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Is it just me ?
Is it just me who's found the last few issues of the mag 'say nothing to me about my life?' (sorry!!)
It seems increasingly obsessed with and aimed at islington media types who spend their days tweeting on their iphones, which of course they carry in their manbags. i find the 'home service' page particularly risible, although I suspect it would prove a worthy source of material for pseuds corner !
I think some radical surgery may be in order.
I could make the same comment regarding the podcasts,which are of very variable quality these days and desperately need more input from the now rarely heard (or read for that matter) Mr Ellen. Does he make a point of leaving the building whenever he suspects a recording session may be in the offing?!
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You may have a point
I can remember when the ForeWord consisted of more words than pictures.... "At last! Something to read!", indeed.
Dont buy it if you dont like it.
And nobody is forcing you at knifepoint to download the FREE podcasts are they?
Pretty simple solution really.
"Ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydon'tyougoandlivethere?"
Why is every criticism of anything on this blog met with at least one "well, don't buy/watch/download/read/listen to/eat it then" comment?
By that rationale, if you don't like the comment, don't reply to it.
How would blogs like this exist if we all meekly refrained from expressing any opinions? We all enjoy a good argument here, don't we? And if we think something could be better, surely it would be a shame just to walk away from it?
I'm not sure I agree with bargepole, but I think the point made deserves a better answer.
Sorry. Got unusually huffy for a minute there.
ooh I say
Since it seems to be a point of import to others, I've actually been a reader since issue 1 but have only now felt the need to post on this forum to raise a note of concern ! And should all readers not be allowed to voice an opinion anyway, irrespective of the time they've been registered on the website - or is no-one allowed to criticise the 'sacred cows' of mag and podcast?
as a magazine which proudly states 'intelligent life on planet rock', I don't want to see the magazine and podcasts degenerate into little more than a retirement home for journos from past ellen/hepworth enterprises - cronyism at its worst!..
and can the album reviews section get any worse - for the'music magazine of the year' it seems an almost incidental and neglected area of the mag.
Cronyism or just growing old together?
"I don't want to see the magazine and podcasts degenerate into little more than a retirement home for journos from past ellen/hepworth enterprises"
That's exactly what I like about it. There's something reassuring about the same old faces.
Apologies Bargepole
There has been a few posts recently from folk with some kind of hidden agenda, you are it seems, not one of them.
And yes, you're spot on about the reviews section
Another first poster
having a dig at 'the word'! Is there something going on that I don't know about?
Sorry..
.. I can't agree about the podcasts.
At the end of the day the podcasts primarly are about some blokes in a room talking bollocks about music and they regularly go off on tangents.
Just like the conversations I gave with my mates in the pub. Except there's probably less swearing. That's why I like them.
I have suggested in another blog topic that I would like to hear more about the workings of the music buisness. That's purely selfish on my part because I want to know more about it. If it doesn't happen then I won't lose sleep, I'll still carry on listening. If they didn't happen or they became more structured then I'd be miffed (but would still listen !)
for what it's worth...
I've enjoyed the last few months just as much as ever.
I'm not a media Islington type, honest. and I definitely don't have a manbag.
Anyway
I came here for an arguement....
Was that
a five minute argument or a 30 minute one?
The last Word was my favourite so far. The accompanying podcast too. Oh and the CD was pretty good.
Happy happy chappie. Love, peace and buttercup syrup.
ah the old jokes
are the best eh!
for what it's worth I thought the last podcast was a pretty good too, certainly better than the hour long advert for - sorry, podcast on, Paul Du Noyer's book the other week. Am I interested in a book solely dedicated to the development of the music scene in London - mmm, let me think....
Let's at least have more than one topic!
If you don't like the PdN London book
can I suggest sir tries his Liverpool one? A fine tome indeed.
Yeah
I got the same feeling reading Antony Beevor's Stalingrad: not enough about other cities.
Sarcasm aside, books like that - and Du Noyer's - are interesting because of the narrow focus. Whether you're connected a place or not shouldn't make a difference - what should is the quality of the writing and the depth of insight. Du Noyer's London book is very good. And I've never lived there.
Have you tried Beevor´s Berlin?
I seem to recall it was mainly about Berlin.
Beevor's Berlin sounds...
...like a porn film.
I felt that one
would have been better as a backstage podcast, perhaps - not that it makes any difference as, surely, we listen to them all. The extract from PduN's book in the current mag was great.
I wasn't as keen on the latest podcast as it all seemed to be based on threads here - and I'd already read them! However - it was a bonus one wasn't it? I had thought that the Eamonn Forde/Mercury Music/Hareballs was the end of term episode.
Hmmm
The reason Mr Ellen doesn't appear on the podcast as much as you'd like (and we'd all like him to appear more often), is that he's actually spending more time working on/writing for the magazine. As for Home Service, the limited amount of research we've done suggests that it's often the first thing people turn to, so I suspect that's staying, at least for the time being - not that we expect everyone to like it.
Regarding Twitter, I'm sorry it's of no interest to you, but its use really isn't limited to a small area of London, and none of us own a manbag as far as I know. Either way, I don't believe there's been any coverage of it in the last couple of issues (I haven't checked, so I'm happy to be proved wrong).
Welcome to the website.
fair point
and well made too, I might add, but I've seen precious little of Mark's writing lately which is a great pity.
as for twittering, you're right - I, and I suggest many others, have zero interest in it , but as I said - is it just me ! (ok , I'll let you off with the manbag then, although I still have my suspicions!)
Well can't...
...you just bally well stop him, and lure him back into the podcast "suite" with some tinnies? I'm a Jonty-come-lately with the podcasts and I'm simultaneously working my way back from 109 and forward from 001, and I've never had so many LOLOT (Laugh Out Loud On Train) moments as I have with Mark Ellen.
I miss Mark Ellen (and his laugh) on the podcasts too
but if it means he writes more articles then that's a price I'm willing to pay. The Twitter stuff isn't that interesting to me, nor was the Jade Goody obituary, but I don't mind that stuff being featured at all - if it has to enter my world then it might as well be through decent journalism. That aside, I don't seem to be enjoying the mag as much in the last few months either. And I know this has been covered elsewhere in other posts, but for me the Word has ultimately seemed somehow thinner since the loss of 'Word of Mouth', which was always the first section of the magazine I turned to and simply perfect for reading on the bus or the train. It was the kind of thing that made Word magazine a joy to discover. Bring it back (along with the HORA!) Pretty, pretty please...
Never a big fan of word of mouth
as the celebs all choose the same thing "they were all in jimi hendrix phase" and one copy of "perfume" is in permanent circulation it seems in hollywood. I liked hearing what other readers where listening too though.
Don't see why people rail against new forms of communication like twitter , which I feel barely gets mentioned in the mag largely because talking about something like that in monthly mag is a nonsense. You skip past the blog entries easily. I imagine something like twitter will be common place in a few years (and we will wonder what all the fuss is about)it's only form of texting after all.
Twitter
This isn't a dig at you - a lot of people think of Twitter purely in those terms - but it's not "only" a form of texting, it's just the most public face. Twitter is changing the way the web works: traditionally, if something was added to the web you had to wait for a search engine to index it before it became available as a search result, something that could take days. With Twitter, it's the other way round: by posting something, you're adding it to the index directly - what you've posted is available, to everyone using Twitter search, immediately. Example: if I have a favourite website and it goes down, it'll be Twitter I turn to, because it'll tell me if other people are experiencing the same issue, whereas Google can't. This is a HUGE advance, and you can be pretty sure that Google's engineers are working desperately hard to try and keep up. The interesting thing about Twitter isn't what celebrity X is doing, or what Eamonn Forde is doing (although it is worth getting involved just for that), it's what everybody is doing, right now.
Fraser
I was being over simplistic to mkae my point, I just find it odd people rail against these things particularly when there's no compuction to use them. I too have found that it's the normal people using twitter that are most interesting many of the celebs are a bit one way for my liking.
The non-Twitterers...
...probably think that Mark and Fraser are joking about Eamonn Forde telling the world what he's doing at any point in time, but they're not. He's just finished his breakfast (Sugar Puffs) and is about to carry out his daily 'ablutions'.
It might not just be you ...
...but it's not me. I'm still a big fan.
ps NFI (Not From Islington).
word of mouth
I'm another one who misses it, it was also the first section I turned to when travelling to work (bit of a bugger driving the car at the same time though). By the by, I've got a manbag and they're great (and no I am not from Islington).
Oops
Just realised that I've got a manbag and I tweet from my iPhone...
That said, I still enjoyed the mag when the above wasn't the case.
and another thing
for a magazine with such a small staff, how come none of them ever - or rarely- seem to write for it!
are they all busy 'editing' 24/7 ?! I think we should be told.
this is quite addictive isn't it.
I need a replacement
manbag as mine got broke at the weekend. It saves my strides from looking gash by holding coins, wallet, keys & phone (SonyEricsson not iPhone). It also holds nappies & wipes when I'm left in charge of the nipper and Cds & 7"records when they're foisted upon me by crap local musicians at gigs. Clearly I am a terrible shit and should work in the media.
Another vote for
the manbag - mine's a lovely dark brown faux leather Dunlop model, if you're interested.
Not sure if I agree about the 'zine - WOM is indeed sorely missed, but the influx of semi-new columnists like McIlheney and Smith strengthens an already strong aspect of the writing.
Agree about the absence of ME on recent podcasts; although still highly enjoyable without him, I feel that his amiable presence and infectious humour always enhances the chemistry between the participants and - don't take this the wrong way, Mr H -somewhat softens the occasionally shrill incredulous tone established by the
aforementioned Mr H.
(Was that OK, Dad?)
A Manbag?
(In my best Lady Bracknell voice)
Wassat then? Surely a Dunlop one would be made out of old tyres...
If it's the same thing as my Radio Academy Conference(*) black bag I carry around when scouring record shops for bargains then call me a bagman and pour me a frothy latte. Cancel that and give us a pint, aye.
(*)not an attendee, worked at a venue and was given a leftover. But looks good when ligging ;-)
Aldi manbags
Word to the manbag massive: £12 laptop bag from the cutprice/ union unfriendly/ headline making German grocers.
FWIW: Heppo, Smith and especially Harrison (Toddla review was sensational)have been bang on form as has the welcome return of Barney Tabasco.
Declaring interest, Mr Du Noyer is kind enough to help me out at work from time to time - but his book is a cracker, his best yet and an important history of an important sector of popular music.
I'd say the last 3 or 4 editions of the magazine
have been superb; loads of quirky articles, very inventive and some godd longer reads. If that's what Mark ellen is doing then its time well spent. He does make a difference to the podcasts though (moves them from the usual very good to the ridiculously funny) and should be encouraged to defer his lunch break once a week to take part.
If you're feeling a bit jaded with The Word
I suggest you have a few months reading just Mojo, Q or Uncut. You'll soon realise that the quality of writing in The Word is in a different class.
Brown Nose Award
Coming your way!
Mojo is just dull. Q has loads of bands you've never heard of...
...and will never hear of again. I don't find either easy to read, which is not the case with Word. Brown Nose Award duly accepted.
Mojo's...
made with lovely paper though.
Yes
it's nicely absorbent :)
PS: I don't buy Mojo regularly, but do read it from time to time. It's fine
Whilst we're talking M*j*
Excellent piece on The Housemartins in the current issue.......with pictures of them all in the same room 25 years on. No mention of a reformation/concert - Shame.
I take exception...
...to the frequent barracking of Mojo around these parts. Okay, so it's not to everyone's taste but I find it very informative, often filling gaps in my music knowledge with some good articles, and as mentioned below it has a great review section.
I have gripes with Mojo just as I have gripes with The Word, but both magazines have enough interesting stuff in them to keep me coming back. Surely we can't ask for much more, can we?
I Know...
some people think reading a magazine every month is like supporting a football team.
I've found that on here too...
...and rarely understood it. I subscripe to both Word and Mojo and can't see how the producers/readers of each could have issue with that.
I don't think anyone here does have an issue with it
Do they?
I bought Mojo
this month for the first time in ages, partly because of the free CD of African music, but I have to say that it was a thoroughly enjoyable read. The Housemartins, Billy Childish, Arctic Monkeys, David Sylvian, JJ Cale and Michael Jackson, all covered, discussed and/or interviewed.
Maybe this month they just got it right, at least for my tastes, but I have to admit, much as it pains me to say it, I thought it was better than The Word this month. But that doesn't matter - The Word sometimes hits the spot, sometimes misses the boat but that's the kind of relationship I have with most things in my life: friends, music, books, the pub - what keeps me coming back is the important stuff like values, world view, entertainment. In short, how and why they say stuff more than what stuff they talk about.
Eloquent, eh? How on earth is it that I'm not a journo?
Mojo's CDs
have nearly always been excellent.
I can't quite see the problem in liking Mojo AND The Word, I subscribe to both and am not racked with guilt.
I subscribe to both and Q
And agree that all are different and offer different views on the world.
360 degree vision is never a bad thing!
Presumably Mr Hepworth is on holiday -
if he was here he'd probably say something like 'I hope that when you prefer The Word to Mojo you go to their website and announce the fact.'
Which is kind of my (badly-made) point
I've never been to the Mojo website, probably never will. I agree that there is no problem in liking more than one magazine (or band, film etc)but for whatever reason I have chosen The Word as my magazine and have developed a fondness for it, its writers and many of its readers through the website. I know it's not a "real" community in the sense of friends or family, but for me it's more than just another media outlet. So I do feel a little bad that I preferred another magazine, if only for one month. Silly, I know, but you could argue that The Word has achieved something quite incredible in the way it has engaged with its readers and this will sometimes result in maybe bizarre sentiments that are more akin to the kind of thing you would expect between friends. We moan or are disappointed because we care. If Mojo is shit next month I won't care' I just won't buy it until the next CD that looks worth the price - The Word would have to be a lot more shit for a much longer time for me to stop subscribing and visiting the site.
Me, too
I bought this month's Mojo on the strength of the Arctic Monkeys front cover, then found it had a pretty decent CD of African music to boot. Mojo is pretty interesting this month, but I don't buy it regularly - one reason being because Mojo is usually obsessed with the past and I'm more interested in where music is going and, more to the point, where my own musical taste is going (whether new or old music).
For that reason, I was extremely disappointed to see that The Word's front cover was The Beatles when it dropped on my doormat. Please can we have more new stuff instead of raking over the past again and again, ad nauseum?
Oddly enough, I'm losing patience with Mojo
after Kings Of Leon THEN Fleet Foxes THEN Arctic Monkeys sleeves.
If I want new music, I'll go elsewhere for it, and it won't be white kids with guitars.
Dear Mr Bargepole
Are you by any chance related to the author of the provocative and often amusing “Bargepole” columns which used to appear in Punch in the 1980s, railing against all change in the world?
I can’t help but think that if that column was appearing now, strong opinions on such topics as man bags and Twitter would be featuring in it.
I raise my hat
to you, sir, for I am indeed his illegitimate offspring returned from years in exile to claim what is rightly mine, and to tweak the nose of the world in general, and the massive in particular, when it pleases me to do so!
"can the album reviews section get any worse"
It's useless isn't it? If a review gets a whole page then it usually a good one, but sadly only about three or four albums get this treatment. The little three paragraph reviews say nothing, which wouldn't be such a big deal if they at least had a star rating of some sort to indicate what they actually thought of it.
It's the weakest part of the magazine by a long distance, and the very worst review section in any monthly magazine. Q, Mojo and Uncut have reviews that tell me something.
Do I have a manbag?
I always though manbags were those things that looked like a leather toiletry bag with a short handle for dangling from the wrist. If I'm right, then I definitely don't have a manbag.
If, on the other hand, it's a shoulder bag we're talking about then I do have one. I'd like to know now, just so that if it turns out I do have one I can go and get the appropriate asymmetric haircut to go with it.
Oh yeah - the mag. To be honest, the last 2 or 3 editions are the first since I started subscribing that I haven't read from cover to cover, but I'm not certain whether it's a general dip in quality. The Bono articles a while back were just unpleasant: an extended slag-off rather than anything interesting, which was disappointing coming from a normally enthusiastic publication. But that's my only criticism, and the CDs have never been better - I think the last 3 have been excellent.
If I found a magazine
that was exactly to my taste then I'd probably be the only one reading it. I read the Word because it frequently has articles of interest to me, it's generaly well written and I like the cover CD because I don't listen to radio that much these days and so it's a good way to try out new music. However, that doesn't mean that the magazine is beyond criticism (the reviews section is poor and some editions (the Bono one in particular) seem to have too much filler).
The OP may well have run his course with The Word. I was a Q subscriber for 2-3 years but gave it up about 10 years ago because it had "nothing to say about my life". That's life and there's no need to get het up about it.
ok...
i subscribe, so i'm allowed a comment, right?
free cds a good idea - quality taken a nosedive recently
articles are usually a mix of interesting comment on culture (the wider the better for me) and pieces on bands that there has already been more than enough written about (i really don't want to read anything more about u2, the beatles, dylan etc ever again. these artists are used purely as a selling tool in my opinion - whack 'em on the cover, write stuff about them that's been said a million times, and bob's your sales-figures)
reviews ok but not varied enough, and too short
'best and worst' pages always great, controversial, funny - first page turned to
the whole thing is generally a good read, it makes me angry and makes me laugh in about equal measure, and takes me a good coupla hours to get through, which is value for cash, but i can't help feeling that it's not really 'me' - i'm almost 40, married, coupla kids, work in education, loved guitar music for ever, loved electronic music almost as long, read books like they're going outta fashion, interested in popular culture from a 'critical' perspective (ooohh, get me, etc) so i guess i'm pretty much the word demographic, and i do enjoy the mag. however, when i see the beatles on the cover, or a seven page u2 article, or another piece about some already-established, commercially successful artist, it makes me cringe.
you know what i want? i want to be challenged.
i bought a copy of wire for the frst time last week - never heard of any of the bands mentoned, their review section was massive, never heard of any of the bands, the interviews were really detailed, never heard of any of the bands. i felt excluded and also, at the same time, interested, ready to be 'educated, ready to be introduced to music.
that's what the word cds used to do, but haven;t for a long time know (i find them too samey)
i guess what i'm saying is: cover a more eclectic mix, especially in terms of the electronic music (see the recent thread on that if you want proof there's a need...), introduce us to new music, rather than making us read about music we've already heard. be brave. credit us with - not only intelligence - a love of the new, the unusual, the strange.
last issue had the beatles on the cover, for f***'s sake!
we are hungry for new sounds - surprise us.
Beatles on the cover...
massively collectable for Beatles fans worldwide - why do you think Mojo and Uncut do it so often.
Haircut time
A shoulder bag is a manbag around these parts
Bargepole...
Whilst I love Word (and the podcasts - particularly when Ellen is on - coz he's unintentionally hilarious), you are entitled to your opinion without being shot down by the brown-nosers. I'm not a Twitter person - but I accept that it is very much "the thing of the moment" and just coz I'm not into it doesn't mean it's not relevant. I did like the "Word of Mouth" bit - but, clearly, it's not that popular with the majority. My one gripe - I wish the book review bit was a bit bigger - and the brown-nosers on this blog who like to virtually (as in "not really", not "nearly") felate the Word staff.
What's wrong with "fellating"
someone it's better to give than recieve!
I'll take your Word...
for it.
So anyone that disagrees with you
is a 'brown-noser'!
Sorry - I don't do guilt. Whilst not exactly uncritical - I don't get too worked up if a particular item/podcast doesn't interest me. I am a consumer after all.
Bargepole hasn't expressed much of an opinion. He has posted a critical view of the magazine's recent issues/podcasts, telling us what he doesn't like (all together -aaaaaaaaahhh), without posting any constructive points or suggestions as to what he/she would change (if anything).
It's too easy to be destructive (troll?) in cyberspace, but I would give his posts more credence if there was something of substance in them rather than just negative comment.
No! No! No!
Keep your thong on! I don't mean anyone with a different opinion - I mean the "we love everything Word does brigade". And, whether you like it or not, Bargepole is entitled to be critical about the magazine - and doesn't have to give contructive advice. When you review a bad CD do you tell the band how they should have done it?
I assume that the question is hypothetical
Without being facetious, I am not a journalist, so I don't review anything.
Reviewers will usually say why a particular CD, DVD, program, film or book is disappointing or where its perceived weaknesses lie.
This is an open forum, so I would generally expect differences of opinion, but will just filter out anything that just criticises individuals or content without any rationale or justification. For example, accusing Word staff members of cronyism seems like a personal beef to me rather than a constructive point of view.
The name of the game is presumably to sell magazines, entertain and inform. Fans of a particular band (myself included) will always cavil if they don't agree with a review of their favourites.
Too narrow a focus will also alienate readers. What I look for in the Word is a mixture of coverage, not just about music, but also of other media - books, films, TV, cartoons etc.
This may make me atypical, but I'm used to that - this tide is damn strong !
I agree...
that the name of the game is to sell mags - that's why The Beatles are on the cover this month - because it will sell more than if Jeff Tweedy was on the cover - fact. I also like your use of the word "cavil" and may use it myself in future conversation with my friends - but they will call me a t**t if I do - fact.
Written English,
spoken English..... I probably wouldn't use it in conversation (if I had any friends LOL!).
Beatles
Do we know what difference an appearance of one or all of the Hey Jude hitmakers on the cover makes to the sales? I believe The Word usually sells around 35,000 copies was there a spike in sales when Lennon was featured a while ago?
Nice...
...my heart went pitty-pat when you used the word "cavil". Go on, do it again...
Re: The Word -
bring back Word of Mouth but get (more) contributions from readers/subscribers. I'm not interested in what Victoria Coren etc is listening to, or what brother Giles has in his manbag but, based on contributions on this blog, would be keen to hear recommendations from Backwards 7, Archie, Patrick, Vulpes, Retropath et al.
I'd be quite happy to read CD reviews by any of these people too ... out-sourcing, it's the way forward.
Otherwise, as you were.
P.S. If you want shoddy journalism check out this month's Uncut. The gratutituous Beatles feature is one of the weakest items I have ever read in any music magazine, ever.
Agreed...
...I had a blip of excitement upon seeing the Fab Four on the cover of Uncut, only to find inside an article that can be described in Northern parlance as shite.
Conversely, The Word's 'Why The Beatles Are Underrated' article was the best Beatles-related piece I've read in a very long time.
Further agreed ...
... Paul du Noyer's Fabs piece in particluar was fantastic.
Agreed
I wondered if Uncut had to drop a section on the beatles at the last minute, it was so badly put together, really shoddy. It reminded me of the last days of Vox magazine.
Review section
I occasionally buy Uncut and Mojo as well, and read them all the way through till I get to the review sections (about a third of the mags or seems like it). At that point I read maybe three reviews and skim through the rest. The live reviews I skip altogether Seems a waste of 30-40 pages. I think the Word should go back to doing decent-length reviews of 3 or 4 records a month and ignoring the rest. A half-column review is neither fish nor fowl. And I'd welcome more book reviews - not just newly-published books, but articles on favourite fiction, history etc.
And I think that anyone, even a first-time poster, has the right to express an opinion.
I quite liked
the recent Beatles article. It was nice to read some different perspectives, particularly given the scraping of Beatles barrels round at Uncut towers lately. If there's to be more on the Fabs, why not have some interviews with some people who you rarely hear from in the media? An interview with Mark Lewisohn about his upcoming three-volume Beatles biography would be interesting. And I'm sure I remember hearing Mark Ellen in one of the podcasts saying he'd love to interview Brian Matthew. Unless that's already featured (I'm only a recent subscriber), that'd be great to see. Similarly, Michael Gray speaks really well about Dylan, but his work seems to get very little press coverage. His recent speaking tours were great and full of new (to me) information, so there is the potential for a great lengthy Word interview there too.
Nothing wrong with The Beatles on the cover
I believe the strength of the magazine, and associated stuff (Podcast etc), is its diversity - not just musically, but culturally in general.
An article about the Beatles is just as valid as anything else produced in the last few months
Have to agree about the Reviews - would like some more (Music, DVD, Films) but not to the extent of those mags mentioned above
Apart from
the issue with Jarvis Cocker on the front, when his contribution was about 2 sentences, I've always really enjoyed the mag, intelligent, mature and funny, what more could you want?
taken to task
for no constructive suggestions, so bargepole urges you to consider theses musings:
give us a rest from beatles, dylan ,et al
improve radically the reviews section, maybe fewer and lengthier reviews of albums, dvds and books.
ditch interviews with the victoria corens, sandi toksvigs etc - i'm sure they're fine upstanding members of society, but i don't think they're relevant to the mag
cut down the obsession with american tv
lose lightweights like andrew collins - more from, for example, the criminally underused stuart maconie or the old warhorse charles shaar murray
get mark ellen to contribute an article each month, and to spare an hour for the podcast say 3 weeks out of 4 - we'll let him off with press week!
by the way , i also subscribe to mojo, but long ago gave up on Q and uncut!
over to the massive!
I felt Uncut lost it when they changed things around
a couple of years ago. All of a sudden they had all that movie stuff. But this turned out to be good news. I started to look elsewhere and there was a magazine with Tom Waits on the cover. It was called The Word.
Being a student at the time I wouldn´t have been able to afford three monthlys (I also read Mojo), but dropping Uncut I could give The Word a chance. We have been friends since.
I too subscribe to Mojo
and usually get Uncut. Mojo is often very good, Uncut is often very poor.
Think the reason why people here are quite passionate and care about the Word, is this here blog. Have been on other mags blogs, and they are frankly crap. There is a real sense of community here which has developed really well, and complements the magazine well.
Was a time when the endless Beatles, Stones, Dylan covers irritated the hell out of me, doesn't so much now. Realise that these artists, esp Beatles, sell mags, and any extra sale has got to be good these days.
Have always thought the UK is well served for music mags. Not sure about other countries, but I can't imagine there are many places that have the amount of mags available, covering so many different genres. Would love to know if anyone knows different.
Agree re Maconie and Ellen, would love to see more from them both. Un/fortunately it seems that American TV is where its at, and UK TV pretty much sucks, so the obsession will continue until the situation changes. And as i said in my apology to you Bargepole, the review section is poor, it feels like something that has been tacked onto the end, as if gruffly acknowledging that as a music mag, there should be some kind of music reviews, at best really an afterthought
Reviews section...
Personally I wouldn't mind if there weren't any reviews. I would much rather the space was given over to something else. I don't feel that knowing what is 'new' and 'happening' is terribly important and it would be very refreshing having a 'music' magazine without one.
Not reviews but recommendations ...
The first section I read is the list of what the Word staff have been reading watching or listening to over the previous month. I trust these people to point me in the direction of things worthwhile. Most of my 'new' purchases (or at least new to me) come from there, and not from the review section.
The rest come from on here. 'Sir Victor Uwaifo' being a good example :-)
Now that's a good idea...
cut down on the reviews and expand the recommendations.
There are an awful lot of magazine titles in France.
I visited one cd / book / magazine chain, in the corner of a supermarket, where there were shelves full of them. Twice the number I'd find in WH Smith. I'd say that France has as many music titles as the UK. They tend not to be perfect bound and the French prefer different genres. There were several devoted to reggae - and "Les Inrockuptibles" had a stand-alone issue all about Leonard Cohen (ten Euros and a covers CD featuring The Close Lobsters). Placebo are still getting front covers and indie is well looked after. No weekly titles though. Not many record shops either. Or gigs, come to that. French music fans put in far more leg-work than we have to.
Come on
It's not about knowing what's new and happening,I like a good review section so I can be aware of which of the many artists I enjoy have something being released. Any mag that dropped it would no doubt suffer very quickly I would think.
Whilst Q became unreadable a long time ago I think the other three all have bits that are decent. I mainly get Word and Uncut but if they merged Word's content and Uncut's review section I would happily save myself a few quid a month.
where do we go from here
with music sales plummeting and the whole music and magazine publishing industries seemingly in terminal decline .
how much longer can the - presumably relatively small - uk market sustain the current number of monthlies - off the top of my head, word , Q, mojo, uncut, classic rock. wonder what their respective sales figures are.
what does the much loved 'music mag of the year', which boasts 'intelligent life on planet rock' do next when planet rock itself seems on the point of burn out?
that is surely the question.
and as for the whole manbag issue, may I refer interested parties to the thread 'as the venerable lloyd cole once said'.
ABC figures July - Dec 08:
Classic Rock 70,188 (66,632 / 67,399)
Kerrang! 52,272 (60,294 / 76,937)
Metal Hammer 50,269 (48,540 / 45,809)
Mixmag 30,159 (34,073 / 35,817)
Mojo 100,507 (106,367 / 106,218)
NME 48,459 (56,284 / 64,033)
Q 103,017 (113,174 / 131,330)
Rock Sound 20,011 (22,527 / 23,021)
Terrorizer 13,786 (14,952)
Uncut 87,069 (86,925 / 91,028)
Word 34,280 (33,775 / 33,217)
(The two figures in brackets are for January to June 2008 and July to December 2007 respectively.)
Bargepole has a sharp intake
of breath when he sees Word becalmed near the bottom of the sales chart, although at least higher than the worryingly titled Terrorizer.
But who is buying all those copies of Uncut?
yeah but
only three of those mags have seen a circulation increase - The Word being one of them - also, remember the Word is an indie publication and - I presume - can survive on a significantly smaller circulation than others on the list.
The relevance of a music magazine
As you get older (I'm 56), your music paper/magazine changes with you. I took NME/Melody Maker in the 60's, Sounds in the 70's, Q in the eighties, Mojo/Uncut in the 90's/noughties, and now read Word.
I have found that magazines reposition themselves at certain periods to make themselves more relevant to a usually younger readership.
This certainly happened with Q in the early nineties (prior to this it was very similar to the feel of Mojo today).
Uncut did the same 2/3 years ago with a radical change to the look,feel(they made it smaller and reduced the size of the typeface) and content to such an extent that they lost me as a loyal subsciber.
Having subscribed to Mojo since it's very early days, I now find it increasingly boring and repetitive (there can only be so many rock stories!!). I did not renew my subscription.
Hey - I know that magazines need a circulation, and they must adjust to capture what they feel is a larger target readership (I am assuming this would be a 25-45 year old age group).
I don't have a problem with this (I like to listen to new music and ideas - although I am still waiting for something new and fresh to knock me musically off my feet as it did 30/40 years ago). However if the magazine does not provide the right balance it can leave some readers behind as they inevitably grow older.
Word provides the correct balance for me - it may be that two of it's editorial staff are a similar age to me. Every month I find the quality of writing exellent and it's features an interesting read, Obviously some months outshine others, but it drags me along with it and keeps me informed.
God knows what I'll be reading when I'm 60 -65 (mostly rock obituaries of my heroes I fear).
I suspect when you are 60-65
you will be reading this http://www.saga.co.uk/saga-magazine/
It must be doing someting right with 654,742 subscribers. Mark Ellen does the music page too.
Hepworth is astute enough to realise that
his core audience is growing older with him - we've been together through Smash Hits, Q, Mojo and now The Word.
I confidently predict that Devt Hell will buy out Saga Magazine within 10 years and position it as the next natural step for when we outgrow The Word.
I think The Oldie
would be more up DevHell's street.
Renamed
Play Some Old?
The Word - I DO Love It!
I love The Word - it's a good read, doesn't take itself too seriously and is a nice blend of modernity and nostalgia. And just to make me look an even sadder sod, I really love the podcast! I still giggle when I think about the HORA tale of Van Morrison's gob-iron and the anal cleft! Bring back the HORA! But some of the Ellen/Hepworth rambles down the lanes of musical memory do strike chords. Brilliant!
I think there is a bit of a trap here
If you don't think it used to be better, it probably wasn't for you in the first place.
I ended up as a subscriber
I ended up as a subscriber because of the podcasts. In terms fo musical coverage, my tastes rarely overlap with what the Word covers. But that doesn't really matter to me as I enjoy the breadth of coverage - so for me, more about US TV, more interviews with people like V Coren, more Andrew Collins. Like many others I got here via Q and Empire, giving up when they rebadged for a younger auidence.
It's the quality of writing that makes The Word worthwile to me. I sunscribe to Rolling Stone for the same reason, and they've all but given up on album reviews. I'm lucky in that I can afford both Record Collector and Classic Rock as well - no where near as well written, but they feed me all the news and reviews I need.
Subscribed for much the same reasons
Disillusionned with others
Recognize and enjoy good writing
Appreciate variety/breadth of subjects covered
Unexpected interviewees (Victoria Coren, Clive James etc)
But, not getting any other publication I would appreciate a deeper (but not 50% of the damn book (Uncut, you know what I'm talking about) Review Section, covering Music, Film, TV, Books and anything else you can think of (Food?)
Less American TV though (please balance with something British - there is some good stuff on (sometimes))
Same here
Musical tastes nowhere near the Word , a subscription
to Classic Rock meets my needs. Took out subscription
to Word as recognition of the magnificent
podcast, which I'd happily pay for, and the ongoing mental stimulation
of this site. I read about half the magazine
with real interest, the rest I can take or leave.
Would be interested when the figures come in
how well the recent Beatles cover sold, compared to other issues.
Just from looking at the amount of copies left on the shelf in my local whs, I would say pretty well
Whilst I'm sure that putting The Beatles on the cover...
does sales no harm at all, I think it was a worthy feature on the Beatle band. If people think there is nothing left to say about them, the article proved that there is.
the simple solution
is everyone can set up their magazine and have wilco and gong on the cover and review as many lps as they like, that or use the internet or whatever. What's the point of having a dog and barking yourself ?
I have to say my heart sank
I have to say my heart sank when I saw the Beatles on the cover, and even though the feature was considerably better than Uncut's, that doesn't mean to say it should be encouraged. Clearly, garage forecourt man has a lot to answer for, and I sometimes wonder if he realises quite how influential he is. I'll continue to buy Uncut for Andrew Mueller and its in-depth music reviews, the occasional piece by Allan Lewis etc, although I much prefer Word. It's somewhat ironic that Word has been feted for being the best music mag, when - as others have already mentioned - one of its weakenesses is the deficiency of its music reviews. But it's the very breadth of the mag's coverage, its unwillingness to devote the majority of its coverage solely to music, the humour etc. that are its greatest strengths.
Guardian's 'Londoner' than The Word
I think The Word is remarkably free of Islington manbaggery (or satchel, as we call them in the north) - it's certainly not as bad as The Guardian with its endless articles about Boris Johnson and serialisation of Robert Elms' autobiography '25 Years Of Smirking In A Pair Of Fashionable Trousers'. A few years ago they even managed to do a whole article about the meaning of chewing gum defacement on adverts in Tube stations.
I got fed up with Mojo's endless recycling of Hendrix, The Band, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, The Byrds articles. I like the fact that The Word features interesting people like Sandi Toksvig who don't seem to be interviewed anywhere else.
And as someone who still uses cassette players (eeh, remember them?), it's nice to have these new fads like Twitter explained without having to feel you're going to be sent to the Uncool Room for not twitting.
Just out of interest
I would assume that there are some reading this blog who have a background in the publishing industry. There are also seems to be no shortage of decent ideas here about content.
How for would the editorial team be happy with letting the style and content be guided by the audience?
All the way
That's what The Randomiser's for.
I assume this blog doesn't make money, but it's a brilliant source of intelligence about readers and their likes and dislikes. You can't pay for market research like this.