An increasingly irritating rock cliche

In my current obsession with southern soul, I'm coming across a phrase that increasingly annoys me the more I hear it. Dan Penn, The Box Tops, Eddie Hinton, Dusty Springfield and Donnie Fritts and the like are always placed firmly in the category "Blue Eyed Soul". Apart from being an irritating, limiting category, it seems to harbour a slightly racially dubious assertion that white people don't 'do' soul, but if they do, they get their own pigeonhole.

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewMix?id=77021040&s=...

they are all at it...

I am going to assume this is one of those media fuelled "spats"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/music/newsid_7342000/7342154.stm

Riccardo Gargiulo | 14 April 2008 - 10:17am

Yep

There you go. I knew I'd read it somewhere else over the weekend.

Lucas Hare | 14 April 2008 - 10:33am

Can Blue Men Sing The Whites?

The Great Bonzos Conjecture gains new ground every day.

Archie Valparaiso | 14 April 2008 - 10:42am

you just couldnt let a thread go by

without mentioning the mighty Bonzos could you?
Speaking of which, will you be at their London show in June?

Riccardo Gargiulo | 14 April 2008 - 11:15am

Logistics issues

I would, but catching the last tube home to Cadiz might be a bit tricky.

Archie Valparaiso | 14 April 2008 - 11:19am

look at the list!

Had to have a look. Not sure how my iTunes is set up but it said not available in the US store, switch to UK. So I did. What an amazing mixture - makes the discussions on here about genres and organising your music collection seem redundant.

Spandau Ballet, Simply Red, John Fred and the Playboy Band ... wow!

adze thuggery | 14 April 2008 - 10:55am

Don't really see what's wrong with the term

It's just a way of describing white people singing in a style normally associated with black people. Can't see why it's offensive or "limiting".

Richard Lowe | 14 April 2008 - 10:57am

Agreed...

I don't see any problem with it at all.

Patrick Crowther | 14 April 2008 - 12:40pm

Those Blackface Blue Eyed Boys...

Work that one out, then.

Paul | 14 April 2008 - 12:54pm

Well

The term itself is only half my problem. The other half is its ubiquity.

Lucas Hare | 14 April 2008 - 11:03am

Agree with Richard

Richard Lowe totally agree. For me the problem comes when people say it's not "Real Soul".
Anyone else hear that fantastic Dean Parrish doc on Radio 2 ? Can't tell me that's not Soul.
Some of the Greatest Northern Soul Classics are Blue-Eyed.
Here's a couple



paul beard | 14 April 2008 - 11:09am

origin

Where was it first coined it's not like "southern Gospel" which I only found out from BBC4 doc last month is the euphemism laden term for whites only gospel music. Isn't it just away foe US record shops and radio stations to complete their pointless mission to divide all music into tiny tiny catagories based largely on racial demographics. I wouldn't let it worry you

Chris G | 14 April 2008 - 11:13am

Oh well

I won't let it get to me then. If I post this, I'll feel better:

Lucas Hare | 14 April 2008 - 11:30am

Arrrrunbeeee

There also seems to be a propensity for any black pop singers to be bracketed as a RnB even if they are just singing the same chart freindly pop stuff as all their white contemporaries. Lemar for instance is surely just pure pop, but he often gets called an RnB singer because he's black. I've also heard Leona Lewis described as RnB.

Niks | 14 April 2008 - 12:20pm

And

Don't even start on 'urban'.

Lucas Hare | 14 April 2008 - 12:24pm

Is Roots the same as.....

Black folk? I suspect not entirely, but the same tar brush of euphemism seems to be afoot.

Retropath2 | 14 April 2008 - 12:43pm

Cerebral

My most hated one at present is "cerebral". Totally over-used in reviews at the moment. A journalist's shorthand for "it's clever...and so am I!"

kidpresentable | 17 April 2008 - 12:30am