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Jarvis Cocker
It appears that Jarvis Cocker is to receive an honorary doctorate from Sheffield Hallam Uni sometime in Nov, however It is not clear for what reason Jarvis will be getting this honour?
Despite being from the fair City of Sheffield, and seeing Pulp more times than I care to mention over the years. I have never been a great fan of Pulp, and have found Jarvis's solo career less than exciting. Yes he released a couple of good lps, 'His n Hers' and 'Different Class', raised a cheer with his Brits antics, but has never really done it for me, the word overrated often comes to mind.
Personally would rather see Phil Oakey ,Richard Kirk or Chris Watson get this honour, they have all been arguably more influential than Cocker ever was, and Watson is even a world renowned wildlife sound recordist now, as well as his work with Cabaret Voltaire.
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jarvis solo
i think his latest solo album is pretty good though a little harsh with steve albini as producer and the first solo was excellent.
I will kill again is outstanding
The 'in'crowd
I have also seen Pulp a few times over the years and agree completely with your thoughts over Jarvis' career. I don't feel qualified to say who should get an Honorary doctorate although it seems that they can be given to anyone they like without any real qualification. With Jarvis though he seems to have become a media lovey. He has been on 'Question time', I think he may have presented 'Today' and he's often on various arts programmes. It seems he's in with the 'in crowd'. If it was left to his music career alone I don't think he would be making too much money.
Firmly
in the 'Dull' category I'd say.
So expect to see him on the cover of The Word anytime soon.
Call me cynical
But don't they hand out these things on the basis of how much publicity they can get by doing it?
David, in that case please
don't promise him any.
My opnion of someone
Always goes down a bit whenever I hear they accepted something like this, same with OBEs and Knighthoods. But it's par for the course with Jarvis who seems to be doing anything he can to keep himself in the limelight in the last few years.
well we've found the cheery
end of the internet haven't... we Jarvis is dull.... University handing out degrees like confetti... what's the point it's all dark outside i've got this pain down my left side....
Pain you say?
Have you seen an honorary doctor?
[clap hand smiley]
Very good, sir.
Er...
negged for applauding a joke?
Don't suppose the person who did it cares to explain why?
He's sort
of a more hip, less hectoring version of Geldof the Great isn't he?
I loved that song of his - "You're Gorgeous" - though.
"Because you're gorgeous...I'd do anything for you..."
Not sure if you're being facetious
But You're Gorgeous was by Babybird, AKA Stephen Jones.
http://www.last.fm/music/Babybird
"Facetious?"
"Moi?"
Well, um, a bit. Anyway Humph - one of the good things about Jarvo is that he's a massive fan of Scott W
somebody you all seem to not
like or "rate" (now there's an over used word) gets a honour no one seems values and everyone feels the need to whinge and moan about it classic.
Hell,
we're just like that sometimes. I blame the youth.
Pop music today
- it's all rubish. Back in my day we had The Rubettes and Joe Dolce - not the gimmicky nonsense you hear nowadays
Indeed Sir. Bring back the colonies.
National Service.
And The Arrows.
Corporal punishment
Children up chimbleys
The Bump by Kenny
I remain, etc
Overrated
Pulp had 2 really great songs (Babies, CP), about 3 goodish ones and many many ordinary/poor ones. Yet their standing is way higher than it should be. I haven't heard one decent solo song.
Jarvis is erudite and witty and has an interesting character to be interviewed and to be photographed, so he is all over the place. And now at Sheffield Poly, sorry Hallam Uni.
The one-armed drummer from Def Leppard is more deserving.
Apart from attempting to
strangle his wife at LAX, of course.
(edit, Rick Allen, not Jarvis, that is)
one handed strangulation
sounds fairly amusing. It has more than a hint of the, ahem, Black Knight, about it.
He's a character...
...without the Morrissey-esque snidey unpleasantness. While Pulp took a long time to hit their stride they were the best of the Britpop bunch and say more about Sheffield than Cabaret Voltaire (eg Sheffield Sex City). I think a Jarvis poem is also on a wall on one of the uni buildings in Sheff.
Pulp!!!!
I can honestly say Pulp are one of my favourite bands of all time. Jarvis is a great lyricist, that I would quite readily line up alongside Shane Macgowan as one of my favourites, and they had a sound that just...did it for me. And he was also a fabulous frontman, a great character, and in the flesh a good bloke.
I don't understand these 'honorary' handouts that Universities do mind, what are they for? That's my question.
Doesn't it work like this?
The most prestigious universities give them to people who might be able to write out a very large cheque for their fund raising drive or pull some strings in the corridors of power.
The less prestigous universities give them to people who will turn up at the degree ceremony and get the university's name in the paper.
Are they worth anything?
These awards, or are they as useful as buying a degree online?
Sort of
(speaking as someone who works in a university)
Honorary graduates do make a statement about what an institution and even what individual departments (where nominations may come from) feel about themsleves and their relationship to the outside world.
I work for the University of Hull in Scarborough. Last year we gave an HD to Ben Kingsley. Why? Well, because he's a great actor for a start. I particularly wanted him to give his address in the 'Sexy Beast' syle. I was disappointed, but he was still great. also because he was born here and it's nice to be recognised by the place of your birth. The university felt the same way, that we recognised someone from here who'd achieved great things.
In the past, because we do things in visual media and music we have given awards to Ken Anakin and Harrison Birtwhistle. The former gave an address that was a joy to listen to, if only because it came pretty close to the venerable director leering at quite a lot of attractive young women dressed up for the occasion and saying, "Ding dong!" in the time honoured fashion.
Pulp and Jarvis...
another thumbs-up.
The run of albums from His 'n' Hers to We Love Life is very strong - something to love on every album.
The two solo records are far better than we could have reasonably expected from a man who 'burned out' about 10 years ago! (That means I think they are good.)
He doesn't take it seriously, but he is very good at what he does.
One of the best lyricists of the last, I dunno, twenty years...
Viva Jarvis!
Wasn't Jarvis
In the best/ worst list in Word Magazine as 'best frontman of all time'?
That'll do.
And also for his comment in 'Live Forever' - "What happens when you finally get everything you've ever wanted and you arrive there and it....it were rubbish"
Now I understand
why no-one agreed with my choice for "coolest band" - maybe it's a girl or rather, mature woman thing (all those "thinking woman's crumpet" cliches are true).
I'd love it if Jarvis got an hon. degree at the university where I work, but I fear I'd be like an academic I met from Liverpool whose idol was John Peel.
When Peel got his hon. degree from Liverpool, said academic was too shy to go and meet him, in spite of being legitimately entitled to be part of the degree procession, dressed up in all the ceremonial finery ... or maybe it was the thought of meeting Peel while in all that get-up that was just too humiliating to consider.
new
If they are handing out degrees what about Sheffield's finest singer/songwriter to date, the peerless John Shuttleworth.
He could do a few d.i.y. jobs while he is there.In fact ,why not make him Prime Minister.
sometimes i scratch my head
Has this site become a spot to just diss artists? Apart from saint elbow and the beatles of course
Talk about grumpy old men (apologies to female and younger contributors).
So Flaming lips are worthless , Wayne Coyne can't sing ( whatever that actually means)and they have contributed nothing despite 2 very widely lauded albums and ,for mine, highly entertaining and musically rewarding shows.
Now Jarvis Cocker gets similar treatment. Just because he is overly opinionated and attracts / encourages media attention shouldn't be cause to dismiss his entire career. Pulp had their highlights and the Glastonbury show was superb. Any band that can attract Rcihard Hawley is alright in my book.
The first solo album, has a number of highlights as does the latest. I saw him with Air a year ago and look forward to his tour later this year. He can sing , he can entertain, his lyrics are thoughtful and clever and he does a pretty fair line in melody too.
Well said
And he, Neil Hannon and Air wrote some marvellous stuff for Charlotte Gainsbourg's stunningly good 5.55 album.
'The Songs That We Sing'. Now that's a song.
The Songs that we sing
I love Jarv but didn't he say in an interview somewhere that Neil Hannon pretty much wrote this? His contribution was only a line or two.
Any contrib better than noe
plus, the rest of the album's great too, so it all comes out in the wash, doesn't it?
"Has this site become a spot to just diss artists?"
No, just those artists who came to prominance post-1975 :-)
ahh the good old days
when people could spell :-)
Ahh, the good old days;
when people knew to start a sentence with a capital letter :-)
Funny thing is Jarvis
formed his first band in about 1983 so he's a proto-oldy bad spelling beardbotherer :-)