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Pink Floyd really get on my moobs. I have yet to be moved by any Pink Floyd music or lyrics. For decades, they have seemed to me like they represent well-fed complacency, going through the motions. A bunch of session musicians that can't believe their luck.

Yet for some reason their fans seem to see their music as achingly important, groaning under the weight of its own gravitas. That annoys me - ergo I hate Pink Floyd. Even if they produce a sublime piece of music, I will probably dislike it.

Which artist(s)do you actively dislike - no matter what they do -and do you have a similarly thin argument as to why?

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It's me too

Super Furry Animals, because lead singer Gruff Rhys once said he was embarrassed to be on the same live bill as Echobelly. And I loved Echobelly.

Luckily the SFAs haven't released anything that's placed me in the dilemma of having to like them despite disliking them through petty personal prejudice. Each to their own, but the praise routinely heaped on the Supers has long baffled me.

Largely with you on The Floyd too, Austin.

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johnlyons121 | 17 February 2009 - 3:40am

That is a terrible error on SFA

You don't even like this? You'll need to watch until at least 1:10


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Chimney Singing... | 17 February 2009 - 10:25am

Fantastic song!

Always been pretty much my favourite track of theirs: sums up joyful scatter-gun adolescent stroppiness and "don't let the b*****ds grind you down" attitude. Not mature or particularly well-thought out, but wonderfully uplifting in small doses.

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Douglas | 17 February 2009 - 8:58pm

dislike

The Beach Boys
Utter tosh!

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Stephen Cadman | 17 February 2009 - 3:40am

Austin

can see where you are coming from with the Floyd, was quite tempted to buy some of their back catalogue from Fopp on a recent visit but decided not too, as the comp i've got is all I probably need.

Couple of artists that I dislike, in no particular order, are Van Morrison and Bob Dylan, why? No particular reason, just think they are overrated, and the reverance in which they are held just gets on my nerve.

Hardly heard much by both artists, probably only the acknowledged so called classics, and have no real desire to rectify this

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Mint | 17 February 2009 - 4:56am

Hmmm

It is a daring and interesting thread: ""please tell others how you have been narrow minded and deliberately cut yourself off from enjoying music that is well regarded". I suppose I can admire the brio required to respond to this. Sometimes I am surprised at the readiness of good, music loving folk (who often like artists that require work and commitment) to be dismissive of other music for no reason at all. Interesting that despite Mint's disavowal, there is a reason for the Dylan / Morrison dismissal and that is that he/she thinks they are over rated. To come to that conclusion you must have disliked their music that you actually did hear.

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everygoodboydes... | 17 February 2009 - 7:28am

It's the expectation that you'll agree they're classic

which is annoying. I agree that it's unfair to dismiss a band whose music you have very little if any experience of. I've dismissed both Zep and Floyd in the past, but recently bought a shed load of Zep albums (the first six) and thought they were all great apart from the first.

Floyd on the other hand - I've really tried to have a go at Dark Side of the Moon, but apart from anything else the dreadful caterwauling taking up most of The Great Gig In The Sky just leaves me ice-cold. I've heard other people describe this as fantastic vocal work, etc, and if it appeals to them then great. Just don't expect me to agree, that's all.

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Douglas | 17 February 2009 - 9:08pm

Floyd

because a guy called Kevin I was at school with loved them. Simple as that.

Hate Led Zep and Neil Young because of the singing. No other reason, some great songs and playing, but something about the pitch of the vocals just grates.

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SimonL | 17 February 2009 - 8:27am

Despite recommendations from people I would usually trust

I can't stand Joni Mitchell.

1/ Her voice is too high pitched, I'm sure it frightens dogs. I know it makes me flinch.

2/ She delivered one of the worst moments in pop/rock history with her fake laugh at the end of Big Yellow Taxi.

When you weigh up all that I'm probably right to actively ignore her.

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Cookieboy | 17 February 2009 - 9:52am

For what it's worth

I'm sure this is a futile attempt to sway your view, Cookieboy, but I must try: after the first few albums (up to Blue), her voice simply isn't that high pitched. Listen to the first song on Court and Spark (the title song), and if you can still say her voice is too high pitched, maybe you're holding on to that belief just a little too tightly. Here, have a listen...


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Theo Zoffrok | 17 February 2009 - 1:14pm

Don't know about dogs, but it frightens my wife

Although the good lady Mrs G kindly tolerates my often industrial-based tastes such as Laibach, Foetus, Nine Inch Nails and Ministry, she draws the line at Ms Mitchell. I think it's something to do with Joni's style of singing ever so slightly out of key, not enough to be noticably out of tune as such, but enought of a habit to get on your nerves if you don't take to it.

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Douglas | 17 February 2009 - 9:02pm

Well....it's not AS bad.

Must be all the smokes. Her pitch makes me squirm it's too piercing, like a trumpet. If I can't enjoy hearing her I'm not going to listen to her.

I'm not too fond of the hippy-dippy shit either, "We are stardust, we are golden."

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Cookieboy | 18 February 2009 - 9:54am

Agree

While she is not without talent, i find her rather twee with a voice that just warbles along irritatingly.

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woodface | 17 February 2009 - 11:25pm

Supertramp

Contrary to the view, widely held, that I affect this merely to wind up those who can abide the beardy screechers, neither good at beards* or screeching, but I actually dislike them for the far sounder reason that I was excluded from a jaunt to go and see them in 1979.
*except the sax player, who had one of those even more annoying neat beards, as affected by an annoying bloke who lived in my uni flat for a while, again putting me off the bastards.
(Next: why I can't stand Gilbert O'Sullivan.)

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Retropath2 | 17 February 2009 - 9:53am

Why I can't stand Gilbert O'Sullivan

Nothing to do with the music, just that the first time I saw him he reminded me of this:
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Well, that and his hair, which reminded me of this:
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Yes, I really am that shallow.

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Archie Valparaiso | 17 February 2009 - 10:07am

Ah - he annoys me for another reason

With some bitterness, he released a song under an assumed name in order to trick Radio 1 into giving it airplay. It subsequently got to the lower reaches of the charts and he claimed that the "kids" loved the incognito release.

"See? I AM relevant! I AM with-it!" spluttered the bewildered elderly pianist, raising a bony fist to the sky.

It charted because because some sad fans bought the single many times to give the story legs. Hell, even poor old John Otway managed to mobilise his fans to get a single to No. 8.

Artists who blame the BBC because they are not as popular as they used to be are pathetic.

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Austin | 17 February 2009 - 11:23am

Bruce Springsteen

There, I've said it.

Thin argument for dislike: All that 'Jonny was a truckstore gunslinger doin' doughnuts on the highway of life' tripe and his constipated asthmatic vocal stylings on 'We Are the World'.

I shall now retire to a cabin in the woods and await the fatwah.

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Cobweb Steve | 17 February 2009 - 10:13am

Relax, they'll go for me first

Not only do I dislike Springsteen (though some of the songs are OK - not great, but I'll listen to them if someone else is performing them), but I find Steely Dan painful to hear.

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Gatz | 17 February 2009 - 10:35am

Me too!

Springsteen, Bon Jovi, Bryan Adams, Meatloaf... Don't get any of these artists... Is it just me or do they perform some sort of genre mixed slop?

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vylisaxj220 | 17 February 2009 - 10:46am

I've grown to like

much of Springsteen's stuff of late - though I can't bear to watch him 'perform'. Took a while with Dylan too, still can't listen to Neil Young though - it's the voice in both cases. I've always found Floyd boring even though I like some acts influenced by them. Cannot stand listening to Steely Dan, can't pinpoint why other than to say their sound makes me feel quite ill.

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badartdog | 17 February 2009 - 3:56pm

Another non-Springsteen here

I simply don't understand the Springsteen thing. The music I have heard is fine, but sounds like so many other things to me and I just can't get excited. Probably doesn't help that my first boyfriend (when I was 15) played him to death.

Don't get Steely Dan either, but I suspect I may have a Damascene moment in future years, as I did with Pet Sounds.

Another highly-rated band I don't get at all is Blue Nile. Just hear nothing at all when I hear them.

Some bands/artists I don't like (Floyd) personally, but I can see why they are so popular: the above three I don't understand at all (yet).

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JoLean | 17 February 2009 - 11:33pm

Neil Young's voice

I was deeply in love with Neil Young and associated Californian scene for a while in my late teens until my best friend (still my best friend) said: "Bloody hell, who's this? He sounds like Kermit The Frog." And, actually, he does a bit. I couldn't listen to him for years after than. Luckily, I'm back listening to Neil occasionally.

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JoLean | 17 February 2009 - 11:37pm

There is no rhyme or reason

why i dislike Dylan or Morrison, and certainly no logical reason. It's most likely an aversion to artists that are put on a pedestal and appear critically untouchable, I have over the years managed to overcome this, and can now happily listen to the likes of Beach Boys, The Beatles, Led Zep, Joni Mitchell etc,artists 20 plus years ago I wouldn't have given a tosh about, but Dylan and Morrison continue to evade me.

I like to think of myself, for the most part, fairly open minded,if rather a curmudgeonly old sod, and am willing to have my rather shallow, petty prejudices shattered. Having said that I honestly can't see myself entering the world of Morrison. For someone who, appears to me, does not enjoy his music making in any way, shape or form then I think, why should I bother.

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Mint | 17 February 2009 - 10:27am

Thanks to Spotify

I thought I should give Astral weeks a "spin", in the name of research. It soon got stopped. What's the fuss? Classic? No it is not. The Yes Album is a classic. Ziggy Stardust ditto.

At least I did not have to flog it off on Ebay, as was the case with Pet Sounds...

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Beany | 17 February 2009 - 11:02am

Led Zep and Floyd though in

Led Zep and Floyd though in the last six months my hard line on them has softened slightly
AC/DC & Iron Maiden that's a schoolyard thing
David 'bloody' Gray - whiny git never understood how he got ANY critical kudos.
Crowded House I don't hate but typify a no of bands who fall into the "middle of the road bands who are perfectly fine but I don't understand what the fuss is about".

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Gramsci | 17 February 2009 - 10:46am

Feel free to disagree...

...but personally, I find that my disliking of an artist/band is almost always inversely proportionate to the amount of their music that I've heard. Through ignorance I create an impression of a band, which is often proven to be inaccurate or ignorant.

For example, I never heard much (if anything) in the way of Led Zeppelin when I was growing up. The late 80s-early 90s wasn't exactly a huge period for them, so I probably based my impressions of them on 'Stairway to Heaven'. As such, until I actively sought out some Zeppelin, I had the impression they were a fairly wussy folk band. Obviously this is an extreme example of me getting it wrong, but if I hadn't made the effort to clarify my understanding, I might have missed out on a spectacular band.

Similarly regarding Pink Floyd, I had dismissed them as bloated, proggy wank (an assessment many still hold, understandably). I still don't claim to be a huge fan of them, but having heard the Echoes comp a few times, I found myself enjoying Shine On, You Crazy Diamond amongst others. It occurred to me that part of the reason I had dismissed them originally was due to the prog cliches they seemed to espouse (i.e. ooh er, isn't space, like, mind-blowing and stuff), until it occurred to me that it was more the fault of the less imaginative bands that followed Floyd who beat those Syd Barrett images into cliche.

The moral of these little stories is not necessarily that anyone is wrong to dislike a band. Instead, I prefer to encourage an attitude of informed opinion: "I have listened to this band, but did not enjoy them" is perfectly acceptable, and an opinion I can respect; those who choose to criticse without having at least a faint grasp of the material build houses on sand. You wouldn't read a review where the reviewer hadn't heard the album, so why is uninformed opinion so profligate?

I ramble. Moving on...

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JoelTurner | 17 February 2009 - 11:17am

I will

I did expect a certain amount of articulate dissention from fair-minded music fans and I am grateful for your thoughts, Joel.

I just find it difficult to let the Floyd into my life, whereas their contemporaries - The Beatles, Beach Boys, The Who, The Kinks (and many more) have sashayed easily onto my gramphone.

I will say that the fans don't help. It feels like they are masonic (no pun intended) in their devotion. It would be great if they lightened up a bit.

As for the point about reviews, so many of them seem to be 80% history of the artist up to the point of release - and then a few throwaway lines about the songs themselves (unless you're Radiohead of course, then you get a 10 page dissertation on the significance of every caterwaul).

I guess my point is that all opinions on music are valid, no matter how they are formed. Something about Pink Floyd has made their output unappealing.

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Austin | 17 February 2009 - 11:43am

eerrr, don't know sir

will I have a detention?

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walshy1 | 21 February 2009 - 11:34am

You wouldn't read a review where the reviewer hadn't heard......

Never quite sure about that these days. Some publications seem to specialise more than others in reviewing the other version of, say, Ys, by another Joanna Newsome.

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Retropath2 | 17 February 2009 - 11:23am

Elbow

Thanks to you lot I did try, I really did. I now own four albums which, aside from a couple of tracks on each, I won't be listening to again. My god do they plod. Don't much like the Coldplays of this world but at least they have tunes. Plodding tunes, but tunes nonetheless. Elbow just plod tunelessly.

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Madrid | 17 February 2009 - 11:53am

did it take you

four albums to decide you didn't like them? I admire your dedication.

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badartdog | 17 February 2009 - 4:02pm

de acuerdo

¡no podria estar más de acuerdo, Madrid!

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longtonian | 24 February 2009 - 12:25am

Pues,

me alegro que no soy el unico.

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Madrid | 24 February 2009 - 11:04am

Springsteen, Floyd, Zep...

Of those three, Floyd are the ones that I feel happiest hating because, as far as I can tell, they only play never-ending, self-important dirges. Zep I like occasionally, but only as long as I hear no more than one or two songs in a row.

But Springsteen frustrates me in a whole different way because I feel that I'm SUPPOSED to like him. Yet whenever I listen to him, (barring the odd above average song) he sounds either stuck in an 80's blender or like a pub-rock dullard with a geetar. When people tell me that artists I adore (e.g. Josh Ritter) are completely influenced by him, I just can't see it.

What is this? Am I missing the Springst-gene that helps me enjoy this stuff?

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Uncle Monty | 17 February 2009 - 1:00pm

The thing about Springsteen

that I feel many detractors miss is that he takes the ordinary and makes it epic and I think we (on this side of the world) see the whole cars/freeways/girls thing as being emblematic of an over-priviledged culture rather than a description of a mundane reality. In that sense I have always seen Springsteen having a lot in common with say "Down in the Tube Station at Midnight", "London's Burning" or a local fave of mine "Downmarket" by Irish band the Blades with its classic line

"I'm not waiting at an airport, I'm not waiting at a station, I'm standing at a bus-stop"


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Gramsci | 17 February 2009 - 1:40pm

Interesting

I think you're probably at least partially right wbout that, Gramsci. Perhaps what I see as American Cheese is in fact Gritty Reality; I can't pretend to take even half of what he sings about seriously.

That said, it all seems so samey too. Maybe I'm mistaking his man of the people rasping for something a lot fuller, but I can't get to grips with it.

I like the comparison with Clash etc, though. Perhaps I'm just being too parochial...

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Uncle Monty | 17 February 2009 - 2:07pm

The Blades!!!

Just downloaded Last Man In Europe and the best of album the other day with an iTunes voucher I got for my birthday. Fantastic band!!!

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SimonL | 17 February 2009 - 2:34pm

You're so right

they should have been huge but were overshadowed by their contemporaries a young group of earnest but lovable mop-tops called U2.

Check out 'Raytown Revisited' their flawed but worthwhile debut.

Haven't heard much of Paul Cleary's solo material though I have heard its good.

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Gramsci | 17 February 2009 - 4:26pm

I can see why people may

I can see why people may dislike springsteen but I certainly don't think he is samey. He has always tried new directions eg born to run followed by darkness on the edge of town then Nebraska. Tom Joad is very unlike anything else he has done and the movie tracks (streets of philadelphia et al) are always very diverting. I personally really dislike Dylan, I struggle to get past his voice and am resistant to his sacred cow status.

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woodface | 17 February 2009 - 11:35pm

Robyn Hitchcock

Pseud, poseur, fraud, wanker. Posturing fake who has a look on him that reeks 'I'm alternative, sensitive, following in the footsteps of Syd, Kevin Coyne, XTC and the rest, don't you know'. No surprises that he paints in a 'whimsical surrealist' style. Has there ever been a more self-consciously 'left-field' 'artist'. About as genuine as Black Lace. Who at least had their own look.

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Occam | 17 February 2009 - 1:11pm

totally agree

He also has a really terrible voice.

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woodface | 17 February 2009 - 11:36pm

Costello...

..on the early stuff he sounds like Professor Frink from The Simpsons, on the later stuff his vibrato is so overblown it sounds like he's waggling the skin over his adam's apple while singing...

Lyrics strike me as being enormously over-laboured with none of Dylan or Cohen's lightness of touch or humour, plus he's also a completely ham-fisted guitar player...

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jimmymack | 17 February 2009 - 3:17pm

I feel your pain Jimmy

I couldn't have put it better, especially about the lyrics. There's something about him that just doesn't feel right, and I've always found it hard to put my finger on. He's a smart man, as has been noted here (along with the reminder that in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king), and seems to be articulate; but on the other hand, does an ability to talk the hind leg off donkey constitute articulacy? I'm not sure it does. His lyrics strike me as pernickety and meretricious, whether he's writing and singing the songs or co-writing. For example, this one with Diana Krall:


Then there's the little matter of misogyny...

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Theo Zoffrok | 17 February 2009 - 3:33pm

'Oh no my darling, not with that clown'

If it wasn't for this track I'd agree with you but on this occasion at least he uses his intelligence to articulate some really raw emotion.

Track proper starts around 0.56


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Cobweb Steve | 17 February 2009 - 4:23pm

He does totally over egg the

He does totally over egg the metaphor! i did used to like him but then he suddenly thought he could sing and started doing standardsy type stuff, the bacarach (sic) album was unlistenable with his frogish croak.

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woodface | 17 February 2009 - 11:41pm

Keane.

Easy target, I know.

Only partly to do with the music. Unbearably earnest and overblown as it is.

Almost entirely to do with The Face That Is Aching To Be Smacked*TM*.

Yes, I am that shallow.

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Paul Waring | 17 February 2009 - 8:14pm

The lead singer reminds me

The lead singer reminds me of Dave Cameron.

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woodface | 17 February 2009 - 11:42pm

The Stereophonics

Just thinking about them makes me itch.
And I bet no-one will try and talk me round either.

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Hannah | 17 February 2009 - 8:35pm

oh yeah,

you're So right with that

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walshy1 | 21 February 2009 - 10:55am

I'm quite happy with the Floyd...

...though as it's been nearly 30 years since the classic lineup split, and they haven't recorded anything new for nearly 15 years, I don't really see why anyone could get too het up about them. If you ignore the spacey/prog detritus that their reputation has acquired over the years, largely disseminated by a lazy press, they are simply a blues band with an excellent guitarist.

I don't think I actively hate any band, that's a bit personal. However, I wouldn't want to be trapped in a lift with the entire works of Bruce Springsteen, as I imagine most of his songs to sound like "Born in the USA" (I know they probably don't, but I'm not prepared to risk it). I have invested a certain amount of time trying to get into Steely Dan, but it still sounds like tedious Jazz-wank to me.

Anyway why stop at Artists - I hate the recorded output of all US C&W singers, especially if they are men with large hats. How's that for musical bigotry?

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nicktf | 17 February 2009 - 11:16pm

Don't feel strongly about many of the artists I don't like

But when Mr G plays anything featuring the vocals of Jon Anderson I have to leave the house. His voice gives me pain; it grates my soul. Who knows what it does to dogs and cats?
And also that awful whiner in Athlete.

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gollywollypogs | 17 February 2009 - 11:48pm

Athlete's first album

... is great. Quirky and melodic. Second one is sub-Coldplay dullness.

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peterafifer | 18 February 2009 - 1:45pm

Recommend

to me one good Athlete track and I will listen and see if it changes my mind.

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gollywollypogs | 19 February 2009 - 12:08am

Try

'Shake Those Windows' or 'Vehicles And Animals' from the album Vehicles And Animals. (It's on Spotify)

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ChaosandMorphine | 25 February 2009 - 12:06am

You know what?

I think I might like 'Shake those Windows' if they got themselves a new singer, but good grief that is one whiny so-and-so. Hate the way he breathes as well.
Used to resent the way my mum went ON about poor technique in the way singers breathe, but starting to think she had a point (see also Joss Stone who gasps louder than she sings IMO)

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gollywollypogs | 25 February 2009 - 1:02am

I hate Floyd for the same

I hate Floyd for the same reason I hate Radiohead - "privileged despair", as Ken Tynan called it - whining public schoolboys going on about how shit life is (and this is not a class animus thing - i was a public schoolboy who did his fair share of whining). In the case of Pink Floyd I think their musical achievement is pretty thin, once you take the expensive effects away - about three memorable tunes in a decade and a half. Still, Dave Gilmour gave his home away to the homeless, so he's obviously a nice chap.

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Kit Hogue | 17 February 2009 - 11:54pm

I know I know,

Is it JUST me but, Radiohead.... oh god they are shite arent they? no? just me then.

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walshy1 | 21 February 2009 - 10:47am

you'll find lots of company on this blog

personally I looove Radiohead but I'm definitely in the minority here!

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Hannah | 22 February 2009 - 1:44pm

oh yeah I forgot Bob Dylan

as well, I mean for gods sake cant he hear his own voice?

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walshy1 | 21 February 2009 - 10:53am

My God I Just Can't Believe..

that I'm the first to mention the overblown, self important, sneering, "we've got something to say and we're going to say it" waste of space that is the Manic Street Preachers with their predictable, plodding nonsense, fake intellectual socialism and private toilets (please respect this statement).

Special mentions for the Beach Boys, Ian Brown, Belle & Sebastian and Depeche Mode.

I'm not fond of the Rolling Stones either...

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Neil Dyson | 22 February 2009 - 6:30pm

Beach Boys? Depeche Mode?

The others I can understand...but what have the BBs and DM done to deserve the cold Dyson shoulder?

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Austin | 22 February 2009 - 10:57pm

Beach Boys & Depeche Mode

A very unlikely double bill I concede.

Like many I can't understand the fuss about Pet Sounds and I've tried, I really have tried to listen beyond that, but to me it's just trashy, twee pop with no substance I can discern.

As for Depeche Mode I find it difficult to explain my total indifference to them, I dismissed them as lightweight computer programmers who made a noise I didn't like when they first came onto the scene, a few years later the music press hailed them but as far as I could tell nothing had changed. I also remember having a good sneer at a story where one of them said he had to record some song or other naked to get the feel right. It's a bloody synthesizer mate, it doesn't know whether you've got a hard on or not!

Please feel free to shoot me down though, after reading though all the above comments I've just checked on iTunes and I've got 142 recordings of Elvis Costello, 1,807 songs, so what do I know!

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Neil Dyson | 23 February 2009 - 8:10am

With you on the MSPs

Totally. Did you forget to mention the empty pressing of emotional buttons? Never mind. I just did that.

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gollywollypogs | 24 February 2009 - 11:24pm

Prince.

There. I said it.

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Darcy | 22 February 2009 - 7:33pm

blimey

not even "raspberry beret"??

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Hannah | 22 February 2009 - 11:48pm

not one of my favourites but....

blimey
not even Little Red Corvette ?

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gollywollypogs | 24 February 2009 - 11:26pm

Especially that one.

I mean, you wouldn't trust anyone in real life who rhapsodised about a girl in a "raspberry beret", would you?

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Darcy | 25 February 2009 - 9:21am

Bob Dylan

or "Dylan" as he is annoyingly known to some....

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longtonian | 23 February 2009 - 10:28pm

Queen

Maybe it's because everyone HAS to like them but I find them intrinsically dislikable. The sing-a-long, all-together-now, stadium rock cliches put me off Queen in the same way as they do with U2.

Fans often do the same thing 'oh, you don't like another one bites the dust/ vertigo? but everyone loves we are the champions/ streets have no name'. No. I also have no time for Bohemian Rhapsody, the Bicycle Song or the Flash Gordon soundtrack.

I would like to think the dislike is not based on ignorance, I honestly have heard enough Queen to last me; possibly this over-exposure plays a part, though I must of heard Bowie's Heroes a gadjillion times and I still wobble my neck skin along to that one every time.

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Gav Leonard | 24 February 2009 - 11:31am

Gav, you're entitled to your opinion....

But they went through their unfashionable years.
I'm far from being their biggest fan but think Killer Queen is a storming pop song. Any time for that one?

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gollywollypogs | 24 February 2009 - 11:34pm

Killer Queen

Bearable in Shaun of the Dead as the soundtrack to a fat zombie lanlord man being hit by pool cues, then 'You're My Best Friend' pops up over the end credits and I suddenly remember 'God, I really do hate Queen'.

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Gav Leonard | 25 February 2009 - 9:36am

Has to like Queen?

Time was when you'd rather eat bark than to confess to liking them... I think there is admirable musicianship but no actual art or a misconception of artistic process. I notice that in the UK there is a kind of consideration of Queen as a serious band but that is not the case in the US and certainly in Australia they don't rate a mention.

I would take them over the Go-Betweens, though.

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everygoodboydes... | 25 February 2009 - 3:54am

BOB DYLAN...

.. what a shit voiced moany old saggy faced c*nt he is... there i've said that too!

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über-über | 25 February 2009 - 11:53am
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