too right-wing or politically incorrect, but he's nowhere near as right-wing and politically incorrect as Auberon Waugh was, but he somehow got a pass because he wrote for Private Eye, an "approved" publication.
Doesn't it all smack a bit of "That player must be crap because he doesn't play for my team"?
There's a great point
He's a very good writer. It's difficult to write the kind of bantering, flowing and generally amusing stuff that is his normal output. Whether the reader happens to like it or not is a separate issue; it doesn't means there no skill involved.
It's a bit like watching Jimmy Carr (or his spiritual antecedant Bob Monkhouse). They may not be immediately lovable or warm, like some other comics, but in terms of delivery and skill, they were/are very good.
I do read his books from time to time. It's harder to read one all at once, but they are certainly good to dip in and out of, possibly because they were originally written as columns and were designed to be consumed in those bite sizes.
Gee, I don't know
so many people round so these parts seem to find sexism, xenophobia (crypto-racism) and a vast misunderstanding of machismo appealing. Maybe he's really in touch with the national mood.
"Maybe he's really in touch with the national mood."
He hosts one of the most popular television shows in the UK which is (I believe) BBC Worldwide's biggest selling export.
His books regularly top the best seller charts.
He has columns in both the Sun and the Sunday Times.
You know, maybe he *is* really in touch with the national mood.
That's all
I was sayin'
Of course, Top Gear is one of the most popular
English-language imports in the US as well ;-)
Just to help you with this one
and in a purely non aggro manner, back when I were at Uni we used to get high, stay up all night (nothing new there) and tune in C-SPAN to watch their re-broacasts of Prime Minister's Questions. Pissed ourselves laughing. Could not believe fully grown professional politicians behaved in that manner. Fat, pink men waving papers and bickering and yeah-booing each other. Perhaps that explains a) why Engerland seems my spiritual home and b) Clarkson's popularity there.
I would argue
that despite representing them, the behaviour of the politicians in the UK bears little to no resemblance to that of the people.
And I would not argue back
However, things like PMQ and Clarkson give viewers/readers/listeners their perception (informed or otherwise) about a place and people they have or have had limited exposure to.
It happens here all the time.
Yeah and don't get me started
on Richard Curtis films
Much like my impression of the US
was based on Kojak, Streets of San Francisco and sundry movies, till I actually got there.
"The National Mood"
What is it?
If it's part of the same generic labelling as "society" and "the public" then it's not for me and given that the readership of Word magazine - I think - resides somewhere in the 20,000-30,000 a month category then I suspect it probably isn't for many of those on here. The Massive to me is a collection of individuals, nothing more or less than that: it has no common purpose other than to allow individuals some room to speak.
Clarkson is one of those people who talks a lot of sense to people who prefer other people to do their thinking for them; people who prefer received opinion than formulating one of their own. In TV terms he's a format and the BBC loves to put formats in front of any programme it can afford to pay the format to front. Like all formats it rarely has the capacity to stretch to the limits set for it and increasingly becomes the Tiring Arsehole, the flogged horse in that Derek and Clive sketch.
That said Clarkson is sometimes amusing to read in his column and does have ideas and views worth reading (whether you agree with them or not) but on-screen he is more like a parody of the Top Gear presenter he used to be. I don't think Clarkson has changed much from when he started out it's just that he's been cossetted to make a little go a long way because - and I quite believe it - he appeals to a "national mood", hence he is a popular format rather than a presenter. But as I say his appeal is that he doesn't have to do much that is original or unique because just saying something provocative or mildly prejudicial is apparently what many people want without fear of having the view challenged because if it was they would be forced to contemplate that view from a different perspective: their own.
I caught an episode of Top Gear on one of the satellite channels the other week in which he was ejaculating into his pants about some car he was driving. It was frankly a total embarrassment from start to finish, the equivalent of having a conversation as a teenager about sex with your mum and dad. I realise some people like cars an awful lot but this was really the views of a man who has very little to say about cars anymore but an awful lot to say about himself.
Clarkson isn't a person anymore, he's a simulacra for the disaffected white middle-aged, middle-class male who rather than accept he's missed the boat and should either find alternative transport or accept his fate "like a man" would rather take pot-shots at the boat from the quayside in the vain and arrogant expectation that the boat will turn back for him. At one point in my life that could have been me but then I realised that I should just go off and build my own boat and see who wanted to sail on it with me rather than mock everyone else's just because I couldn't board it.
Oh fer christ's sake..
It's a fun tv programme.
I wasn't talking about the
programme. I was talking about Clarkson.
Which was the basis of the thread.
The sentence you wrote...
"Clarkson is one of those people who talks a lot of sense to people who prefer other people to do their thinking for them; people who prefer received opinion than formulating one of their own."
completely summed up EXACTLY why I dislike the man. Thank you!
I'm not so keen
It suggests those who like his stuff can't think for themselves. Bit of an unfounded sweeping generalisation. Sounds rather superior and condescending. I'm sure many of them have their own opinions. I imagine his readership, those who enjoy his work, are quite varied. I expect they find him entertaining and humourous, but don't necessarily agree with all his views or need him to think for them.
People also make these kinds of assumptions about Sun readers and X Factor viewers, believing they take it all seriously and must be a bit lacking. Many go for a bit of light relief in their entertainment mixed in with more demanding fare.
Exactly...
He's a television presenter on a "laddish" type show which thumbs it's nose at the modern culture of political correctness whilst genuinely seeming to have a good time. (which is why it is no doubt so popular)
I'm sure he is more leaning to the right in his personal views but in no way have I seen him come across in the hate filled way of a Littlejohn type.
I consider myself far to the left of modern politics but sometimes it is important to get one's head out of one's backside and just have a giggle instead of overthinking every bloody thing we read or see.
Which is why I qualified
it with the statement "talks a lot of sense to people who prefer" and made it part of the theme of "national mood". I did start my post with the idea of trying to guage what a "national mood" represents". It is also in reference to the theme of Clarkson's "political" views rather than his role as a presenter per se.
I can only offer anecdotal evidence but I have been party to discussions about Clarkson's opinions on cars, alternative transport, foreigners and politics and when I have put forward a different view or counter-argument to Clarkson's I'm treated like my opinion has no merit because I'm not Clarkson who apparently "knows more" or I'm told words to the effect of "lighten up" because apparently it's OK to make a serious point or make a prejudicial statement with a twinkle in your eye and a quip at the end rather than make a serious point seriously that doesn't go with the consensus. Even if I offer an ironic or witty retort the very fact that I think differently is treated with suspicion. Can't rock the boat of consensus.
Therefore my conclusion is that these people (i.e. those who "prefer") are happy to use Clarkson's opinion as the basis of their own and have no time for anyone else's unless it concurs with that opinion. Perhaps I should get out less and stop meeting people who don't think and act like me but if I did that I'd miss out on meeting those people who actually like a frank exchange of views and don't feel the need to qualify everything that is said with a need to "lighten up" or to find a consensus for fear of - god forbid - being adult about having a difference of opinion that doesn't need everything to be reduced to a series of bland and safe statements that actually say next to nothing that hasn't need said before (e.g. by Clarkson).
As I also explained I too find Clarkson amusing and valid in the expression of his views just not in a carte blanche way which, in my experience, many people take as the start and end point. It often seems that simply having the gumption to express an opinion in a bullish manner gives the opinion legitimacy. I should know, I'm doing it right now :).
As for slumming it with red-tops and X-factor then "yes" they can be read and viewed for many different reasons but I wasn't making that point or alluding to people who "prefer" to read/view on a different basis to that implied by my generalisation.
Jeez I sound like a f**king boring arse sometimes but somewhere in that distribe is an explanation of why I said what I said the way I did.
But yeah it does read back as superior and condescening if you don't give me the benefit of the qualification I made.
Ahh, I just took what you said
as an implied criticism of those who like his stuff - I guess I missed the nuance. Sorry if what I interpreted your comment as was not what you said. I did read the whole of your post. I think you could say that about any opinionated journalist, populist or otherwise, i.e. there will always be some who take such views as some sort of instruction on what to think - they will be influenced by those views without questioning them.
I'm no fan
but, to my mind, he embodies the slightly right-wing man who feels a bit lost in the world. He's past his prime and, although he used to be cutting edge, the modern world now routinely baffles him. This may be a sweeping generalisation, but I suspect that description fits a LOT of people.
Cutting Edge
"he embodies the slightly right-wing man who feels a bit lost in the world. He's past his prime and, although he used to be cutting edge, the modern world now routinely baffles him".
Apart from the cutting edge bit that pretty much describes me.
That's probably a fair description of me as well...
:-)
I did have
tongue firmly in cheek writing that description, knowing it could apply to one or two posters!
However, I'm definitely not lumping you in with Clarkson. If that's how you feel about things, it's how you deal with it. Clarkson's writing is part of a wider trend in books (particularly short, column-filled, read-for-5-minute books) that leads to published works with titles like Is It Just Me Or Is Everything Shit?.
I'd say he's driven by impotent rage, and speaks for a lot of people.
I don't want to try and take the cultural high ground, but it's lowest common denominator stuff. Clarkson (and Top Gear), X Factor, and several other things - all easy to digest stuff that doesn't interest me in the slightest, but is extremely popular.
I prefer the current format
of Top Gear because I don't have to watch it as a petrol-head. Some of the tasks they perform are nothing short of hilarious. The task I remember most vividly from a recent series was the one where they each had to take some form of mobile accommodation with them for a weekend away. It was just great TV from start to finish and had me roaring with laughter. In those situations I find Clarkson and May are particularly good as foils for the calamaties all around them: it is in their reactions that there is something quintessentially British about them that is appealing. The more serious piece they did on the last show of that series about the death of the British car industry was affecting and worthy but delivered in an accessible way. Both very different pieces of "entertainment" but both high quality.
It's when Clarkson goes solo especially when he reviews a car on the show - as was his stock in trade originally - that I find him at his most self-parodying and boorish.
I think to compare Top Gear and X-Factor as similar "lowest common denominator stuff" is superficial. I think Top Gear is high quality popular entertainment whereas X-factor is permanently circling the rim of the toilet. On Top Gear the presenters are as much the butt of jokes and slap-downs so no one gets hurt whereas with X-factor the presenters are deified and placed on undeserving pedestals that "ordinary folk" are supposed to accept as the way of things. There's no bear-baiting with Top Gear or sense that the viewer is less worthy. Top Gear manages to keep the idea that the presenters are conduits for the viewers' own fantasies and pleasures in relation to cars or being able to do stuff that is fun.
I think you've nailed a key part of Clarkson's appeal with regard to "impotent rage". It's how you deal with impotent rage. It seems to me Clarkson deals with apparent "impotent rage" by earning a lot of money generally pursuing hobbies and a bucket list. Just how much "impotent rage" does such a lifestyle warrant?
And, in fairness to him
it appears thinks pretty much the same about himself ig you listen to interviews and chats with him.
There are two Clarksons, I think. There's the, "one of the lads in the pub" Clarkson who does the Top Gear and Sun stuff. Populist and a bit conservaive (notice small c). Then there's the slightly more serious-minded Clarkson who does the really interestig docs (like some of the WWII stuff he did, the Brunel stuff and his Who Do you Think You Are).
They collided a bit at the end of the Top Gear special they did doing the road trip across the US south. I thought what he said when going into New Orleans was eloquent, heartfelt and the sign of someone whose heart is fundamentally in the right place.
And even though I'm someone he'd probably describe as a yoghurt-knitting tree-hugger because I'm a Guardian reader, I rather like him.
That's pretty much how I see it as well
He plays the 'Jeremy Clarkson' character for laughs because he knows it will wind people up and, as a character, it works.
He obviously has a deep love and respect for engineering, British history and the armed forces. That together with his 'Who Do You Think You Are' programme makes me think the real JC is a successful, slightly right of centre, middle-aged, middle-England bloke who makes his money playing a role also called 'Jeremy Clarkson'.
I suspect he'd be very personable company over a beer.
He's
not.
Oooh,
you should hear what Clarkson says about you...
;)
Brunel
He came across really well in the Brunel programme. I don't watch his programme and I don't read his columns so I don't get excited about him, though what I hear about killing cyclist etc is clearly just being silly. Seems a shame he's chosen to act the fool but that's his business. Doesn't impact on me at all.
Spot, and indeed, on.
It doesn't matter how much I over-analyse the Top Gear trope, I still come to the same conclusion. They are all basically likeable characters, and the programme they make together has me chuckling like a child for an hour each week.
Clarkson is someone I'd be very much be inclined to agree to disagree with on a lot of things; and the nub is that I'm pretty sure that I'd like him enough to want to agree first, and disagree second. There are plenty of people in the public eye I'd disagree with first, and then be inclined to punch, so that's a pretty strong factor in his favour.
I suspect
many of his stetements are made because saying things calculated to incense the more "right-on" members of British society is now his brand image, his schtick. I think he started off with a few slightly right-of-centre, Guardian-unfriendly views, but now amplifies this characteristic into a caricature of his real personality and views. Which is what happens to most TV personalities, I guess. When he appears on QI he generally reveals himself to be rather more intelligent and sane than is otherwise evident, though The Schtick is even creeping in there, on his last couple of appearances.
I can't bear him
He's popular because he has a platform to provide glib, uninformed social commentary which, because it tends to err on the side of 'carry on what you're doing, don't go to any effort to look after your fellow human beings or the planet' has a certain lazy appeal to some sectors of society. The fact that he is relatively uncensored and unfettered by anything so prissy as 'political correctness' (otherwise known as 'thoughfulness' or 'politeness') makes him something of a renegade, a characteristic he plays up to.
Ultimately he's the Daily Mail if it was a bloke: right wing, scandalised by anything and everything, ludicrous levels of self-righteousness. The fact that everyone from teenagers to 60-somethings idolise him - often overlooking his ultra-conservative outlook purely because he is enthusiastic about cars - is very depressing.
No that's not fair
I hug a tree every day - in fact I'm hugging one right now - and I do actually knit my own yoghurt - but even I can see you're projecting something onto him that's not there. He's what used to be called a droll. (Probably a joke there somewhere)- his horse face and elaborate similes take him into Frankie Howerd territory if anything. He really isn't like Littlejohn or the other white-lipped-with-rage abjectly-lying-for-cash corrupt arseholes of that ilk on the Mail or Express - who DO merit your contempt
He's always said his idol is Auberon Waugh and while funny he's not as smart as Waugh, nor is he as genuinely vicious. He is pretty adept at winding people up, sometimes it goes very wrong. The point is that while he might be irritating at times he's normally funny, he's not driven by hatred, he's plainly happy most of the time (unlike say Moyles), he's the butt of half the jokes, and you really should watch Glen Beck or one of that crowd to see the sort of person you are describing in action.
He's not the start of the slippery slope to Anne Coulter - though come to think of it a heavy weight at the top of a slippery slope leading to Anne Coulter is a pleasing idea.
There was a woman on the train...
who I always found very attractive. Then one day, she was reading a Clarkson book, and I was so distraught I had to change trains. Perhaps she was a book reviewer and was about to deliver a withering 500 words on Clarkson's latest denim-clad diatribes... but I suspect not.
Maybe
she fancied ypu and thought you were the type of bloke who would like Clarkson so she bought the book to impress you even thou it hurt her eyes to even pretend to read his lazy xenophobia.
Walk right back to her and give her a great big kiss
I think it is an act
I warmed to him when he did a road trip to France. His little Englander portrayal didn't last long when he admitted that everything that mattered to him was better than back home, roads, food, cost of living etc.
I liked that too
I think the Little Englander thing is entertaining but he's not slow to talk up the good parts of 'Foreign'.
His european series Clarkson Meets the Neighbours was instructive because he went around with a fairly open mind and was generally extremely positive and warm about the countries he went to (France and Germany stood out as I remember).
I think it's pretty much an act too
and he knows exactly the buttons to push to get under the skin of what I am sure he would say are the 'bleeding-heart, liberal, Guardian readers'
By getting annoyed you are just encouraging him. I think Clarkson can be boorish certainly, but I don't think he is nasty in the way Littlejohn is. And after all, there is an awful lot of bullshit in the world.
No, I think he is nasty
His comments about Gordon Brown mark him down as an arse.
I wonder...
...what his views are on slow-moving caravans?
Top Gear
I like him on Top Gear, his wordplay is often very enjoyable, but I've not tried his books.
I probably don't agree with much that he says (his dismissiveness of any kind of environmental/sustainability arguments for example) but he clearly plays it up for laughs.
On 'Top Gear'
he makes me laugh, he does some excellent interviews, for the star in a reasonably priced car slot, and he can be very eloquent and rather inspired with his use of language when describing cars and all that. Sometimes he's a bit of a prat too, which he seems aware of and his co-presenters happlily mock him for it. His views when expressed on this show have never offended me and I'm not right wing.
I've never read his books or Sun column, though I do often feel things are going to hell in a handcart.
Once when he presented HIGNFY he did come over as a bit of a tosser I must admit.
Overall my experience of the guy is favourable.
though I do often feel things are going to hell in a handcart. .
*rushes to check if the postman's been*
He's happy to laugh at himself
And that is a good trait in anyone.
He's a professional irritant...
... who lacks the wit and skill of PJ O'Rourke.
He reminds me of Bono. So basically he's someone whose work I despise but who I'd hate to meet because I might end up liking him.
Ignore him - he won't go away though
I don't understand why he's popular but then I could generate a pretty long list of that category. The good thing is that in general, he's pretty easy to avoid (his QI appearances are not nearly as bad as they might be). I'm sure Alan Partridge would approve of him.
He's a damn rude chap
I used to like JC and Top Gear. Until Clarkson blasted his horn whilst I was crossing the road in Woodstock several years ago. Other than having the temerity to step on to a zebra crossing in front of him I have no idea what I did. I just smiled and received the one fingered salute. Charming man. Bloody Yorkshireman (sorry..does that count as a troll? It's ok. I'm a Lancastrian)
You think Top Gear is bad?
You really ought to see the Australian version, it's much, much worse than the UK edition.
I know this is hard to believe, but the Aussie franchise is even more downmarket, boorish and blokey than the British version.
It's sanctioned by Clarkson and co and has their blessing, so true to form the Aussies have slavishly copied the original format, while skilfully leaving out what little subtly was there to start with.
So what remains are three boorish, unshaven Aussie blokes in checked shirts insulting each other, while blathering on about powerful Aussie cars.
Here's a clip from the first Aussie series. Two of these dorks were quickly replaced by the time of the second series. I'll leave you to work out which ones and why.
I like Clarkson
I'll watch anything he does and read anything he writes.
Sometimes Mr Hepworth...
...I suspect that you take a secret pleasure in, shall we say, challenging the perceived norms of a part of your readership.
Now, get back to yer Daily Mail and leave us to get on with slagging off that talentless no-mark Clarkson.
Or it could of course just be...
that he simply likes Jeremy Clarkson. As I do.
Indeed it could
I suspect not just that though. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing, either; just an observation.
As a 50-something middle-class middle-England male
much of what he says resonates with me - nanny state, UK no longer making 'stuff', environment, etc etc
I've taken the Guardian since 1968 :-)
I don't like Clarkson
I've tried to watch Top Gear and I just don't get it. It's all bit 'blokey' for my sensitive tastes.
I shouldn't like him
but I do. His attitude and politics are all wrong, but there seems to be no malice in his public persona.
And besides, he once chinned that twunt Piers Morgan. I'd give him a knighthood just for that.
Yes!
I'd forgotten that. Apparently, he said it has been the only time in his life he's ever struck out properly in anger at anyone.
Well, if you're only going to do it once then at least pick a deserving target.
Honestly
'He assaulted another bloke I don't like from the telly', is a pretty poor foundation for approval.
Which is of course true
He should have hit him again in a premeditated fashion. Even if it was the only thing I liked about him - for all his faults it isn't - even a grudging nation would still thank him for clattering Morgan - who really IS poison
A good start though.
My enemy's enemy is my friend.
what about if you found
out that your enemy was his own worst enemy*
*copyright Richard Herring
Another vote for Clarkson here
I am a long way from being right wing and don't agree with much of what he says but then I'm sure much of that is done for effect and to remain in character.He writes well amd makes entertaining television programmes. What's not to like?
Clarkson - Its a Bore Thing
He has flogged it pretty well to death by now, hasn't he? He started as a presenter and he was quite sparky. Slowly but surely it became an act. I don't watch him and I don't read him. I have seen and read it all before. It just now has a megaphone. The last of his non-comedy programs on 2nd War heroes was good.He can do it when he wants. He just doesn't want to as there is not much money in it.
A pedant writes...
He first came to prominence as a print journalist.
A Memory Fails
Yes,
I re-call that now. I understand he went in to tv because the money was so good. He wasn't wrong.
Not get peoples backs up?
He irritates me like you wouldn't believe.
If I were Levis I would sue him for their drop in sales. Who on Earth wants to look like him? Complete knob.
As for his comments about my beloved Birmingham - if you don't like the place don't come here.We have standards to maintain.
Another Clarkson fan here
I find I can enjoy his work without agreeing with everything he says.
Individually they are probably alright
but get the 3 of the TG presenters together and they seem go all schoolboy-japes-and-pranks.
Think Russell Brand, Jonathan Ross and Ronnie Corbett after too much fizzy dandelion and burdock mixed with meths.
That was you though wasn't it...
Trying to get your money's worth after hours at the Aspidistra?
Yeah
and it gives you an awful headache and a sore back...
Clarkson
is great. Top Gear is good fun and is often breathtakingly shot - some of the best in television. The documentary that Clarkson did on the St. Nazaire raid was brilliant television which rightfully placed the heroic actions of a group of men right at the forefront of the story.
He's a good writer and an amusing man in general. Sometimes he says things that are a bit irritating. So what? Even Morrissey does that.
Ha ha
I like the comparison. He's the antiMorrissey.
Yep.
Clarkson only *pretends* to be a hideously right-wing idiot. ;-)
Clarkson is trying to be the British P.J. O'Rourke. And failing.
I put this to him via an email to Simon Mayo's 5live show when Clarko was flogging his Xmas DVD a couple of years ago. It was read out. Clarko agreed. In spades. He worships at the altar of PJ and held his hands up to trying hard and not being worthy, etc.
He is playing a part which pays him money. His opinions won't change the World.
The two programmes he made about the St Nazaire raid and the Victoria Cross showed him using his powers for good. Both were spot on.
That comparison occurred to me too
(...honest.)
I'm grudgingly respectful that he acknowledges it, and his failing.
I don't so much have a problem with him, as with the men (and they are all men) who think he's serious and repeat his utterances as if they are profound social insights.
Britain's most ridiculous man?
How could Clarkson take that title when we have Jonathan Ross?
Personally, I can't stand him. I find him vile beyond measure. I'm not his target audience (unless one defines "target" as an object in his sights on a bike, as Jezza puts his put through the floor of his latest dick substitute and sends another snivelling liberal to kingdom come), so I doubt he's losing too much sleep over it.
Off screen, a friend of mine used to frequent the same cafe as him in West London, and said he was charmless and surly with the staff, which is a pretty good measure of a person in my book.
Still, if I had to have a pint with Clarkson or Piers Morgan, I'd choose Clarkson, no question. I think Piers Morgan is in his own rarified category of despicability.
Strongly agree
I remain baffled as to why the boy Ross is so successful back in Blighty. At least Clarkson, as noted above, can write.
Ross- can't interview, epically fond of himself, no discernible talent.
(breaks Kitkat: "You'll go a long way.")
Ross
has a finely honed comedy mind and is a brilliant improviser. His radio show was often essential listening.
Even the infamous Ross/Brand encounter was really funny until, like schoolboys egging each other on, they went too far.
I don't dispute that...
And I maintain that he is utterly ridiculous. His narcissism is of an order that books could be written about it. On his TV chat show, as it was towards the end, his preening, lasciviousness, thinly disguised homophobia and sycophancy were sickening to me.
I used to love his radio show. That too palled after a while, for similar reasons as with the TV show. And I would say there was an element of the bully about him in some of his dealings with callers. It was fine in the banter with Andy Davies, who seemed well able to look after himself; I wasn't so sure about some of the callers. Ross is very witty and sharp, and sometimes it made for uncomfortable listening.
"Thinly disguised homophobia"?
I'm not disagreeing with you as I'm only an infrequent watcher of Mr Ross. But is this a view held by others?
Not by me
People of all persuasions are fair game for comedy.
That doesn't equal homophobia by any stretch of the imagination
Ross lost me
When he was younger her could get away with the slightly edgy, cheeky schtick. As he's gotten older, however, he increasingly reminds me of the slightly creepy uncle who turns up at most family weddings, spends most of his time leering at the bridesmaids and makes them uncomfortable by telling them off-colour gags and trying to be 'down with the kids'.
However sharp he may be, he hasn't moved with time, so as far as I'm concerned he just looks a bit silly now.
Plus, his review of Kevin Smith's Clerks II was one of the most bilious, nasty things I've seen on TV for a while. He didn't like the film, that much was clear and perfectly acceptable. So why did he then feel the need to mount a full-on trashing of the man's entire career? He just sounded very,very petty.
And interestingly...
the poster tagline for the really rather fine Clerks II was, "With no power comes no responsibility". A line that was lifted for Mrs. Ross's Kick-Ass.
Domo arigato gozaimas, Ross-san!
.... I always thought he was at his best writing and presenting his Japanorama series on BBCs 2 and 4, clearly at home in downtown Akihabara amongst the other Otaku and sararimen, talking about all matters Nipponese with passion, expertise and insight. Now he's been booted oot the BBC's home prefecture, I fear there'll be no more of these. Not likely that ITV would ever make such a programme.
... and Dadwardo, thanks for the hoot reminding me of that 'Alien Invasion' ad from what, 20 years ago! That bloke was also the Italian officer on 'Allo allo'!
BR
FT
You see that's the drawback of the "have a pint with" measure
A very long time ago, I did actually stand at a bar with Piers Morgan and had a pint with him while we were both waiting for friends to arrive. He was genuinely quite open and nice to chat with. He opened up the banter with "have you been stood up too?".
Couldn't agree more..
Clarkson is a buffon, pure and simple, and doesn't he take himself SERIOUSLY!
Piers Morgan ....smug, horrible , vile.
Er... no, he doesn't take himself at all seriously.
Fwoooooooaaar! Be calm, ladies, be calm...
well well well!
I didn't use to like him, but now....
Actually, no. As you were. Nice picture though! A perfect angle.
That's...
...clearly photoshopped.
Clarkson is obviously a clever man and just like the editors of those dreadful lads mags (FHM, Loaded, Zoo etc) he knows exactly how to appeal to the worst aspects of the modern macho bloke.
Good luck to him, he's made a fortune out of pretending to be one of them.
So...
What have I missed?
Nothing you'd
want to take notice of.
0 to 100 in 24 hours...
that's some serious blog acceleration.
I was rather hoping
it would then just stay at 100 but no such luck.
well really!
Come on boys.. It's Christmas!
Indeed...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roaring-Vibrating-Engine-Pencil-Sharpener/dp/B00...
In summary then
If Jeremy Clarkson were a sandwich,
[adopt risible throaty tone]
it'd be a Marmite one.
[switch back to drole aside mode]
But at least no one's forcing you to eat one.
[cut to Richard Hammond stuck up a tree on a Vespa]
I like him overall
But he said one thing in one of his columns that bothers me. He said that Microwaves shouldn't require you to put in a time because what bloke of a certain age can be bothered to do that?
He said that he tends to just bash in 8888 and see what happens.
So does he remove his undies when he sits on the bog - or is that just too hard to do as well?
I don't REALLY understand
what people have against him.
Is he just an annoying personality? Fair enough.
Or has he voiced some reprehensible opinion that I'm not aware of? I suppose it may be his global warming skepticism. So that's fair enough if it's the type of thing that offends you.
Personally, I quite like him. Larger than life, and clearly quite intelligent. I've dipped into his writings, and I can only remember curmudgeonly stuff about the sorry state of modern pop music or TV or whatever. I tend to agree.
He says stupid things
like he will kill cyclists if they stop in front of him, he doesn't care about the environment, etc. Many examples, but try this...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/the-people-vs-jeremy-c...
Personally I think he's an idiot and ignore him, but in answer to your question, this is why people don't like him.
I think he says what a lot of people really think
The difference is, he'll say it out loud safe in the knowledge it'll generate a minor storm of indignation.
I watched his documentary on 'The greatest raid' last night; I can't imagine anyone could have presented it better. A Dan Snow would have been too dry and dispassionate. It needed someone who could convey the insanity of what the Commandos did and the courage of those who took part. Someone who'd visit the site of the raid and convey sheer open-mouthed amazement at what happened.
That is one of his
appealing traits. He expresses admiration and respect when he thinks it is merited in very unequivocal terms. In that respect whilst his ego can be monstrous I never sense that he thinks the world revolves around him. It just seems to be his fans who think that. :)
Frustrating
I agree on a subject he cares about he's really good. It's when he's playing Idiot Bloke I switch off. Well, I don't switch on actually.
Long ago
He wrote a column for Performance Car magazine, and it was clear then that he had star quality - funny, provocative and always worth reading. In print it's not always clear how far his tongue is lodged in his cheek; I made the mistake of looking at the comments section of his Times column online and it was just a train of people fervently agreeing with what were clearly silly exaggerations meant for comic effect. Those people not getting it doesn't make him a bad journalist any more than David Cameron liking the Smiths makes them a bad band. (They are, but not for that reason...)
Rather Clarkson than Kyle any day of the week.
That is all.