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iTunes genre crisis

Gramsci's picture

Following in some way from Quentin Cooper's column in this month's mag. I've been reassessing the genre's in my iTunes collection (call me sad..) Up to now I've been more or less going with the defaults that iTunes gives barr correcting the odd blatant error (Planxty as country !!!). I have identified a number of issues

1) the Dylan issue (applies to others as well) is he Folk, Folk-Rock or just Rock or should each album be indiidually categorised (that way madness lies I fear)?

2) Alternative & Punk - iTunes has categorised a large chunk of collection as that or Alternative and is getting unwieldy as it covers everything from Pistols/Clash to Rilo Kiley and Sigur Ros

3) If I have Folk and Latin, World tends to just cover African music should I rename if so what?

There are any number of other issues. has anyone in the Massive come up with a satisfactory scheme or is it a mugs game?

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I ignore genres completely...

it's all music. Simple.

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Patrick Crowther | 21 February 2009 - 5:27pm

But if you have 1000s of

But if you have 1000s of songs and want to find something or play a mix of similar artists... they're useful

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Gramsci | 21 February 2009 - 5:28pm

I use my iPod like an old fashioned Walkman...

I choose an album I want to hear and press 'play'. Mr Technology I am not.

Or should I say 'used', as the bloody thing broke.

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Patrick Crowther | 21 February 2009 - 5:32pm

Genres

I agree, just looked at my iTunes, 196 Genres...

Bound to be a little duplication there.

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John_K | 21 February 2009 - 6:46pm

Genres

The simplest way is not to overcomplicate things, sticking to a simple one genre per album. Unless its a compilation, then each has to be different.

I tend to recategorise anything that iTunes claims is "Alternative & Punk".
Though things that are really hard to classify stay as Alternative, such as Psapp or Bjork. They are the other form of music yet to be described.

Sigur Ros join the Post Rock section.
Wire join the Post Punk section.
The Sex Pistols join the Punk section.

And World music covers everything from the rest of the World, in my opinion, so I have a big span from Mariza to Ali Farka Toure to Buena Vista Social Club.

And Soundtracks cover Soundtracks.

It's a system that works for me anyway.

(And for the Dylan conundrum... pre-Highway 61 = folk, after that, usually classed as Americana or Country, depending on how twangy the guitar is....)

Hope that helps.

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badger_king | 21 February 2009 - 5:48pm

There's no such thing as too much information

I think it largely depends upon how you use the genres. I never use use shuffle on my ipod and never use genres but if I have several smart playlists set up to stream straight from my server to my hi-fi. For smart playlists, the more relevant genres that you attach to each track, the better. For example, I have a Motown smart list so I need to have both soul and Motown included in the tags for a lot of tracks.

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JohnW | 21 February 2009 - 6:23pm

I tidy them up every so often

I hoover stuff up into iTunes and then on to the iPod and don't always remember to check the genre when I do, so I have to go back and sort out into the main clusters - any kind of jazz (jazz/funk) I reset to jazz, any kind of hip-hop/rap I reset to hip-hop, any kind of punk I reset to punk, etc.

I do use the genres on shuffle - I've got a playlist for all the jazz so that when I want to hear some jazz but don't mind if it's Dexter Gordon, Thelonious Monk or The Lounge Lizards I can riffle though it and find some that suits my mood.

I just checked - 136 Genres, so I need to do some consolidation again!

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el hombre malo | 22 February 2009 - 10:43am

This way madness lies.

Genre-tidying is a mug's game. I know this because I am that mug. A big part of me agrees with Patrick - one genre, "Music", is all you need.

Doesn't stop me though. 90 Genres currently. The only consistent feature is my inconsistency.

It breaks down like this.

A few 'all encompassing' genres - Jazz, Classical, Country.

The 'big' genres broken down into sub-genres. So we have Southern Rock, Progressive Rock, Pub Rock etc. Soul broken down into Tamla, Atlantic/Stax, Northern etc

Some 'specialist' genres - eg Rootsy Stuff, Intelligent US Rock, Tattoo'd American Boys.

Some cities - Liverpool, Manchester and Sheffield get their own Genres.

And the really big artists get their very own genres - either to collect group/solo recordings ('Beatles' includes the Fabs collectively and solo, plus covers) or because the artist straddles too many genres (eg Dylan, Elvis Costello, Neil Young).

You're right. It's a bugger's muddle. But it sort of works for me.

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Paul Waring | 22 February 2009 - 12:17pm

I'm intrigued..

...is that songs BY or ABOUT Tattoo'd American Boys?

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magneticfields | 22 February 2009 - 12:57pm

Haha....*by* Tattoo'd American Boys.

Covers a lot of stuff my teenage son got into a few years back - the slightly cartoony punky stuff like Green Day, Bowling for Soup, Blink 182 etc.

I actually have a soft spot for some of it - in small doses.

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Paul Waring | 22 February 2009 - 7:30pm

Keep going..

this is just what I wanted

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Gramsci | 22 February 2009 - 2:43pm

Rock, Folk, Country, Jazz, Pop, Classical, Blues, World, Reggae

and Electronica/Dance covers it all. Tho' as stated, the buggers are the genre hopping artists, come in Costello, O'Connor, Morrison, M, Dylan and the like. It is soooo irritating! I mean, the Ramones never saw the need to do a country album followed byy a jazz album, did they?

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Retropath2 | 22 February 2009 - 4:29pm

Those 'default' genres are

set by who ever enters the info first, as far as I can tell - anyone know different? I'm sure I've entered the info for at least one Word CD, for example.

As for genres, I use two main ones - 'Rock' for anything with a guitar and 'Dance' for anything 'electronic'. I use 'classical', 'folk', 'country' and 'children's music' for the rest - I find that these are much easier to categorise. Oh, and I have a 'live' genre for bootlegs.

SO just 8 categories - do I win a prize?

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Fridge | 22 February 2009 - 6:11pm

I rarely use the genre tag for random play

Work out what genres you will actually use for shuffle and pay attention to those. The other genres don't matter and can be as messy as you want.

Also simplify all the genres so you don't end up with five different names for jazz.

All my music falls into the following genres:

Rock
Pop
Dance
Industrial
Heavy Metal
Hard Rock
Folk-Rock
Progressive Rock
Prog-Metal
Jazz
Soul
Singer-Songwriter

Truth be told I could probably cut it all down to:

Rock
Pop
Heavy Metal
Folk-Rock
Progressive Rock
Jazz
Singer-Songwriter

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LOUDspeaker | 23 February 2009 - 12:19pm

Winner!!

I'm on 34 genres, 2 of which "Porn Groove" and "Tadpole-Thump" are new forms of music yet to be discovered me and my friend Harry have invented.

Not too bad out of 140Gb....

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badger_king | 23 February 2009 - 6:27pm

A dubiously obtained advance copy of The Verve's last album

had them catagorised as "limey wanker c***s with bad teeth"

Never come across that one before or since

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frinck | 23 February 2009 - 8:50pm

Not quite genres...

but tags on Last FM where a friend uses 'God Like Genius' & 'The Bollocks' among others to define his music...

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John_K | 23 February 2009 - 9:25pm

My largest category...

...says it all really. 'AWAITING CLASSIFICATION' is for stuff I haven't listened to yet and stuff I have but can't quite decide what it is.
At the risk of opening another can of worms, does anyone else use the 'Grouping' category in iTunes? You can use this as an additional way of tagging tracks. For example, I have a tag 'LI' short for LIVE, which means I can generate a Smart playlist of live tracks which incorporates all genres. I also tag INstrumentals, as I find these less distracting when working. 'WH' is for WHISTLING...

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paulyj | 23 February 2009 - 10:52pm

I also tend to ignore genres.

For the purpose of driving playlists I use Keywords or two letter codes in the Grouping field. such as
CV - Cover
GG - Girl group
MT - Motown
etc.
More flexible as, for instance, I want the Supremes in Girl Group and Motown, and if the track is one of their Beatles covers (assuming I can bear it at all) I want it also to be noted as a cover version.
Do have to keep a note of the codes though to avoid those headscratching moments.

PS started this, went away and came back hour later to finish so had missed seeing your post, paulyj, till after. As you can see I use Grouping much the same way as you do.

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gollywollypogs | 23 February 2009 - 11:45pm
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