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Is this great bass guitar playing? Or not?

russell123's picture

I've enjoyed music for more than 40 years. But I don't play an instrument.

So I have just realised my appreciation of superb playing might be faulty. (I think Mark Ellen's forensic pinpointing of singers who can't actually sing got me thinking this way.)

Here's a case in point. Trevor Horn playing bass live with The Art of Noise.

It looks - and sounds - impressive to me.

But is it?

Any bass players out there to give me an opinion?


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I'm not a bass player...

but I would say that is good but not particularly demanding bass playing.

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Patrick Crowther | 1 April 2009 - 8:45pm

...what IS then, IYO?

...what IS then, IYO?

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JeffLeopard | 1 April 2009 - 8:58pm

The Ox

They don't get much better than Jon Entwistle.


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Dipsy | 1 April 2009 - 9:13pm

Entwistle!!

My favourite bass playing of all time, over all my soul and reggae tunes in my collection that I love is Entwistle's playing on The Real Me on The Who's Quadrophenia. It's actually a great band performance with Townsend doing the rhythm part, pinning down the performance and Entwistle and Moon playing lead instruments pretty much. The bass sound is superb and the playing is enough to make me put down my guitars and pick up a bass.

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SimonL | 1 April 2009 - 9:18pm

Oi, oi oi!

He could at least have the decency to make it look like he was having to try. Gees, it looks at some points like he has 10 fingers on each hand, they're moving so fast.

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Lucky Tiler | 1 April 2009 - 9:22pm

This!


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Patrick Crowther | 1 April 2009 - 9:18pm

Bastard

I'd just pinned my bass fan colours to the Entwistle mast and you put this up: were they not one of the greatest bands ever? Superb musicians.

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SimonL | 1 April 2009 - 9:20pm

Chic were astonishing...

I Want Your Love can make me cry, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

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Patrick Crowther | 1 April 2009 - 9:22pm

Just started listening to it on Spotify...

and the bass playing is *extraordinary* on this as well!

Bernard Edwards, we weren't - and aren't - worthy.

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Patrick Crowther | 1 April 2009 - 9:30pm

I see that Chic..

are playing at Camp Bestival this year - does anyone know whether Messrs Edwards and Rogers will both be involved?

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MichaelP | 2 April 2009 - 10:27am

Erm

Edwards probably won't?

I heard Craig Charles interview Ian Maclagan the other month asking him how Ronnie Lane was. Hmm.

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TedLoaf | 2 April 2009 - 10:43am

Whoops....

...missed that completely.

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MichaelP | 2 April 2009 - 10:53am

I'm quite partial to this

Changing genre somewhat...


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Craig Ellis | 1 April 2009 - 11:01pm

Jamerson afficionado Harry Brus

Australia greatest bass player Harry Brus.


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jmo | 9 April 2009 - 7:58am

Agree with Patrick

And I am a bass player. Usually, the bass is a very different instrument from a voice or a lead guitar, in that it isn't a solo instrument (and some people go as far as to say that bass players are like referees: When they're doing their job, you shouldn't be aware of them.)

In the Trevor Horn example the enjoyment you get from it - which is ultimately what matters - comes from the fact that the arrangement is highlighting the bass, rather than the skill of the playing. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But this is both entertaining and skilful (from about 2:40)...

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Lucky Tiler | 1 April 2009 - 9:10pm

The Flecktones

They are a fine bunch of musicians. None of the banjo player jokes seem to fit Mr. Fleck.

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Kjell | 3 April 2009 - 9:19pm

Very true, Kjell, and when you try telling someone...

... that you like their music, they say "Who's this Bela Fleck?", and as soon as you've said "He's a banjo player, but - " you realise you're swimming against the stereotype tide.

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Lucky Tiler | 6 April 2009 - 4:54pm

Former bass player here

And yes, Patrick's right. It also sounds like he's missing a few notes at the beginning, too, and doesn't really get into the groove of the piece until about 2/3 of the way through.

Funny story, though. I met the guy who taught me how to play bass when I heard him practicing along with Close To The Edit from the room upstairs in my halls of residence at Uni. Except he was playing it in a Mark King style thumb-slap fashion, which actually sounded better (certainly more crisp and funky)than the plectrum fashion Our Trev is using in that video.

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ridski | 1 April 2009 - 9:35pm

As fine as all these people are...

...one never hears enough about Colin 'Bomber' Hodgkinson in the role call of greats. Just found this on youtube - it's understated, deft and lovely:


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Colin H | 1 April 2009 - 9:52pm

Colin Hodgkinson

Nice to see some recognition for one of the best bass players of the modern era. Check out any early Back Door, but for sheer joy, listen to him playing (and singing) Robert Johnson's 32-20 Blues. Its available on Spotify (which put Spotify up in my opinion straight away)

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ainsley009 | 1 April 2009 - 11:06pm

He must have been short of cash in 1983 :-)

Here he is with Whitesnake - before the US 'hair metal' days when the musicians were still chubby blokes with hats


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stimpy | 2 April 2009 - 10:09am

Are you tootling your own trumpet...

...Colin H?

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nicktf | 1 April 2009 - 11:34pm

Funny you should ask, but....

...no! I'd remembered to insert a disclaimer on the 'Australian Rock' thread when I bigged-up Colin Hay (ie. I'm not him), but alas forgot to do so when bigging up the Bomber (ie. I'm not him either!). Rest assured that (a) I'm a complete nobody, and (b) I'm not the type to ever recommend in a public forum anything to do with myself. Much too coy and lacking in self-assurance, I assure you!

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Colin H | 2 April 2009 - 1:20pm

That's a relief

It would have been way too obvious.

How many other musicians called Colin H are you a fan of?

I asked some time ago how it is that none of the people we discuss ever actually come on here to reply (except Andrew Collins of course).

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Lucky Tiler | 2 April 2009 - 1:56pm

That's not bass playing!

Sorry, that probably sounds downright perverse - he is playing a bass after all. To my ears, though, he's "just" playing (very adroitly) a slightly folky guitar piece - on a bass guitar.

Is it a distinction without difference to say that John Entwistle, say, was really playing bass, in a way that, in this clip at least, Colin Hodgkinson isn't?

On the subject of James Jamerson, isn't there some doubt, not about his greatness, but about which records he actually played on? I'm sure I remember reading that Carol Kaye insists that she was playing bass on some of the Motown classics, possibly even including Bernadette.

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Theo Zoffrok | 2 April 2009 - 1:17pm

Thorny question...

I hear what you're saying Azeem - and there's no bigger fan of Entwistle's style of playing than me. Hodgkinson definitely DOES play more 'bass centric' when in an ensemble, while still being a master of melody and invention. The clip I posted just had better sound than some of the others I found, and it appealed to me as a piece of music. But, yeah, maybe it is more '4 string guitar' than 'bass' if you really want to be pernickety about it.

On a similar topic, I do have a liking for the first two of Stanley Clarke's 70s solo albums, but I'd happily concede that the self-proclaimed 'Lord of the low frequencies' (a misnomer surely for someone who plays far up the neck on a piccolo bass) is more a frustrated lead guitarist than a truly great 'bass' player...

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Colin H | 2 April 2009 - 1:25pm

Apparently

some dead mad shouty internet people claim Carol Kaye can't remember what she played on and the same shouty internet people claim she was not on Bernadette. That's as far as my knowledge goes. About anything really.

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TedLoaf | 2 April 2009 - 4:12pm

An alternative to the bass guitar....


Youtube really doesn't do the Tuba any justice.

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TedLoaf | 1 April 2009 - 10:03pm

You'll like this, then


You can never have too much folk-funk tuba, in my opinion.

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Cadabra | 1 April 2009 - 10:51pm

Quite!

Again though, youtube takes all bottom end danger out of the tuba. Bah!

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TedLoaf | 2 April 2009 - 10:45am

JAMERSON

...towers over the Ox:


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JeffLeopard | 1 April 2009 - 10:10pm

Ah you beat me to it.

But here's some more James Jamerson for us all to enjoy.


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Gauntlet | 1 April 2009 - 10:17pm

Most welcome

I love the Word blog but if it were a geography lesson it would be top heavy on Caucasia Major.

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Stan Halen | 2 April 2009 - 3:17am

Thanks for posting that wonderful clip, Jeff

Never seen it before.
James Jamerson is of course the greatest instrumentalist in the history of rock’n’roll (you can stick your guitar heroes where the sun don’t shine, rock’n’roll is about swing and it’s the bass wot swings it). Mad for the ale though. Had to be hoiked out of clubs and hauled to the studio. Fried to the gills for the What’s Going On session apparently and did it lying on his back on the studio floor. Never seen a live clip of hime before as he didn’t play live much.
Seem to remember a thread on here a few months about how WGO is “over-rated”. Not round here it isn’t. And these live versions are better than the record.

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Richard Lowe | 2 April 2009 - 10:04am

Agreed

You can pick almost any Motown track and hear wonderful bass playing.. and I can't remember the other guys name, but Jamerson wasn't the only bassist.
Where most players stick to the same riff, these folks are varying around that a bit - and not to show off, but to syncopate and get you dancing.
And weren't those guys a massive influence on Macca and Entwistle?

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theListener | 2 April 2009 - 12:26pm

I play a little bit...

but that's by the by as, honestly, I can't see past the fact he's playing a 5-string. Eurgh!

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Nick Orton | 1 April 2009 - 10:15pm

Thanks for that

I appreciate the insight from those who play and/or know about these things.

I do like Lucky Tiler's comment that you shouldn't really be aware of the skill of the bass player.

I remember a Neil and Tim Finn concert in Belfast where the whole sound was lifted and improved amazingly for the encore.

It took quite a few seconds to realise that Nick Seymour had arrived on stage as a special guest and taken over the bass from the Finn's usual player on that tour.

I also read that Seymour isn't necessarily the most consistent player but is very creative. Time to listen again to my Crowded House albums!

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russell123 | 1 April 2009 - 10:33pm

Andy Fraser

Apart from anything else - wasn't he like 12 when he was in Free

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Sheev | 1 April 2009 - 10:56pm

One of the most instantly recognizable bass sounds in music...

he is a *great* bass player.

I just had a look at his website... the photo gallery is truly bizarre. I'm not sure whether he sees himself as a musician or a member of the Chippendales.

http://www.andyfraser.com

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Patrick Crowther | 1 April 2009 - 11:12pm

A smattering of applause for Simon Kirke...

as well please. Truly a groove-monster - keeps it simple and nails it - just what Free needed from a drummer. Been sadly under-rated throughout his career.

This clip perfectly illustrates where Free got it right, and Bad Co missed the point...


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stimpy | 2 April 2009 - 10:23am

Drum and Bass

Free wins hands down!

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Fear Manach | 4 April 2009 - 10:13am
Gauntlet | 1 April 2009 - 11:16pm

Jaco and Joni

There is no doubt that JP co-sculpted that utterly unique sound of Hejira, Mingus, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Joni's open tunings,Jaco's harmonic bass lines. Beguiling, unsettling, cursed, charmed - like Icarus ascending on beautiful, foolish arms

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Sheev | 2 April 2009 - 1:41pm

My old man gave my brother a Jaco DVD...

when he started learning bass. It worked wonders.

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graceunderpressure | 3 April 2009 - 10:05pm

Willie Weeks, y'all..

..on "Donny Hathaway Live"
A bass solo that is playful and funky.
There's a tasty Cornell Dupree solo first.


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shane pacey | 1 April 2009 - 11:41pm

Some of my favourite bass playing

is to be found on Ian Dury's album, New Boots & Panties. The bassist is Norman Watt-Roy, who has a beautiful sound on his bass & comes up with brilliant basslines. Listen, e.g., to "My Old Man"; it's the bass that gives it its magical, memorable quality.

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Raymo | 2 April 2009 - 1:06am

Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick

Somewhat sullied by overexposure, but what a brilliant bass performance.

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Metal Mickey | 2 April 2009 - 8:00am

coolest man in pop

bar none.

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badartdog | 2 April 2009 - 8:36am

Magnificent Seven - The Clash

I didn't know until recently he was the bass line on that. I thought Simonon had improved!!

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SimonL | 2 April 2009 - 8:46am

Norman Watt-Roy: Working Man's Bass

I'm glad Raymo brought up Watt-Roy, because most of the examples we've seen above are where the bass is showcased. As any bass player knows, 99% of your time is spent not being flash in that way, but providing the solid foundation for the rest of the music, and Norman's work demonstrates that you can be brilliant without having to take centre stage.

I saw them live on their last tour with Dury, and realised that despite his huge presence and distinctive vocals and subject matter, what raised this band way above the level of others of their day was the musicianship, arrangements and feel, and Norman is at the centre of all of those.

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Lucky Tiler | 2 April 2009 - 9:07am

And with that in mind: Bill Wyman

I love my Motown, where the bass is pretty damn upfront, and I love Entwistle, just because it's such a good sound, but you're right, most bass players - like rhythm guitarists - are doing their job best when they're pinning it down so that the rest of the band can go a bit mad. Wyman's work with the Stones surely qualifies.

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SimonL | 2 April 2009 - 10:54am

Absolutely, Lucky Tiler

Well put. And it's the fact that it's not "in your face" that makes it so rewarding to come back to. I have listened to that album many, many times & it never goes stale, largely because of the musicianship you're talking about. The more you hear it, the more you appreciate what those guys behind Dury - especially Norman Watt-Roy - are doing.

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Raymo | 2 April 2009 - 11:24am

I think the fact that

they are still more or less the same unit, give or take the death of Charlie Charles and Davey Payne being too eccentric to be in any band for long, that backed Dury from all those years ago speaks volumes: ability to know just where to unobtrusively slip in a note, or leave one out, between each others gaps. Maestros one and all.
Whatever happened to Normans brother?

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Retropath2 | 2 April 2009 - 11:32am

Can't Resist

What Watt-Roy boy is that then?

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Lucky Tiler | 2 April 2009 - 12:53pm

I was sure I remembered another Watt-Roy

from my teen perusal of album covers in record shops whilst listening on headphones. I did google Watt-Roy and indeed there is an elder one, Garth, but that doesn't ring the same bell as I distantly heard from my youth.

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Retropath2 | 2 April 2009 - 1:54pm

I'm having the same moment

That nagging feeling that there was a brother, but the name Garth not ringing a bell.

Maybe we're getting mixed up with that other double-barrelled bass player, Geoffrey Hammond-Hammond.

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Lucky Tiler | 2 April 2009 - 2:00pm

Who, of course, really should have been a keyboard player

so we could have had the credit:

Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond Hammond

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stimpy | 2 April 2009 - 3:08pm

Norman

The man is a legend - still touring with Blockheads and also with Wilko Johnson Band, (and new teeth!).

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Badlands | 2 April 2009 - 4:48pm

Don't Talk To Me About Norman's New Teeth

He was away getting them done the last time I saw the Blockheads, replaced by someone (inevitably) much less talented.

Incidentally, that was a strange gig: It was at Dunfermnline's own Carnegie Hall (it's Andrew Carnegie's birthplace) and it was so quiet, even in the second row, that I found myself not daring to move, lest the rustling of my clothing disturbed other members of the audience. No kidding! Very strange indeed.

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Lucky Tiler | 2 April 2009 - 9:37pm

Peter Hook

Or Hooky to his former wife. Energy and deeply memorable structures of JD and NO songs.

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ian | 2 April 2009 - 1:23am

Sometimes it is just the gaps rather than the notes.....

3 faves,but go straight to 6.25 in the first clip. I'm sure it's dead simple but it's utterly gorgeous.


Likewise, thru'out:


I'm told this is quite, um, nimble also. There is a great story about when Dave Pegg auditioned for Fairport, after Ashley Hutchings left. Apparently the band played as fast as they could, trying to throw him off the scent. No chance!

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Retropath2 | 2 April 2009 - 8:24am

Dead Right, Retropath

It's as much about the notes you don't play, which leads nicely to Robbie Shakespeare, playing here with Black Uhuru. Analysts (like me) will note:

  • Perfect precision in playing what sounds like a simple bass line. Anything less and it just sounds ordinary
  • Perfectly-judged gaps: Just enough to be effective without overdoing it
  • Perfectly-placed passing notes - tiny short notes but they do so much to elevate it from the ordinary
  • Masterly use of variation: From 3:28 in this clip, for at least a minute, he plays the same note over and over, but by playing it in different ways he makes huge differences to the feel.

You hardly see him in this clip, but it hardly matters; when you do, his fingers appears to be barely moving.
But as Rolf Harris would say, that's enough, let's get on with the song:

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Lucky Tiler | 2 April 2009 - 9:42am

Oh no ...

I agree, bass players should be felt and not heard. By which I mean that as soon as you become aware of the bass playing, it's missed the point. Even though I am partial to a bit of Jaco Pastorius every now and then, his playing was best when it grooved rather than flashed (imho).

My opinion of, ah, more obvious playing (trying to avoid a certain word here) is best summed up by the hoary old rock joke below. And apologies if you've never heard it before (no apologies if you have heard it before, it's too late for you!)

A scientific expedition disembarks from its plane at the final outpost of civilization in the deepest Amazon rain forest. They immediately notice the ceaseless thrumming of native drums. As they venture further into the bush, the drums never stop, day or night, for weeks.

The lead scientist asks one of the natives about this, and the native’s only reply is "Drums good. Drums never stop. Very BAD if drums stop."

The drumming continues, night and day, until one night, six weeks into the trip, when the jungle is suddenly silent. Immediately the natives run screaming from their huts, covering their ears. The scientists grab one boy and demand "What is it? The drums have stopped!"

The terror-stricken youth replies "Yes! Drums stop! VERY BAD!"

The scientists ask "Why? Why? What will happen?"

Wild-eyed, the boy responds,

" . . . BASS SOLO!!!"

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phonefreakhoney | 2 April 2009 - 10:07am

I've Always Liked That One!

I agree totally with your "felt and not heard" view, and it's even more the case in country music. I once worked with a country singer who told the tale of performing live with a rock-oriented bass player, who filled every available gap with flashy runs and twangs. As a result the singer's country-styled croonings were interspersed with off-mic shouts of "will you shut the f*** up?".

You have to pity the country bassist though. As a beginner, it was the first gig I could get, and having gone back to it recently, I really did get bored having, bassically (ho-ho), only about three bass lines to choose from. You can really work on the precision and minor adjustments to give a different feel, but once you've explored the 50 ways to play "bum - bom, bum - bom" over and over, there aren't many more places to go.

I'd be very happy for a country bass advocate to prove me wrong here - having more to strive for would open up that genre for me again.

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Lucky Tiler | 2 April 2009 - 10:48am

Mark King

Laugh at Level 42s music if you wish but he *is* a staggeringly capable bass player (and, by all accounts, an all round nice guy)


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stimpy | 2 April 2009 - 10:13am

There was a feature on Mark King in a very early issue of Q

from 1986 or 1987 which mentioned that he was playing a flight simulation computer game and succeeded in crashing his plane into the twin towers in New York. How odd...

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Patrick Crowther | 2 April 2009 - 7:11pm

24 = 42

Couldn't help but think that in the above clip, Mark King resembles a bass-playing Jack Bauer.

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kinkywolfgang | 7 April 2009 - 8:16am

Anyone mentioned

Macca yet?

Pick a song. Any song.

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eddie g | 2 April 2009 - 10:14am

OK

The Frog Chorus.

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kinkywolfgang | 7 April 2009 - 8:58am

Great bass line...

Simple but effective. Typical Macca

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stimpy | 7 April 2009 - 9:45am

A vote for...

Paul McCartney during his Beatle days - particularly on Sgt Pepper, which is far from my favourite Beatles album.

I'd like to say Nick Lowe, but I am not sure. He is the only person I have ever seen doing a solo set with a bass rather than an acoustic guitar.

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paulwright | 2 April 2009 - 10:30am

I think Macca

Was a bit of a pioneer. As I understand it, none of the Beatles wanted to play bass when Stu Sutcliffe left because it just plodded in the background and thus was not as successful in supporting the picking up of young ladies. Macca turned into a bit of a lead instrument. As somebody said, Sgt Pepper is a bit of a high spot but without the bass playing on Paperback Writer, it wouldn't be the same song.

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Thomas the Rhymer | 2 April 2009 - 10:51am

Melodic bass players

have always been my favourite kind - John Paul Jones, Andy Rourke and, risible z-list celebritwat though he may now be, Alex James from Blur always gave good bass.

All of the above generally came up with interesting, melodic bass lines that both complemented the music they were accompanying, and would actually sound interesting if played alone. The very opposite of my bass bete noir: the none more indie one-note "dung-dung-dung-dung dung-dung-dung-dung" style- and groove-free method.

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Cadabra | 2 April 2009 - 7:10pm

'Something'

features one of the most melodic and joyously inventive bass lines in pop. Possibly Sir Mac's finest four-stringed moment.

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eddie g | 3 April 2009 - 7:37am

My vote is for the runs and swoops in

I Want You (She's So Heavy), though there are a lot of contenders.

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nicktf | 3 April 2009 - 10:40pm

Something

Was featured on Sounds Of The Sixties yesterday. I'd always dismissed it as a Fabs also-ran for some reason but it revealed itself as an extraordinary group performance, with bass playing that's just art. And selfless too, McCartney effectively being a side man on it.

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Graham Johns | 6 April 2009 - 1:19am

Sir Horace Gentleman....

You can't come in, you can't come in...


One of the first songs I "properly" learned to play bass on. Great bass player

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Six Dog | 2 April 2009 - 10:59am

Terry Callier's You Goin Miss Your Candyman

featuring I don't know who on bass. Ah well.


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TedLoaf | 2 April 2009 - 11:08am

Oh tune!

I've not heard that in a while: I saw him live at the Jazz Cafe in about 2001 and he did this. Was spoilt slightly by the musicians taking turns solo-ing and that jazz audience insistence on applauding every solo....

I'm going to have to go and dig Terry out now.

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SimonL | 2 April 2009 - 11:08am

I had the same experience

with Jimmy Smith just before he died at the Jazz Cafe. And the bass player had six strings with lots of solos.

Any idea who the Scotish jazz player is in this Candymen version? Forgotten his bloody name and he turned me onto Wes Montgomery.


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TedLoaf | 2 April 2009 - 11:19am

Jim Mullen

http://www.terrycallier.net/

He's still in the band Terry's working with.

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SimonL | 2 April 2009 - 4:06pm

And no Carole Kaye yet?


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TedLoaf | 2 April 2009 - 11:08am

Of Course, Carol Kaye

Her other credits include:
"Homeward Bound" (Simon and Garfunkel)
"California Girls, Sloop John B, Help Me, Rhonda, Heroes and Villains" (The Beach Boys)
"I'm a Believer" (The Monkees)
"Mission: Impossible Theme" (Lalo Schifrin)
"Wichita Lineman" and "Rhinestone Cowboy" (Glen Campbell)
"River Deep - Mountain High" (Ike & Tina Turner)
"Scarborough Fair/Canticle" (Simon and Garfunkel)
"Sixteen Tons" (Tennessee Ernie Ford)
"Something Stupid" (Frank and Nancy Sinatra)
"These Boots Are Made for Walkin'" (Nancy Sinatra)
"Suspicious Minds" (Elvis Presley)

which is a bit greedy: two or three of those would be enough for one person's career.

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Lucky Tiler | 2 April 2009 - 1:02pm

Scott 4

has some great bass playing on it. Anybody got any ideas who it was?

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SimonL | 2 April 2009 - 11:09am

Not sure either...

...but I do love that bassline on "The Old Man's Back Again".

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graceunderpressure | 3 April 2009 - 10:08pm

Nine Inch Nails "The Collector"

My favourite bit of bass playing which can be found on the brilliant With Teeth album. It sounds like an elephant!

I'm at work so I can't vouch for this video I've posted:


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LOUDspeaker | 2 April 2009 - 12:06pm

One bass good

Three basses better:


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Thomas the Rhymer | 2 April 2009 - 12:40pm

A great bass player...

...is like a great sports referee: you only notice him when he screws up.

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Ian McGillis | 2 April 2009 - 12:59pm

Chris

Squire?

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eddie g | 2 April 2009 - 1:22pm

Definitely


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Molesworth | 2 April 2009 - 1:54pm

Young MC

Know How - though I don't know who the bassist is.


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ceepee | 2 April 2009 - 2:18pm

Now that's

gotta be several bass samples and I can't identify any of them. Absolute killer though. Just thrown mi back out.

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TedLoaf | 2 April 2009 - 4:16pm

The bassist is one Michael Balzary.

p/k/a Flea of the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. I was glad to hear Mani of the Stone Roses come clean on 6Music a couple of years ago and finally admit that he ripped off the bassline from Know How for Fool's Gold.

I can't believe I've got this far down the page without seeing a single mention of Jack Bruce. You lot are rubbish.

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Joey Jones | 2 April 2009 - 6:07pm

Mmmm Flea.


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Gauntlet | 3 April 2009 - 11:35am

I thought Flea

only did Bust A Move not Know How. Could be wrong.

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TedLoaf | 3 April 2009 - 12:32pm

I always liked the bass on this

I'm not sure if it's particularly hard to play but you cannot but tap your feet to this.


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kb | 2 April 2009 - 2:35pm

Chuck Rainey

Probably in the same class and coming from the same place as James Jamerson. Has great feel - has played on so much stuff it is not true - hear him on Tim Buckley's Greetings From L.A.

Probably ought to mention Pino Palladino as well - famous for the Paul Young stuff as well as playing with the 'orrible 'oo.

Before you ask - I'm a guitar player not a bassist - not miserable enough to play bass.

Also, why are bassists such magnets for the opposite sex (think Gail Ann Dorsey, Tal Wilkenfeld from the male perspective)?

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Badlands | 2 April 2009 - 4:55pm

bass culturalists

jah wobble
john paul jones
kenny gradney
duck dunn
leroy hodges
tina weymouth
walter becker
larry graham
bootsy collins

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Sheev | 2 April 2009 - 5:27pm

OoooOOOOOooooo! Tal Wilkenfeld...

She's young enough to be my daughter (sigh)


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stimpy | 2 April 2009 - 6:18pm

She is my daughter

so less of that

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Bigsby | 2 April 2009 - 9:40pm

only joking...

...in case that ruined your day

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Bigsby | 2 April 2009 - 10:31pm

Reg Kehoe and his Marimba Queens

Now this is great bass playing. Check out the solo at 1.12


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Lando Cakes | 2 April 2009 - 10:11pm

If it were put to no other use

This alone is reason enough for the internet to exist

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Molesworth | 2 April 2009 - 10:16pm

Shake em

What a joy that is.

That's put an altogether different sheen on my morning, and for that, Sir, you have my thanks.

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MikeytheEel | 7 April 2009 - 9:33am

Carol and Tal

Good to see Carol Kaye get a mention - in addition to the work listed above when Tamla moved to LA (and the Funk Bros remained in Detroit) she played bass on a lot of their hits

Tal Wilkenfeld - Australian by birth working in the US and as well to her own jazz album 'Serendipity' works with Jeff Beck. Keep an eye on BBC4 for the next time they repeat the session he did for them last year you'll see her (and also Joss Stone who - working with decent, disciplined musicians and good material - was surprisingly good)

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tkbedford | 3 April 2009 - 6:46pm

Not being a musician

I have a feeling Doug Wimbish if Living Colour is quite good.

Another favourite of mine is Marcus Miller.

And I am surprised no one has mentioned the Stone Roses yet:

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Kjell | 3 April 2009 - 9:55pm

Top 3

The already mentioned Bernard Edwards of Chic and Robbie Shakespeare, but no mention of Aston "Family Man" Barrett.

For those who like reggae, if Robbie ain't playing bass there's a good chance it'll be Aston.

And he's a father of at least 50 kids apparently - what a busy chap!

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Resting Place | 4 April 2009 - 10:55am

Bruce Foxton

for me

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badartdog | 4 April 2009 - 11:13am

back to the clip

Anne Dudley (keyboards) is one of pop music's unsung heroes. If all she'd done was to play keyboards and arrange the orchestra on Lexicon of Love that would be impressive enough, but her CV includes work with most well-known names. Also, as part of Art Of Noise, popularizing sampling and ambient music. Talented enough to not need to be well-known, and judging by her appearance in that clip, ageless.

Isn't that Alan White on one of the drum kits?

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Andrew Bradley | 4 April 2009 - 1:05pm

I just found this on Spotify

I always loved the bass playing on Graceland

http://open.spotify.com/track/4MmaH0gfufdTwY8Lx2jF3b

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matthew | 4 April 2009 - 3:14pm

BruceThomas

Hasn't had a mention. His falling out with Costello precipitated EC's disappearance from the charts; he was the alchemist who put the swing and drive into records that could have been no more than 6th Form poetry sung nasally over clunky tunes.

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Graham Johns | 6 April 2009 - 1:39am

Bruce Thomas on Pump It Up

What punch!
Have we done the thread about what this song has in common with The Vapors' "Turning Japanese"?

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Lucky Tiler | 6 April 2009 - 5:03pm

Now That's What I Call Self-Abuse

Not the song. Or the video. But the iTunes playlist featuring

"Pump it Up"
"Pictures of Lily"
"Get a Grip on Yourself" (Semisonic)
"She Bop"

etc. Probably another thread.

But, returning to bassists, Bruce T is an overlooked master. And almost any track on "This Year's Model" demonstrates this. Shame he and EC fell out. The Attractions were one of the best and tightest groups I've ever seen.

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Rufus T Firefly | 6 April 2009 - 5:55pm

You're right...

...It probably is another thread...but if so, get Squeeze's "In Quintessence" in there.

"In the corner with his book and tissue
All he can do is pretend to miss you,
Closes his eyes as he sees her body
Pulls funny faces and that’s his hobby."

None of yer poncy allusions in that one!

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nicktf | 6 April 2009 - 10:02pm

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you .....

Mr. Percy Jones.


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THE LEKK | 7 April 2009 - 9:12am

Danny the Thompson?



I believe he has also played with some of the favourites of this site..........

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Retropath2 | 7 April 2009 - 9:41am

If we're talking great bass lines...

Here are two to consider: Sting's brilliant mutant reggae line on the Police's Spirits in the material world (I can't remember the last time I read a reference to his playing with the Police); and the inspired and unique bass line on the Clash's Rock The Casbah.

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Theo Zoffrok | 7 April 2009 - 5:02pm

And The Bed's Too Big Without You, also

Almost Wobble-esque

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Retropath2 | 7 April 2009 - 5:38pm

Superb 80's bass players

Colin Moulding (XTC), Barry Adamson (Magazine) and, although it's unfashionable to say it, Derek Forbes (Simple Minds)

None were all musos. All were inventive and, ultimately, astonishing.

Steve

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mwng | 14 April 2009 - 2:14pm

Superb 80's bass players

Colin Moulding (XTC), Barry Adamson (Magazine) and, although it's unfashionable to say it, Derek Forbes (Simple Minds)

None were musos. All were inventive and, ultimately, astonishing.

Steve

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mwng | 14 April 2009 - 2:15pm

no-one seems to have mentioned...

(...unless I've missed it):
Jean-Jacques Brunel of The Stranglers: the ultimate punk bassist. Not a technical jazz-funk wizard/wanker but distinctive and great: just think of Peaches, Nice'n'Sleazy, Five Minutes, etc. Instantly recognisable sound, very cool and, apparently, some sort of karate black belt.

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nchristie | 18 April 2009 - 11:00pm

Hugely influential too

From The Cure to Cowboy Junkies, his imprint is there

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Molesworth | 18 April 2009 - 11:18pm

Jean Jacques

One of the best! Not technical maybe but brilliant bass lines. His sound was fantastic, something to do with a damaged bass amp. When this finally gave up the ghost he couldn`t rediscover his sound . Or something.

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johnsimpson1965 | 20 April 2009 - 1:11pm

Down in the sewer got a mention aeons ago

Keep up at the back!

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Retropath2 | 19 April 2009 - 10:10am

Bass Guitarists

Aaaargh!
This is the sort of discussion I swore i`d never get involved in.

Steve Kilbey of The Church. Melodic, inventive and he sings too!

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johnsimpson1965 | 20 April 2009 - 12:48pm

A mention for John Giblin

Percy Jones' tag team partner in Brand X. Listen to "Some People are Crazy" from John Martyn's Grace & Danger album - the bass line is up-front but subtle, melodic but rhythmic. Perfect for the song.

And as for Brand X...which other band produced two bass players of this calibre?

Come to think of it - Percy & John might be the only two bass players to challenge Jaco's pre-eminence on the fretless.

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Fitter Stoke | 23 April 2009 - 11:58pm

Another lovely John Giblin performance

Have a listen to his liquid lines on Kate Bush's Top Of The City. Just goes to show how silly it is to issue blanket condemnations of an instrument.

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Theo Zoffrok | 24 April 2009 - 11:53am

Another name for the hat is...

Stuart Hamm, who's played quite a lot with Joe Satriani and did a fabulous bass solo spot when I went to see Satch several years back.


And of course there's Les Claypool, who is also fabulous. Primus may not be to everyone's taste (some of it is to mine) but you just can't deny the guy can play.

Finally, someone earlier mentioned Marcus Miller. I love his playing on Jean Michel Jarre's 1984 Zoolook album, which I was reminded of when listening to the Art of Noise clip.

I don't play the an instrument but I always sort of fancied having a go at the bass as I reckon i'm one of life's natural bassists in temperament.

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illuminatus | 24 April 2009 - 2:43pm

Norman's Brother

Garth Watt Roy plays with Gerry and the Pacemakers and The Barron Knights.
I hear Norman has a solo album coming out later in the year.
He is one of the finest players around. Check out Chaz Jankels solo album Chasanova from the early 80's and check out the track Boy that Norman co wrote. And also Johnny Funk. A Blockheads song that ended up on Chaz's album.
Norman played on a few tracks on Sandinista. The better ones as did Mickey Gallagher.
Agree with a lot of the above. XTC, Squeeze, Adamson, Stranglers, Police, Entwistle, Jameson, Nick Lowe, Bruce Thomas etc. But most of all McCartney on Something. Awesome playing and he does play a great solo.
I remember someone asked him once what made a good bass player and he replied "knowing when not to play". Some do overdo it.
And no-one has mentioned Ronnie Lane. Great tuff the Small Faces (Tin Soldier) and Faces (Stay With Me) + loads more of course.
And...whoever played bass on Al Greens early records.
And while I'm at it Charlie Tumahai from Be Bop Deluxe.
Foxton wasn't bad either.

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BJ | 29 April 2009 - 3:43pm

Think it was Leroy Hodges

who played on the Al Green stuff

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Sheev | 29 April 2009 - 3:49pm

When the drums stop...

Just discovered this: Quite possibly the first bass supergroup?


Stanley Clarke, Marcus Miller and Victor Wooten have made a record together.

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Kjell | 15 May 2009 - 1:22am
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