Ignoramuses Anonymous

This is a difficult admission but I feel the need to offload and I hope by sticking my head above the parapet, I may inspire other philistines to out themselves.

You see, propelled by a full and total love for pop music spawned in the post-punk era, I really enjoy reading about music and I have been continuing to do that for the decades that have followed.

However, there are many, many acts that I have had long conversations about, even quoting songs, tours and album titles. But between you and me - I have not knowingly heard a single note by them.

Behold this roll of ignorance just off the top of my head:

My Chemical Romance
Elbow
Kaiser Chiefs
Glasvegas
Spiritualised
Babyshambles
Pussycat Dolls
Fatima Mansions
Blue Nile
Girls Aloud
The Grateful Dead
Barclay James Harvest
Frank Zappa
Pearl Jam
The Gossip/Beth Ditto
Sigur Ros

There. And there are many, many more. In my defence, I have lived in NZ for 10 years and have not been exposed so easily to the more recent British pop, but that's no excuse really. It's just laziness.

Anyone else like to share with the group? There's tea and biscuits afterwards.

Don't worry about it...

In another 20 years time most of them will be long-forgotten.

The only ones in that list with any long-term value will be:

Blue Nile
Girls Aloud
The Dead,
Zappa

stimpy | 5 November 2008 - 10:45am

Never knowingly heard...

James Taylor
Jackson Browne
The Yardbirds
Charlie Parker
Bay City Rollers

Fraser Lewry | 5 November 2008 - 11:02am

Fantastic

That means you will someday get to listen to Sweet Baby James by James Taylor for the first time, something many of us will never get to do again. I'm extremely envious.

Niks | 5 November 2008 - 11:22am

I thoght the tracks on the free CD were lovingly picked by

The Word staff??

Since Jackson Browne was on last months CD.....I'm assuming that Fraser just hasn't got round to it yet?

"How Sweet It Is To Be Loved By You" and "Carolina In My Mind" are 2 of my very old James Taylor favourites.

bigsteviecook | 5 November 2008 - 11:55am

James Taylor

Start with Shower The People of the live album (forget what its called but its on eMusic). A lovely song.

Lee Rimmer | 5 November 2008 - 1:26pm

Jerry Garcia - isn't he an ice cream?

The Grateful Dead easily hold the title of "the biggest act of whose work I couldn't sing a single note". Nothing against them - I've got nothing to go on. I don't know how they've dodged me all this time.

Nick White | 5 November 2008 - 11:03am

"What a long strange trip it's been"

Go on... Watch this :-)


stimpy | 5 November 2008 - 11:12am

The Blue Nile's

the easiest to catch up on four lps 30-40 songs tops and they are worth hearing.
Can I add Kiss to the list how can a band be so big and I can't name for definite their biggest song even though they seemed to be on the back of every american comic I ever read in the 80's.

Chris G | 5 November 2008 - 11:13am

The Dead

It occured to me whilst listening to the Word podcast a couple of weeks ago when Mark Ellen was wondering what the Grateful Dead are doing now that I, too, have never knowingly listened to a single Grateful Dead track. I did listen to Dylan and the Dead once though - perhaps that's why I never decided to seek their music out any further.
What is their most approachable song?

Niks | 5 November 2008 - 11:26am

See the clip above...

Dylan And The Dead is universally agreed to be the single worst Dead album :-)

'Truckin' (as in the clip posted further up this thread) is probably the classic Dead song although 'Touch Of Grey' was a big US single toward the end of their career. They even made a video for it!


(I wonder what they're doing now...)

stimpy | 5 November 2008 - 11:42am

What a long strange blip it's been

I quite liked both the clips, Stimpy - thanks. What's the best (and hopefully representative) album to buy and, putting aside concerns about the limits of greatest hits CD's, what's the best compilation to get (under £20)?
Have we done a thread on this? I don't want to clog up this one.

I thought the phrase "What a long, strange trip it's been" had something to do with the Grateful Dead, though I've only really seen it on hippy t-shirts in places like Kathmandu.

Nick White | 5 November 2008 - 11:52am

Hmmmm...

The Dead were really a live act; even they admit that few studio albums did them justice. Consequently, there are comparatively few studio albums (about 13 over 30 years) and lots of live albums - many of which include tracks never released in studio versions.

I'd suggest American Beauty as a good studio album to start with. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Beauty_(album)

Europe '72 is a good live album (the Truckin' clip above was taken from the 72 tour I think) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe_%27'hit72

There is a hits album that covers the whole history of the band -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Very_Best_of_the_Grateful_Dead

stimpy | 5 November 2008 - 12:12pm

Er, one or two very minor ones

- Nirvana (I wouldn't recognise the allegedly famous "Teen Spirit" riff if it slapped me in the face)
- Blur, Suede or Pulp (but I can recognise one Oasis song, I think)
- Stone Roses
- Green Day
- The Darkness
- Radiohead
- Coldplay (except the one they ripped off from Joe Satriani)
- Franz Ferdinand and Arctic Monkeys (and 99.43% of all other indie)
- Manic Street Preachers (anything to do with 10,000 Maniacs, who I haven't heard either?)
- P.J. Harvey
- 50 Cent

Archie Valparaiso | 5 November 2008 - 11:46am

I'm green with envy

How wonderful it would be to be able to say I've never heard Radiohead or Coldplay.
You should checkout 10,000 Maniacs though Archie. There's plenty on Youtube.

Carl Parker | 5 November 2008 - 12:09pm

Jeez

Aren't you just a little bit curious?

Niks | 5 November 2008 - 12:11pm

Not really

It's amazing how much nicer life is without having to break out in a cold sweat at the mention of the name Razorlight. (No, I've never heard them either.) Ignorance truly is bliss.

Explanation: The Nirvana and other Nineties lacunae (they were the Nineties, weren't they?) are because living in Spain, pre-Internet, you didn't have to make a conscious effort at all never to hear a note of any of them. The more recent stuff is rather like not smoking: it's a conscious decision, but saying no is so much easier if you never start in the first place. The NME cover serves as my health warning.

Archie Valparaiso | 5 November 2008 - 1:00pm

Razorlight

Not heard a note - they even pulled out of a concert I went to in Munich because they were too big to be a supporting band

Martin Langkjaer | 5 November 2008 - 6:13pm

All I can say is well done!

Whether you're a fan or not, between them those acts have produced some of the most recognisable and widely-heard music of the last twenty years. So, you've never heard:

Smells Like Teen Spirit
Parklife
Common People
Creep
A Design for Life

Wow, I would have thought you have to work hard not to hear one of them!

Joe R | 5 November 2008 - 12:43pm

Nope

Seriously not a note. (Explanation of sorts in previous reply.)

Archie Valparaiso | 5 November 2008 - 12:53pm

You must live in rural spain on a hill

with a Olive tree (if so kudos) as been I've been mainly to cities I'm sure these bands have been around, we went to club a year or so ago and it was Uk in 1992 is was so Britpoptastic.
I can't believe you don't know Teenspirit it must have been played at gig or the footy etc even in spain.

Chris G | 5 November 2008 - 2:21pm

Quite possibly

But if I have, I don't remember. And based on it I certainly couldn't hear another track and say "that's Nirvana" (assuming they all sound pretty similar).

Archie Valparaiso | 5 November 2008 - 2:32pm

Yep

The original post was about not having "knowingly" heard a particular artist. I'm sure I've been in the same room while records by the artists I listed have been played, but never knowingly, and that's the point. Archie could hear Smells Like Teen Spirit drifting out of a doorway as he walks to the shops, but he'd be none the wiser.

Fraser Lewry | 5 November 2008 - 2:42pm

Crikey Moses!

If there is a pop quiz organised at The Word Christmas Subscriber Shindig I bagsy you are NOT on my team.

Mind you, I could not tell you the difference between The Four Tops and The Temptations. Soul & Motown just passed me by as I was more interested in The Sweet and Chicory Tip. Don't tell me you have never heard of them.

Beany | 5 November 2008 - 5:08pm

How can you have avoided...

The Four Tops and The Temptations for the last 35 years?? They're two of the most important acts in the history of popular music...

stimpy | 5 November 2008 - 6:41pm

Read my lips

If I heard a familiar tune I could not tell which group was playing it. I would know it was one of them...but not which one! So in a sudden death pop quiz question it would be 50/50 if I was right.

Mind you, if it was a high pitched singist I would know it was the Chi Lites. No sorry the O'Jays. Scrap that...it's the Stylistics. My brain hurts.

Beany | 5 November 2008 - 7:42pm

Blimey!

You are as remote one of those Japanese WW2 soldiers who have been in the bush for 50 years thinking the war was still on. I bet there are a whole load of people on here itching to do you a compilation CD, myself included.

kb | 5 November 2008 - 2:46pm

OK Archie, this will take 4 minutes

Listen to this and tell us what you think. it's Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana, I'm intruiged...


Niks | 5 November 2008 - 4:09pm

Good grief

Is that it? That's what all the fuss was about?

Riff: It sounds like an indie band with an over-inflated budget for guitarists, all of whom have new batteries in their overdrive pedals, but one half of whom think they're playing "Louie Louie" while the other half are convinced it's supposed to be "Sweet Jane". I mean, come on - I've heard more "legendary" riffs on Scorpions albums, for crying out loud.

Vocals: Michael Stipe after a few light ales on the verses, before they drag him off and shove James Hetfield in front of the mic for those hideous shouty bits (I heard Metallica for the first time last year) that I assume are the choruses. I couldn't make out a word either Stipe Jr. or Hetfield were saying. Something about "hello, hello, here we are now"?

Something nice to say: Hmm. The only positive thing that strikes me is the sound, which is a lot meatier than I'd always assumed.

Final verdict: A random rent-an-indie band with too much money to spend on production. A definite miss.

(How did I do?)

Archie Valparaiso | 5 November 2008 - 5:31pm

Well at least you tried

I think you may have missed the sheer joyful pop-rock rush when it first had which put a big dumb smile on my face for several days but each to his own. Also remember all the other "indie" bands you refered to nicked this off Nirvana and the Pixies.

Chris G | 5 November 2008 - 5:55pm

What other indie bands??

The Scorpions had been around for well over 10 years by the time Nirvana recorded this.

Metallica... indie??

stimpy | 5 November 2008 - 6:43pm

Indie Nirvana

When Nirvana came along they sounded like a fully-formed version of all the "indie" bands I'd been listening to for the previous few years: Big Dipper, Volcano Suns, The Pixies, Mission Of Burma, Husker Du, Dinosaur Jr, Squirrelbait, Firehose, etc etc blah blah blah.

Fraser Lewry | 5 November 2008 - 8:07pm

Indie

I'm curious Archie, what, to you, would a random rent-an-indie band actually sound like?

Bang Em In Bingham | 5 November 2008 - 8:05pm

Er...

Edgy and jangly?

Archie Valparaiso | 5 November 2008 - 8:06pm

interesting but ...

much of the appeal of Smells like Teen Spirit was generational, oddly enough ... it was released in '91 (according to Wikipedia) ... so anyone aged 12-25 when it came out (so born 1966-1979-ish) probably thought it was the wasp's nipples

sound of a generation etc etc (not mine though, me too old)

Glenbervie | 29 November 2008 - 7:07pm

Anyone who still has the joy of discovering

The Blue Nile and Sigur Ros to come should be envied. Start there.

Lee Rimmer | 5 November 2008 - 1:28pm

Won't listen to/don't listen to.....

I guess I am too slightly incredulous as to the folk who have never heard a whisper of some of the above, wondering if it is more akin to keeping alive a prejudice otherwise unproven. I could claim to know nothing of Radiohead, other than the cover versions of Creep I have accrued and the track I quite like off the first Warchild compilation. That is because I have told myself I wouldn't like them, and have thus studiously avoided any exposure. Easy, if you try hard enough. I have a slight fear I would find I liked them, which would be a bigger problem, as I still couldn't embrace the idea of liking them........
Big shout shared for the fabulous 10k Maniacs, esp in their Natalie Merchant days. Go for it, Arch. They are no more maniacal than are the Cowboy Junkies, um, cowboys.

Retropath2 | 5 November 2008 - 2:38pm

Never heard...

...Fatima Blushes but am familiar with the rest. I like about half of them; if I don't like them they are likely to have been an indie group heavily acclaimed in the NME over the past couple of years.

I've never heard anything by Sonic Youth, My Bloody Valentine, The Cocteau Twins, Pere Ubu or Gang Of Four.

As for bands listed above, The Grateful Dead are a band I sometimes like and sometimes don't. I like their instrumental side and some of the studio releases like 'American Beauty' (their most accessible album) and 'Blues For Allah' (my favourite of theirs, probably their jazziest release, I guess), but that good-time boogie schtick of theirs on concerts I've heard genuinely makes me lose the will to live.

Radiohead I recommend 'The Bends' and 'OK Computer', both of which I find excellent. The subsequent albums I have to be in the mood for; again, sometimes I like them and sometimes I don't.

And I imagine there are lots of people who have never heard a single song Kiss have done though are all too aware of their image- see also Motley Crue. Don't worry, you're not missing much with either band!

JJ | 5 November 2008 - 3:16pm

You really should give the Cocteaus a try

Whether you'll like them or not is a different matter (there are plenty of arguments for or against), but I would say there's no other band past or present who sound anything like them.

Joe R | 5 November 2008 - 4:44pm

Sigur Ros

Have nicked their entire schtick lock stock and barrel from the Cocteau's!

John Waite | 5 November 2008 - 7:22pm

Is it too late to say

that's complete bollocks?

There's no resemblance whatsoever.

Neil Jung | 11 November 2008 - 10:36pm

It's not just music...

There are lots of 'seminal' (yuck, I hate that much-bandied adjective) TV shows that I have never watched.

The two most prominent are:
- The Simpsons
- 24

It's not as if I don't know things about them, but I've never consciously sat down and watched an entire episode.

I've only recently started watching The Sopranos and The West Wing, as well.

robram | 5 November 2008 - 3:23pm

I'm pretty much the same...

...about all US TV drama - the Wire, Sopranos, 24, West Wing et al.

Can't be doing with 'em

stimpy | 5 November 2008 - 3:30pm

Ahh, but I have reasons...

It's the whole Sky One thing (and yes, I know that The Simpsons and Sky One started life on BBC2).

Only got Sky about 5 years ago, by which time it was too late.

With 24, I remember thinking at the time that watching 24 consecutive episodes was a tall order. This was in the days before Sky+, when videos were unbelieveably unreliable.

The Simpsons, I just didn't understand - Do The Bartman really turned me off, as well.

And I'm from the old-school of TV-watchers and hate getting into something part-way through. The first couple of series are by and large always the best.

robram | 5 November 2008 - 3:50pm

Blue Nile...

reminded me I always keep meaning to check them out as they are a band that crops up on the Word Blog every now and then. However, up to now never heard a note by them, couldn't tell you what they looked like or any of the band members names.

Retro Man | 5 November 2008 - 4:18pm

The beauty of YouTube

You can have it playing in the background while you read the entries. The Grateful Dead clip was an ear-opener. I have some of their records, god knows which century they were last played or what they sound like. Time to dig them out, life id too short not too...

Oh. This is Barclay James Harvest, performing to 175,000 people at the Berlin Wall, a band from the frozen north (actually the Pennine district of Lancashire)


Beany | 5 November 2008 - 5:18pm

Yardbirds

Cant believe Fraser has never knowingly heard the Yardbirds - For your love, Shapes of Things, Good morning little school girl were all extensively played on radio for years. You dont have a radio?
By the way 10,000 Maniacs In my Tribe is probably one of the most played albums in my collection - Whats the matter here, Verdi Cries and Gun Shy are truly masterful songs and Natalie Merchant has a voice to die for.

Steve Turner | 5 November 2008 - 5:45pm

Smiling, beguiling

Quick taster of the Yardbirds - "Evil Hearted You":

Nick White | 5 November 2008 - 6:53pm

Ah, yes

For Your Love: I'm familiar with that. And next time I hear it, I shall have knowingly heard the Yardbirds.

Fraser Lewry | 5 November 2008 - 10:38pm

I have heard

All of them with the exception of My Chemical Romance, Babyshambles, Girls Alound and the Gossip.

I purchased Elbow,after hearing the brilliant "Scattered Black and Whites" on an old Marc Radcliffe show. Blue Nile, I have loved them since "Tinseltown". Now here is a band that truly believes in quality control and they are the best thing on this list by a long chalk. The Dead, I own "Live Dead" because a mate told me I had to hear "Dark Star" after I played them "Marqueee Moon" I could not, for the life of me, make the same connection despite many plays. Sigor Ros, I simply love that song with "AAAh Hoooo" in it, it is a lovely slow burning electronic, shimmering diamond thingy of a song.

All of the rest I have probably heard on Radcliffe/Maconnie's Radio 2 shows or on dismal classic rock Fm Radio here in Canada ("Pearl Jam" etc.) and none tickled my ears, in fact some hurt quite a bit. I could not hold a conversation on any of this last lot because none of them made any lasting impression on me.

Anyway Archie, if you have truly managed to avoid the stuff on your list then you have done very well indeed and have hopefully spent that time enjoyably doing something more pleasurable. I would, however, recommend giving "Common People" by Pulp a good listen, great witty lyrics and a very neat pop song. But beware it could be just like smoking that one ciggerette after years of abstinence.

Bang Em In Bingham | 5 November 2008 - 8:41pm

Thanks for the kind messages and flowers

What happened was that for ten years or so after arriving in Spain in 1988, access to anything other than UK chart schlock was too much trouble, so I immersed myself in a retro soul phase instead. As a result, I may not have consciously heard Nirvana, but most of you (well, not you, Lucas) have probably never consciously heard Garnett Mimms, the Persuasions or Maurice & Mac, have you?

From the late Nineties onwards, as I lurched into my forties, I wanted to reconnect with Da Yoof - but definitely not a watered-down version of my own. So instead of listening to surly lads thrashing away on Fender Jaguars I opted for dance and electronica, which at least was music that was exploring areas that hadn't been trodden to dust over the previous 40 years.

Conclusion: Too much music, too little time.

Archie Valparaiso | 5 November 2008 - 9:05pm

Aah, Garnett Mimms

"Cry Baby".
I feel another list of the coolest names in pop coming.

David Hepworth | 5 November 2008 - 9:09pm

Maurice & Mac

Anyone who likes Sam & Dave should check out “You Left The Water Running” by Maurice & Mac. I presume its on youtube.

Richard Lowe | 5 November 2008 - 10:03pm

The Persuasions...

...are always a joy to listen to. Only the other weekend, I was watching their appearance on Joni Mitchell's 'Shadows And Light' film

Never heard of 'Maurice & Mac' though - off to find some now!

stimpy | 7 November 2008 - 8:56am

Fender Jaguars...

...and Mustangs are always a "keep away" sign for me.

Fender Esquires, on the other hand, say "You'll like this, Stimpy".

Telecasters are, to quote Keith Richards, "the big boys toy" and anyone who plays one can always be trusted

12-string Rickenbackers are usually a sign of quality but to be approached with caution.

stimpy | 7 November 2008 - 9:01am

and add

Howard Tate perhaps?

Bang Em In Bingham | 5 November 2008 - 9:13pm

I am at work at the moment

I am at work at the moment and cannot access the youtube clips but I really appreciate the posts.

I will have to have a strong Tizer before I bring myself to watch the Grateful Dead and BJH clips. Why? Because breaking a 42-year long duck requires careful thought and mental preparation.

There was a snooker player once who sometimes could not bring himself to actually make the shot. He would perform the whole ritual of looking around, bending over the table - lining up the cue. But he would not be able to do it. I have whatever syndrome that guy has/had*.

*Only on this occasion - I have no trouble with sexual intercourse, thanks for asking.

Austin | 5 November 2008 - 11:22pm

no, honestly

My children have been urging me to take my first listen to certain 'beat' combos such as [and I hope I am spelling their names correctly] the rolling stones, the beetles, lead zeppelin, the jim morrison door, jimmy heindreich, joy multiplication and the everley presleys. Unfortunately my gramophone packed in just after the D-Day landings and therefore I am unable to do so. However, may I recommend to your youthful section the delights of Vera Lynn, Arthur Askey, Flannagan and Allen and Comets On Fire. Toodle pip!

John from Hull | 6 November 2008 - 12:09am

Speaking of the Barclays..

..they were often accused of being a 'poor mans Moody Blues"..to which they penned this hilarious response.

shane pacey | 6 November 2008 - 1:28am

I love BJH

There. I've said it. But watching this film clip I realise now that it is more suitable late at night than first thing of a morn. Probably the best cure for insomniacs in the world.

Where's me lighter?

Beany | 6 November 2008 - 9:09am

The singer...

and the tune seem to have parted company, methinks.

Patrick Crowther | 11 November 2008 - 9:19pm

Never have

Television
My Bloody Valentine
Beth Orton
A full Grateful Dead song
Kanye West
Girls Aloud

On The Fence | 6 November 2008 - 10:18am

Grateful Dead

Well I just listened to Grateful Dead for the first time courtesy of the two clips posted above. For some reason I thought they'de be much louder and more psychedelic but for me it just veered between AOR radio rock and a poor man's CCR. Pleasant enough I guess but I'm not blown away.

Niks | 6 November 2008 - 10:33am

But at least you *know*...

...they don't do it for you now :-)

stimpy | 7 November 2008 - 8:43am

A friend

once tried to convince me of the Importance of The Grateful Dead. All I knew about them was that they played interminably long sets and had a huge and powerful PA system. He played me a couple of tracks, and I thought they sounded like any other plodding pub-rock band. But with a big PA system and no sense of when to stop playing. I could only assume that it was their association with their counterculture and hippy ideals that people were buying into, since the music seemed routine and pedestrian to say the least.

Paul Vincent | 7 November 2008 - 3:16pm

As with so many quality artists...

...you need to live with the Dead's music to appreciate much of it. It took me a lot of time and effort to really get into the Dead, as it did with Neil Young, Bob Dylan and Van but, as with (say) learning to appreciate single malt scotch, the effort expended is eventually repaid by the long term pleasure.

It's certainly nothing to do with any hippy ideals - after all, the Dead were regularly the highest-grossing touring band in the US and still have one of the most successful web stores; even 10 years after they split, they remain a huge money making machine :-)

stimpy | 7 November 2008 - 5:42pm

Another Dead Virgin

Can I add my name to the list of Dead virgins deflowered by this thread
Thanks

Dave P | 8 November 2008 - 12:22pm

Lights blue touch paper, stands well back...

... but I'm pretty sure I've never heard anything by Richard Thompson.
I know, I know, that's heresy in some parts but there you go, life goes on.
Excuse: Don't have headphones for the work computer and rarely get enough time to go on here at home (I know there are loads of clips floating around here).
Although having just splashed out for a new hard drive to boost the old itunes maybe I should check give him some space?

Oh, and I haven't seen The Wire either.

carlreader | 6 November 2008 - 12:50pm

Richard Thompson!

...only thing I heard by him was his cover of Hit Me One More Time. It's pretty good you know.

My problem has been hip hop. My total antipathy towards Westwood and my dislike of most of Radio 1 (plus the fact that I've moved town and am not in close touch with my hip hop loving friends) has meant I've never heard;
Kanye West
Jay Z
Lil Wayne
Notorious BIG
Usher
Among many others.

I'm not proud of this at all, especially because I do like some hip hop. I have always loved Public Enemy, De La Soul, NWA, Outkast etc. The bling brigade annoy the hell out of me though and I suspect I avoid them because life is too short to spend it irritated. The thing is I suspect I've missed a lot of good stuff.

If any of the word massive can recommend me a good selection of hip hop from the death of Tupak Shakur onwards, I'd be awfully grateful.

ganglesprocket | 6 November 2008 - 2:36pm

I wouldn't worry about

Lil Wayne or Notorious BIG, and Usher isn't hip hop, he's arrunnbee. But If you like proper hip hop then definitely check out Kanye West's first album and Jay Z's Black Album - especilly 99 Problems, it's a modern classic.

Niks | 6 November 2008 - 4:04pm

Thank you Niks!

... will get downloading pronto...

ganglesprocket | 6 November 2008 - 5:03pm

Ninja Tune

will see you right. There are far more inventive, diverse and oddball variants on the hip-hop theme than you might think. Emusic has lots of stuff from the Ninja Tune label, and is as good a place to explore as any.

Paul Vincent | 7 November 2008 - 3:25pm

Agreed

... and their Zen CD compilation is a fine place to start, I used it as a jumping-off point to other artists and albums.

I generally don't like hip-hop but I do like Massive Attack, RJD2 and DJ Shadow which, whilst not purely hip-hop, do use lots of the same elements.

matt_cochr | 8 November 2008 - 12:54pm

Mr Scruff's latest

...is quite delightful. His love of jazz seems to have almost entirely taken over.

Niks | 9 November 2008 - 4:53pm

Post-Tupac

Given the stuff that you do like, a couple of recommendations that leap to my mind most obviously would be the first self-titled Jurassic 5 album, and the "Black Star" collaboration between Mos Def and Talib Kweli.

sjp808 | 21 November 2008 - 12:39pm

I've reached 45

without ever having heard a note from My Bloody Valentine, Todd Rundgren or Laura Nyro. Have I missed much?

Mazzy | 6 November 2008 - 2:55pm

Yes, you have

As far as Laura Nyro is concerned you've missed a lot, but the excellent Stoned Soul Picnic compilation is a great place to start; some Todd Rundgren is excellent and some pretentious bollocks but it's years since I've heard anything by him so I hesitate to recommend anything.
I've never heard MBV either.

Carl Parker | 6 November 2008 - 3:18pm

Hot Toddy

I'm just back from seeing Todd at Manchester Academy and needless to say I saw the light. Bloody ears still ringing. I could have sworn at one point AC/DC had come on stage and I hadn't noticed the changeover.

Beany | 7 November 2008 - 12:07am

Todd...

...is a genius but, as with all musical geniuses (genii?) his work veers sharply between the sublime and unlistenable bollockry. Think of him as a white, rock, Prince and you'll get the idea.

'Something/Anything' is a good place to start. Avoid anything with the Utopia logo on it.

This is beautiful though... (It's 'A Dream Goes On Forever' from OGWT, for those who know)


stimpy | 7 November 2008 - 8:51am

Open My Eyes

A more recent version

Beany | 7 November 2008 - 10:29am

American lacunae

Although I love guitar music in general, I've never knowingly heard a note by:

Dinosaur Jr
Queens Of The Stone Age
Smashing Pumpkins
Metallica
Megadeth
Motley Crue
Soundgarden

And rap and hip hop are a closed book to me, so no:

Kanye West
50 Cent
NWA
Ice T
Ice Cube
Dr Dre
Wu-Tang Clan
Missy Elliott

Tim Turner | 6 November 2008 - 3:41pm

I bought 'I Just Can't Stop It' - first album by the Beat...

...when it came out. Never played it, still haven't almost 30 years later.

Bigsby | 6 November 2008 - 6:23pm

Do play it now, then.

It will have dated but it is still good.
Viz BJH, as a resident of West Mids these last 30 years, I still can't stomach the shared vocals of mockingbird, where one singer pronounces the silent g in the middle of the songs title, the other not. Ghastly.

Retropath2 | 6 November 2008 - 6:46pm

Oh, you HAVE to listen to it RIGHT NOW.

The Beat are the unsung heroes of 2Tone and their first album is fantastic - 'Mirror In The Bathroom', 'Best Friend', 'Stand Down Margaret', loads of old ska covers... It's one of my favourite albums and you really should give it a go.

Andrew Harrison | 8 November 2008 - 10:41am

Got to know the singles...

...clearly well brought up lads - after asking Margaret to Stand Down they add a polite 'Please'. Something that young protest singers would do well to remember.

Bigsby | 12 November 2008 - 10:42pm

Right, thank you - that's two off the list

Enjoyed both Grateful Dead clips - thanks. Made me think of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, who I have always had an affection for but not enough to actually buy their records. But much more tuneful than I thought, as I had the impression GD were permanently noodling drug-fuelled Jazz Odyssey merchants.

BJH was like watching ELO (is that Kelly Groucutt on guitar?, can't be bothered to look it up)- and there's nothing wrong with that. Overall, though I probably won't be poring through their back catalogue any time soon.

Frank Zappa always seemed interesting - but where to start?

Austin | 7 November 2008 - 9:35am

To be fair...

...the Dead usually *are* noodling, drug-fuelled Jazz Odessey merchants but I carefully selected those two clips :-)

stimpy | 7 November 2008 - 10:44am

Hot Rats

I'd end there too.

Retropath2 | 7 November 2008 - 10:27am

I don't want my MTV

Having seen who won last night's MTV Europe awards I'm proud to say that I've never heard a single note by Tokio (sic.) Hotel or 30 Seconds from Mars.

Sadly, I have heard stuff by Pink, Katy Perry & Britney Spears (I have a 12 year-old daughter).

That Macca bloke who won something or other looks interesting though. What bands has he been in...?

David Ellcock | 7 November 2008 - 1:44pm

Frank Zappa

I can probably name five of his albums and three of his children but have I heard a note? I think not. I presume it's quite widdly.

It's possible I'm doing my musical education alphabetically, I suppose.

botlblonds | 7 November 2008 - 7:27pm

Zappa widdly?

Not necessarily. He's done several formal orchestral albums, several 'pseudo-orchestral' Synclavier-only albums, several conventional pop/rock albums and several albums of full-on stunt guitar widdliness.

The problem with FZ is that he was *genuinely* eclectic and, depending on your musical leanings, there are many different albums that would be a good place to start.

Of all the artists we've discussed here, FZ is the one who composed and played in a real range of styles without falling victim to the 'dabbling rock star' syndrome

I'm going through concerted effort to get into FZ - with almost 70 official albums, the very variety of his work makes it hard work. Very rewarding when it does click but some his stuff takes a lot of effort. I *still* can't stand his voice though.

stimpy | 8 November 2008 - 1:08pm

I loved his voice!

Excellent though FZ's choice of featured vocalists was, the motherlode (geddit?) for me was those songs where he took the lead. It might have had something to do with my own very deep and limited-range voice. Around the mid-70s I did a reasonable impression of Frank's rendition of "Montana" frmo "Overnite Sensation".

Paul Vincent | 9 November 2008 - 12:22am

I've got a raging cold and sore throat...

...and have just done a convincing FZ impression on 'Montana' :-)

stimpy | 9 November 2008 - 1:13pm

And Elsewhere

Most of what I know about Frank Zappa is:

a recommendation from a very good mastering engineer;
a group who I briefly worked on a live recording for who primarily played 17-18th century Scottish music on violins, cello and harpsicord but who also covered "Echidna's Arf (Of You)";
that song about not eating yellow snow.

I think I've had the The Best of Frank Zappa on my Amazon wishlist for about 4 years now - I must get around to buying it.

matt_cochr | 12 November 2008 - 11:55am

Zappa's children

Any opportunity to list the names of the Zappa offspring should be taken:

Moon Unit Zappa
Dweezil Zappa
Ahmet Emuukha Rodan Zappa
Diva Thin Muffin Pigeen Zappa

stimpy | 8 November 2008 - 1:12pm

That last one

was the one that slipped my mind. Hard to see how though.

botlblonds | 8 November 2008 - 7:55pm

Smells Like Teen Spirit

Although I have plainly been oblivious to lots of really good music over the years, I heard SLTS in a shop yesterday and felt the need to linger awhile in order to hear it all. Never bought it at the time but it is plainly a very good song. Young people (less than 20 years old) were mumbling and gurning away in recognition, which must be a good sign of a (sorry for the cliche) timeless classic.

Is there anything by the acts mentioned above that come anywhere near SLTS? If not, then maybe I haven't missed much.

Austin | 9 November 2008 - 7:47pm

I've never heard any Uriah

I've never heard any Uriah Heep, Ultimate Spinach or Scroobius Pip.

Andy Lynes | 10 November 2008 - 2:36pm
Retropath2 | 10 November 2008 - 2:42pm

I see, so Uriah Heep played

I see, so Uriah Heep played Boyzone to Deep Purple's Take That. I wish I was still blissfully ignorant.

Andy Lynes | 10 November 2008 - 4:04pm

What a well considered comparison!

Seems reasonably sound, too. I'm itching to consider who were Blue or, stateside, New Kids on the Block....

Retropath2 | 10 November 2008 - 4:29pm

Budgie were Blue

Never quite as big as the other two

stimpy | 10 November 2008 - 7:11pm

For Frank Zappa...

...I started with "Broadway the Hardway", and was surprised at how funny it was, in a rather scabrous way. From there I moved to "We're only in it for the money" which I love. Since then, nothing though.

I haven't heard any Janis Ian, Iron Butterfly, Elbow, Razorlight, Opera, Miles Davis, in fact any Jazz, most all Rap and Hip-Hop, Little Feat, Blind Faith, Slayer, Husker Du, probably most Bluesmen and ladies, Billie Holliday, a ton of Soul Singers, MegaDeth, the list goes on. I don't wallow in the mud pools of my ignorance, though - I plead too little time, a very short list of music that is acceptable to be played in front of the wife, and lack of time for music that doesn't immediately enthuse at least the smallest spark.

I also don't own a radio, or watch music TV. If I'd have heard of "Paul Simon" I could be the boy in the bubble.

..."Hi Ho Silver Lining" is probably the song that I've read about most without actually hearing.

nicktf | 10 November 2008 - 11:57pm

No apologies.............



(No, I don't know why it says Best of the Honeycombs either......, was it the same drummer?. Oh, I see, it's a fab collage of groovers and hipsters of the day.)

Retropath2 | 11 November 2008 - 8:03am

Hmm...

...Sounds like Wizzard. Thanks for the link!

nicktf | 11 November 2008 - 4:48pm

The

Who

("My Generation" excluded, though I wouldn't know a cover version from the original)

Tiger Tiger | 12 November 2008 - 2:05am

Where are the pedants?

Can't believe that the Massive haven't dredged back into their collective middle class school years to pick up Austin on his Latin! Surely aney fule no that the plural of 'ignoramus' has to be 'ignorami'.

Stay behind after class, see me, etc, etc, etc.

Producer Matt | 28 November 2008 - 6:09pm

Thickos Parade?

But then there's apostrophe placement trauma and possible contravention of Quayle's Law re a missing "e".

There are no easy answers - but I prefer to hide behind that this is a thread about ignorance, and therefore there is a certain logic to having a (possible) error in the title.

Therefore, I have an opportunity to make out it's intentional to appear clever. However, what I thought was that using the word "ignorami" looked odd in the same way that saying "die" is odd when talking about one dice. Everyone says "dice".
Like no-one says "an" hotel. That kind of thing.

Austin | 29 November 2008 - 8:44pm