In search of the Dumbest Things In Entertainment

Help me with my list of the 50 dumbest things in modern entertainment.

I don't want personal objections to certain individuals or performers. I don't like Oasis but that's just my not very interesting opinion and so I wouldn't put them on my list. What I'm looking for are features, clichés and modes of behaviour that have proliferated to the point where they're a major annoyance. The kind of things that, whether tiny or huge, make you want to act like Peter Finch on "Network", stick your head out of the window and scream "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore."
It was my idea so I'll start.
* Anti-piracy infomercials on DVDs - the kind you can't whizz past
* "Skits" on hip hop records
* Indie CD covers you can't decipher
* Time-consuming Flash intros on web sites
* Movie posters that are nothing but star ratings
* Books packaged to look like the previous best-seller by somebody else
* Movies that are "from the producers of"
* Items on Radio Four about Facebook, iTunes or anything remotely webby
* Sexed-up TV adaptations of classic novels
* Records that are mastered so loud they make you feel that somebody has just fed you an over-sized ready meal with extra mayonnaise
* Those security tags on CDs that mean you can't get in the damned thing without cutting yourself

The floor's yours...

Scientific studies that

Scientific studies that prove make up is XX times better..."Volumised lashes" my arse..

In small print "Based on 99 people".

If I based any survey on 99 people I would be shot down in flames.

I've just realised this was meant to be about entertainment...

Well, you see them on TV, and that's supposed to be entertaining

Mat Riches | 2 October 2008 - 2:31pm

Presently...

* Robert Peston, BBC Business Editor. He loves the misery. He loves the sound of his own voice; I hate the sound of his voice. And the fact that he is always introduced as "the man who broke the Northern Rock story" even 12 months on.

* "Funny" emails from listeners on 5Live. Bloody Hell.

* Traffic reporters on the radio given a bigger part. Sally bloody traffic.

* Jools Holland joining in with anyone.

* The angled head and pursed lips of Deborah Meedon after she has said "...and that's why I'm not going to invest. I'm out."

kb | 2 October 2008 - 2:34pm

"Hidden" tracks

Seriously, what is the point of these? If they're any good, please include them with the rest of the album. If they're not, don't bother, I don't want to listen to it.

Plus, they're hardly well-hidden are they. If the last track is twenty minutes long but after three and a half you can hear your own watch ticking then you know what's coming in a mere thirteen minutes time. They're even more annoying now in this age of ripping tracks and mp3 players.

By the way, you're not 'crowdsourcing' for the best and worst lists in the mag are you, Mr H?!

Joe R | 2 October 2008 - 2:43pm

Good.

I am indeed "crowdsourcing". Nobody has a monopoly of grumpiness.

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:03pm

An infomercial.....

I interrupt these diatribes to draw attention to a lovely song by Rodney Crowell from his latest, Sex and Gasoline. It's called Closer to Heaven, no relation to Bobby Ds same named. It lists his pet grievances, as per, perhaps this post, before moving on to list his loves. Lovely, lovely song. Go hear.
Best hate: tasselled shoes. (By golly, he's right!) Best love: Sissy Spacek.
Christ, I really warm to the guy, forgiving him for the fairly dire Cambridge performance, at least on telly, of last year. Men of his build and age the black T shirt look do not suit. Or maybe its his face. Should have gone for the black suit and shirt conbo, like his erstwhile pa-in-law.
P.S. I have interrupted rather than gone to the end of the queue cos I get so sick with 2 and 3 page blogs, cos you can never find the new ones after the first page. And I know Fraser can't mend that, so my spit isn't on his specs.

Retropath2 | 24 October 2008 - 8:59am

Maybe we should restart all threads as a new blog after post 100

I don't think it would be a hardship to split a large blog into Parts 2, 3 and 4 if need be.

LOUDspeaker | 28 October 2008 - 10:53am

Maybe

Each thread could have its own RSS feed, which you could then subscribe to in an RSS-aggregator. That would mean you'd never miss a new post to that thread, and wouldn't need to wade through all the old posts to get to it. Any of this feasible, Fraser?

Paul Vincent | 28 October 2008 - 11:52am

RSS

Each new thread does have its own RSS feed. The feed for this particular thread is here: http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/crss/node/4775 - if your browser has RSS auto-discovery, you should be able to subscribe in a couple of clicks.

Fraser Lewry | 28 October 2008 - 11:58am

Great!

That worked a treat - thanks, Fraser. Now, how do I do it for ANY thread, without you having to post the specific URL? I can't see any likely icons or links.

Paul Vincent | 28 October 2008 - 12:48pm

Depends...

What browser do you use?

Fraser Lewry | 28 October 2008 - 12:51pm

Firefox 3.0

...um, nothing else to see here. It's all in the heading. Move along now...

Paul Vincent | 28 October 2008 - 2:25pm

In that case...

You should be able to subscribe very easily. There should be an icon like this one in the address bar (the one on the left) of any page with an RSS feed - click on it, and away you go.

RSS

Fraser Lewry | 28 October 2008 - 5:28pm

Hey,

I'd not thought of trying that. And whaddaya know, it just works. Beautifully - just adds it to my Bloglines blogroll. Thanks, fraser.

Paul Vincent | 29 October 2008 - 1:09am

The word 'celebrity' being bandied about

I'm not railing against the 'cult' of celebrity (or rather, I could, but that's not what DH is asking about) but just the use of the word where previously it would have jarred; now it appears wholly acceptable anywhere.

As I understood the word, a person is either a Celebrity or they're not, and the word stands alone, not needing qualification, or to qualify another word.

Paul McCartney is not a 'Celebrity Pop Star', nor Jeremy Clarkson a 'Celebrity Television presenter'. Both could also be called Celebrities.

But would somebody Explain to me the notion of the 'Celebrity Chef'.

The other thing...there was an advertisement on some time ago for a cosmetic product of some ilk, and the lady fronting the advertisement was, if I recall, described as the 'Celebrity Beauty Editor' for a certain magazine. But she wasn't famous, so it dawned on me that actually it was her job to collate the assorted pictures of, I dunno, Jade Goody and the like.

To further compound matters, during that same ad, mention was made of this product being reasonably costed, except that wasn't the turn of phrase used. What was said was something along the lines of

"For something this good, you'd expect to pay Celebrity prices..."

CELEBRITY PRICES?!?!?

What in the name of Jesus is a "Celebrity Price"? And the first smart-alec to mention Jordan...I'll find you and kill you in your sleep.

Here...


ivan | 2 October 2008 - 2:42pm

Celebrity Price

50 Cent?

Joe R | 2 October 2008 - 2:45pm

you'd better move house too

sunshine!!!

ivan | 2 October 2008 - 2:46pm

Count yourself lucky

I was going to write Gok Wan Pound Ten!

Joe R | 2 October 2008 - 2:50pm

Chris Moyles George Lamb Fat

Chris Moyles

George Lamb

Fat lazy people who eat bad getting TV funded makeover

Dirty lazy people who don't clean getting TV funded deep clean

The sneaky way Channel 4 have added an extra set of adverts into an hour

Stickers on books, cd's etc. that won't come off

That stuff on the free CD that rips the cover of The Word

Magazines that have four different collectors covers. I'll collect my four over a period of four months thanks very much

Sky TV guide not saying if the programme is a repeat or not on the main channels (I realise everything else is a repeat)

Q magazine (that's by way of an apology for my earlier post)

Foreign films with dubbed soundtracks (I can read subtitles)

Any competition to find someone for a crap musical

ITV comedy

Best 100 type programmes

Jools Holland if he is talking

I could go on.

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 2:44pm

I second the collectors covers

My cycling magazine did it this month, which annoyed me because a) the must must think we're stupid and b) they sent me the Chris Hoy one rather than Victoria Pendleton ((mmmmm)).

Simon Moffatt | 3 October 2008 - 9:21am

Empire magazine...

...had one hundred collectable covers this month. One hundred. There is nothing right about this.

Gav Leonard | 6 October 2008 - 9:45am

CD packaging

Here in the US they have those sticky cellophane strips running along the top of the CD case that are impossible to remove in one piece. There is a little sign saying "pull here". You pull and a one millilmetre piece of plastic comes away in your fingers. I have yet to remove one in its entirety. Even when removed they leave behind a sticky residue that requires the attention of a scouring pad and washing up liquid. Cleaning scratches the case, leaving you in no mood for the music within. It's a frustrating shambles.

Martin | 2 October 2008 - 2:46pm
Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 2:48pm

I think it would add to the appeal...

... if the CD came with a little tube of that stuff attached to the case. Then the challenge would be how to remove the tube of sticky stuff remover.

Martin | 2 October 2008 - 2:56pm

or they could put a sticker

on the surface of the CD case but under the cellophane telling you how to remove the cellophane easily.

FOOLPROOF i tells ya.

oh wait...

ivan | 2 October 2008 - 2:58pm

Any item ...

... that takes more than a minute or so to get into rapidly turns from appealing to frustrating. It's amazing to me that record companies still haven't worked this out. Those cardboard gatefolds are much more appealing. Now, if only they could make them bigger ...

Martin | 2 October 2008 - 3:04pm

can we had a thread about great things in

modern life: so we can fuller exploration of the joys of Lakeland plastic I'm not being arch hear. LP are excellent they seem to spend all day solving problems I never knew I had and they are alwasy microwave and dishwasher safe!

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 3:05pm

Go on do it

but it will be shorter than this one

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 3:12pm

Removing that adhesive seal...

...on top of CD cases is a snap, if you know the trick. I can't claim credit, a friend at work showed me the technique.

Start with the CD in your hand, the fron cover facing towards you and held the right way up. Tilt the case so that you are looking at the hinge on the bottom left hand side. Applying gentle pressure, pull on the front cover where it pins into the spine until the front cover separates from the back half. The two halves of the case should now be connected only by the adhesive seal. Again treading carefully, hold one half of the case and pull it away from the other half at a slight angle, slowly, until the seal lifts and peels away from the plastic of the case. Repeat this to remove the seal from the other half of the case, then replace the front cover.

I hope that makes sense!

JoelTurner | 7 October 2008 - 8:40am

It's not a triumph of design though is it

that you have to dismantle the case in order to get the seal off. Glad my car doesn't work like that each morning.

Lee Rimmer | 7 October 2008 - 9:17am

Gotta love Lakeland...

That sticky stuff remover is great isn't it? I love that shop...

ageing hipster | 2 October 2008 - 5:17pm

Celebrity schlebrity

Somehow, I've managed to get through almost 40 years of life without having to worry about "pentapeptides", whatever they are, so I don't need endless adverts featuring "celebrity beauty editors" rammed down my throat.

On a similar ranting topic, is it possible to ban Heat and any other mag that does nothing but focus on women's body shapes: This week, Women So Fat They Shouldn't Be Allowed On A Beach Unless Greenpeace Are Around To Put Them Back Into The Sea; next week, The Stars Who're So Slim We're Going To Put Them On The Cover And Make Them Even More Self-Conscious And Turn Even More Teenage Girls Into Body-Obsessed Anorexics.

There is also a place on the same plane of Hell reserved for those who think we're interested in Jade: My Struggle; Jordan: My Marriage Misery/Joy/Apathy/Whatever Line Will Sell This Week; Posh'n'Becks: We're In Love/We Hate Each Other, etc.

Phew! Glad I got that out of my system. It's time for my medication.

MrLovegrove | 2 October 2008 - 2:51pm

TV Trailers

...for the programme that follows, which will be starting in 30 seconds or so, anyway.

...for the next episode of the programme you've just watched, thus providing instant unwelcome spoilers.

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 2:53pm

Very good.

They're terrified your memory is as short as theirs.

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:03pm

They should

be even more terrified that you'll buy the DVD box instead and watch it free of the irritants their station provides.

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 3:06pm

can we add

the 90 second news slots the bbc have on the tv especially bbc3 were they stop a perfectly good film to tell us Jordans bought a horse.

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 3:07pm

God yes!

News for people who don't like news, presented by some goon who talks as if they're on drugs.

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:10pm

That's no way to talk. . .

about the late, great Reginald Bosanquet.

Archie Valparaiso | 2 October 2008 - 3:45pm

What? Jordan's bought a horse?

Really? Wooooooooow. Unbelievable.

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 4:52pm

Yeah!

It was also a 6-part series on ITV3, followed by a book-signing tour and a spread in Heat magazine.

Beany | 2 October 2008 - 4:54pm

jordan

"doing a spread" always makes me worried

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 4:59pm

Riding the horse...

... worried me!

Nicodemus | 12 October 2008 - 5:37am

FX channel

Watching series 2 of Dexter on the FX channel was tough going because I watch NCIS before it. Endless Dexter adverts with lovely spoilers are put in every ad break.

LOUDspeaker | 2 October 2008 - 4:01pm

Movies that are "from the producers of"

Naked Gun 2 and a half's poster read "From the brother of the director of Ghost". Which it was.

LOUDspeaker | 2 October 2008 - 2:54pm

Annie Who?

Woody Allen's recent film was released with the posters proclaiming that it was "by the director of 'Match Point'". That's like advertising the new Paul McCartney album as coming from the creator of "Pipes of Peace".

Nick White | 2 October 2008 - 9:37pm

Annie Hall is thirty years old

Sorry, Nick, but the people who remember Annie Hall don't go to the movies anymore. Match Point was Woody's last very good movie and therefore a valid draw device.

Bo Doogley | 5 October 2008 - 5:55am

Distant stardust memories

Bo, I accept that "Annie Hall" was way too long ago for advertisers - especially as "the youth" seem to be the only demographic advertisers are interested in anymore. (Having said that, isn't everyone watching DVD's nowadays? Maybe young people are more familiar with the old stuff than advertisers might think?)
Anyway, I just pointed to it as the saddest indication of Allen's decline. "Match Point" might be viewed as "very good" amongst his current output, but compared to the early stuff, or even "Bullets over Broadway" (a mere 14 years ago), it's not something that shines out from his CV.

Nick White | 5 October 2008 - 9:40am

The ... long ....

...

...

... pause before announcing the next person to be booted off, or the winner of, pretty much any reality show contest.

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 2:57pm

Seconded

I was scrolling down and thought no-one has put ".... the pause" but there it is.

I hate stickers on books that read "Richard & Judy's Bookclub" only it's not a sticker, it's printed as part of the cover design.

Warnings before programmes: This programme contains violence / bad language / nudity etc.

Carl Parker | 2 October 2008 - 3:07pm

Thirded

Also, the increasingly common "and the winner is............
.................you'll find out right after this break"

Simon Ford | 3 October 2008 - 8:34am

Fourth-ed

I wonder how much of our lives are taken up by these pauses.
It's a fake way of building tension - and now they're so long, you find you start shouting "Come on, then..." just as the winner is announced, drowning it out.

milkybarnick | 23 October 2008 - 1:29pm

"If you need to discuss the issues..."

"...raised in this programme, phone this number in confidence."

You've just watched a TV drama about a mildly disturbing subject. Get over it.

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 3:00pm

Perfect.

I want to do a trail for the podcast that's like that. "If you'd like to discuss any of the issues raised in the podcast, go to the Word website..."

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:04pm

Do it

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 3:13pm

Need someone with gravitas...

...Simon Bates?

Kernow | 3 October 2008 - 1:35pm

Just realised

I could be a counsellor. You have to do it now.

Lee Rimmer | 3 October 2008 - 4:35pm

Customer Care Lines

on the sides of uncomplicated Consumer Products

"Hello, is that the Coca Cola Customer Line?"

"Why Yes it is..."

"Right, i've got the can, i've opened it, what do i do now..."

ivan | 2 October 2008 - 3:02pm

Get to it, ivan!

And report back to us what happened...

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 3:08pm

More trailers

...for the second half of the 30-minute programme you're watching, just before the commercial break. Closely followed, after the break, by a recap of what happened in the first half, and a preview of what's going to happen in the rest of the second half. And of course, the program starts by previewing highlights of itself, too, so by the time the program ends, you're in a kind of haunted, deja-vu limbo of inconsequential snippets you've heard often enough (in the space of 30 minutes) to recite by heart.

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 3:04pm

egg-bloody-zactly

and on the same theme, doing the same thing but stretching a programme that would barely fill 30 minutes into an hour long slot. Kim and Susannah, Trinny and Aggie etc etc.

badartdog | 3 October 2008 - 8:24am

And another thing

"Prequels". They never work.

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:06pm

I tried

to think of a counter-example but failed. I think you're right - but why? Is it perhaps because they have no dramatic tension, since you know already how things turned out, having seen the film / read the book to which this is the prequel?

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 3:11pm

Godfather 2

perhaps?

ivan | 2 October 2008 - 3:13pm

Godfather Part II

Prequel and sequel???

John Waite | 2 October 2008 - 3:23pm

Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me

One of David Lynch's darkest and most underrated films.

Lucas Hare | 3 October 2008 - 8:29am

Oh bloody hell...

you've opened a can of worms now.

One of my pet peeves. So-called newspapers that peddle filth but call it "news". I don't give a damn what Paris, Britney, Nicole, Lindsey, Madonna or bloody Pamela Anderson are doing to or with each other, IT'S NOT NEWS!

And don't get me started on Pete Doherty & Amy Winehouse. Drugs are illegal and kill people. If that's what you want to do jump off Beachy Head.

Greatest Hits Collections at full price when the previous identical Collection is in the bargain bin around the corner.

Non-entity "autobiographies" - see Chantelle, Jade Goody, etc.

Beany | 2 October 2008 - 3:08pm

On the subject of newspapers...

I'm not sure they classify as entertainment, but certain tabloids (no names obviously) have pages of young women in various states of undress, often with the emphasis on their youth (variation of schoolgirl uniform, sucking lollipops etc.) only to have on the next page an article about their relentless campaign against paedophiles and the like. (Obviously I've no complaint with their paedophile campaign, it's the hypocrisy that riles me)

Joe R | 2 October 2008 - 3:14pm

"Nonentity autobiographies"?

We're straying into snobbery here. Why should a "nonentity" who has achieved fame on a reality show be barred from writing, or having ghost-written, their story? I wouldn't buy Chantelle's book, but some people would. This is not supposed to be a list of "approved" and "unapproved" products, is it? There may be a cancer at the heart of our capitalist society which drives this often destructive desire to achieve fame (ie. money) without working hard for years, but to knock those that do achieve it simply because - oh dear - they didn't "earn" it, or that they did it on a programme on television you don't like, is to make a value judgement based on some kind of distinction you've already subconsciously made about what's culturally acceptable, and what's not. Isn't it?

Andrew_Collins | 6 October 2008 - 8:40am

It's all about

saving trees.

I work in the second oldest profession as a beancounter. If it's snobbery to turn against those who profess to be accountants without the necessary qualification then snob am I. I prefer to call it protecting my profession. Much more important in the medical profession but obviously much less so in the trade of writing.

I don't expect the likes of Chantelle to sit an examination before submitting an autobiography but I can offer an opinion of what I see as a pointless exercise given the source of her "celebrity status". However, stamp hypocrite on my passport and call the bad taste police; if she had recorded a really naff single (see Sausages dog) I would have been the first to want the darned piece of exotica.

Strange world innit?

Beany | 6 October 2008 - 9:42am

Snobbery

is too glib a description. I think that these famous people who have done or achieved little in their life who then write a book about it are setting themselves up for people having a poor opinion of their work. Same as when a famous musician goes off and bangs out a poorly considered work (Metal Machine Music for example). Its valid to not like it. Its valid to not like the idea of it. But its not snobbery to not like something you don't like.

Lee Rimmer | 6 October 2008 - 1:28pm

here's the thing...or my take on it

You're basing your definition of snobbery thus 'it's not snobbery to not like something you don't like' and I agree totally, but it *might* be snobbery to have formed the notion you don't like merely on the basis of who the purveyor of the 'artform' is in the first instance. It's why I tire of certain usual suspects here moaning about the new Oasis album without having heard it and reckoning it'll be more of the same.

It might well be. Or it might be more mind-blowing than Revolver. I've a feeling in my waters that it won't be anything such, but i'll reserve judgement on it until I hear it, on the assumption that I choose to hear it.

Accordingly, one is entitled to hate Metal Machine Music if one has heard it. One is merely entitled to think it's a stupid idea that one has no wish to hear if one has NOT heard it.

I've not read Chanelles autobiography and have no desire to do so. I'm not bothered by its existance, but (to bring this back to pet peeves) what annoys me is the mindset out there, among the general public and the book publishers is that there's a demand for this. Now, in a sense, publishers should be canny folk and they wouldn't be foisting such a meisterwerk upon the populace unless they believed there was something approximating to demand for it.

It's the fact that there probably *is* a demand for it out there that pisses me right off!

If that's snobbery, then chalk me down as one...

ivan | 6 October 2008 - 2:09pm

Two things

1) There's definately a demand: Kate Price/Jordan's biographies have sold in the multi-millions.

2) I likeMetal Machine Music (not all the time, I hasten to add - I have to be in the right mood).

Fraser Lewry | 6 October 2008 - 2:21pm

I agree (I think)

My point was that if you don't like something or don't like the idea of something,you are perfectly entitled to have those views without it necessarily being snobbery. The idea that it would be snobbery was, I thought, was a an example of inverted snobbery.

Lee Rimmer | 6 October 2008 - 2:30pm

Snobbery

My original charge of "snobbery" would only be borne of "inverted snobbery" if I thought that Chantelle's book had intrinsic worth because it is not by Marcel Proust. My personal opinion of her book is irrelevant. I haven't even read it. As I understand it, snobbery is based not upon personal opinion, but upon the preconception that, say, some books are worthwhile, but others are not, depending on the stature/celebrity/literary CV of the author.

Andrew_Collins | 7 October 2008 - 10:34am

Snobbery is often based upon

Snobbery is often based upon a personal opinion. My point was just that snobbery (or inverted snobbery) suggests a preconception based upon status, social standing or intellectual quality of the book when I haven't read Chantelle's book because I don't think there is enough interesting stuff in there to warrant the investment of my (precious) time.

Lee Rimmer | 7 October 2008 - 11:58am

Perhaps

we are being unfair to the poor girl.

What was the review like in The Word? Any stars?

Beany | 7 October 2008 - 12:07pm

TV Docs that purport to care

but really its just wallowing in someone elses misery. And then hearing them say (yes you Ross Kemp) that we have a 'rule to not interfere'. What's sticking a camera in peoples face and getting locals to show you round drug holes and gang war zones if not interference.

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 3:17pm

Sleb magazines

that fill up entire pages with brain-fuckingly inane space filler in which it is revealed that people off the telly buy food in shops, walk their dogs or breath air.

Fraser M | 2 October 2008 - 3:20pm

american tv programmes

that start and then have the titles then stop for the ads, then stop for more ads. No wonder the writings so good each epsidoes only five minutes long!
1. can i add.
car ads showing cars not stuck in jams.
the one show.
2. Music festival highlight programmes where they don't show the band playing to the crowd but have special acoustic sessions on some bales of hay.
3. The hyperbole that could announce Bolton versus Norwich as a midweek clash.
4. the use of "rennaisance" man for any actor who also writes plays and can walk and chew gum.
5. the extension of the Holby city/casualtiy brand waht next holby vets, holby plasterers.
6. the making of films take onto the end of bluie planet etc to hide the fact that to get them made 7. the bbc had to cut them to 45 mins to show in american and si left with 15 minute gap in scheduels see also Dr who and the set wales with the bloke from the musicals.
9. cookery programmes where they cook wearing sports jackets.

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 3:20pm

Hey!

I'm from Bolton.

...you have a point

Beany | 2 October 2008 - 3:23pm

I actually like the idea of Holby Plasterers...

Would be a massive saleable asset to BBC Worldwide in Poland.

John Waite | 2 October 2008 - 3:25pm

Any cable channel

called Dave

Beany | 2 October 2008 - 3:20pm

Dave

Ever watched this channel? It's got some good repeats on it. If it wasn't called "Dave" you would never have noticed it. Ergo: job done.

Andrew_Collins | 6 October 2008 - 8:42am

I love Dave

But then I would...

David Hepworth | 7 October 2008 - 10:21am

DVD Menus

that are so clever/complicated you haven't the slightest smigeon of a Danny which item is currently highlighted.

Fraser M | 2 October 2008 - 3:24pm

Oh yes!

I *hate* that.

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:29pm

And add DVD Eggs to that

What is the point?

Springer Bell | 2 October 2008 - 3:55pm

Animation

I hate menus with long animations. I just want to select Play. But no, I've got to sit through a pointless animation. Big Trouble In Little China was the worst.

LOUDspeaker | 2 October 2008 - 4:06pm

May I add to that Kids DVDs

May I add to that Kids DVDs that don't just play....If I am putting a DVD on it is because the GLD (good little daughter) is tired and needs a fix of Tigger, Winnie and the others...I don't want a trailer or seven for Tarzan meets Free Wily 7 or some other shit that can barely justify the DVd release...and will almsot certainly feature some Elton John B-side reject as it's theme tune...

Just start the fucking film...

Mat Riches | 3 October 2008 - 10:16am

Hear Hear

I'm with you.

'Daddy where's Boo? (Monsters Inc)?'

'It's coming, my love - we just have to wait for all these bloody banal little animated fills at each stage of the bloody menu'.

'Stop saying 'bloody' Daddy'

Andy Barrons | 3 October 2008 - 11:07am

Exactly

what happens in our house. The BBC is one of the worst offenders - a two minute trailer of all the other DVDs you can buy set to very annoying music, and which can't be skipped over.

Somehow I don't mind Disney doing it, that's what I expect from them, but when the BBC do it it drives me wild. We "have to" give them our money which they use to make these programmes, and we have to give them more money if we want to watch them again (unless our darling little ones can be persuaded to wait until their favourite programme is repeated, and I can't see that happening), so I resent, really, really, really resent, their cynical exploitation of the affections and loyalties of their youngest viewers in this way.

ceepee | 3 October 2008 - 1:11pm

The Day Today

If anyone has this on DVD then they will note that the menu screens are (intentionally) nausea-inducingly impossible to navigate and leave you feeling ever so slightly dizzy.

Gav Leonard | 6 October 2008 - 9:56am

yes yes yes

but have you seen the easter egg on the Day Today DVD set. I know somebody else was whinging about them, but look out for it. It's wonderful!

ivan | 6 October 2008 - 11:15am

The egg hunt...

...is on! I haven't found them yet but that has something to do with the fact that I fall over after about twenty seconds of exposure to the menu screen. With the help of a rudimentary scaffolding and a strong will, I'll find them!

Gav Leonard | 6 October 2008 - 2:40pm

save yerself the hassle


to find it - select an episode, go 'back' to the main menu, and then the audio kicks in. nothing visual on screen.

ivan | 6 October 2008 - 3:05pm

Eggs over not-bad for the Japanese...

Thanks very much for this, kind of glad there was only audio actually!

Gav Leonard | 6 October 2008 - 9:43pm

Talk shows

that allow their celebrity guests to promote their hugely expensive new age psuedo-science products without daring to mention the fact that they're talking complete arse for fear of upsetting the stars.

Fraser M | 2 October 2008 - 3:26pm

Such as?

Which celebrities are allowed to do this? And on which shows?

Andrew_Collins | 6 October 2008 - 8:43am

The sheer banality of modern mainstream entertainment

If someone from afar landed in the UK and watched TV for a while they would undoubtedly find it impossible to believe this is the country that gave birth to some of the greatest art, poetry, literature and music in history.

The country of Shakespeare, Pinter and Constable has become a place where wholly talentless non-entities like Jade Goody become multi-millionaires, where Amy Winehouse's slide towards her inevitable death earns daily newspaper coverage, and where Simon Cowell decides what is music.

Instead of children wanting to grow up to be a successful footballer, nurse, stewardess or whatever, now they just want to be famous, with all the perks and none of the pitfalls it brings.

If we had a whip-round, could we buy some prime-time advertising space on ITV and just say to people that there is more to life than reality programmes, "talent" shows and anything media-related that features the word "celebrity"? Or, to quote something from when TV used to be a little more varied: "Why don't you switch off your TV set and go and do something less boring instead?"

MrLovegrove | 2 October 2008 - 3:27pm

I don't think it would cost

I don't think it would cost much to get some prime time space on ITV at present...

Mat Riches | 3 October 2008 - 10:17am

I'm confused.com

Currently out of work I'm stunned by the relentless numbers of commercials shown on daytime tv for car insurance comparison websites.

I try and keep the TV off but when it is on it appears to be a cavalcade of these things. That and Claims Direct-style let us screw a few quid out of anyone that gave you as much as a chinese burn in the last 15 years legal services.

I can understand that customers for claims may be lying in a Carry On Nurse attitude swathed in plaster from head-to-toe with little else to think about but it strikes me that most car owners are out and about. Having already driven them to work. Why are they on when the majority of their potential customer base aren't sat on their arses watching bloody 'Dave'?

Also, whichever ad agency came up with the Hastings Direct knight character wants to be shown a Tex Avery cartoon and then drowned in a sack. Good afternoon.

Andy Barrons | 2 October 2008 - 3:29pm

Uncanny

... I was about to add :

The fact that no-one can now use the word 'confused' in conversation with out everybody else saying (or at least thinking) "dot-com".

... and you've just demonstrated it.

Simon Moffatt | 3 October 2008 - 9:31am

Oh, go on then

* Books packaged to look like the follow-up to a blockbuster rather than what it actually is: something written and rejected by 17 major publishers in 1994. (Hi, Dan!)

* Paying way over the odds for an imported DVD only to discover that it's NTSC/Region 1 only. (Hi, Madrid record shop who sold me Born to Boogie - may Sister Ray's fate be with you.)

* Microsoft telling me every morning that I may be a victim of software piracy (No, you're the victim, Bill - I'm pleased to report that I've come out of the experience unscathed.)

* DVDs that have only 5.1 audio and when played on a standard tele or through a regular stereo have all the dialogue as an inaudible whisper while every footstep goes BOOM!

* The word "enhanced" on any audiovisual product, since its presence guarantees that whatever it is will sound and/or look measurably crappier than it did before.

* Blog commenters whose only comment is to point out with pride that they are the first to comment.

* Now 'n' happenin' hacks who lop off the end of set phrases because they think they're being big and.

Archie Valparaiso | 2 October 2008 - 3:31pm

Hey!

I'm the first to comment on your comment! Wow!

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 3:32pm

OMG

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Archie Valparaiso | 2 October 2008 - 3:34pm

wtf

UR a retarrd i like jessica simpsom better she roxx

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 3:46pm

shaddap

Britny is da BESTEST and you don't no wot ur talking about.

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 4:54pm

Ha ha

PWNed!

Fraser M | 2 October 2008 - 7:12pm

Typical!

How can u say that? That's exactly what Hilter would have done. R U a Nazi?

Trevor_Raggatt | 3 October 2008 - 10:00pm

Region 1

Any DVD player can be hacked to multi region. There's countless sites with the necessary codes - try http://www.dvd.reviewer.co.uk/info/multiregion/ and look for your machine there.

And get rid of Gates's dire threats with the latest crack for Windows Genuine Advantage Tool (you'll have to search for this yourself 'cos it's illegal and that's bad. Oh, alright, it's here but it's still wrong http://freemedia.realgage.com/windows-genuine-advantage-validation-17360...)

kinkywolfgang | 3 October 2008 - 5:57pm

'Like'.

Like, like.

Vulpes Vulpes | 2 October 2008 - 3:32pm

Going

forward.

Vulpes Vulpes | 2 October 2008 - 3:32pm

TV programmes with three presenters

One male, one female, one "of colour"

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:33pm

Isn't that just two presenters?

(But yes, obvious tokenism is annoying)

Fraser M | 2 October 2008 - 3:34pm

Like the coloured lieutenant

In every Cop Drama. Maybe OK in 1970 but come on.

Springer Bell | 2 October 2008 - 3:57pm

I think it was Captain Beefheart...

...who said "everybody's coloured or else you wouldn't be able to see 'em."

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 4:08pm

No truer words spoken

Springer Bell | 3 October 2008 - 10:11am

Have you ever noticed the career path for black women?

They start off as hookers and end up as judges. According to Law and Order they do.

Cookieboy | 3 October 2008 - 11:11am

I'm on a roll now

TV documentaries built around "reconstructions" shot in black and white with lots of close-ups of cigarettes in ashtrays and ears listening to phone receivers.

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:35pm

and of course

the inevitable reel-to-reel tape machine.

j0nn0 | 2 October 2008 - 8:59pm

Anyone

with a cookery book to promote being paid megabucks to tell us how to cook cheap food during the "credit crunch".

According to BBC Breakfast TV this morning there are 800 books released this week. Nothing to do with Christmas you suppose? Try reviewing all them, with or without stars, Mr or Ms Word-book-wizard. Pah!

Beany | 2 October 2008 - 3:36pm

Multiple and incompatible audio/visual formats

I want, at most, one for things I watch and one for things I listen to. I do not want to become a technical wizard in order to watch a film or listen to an album. The specifications of the electronics do not add utility to my enjoyment.

Fraser M | 2 October 2008 - 3:38pm

Discovery Channel

What? Extreme Pharoahs. . . again?

Archie Valparaiso | 2 October 2008 - 3:38pm

Oh! One more!

Radio stations who promise to cover "all the build-up to the big game". There is nothing to "cover". If there's any building up going on, they're doing it.

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:40pm

Electrical Equipment ...

...that features the words 'Hello' and 'Goodbye' when you use it.
Any electrical equipment that beeps at you to tell you it's finished.

Mr Drayton | 2 October 2008 - 3:41pm

DVD world. Er, like, wow.

My DVD player proudly scrolls the message "Hello and welcome to DVD world" across its screen every time you turn it on.

Nick White | 2 October 2008 - 9:49pm

'Clever' camera work

On so-called modern and edgy programs, it simply isn't enough to focus the camera on the subject, oh no. It has to go to close-ups, in and out of focus, unusual angles, zooming in and out etc.

Case in point, whenever that fella who presents Dragons' Den does a piece to camera, I feel dizzy.

Joe R | 2 October 2008 - 3:42pm

Absolutely!

Add to that the pointless recaps - partly covered elsewhere in this thread - where ED summarises what you've just seen three seconds ago. Evan, you don't have to remind me that Peter and Lynette walked out in tears after Duncan Bannatyne said something scathingabout their innovative inflatable trampoline - I was there! I feckin' saw it happen!

This must have something to do with selling the show to networks that have ad breaks, but why can't the BBC just edit the damned thing?

Con Coleman | 3 October 2008 - 11:28am

That's because

the BBC probably didn't produce the damn thing.

Vulpes Vulpes | 3 October 2008 - 1:01pm

I've not finished

Radio stations that promise "we'll be across that story for you".

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:42pm

Sky+ ads

Just from a personal point of view. We can't get Sky because we live in a tiny village surrounded by trees and rolling hills - beautiful to look at but our TV reception is buggered. So to see the lovely Kelly Brook telling us how fabulous Sky+ is, and how it can do everything you could ever want, just feels like they're taking the mickey.

Back to Freeview (and the few channels we can get) it is for us...

MrLovegrove | 2 October 2008 - 3:44pm

Difficult choice

Lovely village surrounded by rolling hills or "Ross Kemp's Hardest Bastards".

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:45pm

For most of the summer...

my local station sported a billboard on which a particularly gormless-looking Mr Kemp (he is, after all, a superb actor) plugged the Sky box thing. The copyline was – I paraphrase: "Its simplicity is its genius."
It's autumn now and I have to look elsewhere for my first wry grin of the day.

Stan Halen | 3 October 2008 - 3:30am

Genius

All overuse of the word 'genius', particularly as an adjective.

Lucas Hare | 3 October 2008 - 7:13am

Carol Vorderman

I was impressed when I saw her on (I think) Parkinson. He said she was a genius. She replied she wasn't, she was just good at sums.

Carl Parker | 3 October 2008 - 11:44am

'Our Heroes'

Perhaps its only in Spain but it now appears illegal to mention sportspeople without calling them 'our hero/es'.
Basketball players - our heroes.
Footballers - our heroes.
Tennis players - our heroes.
Athletes - our heroes.
No they're bloody not. They play sport.

Madrid | 2 October 2008 - 3:45pm

Before I forget

TV companies plugging the next show before the one you're watching has finished - my beloved watches Coronation Street, which is probably the worst offender. Yes, OK, Mr ITV man, we're not going to turn over because we've looked at the schedule and know we'll like what's coming up, so let us watch this show in peace.

It's no wonder my TV watching has dropped to practically nil. DVD boxsets of your favourite series are one of history's greatest inventions.

MrLovegrove | 2 October 2008 - 3:46pm

Halifax adverts

Do(did?) they count as entertainment? Some small crumb of entertainment in the current economic meltdown is wondering what will happen to all those 'zany' characters who fronted them.

adze thuggery | 2 October 2008 - 3:47pm

They'll have to go and do

They'll have to go and do some proper work like the rest of us and leave those classic songs alone.

MrLovegrove | 2 October 2008 - 3:51pm

I once got through to the Halifax marketing department...

on the phone and told the people there that their adverts were a life-draining abomination. They came back with a whole load of corporate bullshit about how 'surveys show that our advertising campaigns reach a wide demographic and are extremely popular' or something similar.

Tossers.

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 8:26pm

They don't bother me one way or another

But if research had proved that they didn't work I think they'd have dropped them. Applies to all long running ad campaigns.

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 8:36pm

that's right

Halifax has gone from strength to strength in recent years.

badartdog | 3 October 2008 - 8:36am

Get a little extra help...

I wish they'd spend less on the adverts and plough the money they'd save back into the bank.

milkybarnick | 23 October 2008 - 1:34pm

I like cookery programmes

I really do. Because I like cooking.

So why do the BBC (and I am part of the unique way it is funded) think that showing me a recipe without telling me the measurements of the ingredients is acceptable. I know I can get them in the associated cook book but you could also tell me in the bloody programme. I can kind of accept it on commercial stations but the BBC?

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 3:47pm

also why are all cookery programmes aimed at

people who don't like to cook, ie curry's made easy, nigella etc best the take away etc.

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 3:56pm

Nigella

and her fake home and any similar pretend home life like Jamie Oliver had.

Tadorna Ferruginea | 2 October 2008 - 4:09pm

Yeah...

Oliver with all his fantastic, handsome, smiling friends. Yes, his life is so great that he wakes up each morning grinning his rictus grin, slides down the spiral staircase outside his apartment, buys an organic leek from the market and skips along the street whistling Scarlet Division tunes...

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 7:10pm

When

did cooking become a spectator sport, can we expect to see the men's 300 meter supermarket sweep and freestyle pudding cook off in a future olympics? I reckon, we're in with a chance of medaling.

and another thing - Traffic Calming

No it fucking doesn't!

James Blast | 2 October 2008 - 8:50pm

Medaling

Just horrible.

Lee Rimmer | 3 October 2008 - 9:02am

Quite right

It should have a double L...

David Ellcock | 3 October 2008 - 2:55pm

One pedant deserves another

Don't think so. Two-syllable nouns with the emphasis on the first don't generally double the last consonant, viz targeting, rocketing, etc

Stan Halen | 4 October 2008 - 10:37pm

fank

yew

and the irony was totally lost to begin with...

James Blast | 5 October 2008 - 2:25am

irony 101

My reply wasn't exactly serious... Tricky business irony on the web.

Oh and I hate the use of 'medal' as a verb as much as the next pedant.

David Ellcock | 5 October 2008 - 11:05am

Can you two stop

pedanting?

Lee Rimmer | 6 October 2008 - 2:58pm

Premature news

"The Government is expected to announce today...", etc.

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 3:50pm

Bingo!

The lead story on the BBC site yesterday was "David Cameron prepares for his speech."

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 3:51pm

Most of News programme

are full of this the sort of conjecture "what do think will come out this meeting" the today programme woul 10 minutes long without the blather

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 3:58pm

And another thing

Whose idea is it to put all that junk mail crap in magazines? The Word aside that is.

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 3:52pm

Oooh Yes....

I was once the subject of an elderly shop assistant's diatribe in Smiths after "shaking down" a copy of Uncut over the newspaper rack.

John Waite | 2 October 2008 - 4:36pm

Spell-chequing instead off proofreading

Modern books are absolutely stuffed with typing errors which are not detected prior to publication for the simple reason that the publisher finds it cheaper to run the text through a spell-checker than to pay a human to proof-read the thing. The give-away is that said typing errors are invariably valid words, just not the intended words.

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 3:53pm

very good paul

i'll have to five you give out give for that

ivan | 2 October 2008 - 4:00pm

Slow news day

in Development Hell perhaps?

It's good to rant...

Beany | 2 October 2008 - 3:56pm

Lists of the 50 best/worst anything?

Tho' my original choice of blogs that produce 75 responses in seconds comes a close second. How can anyone read all that and be at work? I'm struggling with my deadline, Heppo, give us all a break!

Retropath2 | 2 October 2008 - 3:57pm

Am I giving you maximum irony points

by mistake?

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 4:09pm

You can't beat a good rant

Is it just me, or is there something enormously satisfying about airing pet hates?

Nothing can come of it - it's not as if the world will improve once The Powers That Be read this thread - but it's a lot of fun nonetheless. Witness the success of the Grumpy Old Men shows - people DO love a good moan, don't they?

Maybe it's just a British thing. I can't imagine a list of rants like this coming out of a more positive, success-led country like the USA, for example.

MrLovegrove | 2 October 2008 - 3:57pm

stock footage that can be retired

That footage of the hippies in a chain running through some park in sanfisco folowed by the girl having her face painted with a flower that equals the 60's.
that footage of the cow staggering about with "BSE"

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 4:02pm

the use of sigor ros's music

on any tv trail

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 4:03pm

Non- fiction books being hyped as 'funny'

Ever since Bill Bryson revolutionised travel books - and more importantly, their sales - almost every popular non-fiction book - on travel, science, nature, economics, sociology whatever - is inevitably hyped as being 'a hilarious/witty/amusing view of Angola/The DNA of the fruitfly/National Socialism, etc. Their inevitably either trying to be funny in the way your very unfunny physics teacher was trying to be funny, or worse, very dry and serious academic texts that some publisher has stuck inside a cartoon cover in the hope of getting a few sales. That gets on me tits a bit.

bathmat | 2 October 2008 - 7:42pm

not just that

but also the naffing music from Requiem For A Dream which accompanies every dramatic trailer or sporting event (including Sky Sports News). Please can some other film score grab the zeitgeist soon?

bixieface | 3 October 2008 - 12:19am

Exactly

And while we are on the subject of the USA...

Why oh why (points of view) do we have to send over scores of reporters to cover the Democrat/Republican conventions. It always gets priority over our own UK news. Then there is the forthcoming November election...AAAARRRGGGHHH!

Beany | 2 October 2008 - 4:03pm

Celebs rabbiting on about my Carbon Footprint

In particular those going on about "Sustainable Energy" and why we should plant more Rapeseed to make the cars and buses go.

At the same time accidentally conspiring to reduce the actual amount of wheat grown in the world,reduce dairy farming and create food shortage.

Still the world will be cleaner and the cars and buses will leave a very reduced Carbon Footprint. There will just be nobody left to drive them. Oh job done then.

Rant over.

Springer Bell | 3 October 2008 - 9:45am

Vicious attacks on people we don't know

I'm continually shocked by people, often on messageboards, who make vicious attacks on people they have never met. I often read comments from people who say they hope Jade Goody/Justin Hawkins/James Blunt etc, dies. If they'de said something funny I could take it as a joke but when it's just vicious it really is apalling.
So Wayne Rooney is no oil painting? Who cares? He's a footballer. So Jade Goody has limited social skills? So do plenty of people, but who should we be critcising, her or the people who put on a pedestal so we could all sneer at her for our own amusement?
It's horrible.

Niks | 2 October 2008 - 4:06pm

Movies

You're watching a movie on TV, it's been a moving experience, you're just getting over it while the credits roll past and you are enjoying the music when it's all squashed up to one side of the screen and a clip from the next show appears and an announcer talks over the music and ruins the moment.

There's a show you watched 'cos a band you like is on it and they finally get to play over the credits and get faded out or talked over (as above) after about 1 minute.

Tadorna Ferruginea | 2 October 2008 - 4:07pm

Jeremy Kyle - booo!

Everyone connected with this show, and everybody who watches it for more than a minute, should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
It takes years to get work in TV production, and what do you do once you've learned your craft: you film a rude, cretinous jumped-up little nobody hurling abuse and trying to be holier-than-thou with chavs barely able to pick their knuckles up from the floor and people too dull to realise they are only on TV to be mocked by a baying mob of imbeciles. DNA tests? Who's the daddy? Is this what TV was invented for?

MrLovegrove | 2 October 2008 - 4:10pm

Presenters who say to interviewees...

..."have to hurry you."

Why? You people invited them. You people run the programme. You wouldn't run a dinner party like that, would you?

David Hepworth | 2 October 2008 - 4:10pm

Pass the bloody spuds would you?

I haven't got all day.

Vulpes Vulpes | 2 October 2008 - 6:01pm

to be fair

there have been one or two dinner parties where I've called a taxi for a guest before they've asked for one...

dolly | 2 October 2008 - 6:25pm

Talk Sport Radio

Crap. And Alan Brazil's ability to go from grave, caring voice talking about some former stars battle with cancer/drink/gambling to excited upbeat giggles to talk about the racing card for the day is crassness to behold.

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 4:12pm

Everytime I turn on Talksport...

there's a bloody irritating advert on - do they actually do any talking?

Retro Man | 2 October 2008 - 4:40pm

Oh yes you are spot on...

"yes, wasn't that terrorist attack terrible. Shocking. As was the referee's decision to award that penalty to Blackburn. He needs his bloody eyes seeing to."

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 4:48pm

John Gaunt

While we on the topic of Talk Radio: John Gaunt, why oh why is "sick, broken Britain" so "sick and broken"? Because of people like this pub landlord without jokes, the only person to make Richard Littlejohn sound like Tony Benn.

Jim Thomas | 2 October 2008 - 6:14pm

Surely....

...Richard Littlejohn *does* sound like Tony Benn.
Present either of them with an ishoo and, without pausing for breath, they'll say "Well, what do you expect if you run society like yada yada yada..."

David Hepworth | 6 October 2008 - 2:31pm

game, set and

match to you on that one David.

But while we are talking about Richard L., Gaunty, and come to that, another figure whose mentioned upstream, Jeremy Kyle. When will a certain section of the media drop its slightly sick obsession with paedophiles?

I have kids of my own and yes such issues disturb me. But,I could do without the weekly NOTW/Sun moral panic exclusive. A tawdry method of selling more copy masquerading as a crusade.

And - more disturbingly in my mind - why does just about every "tragic Lives" misery-biography or Dark and Edgy UK-TV mini-series exploit child abuse as their Shocking Secret? It is lazy and pornographic.

Jim Thomas | 6 October 2008 - 7:38pm

Couldn't agree more...

...in five years time we'll look back and wonder why this was such an obsession.

David Hepworth | 7 October 2008 - 10:30am

"The crying one"

The person in every Pop-X-Stars-Maria-Dancing-Ice programme who has a tragic past and cries during their post-perfomance interview to garner votes. Just stop it!

David Pleat & Clive Tyldesley doing ITV football commentaries togther. Has there ever been a more annoying combination of voices?

"The next Doctor Who" whatever it is: Robin Hood, Merlin, whatever.

Most autumn Sunday night bonnet-and-boots dramas on the BBC (though Bleak House and Oliver Twist were enjoyable).

Autobiographies "written" by "celebrities" just out of school.

News stories that try to tell us how global events will affect us directly: i.e. what the credit crunch means to a 35 year old married father of three, living in Croydon, earning £25k a year and who enjoys a pint with his mates after a game of 5-a-side on Thursdays and has a take-away with the missus on a Saturday night while watching a DVD.

Oh god, you've got me started...

David Ellcock | 2 October 2008 - 4:15pm

Local news coverage of a shooting or similar that go

Presenter:
There’s reports of shooting in Highbury locals report that 2 shots where heard in Manning road area police have cordoned off the area. Over to Manuella on the scene.
Thanks you Jo.
I am at the end manning road where police have cordoned off the other end after reports of two shots being fired. A Local resident I talked to said he heard two loud bangs and though it was car back firing. Back to you Jo.
Now over to our Arts correspondent Maddy who is talking to Danni off of Holby City who is going to be in “Chicago” in the west end

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 4:15pm

Going live

Any news that goes to a reporter live on the scene.

Rare is the time that the correspondent is sat in the studio talking to the presenter. (Although Robert Peston seems to have found the knack - dare he report live from the City of London?)

How can the reporter stood outside somewhere at 10pm have the "latest" when everyone inside went home hours ago?
"What's the latest there?"
"Er... it's got dark."

(takes deep calming breath)

Darren Leathley | 2 October 2008 - 8:09pm

Another of my hates

The most banal ever was a report last year on a postal dispute. We went "live" where we found our intrepid reporter standing in a surburban street next to a pillar box.

Carl Parker | 2 October 2008 - 10:24pm

Charlie Brooker...

... did an excellent segment about this on his Screen Wipe program. One of the few things I watch on television these days.

Dr Yang | 2 October 2008 - 11:44pm

Hands Free

1. People who use hands free attachments for mobile phones (the ones on a wire with an earpiece), whilst holding said mobile phone in one hand and using the other hand to position the small mic in front of their mouth. Hands-free indeed.

2. "IF YOU LIKED (...), YOU'LL LOVE (...)!!!" Shouldn't that always be the other way around ie. If you loved this particular thing, you might like our new thing as it's essentially ripped-off.

3. "Topslicing" and other made up words that litter the media. Especially when they are used in every sentence and, if you missed yesterday's issue, are utterly meaningless to you.

4. Over-use of the word "Cerebral", which is quickly becoming one of the most annoying contemporary journalistic cliches. It shows the creators intelligence does it? I would hope so!

5. Stickers on cd cases that leave a mark and ruin the card-board kind. See also stickers on books.

6. A good novel having it's tasteful cover replaced with an image/advertisement from the new "major motion picture" of said book.

7. Music Presenters (tv/radio) who aren't allowed to criticise anything.

8. Radio playlists.

9. Composite names (Channelle & Ziggy as "Chiggy", Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes as "TomKat")

10. Articles / Shows etc that consist entirely of lists.

I'll stop at ten.

kidpresentable | 2 October 2008 - 4:25pm

Ooh yes - spot on kid!

"6. A good novel having it's tasteful cover replaced with an image / advertisement from the new "major motion picture" of said book."

Hate it.

David Ellcock | 2 October 2008 - 4:31pm

Trainspotting

Lost it's nice black "skull" cover with orange monstrosity used to plug the inferior film.

John Waite | 3 October 2008 - 12:40pm

And next on ITV 4...

Celebrity leg waxing

Beany | 2 October 2008 - 4:29pm

Nah...

surely it's 'Celebrity Navel Gazing'...

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 5:21pm

Tears on X-Factor...

No, not THE Tears with Bernard and Brett from Suede...but all the constant crying and blubbering from contestants, even the ones that have got through! Hate it...we are now more schmaltzy than America. The manipulation of viewers through sob stories and tragedy...surviving cancer, happening to live in the town with the highest rate of teenage suicides (original one I'll give them that).
Spouse dying young with last gasp dying wish "Johnny, please apply for the X-Factor, then I can really rest in peace..." - really sick!

Retro Man | 2 October 2008 - 4:33pm

News outlets promoting Steve Job’s latest nail clippings on ever

every bulletin and newspaper supplement thus ensuring its success and therefore allowing the cycle to repeat next time.

The phrase “it started out as a face book group”

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 4:40pm

Underdog. Living TV.

Nuff said. 10 "celebrity" contestants - I only recognise 2.

Watch how they pick up dog shit. Oh I wish I was joking but it's true. I've seen the trailers. That was enough.

http://www.livingtv.co.uk/shows/underdog/

Beany | 2 October 2008 - 4:42pm

Bloody hell...

Brian Blessed is appearing in it. How the mighty have fallen...

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 5:25pm

Don't knock the Blessed, Mr Crowther

The man's a living god.

Correction: LIIVIIIIIIINGGGGG GOOOOOODDDDDD!!!

Fraser M | 2 October 2008 - 10:24pm

First reading

I missed the comma and wondered why you were sanctifying one of our contributors.

Carl Parker | 3 October 2008 - 8:36am

Football on TV...

If you can bloody find it...Setanta, Sky Sports 1, Sky Sports 2, Sky Sports 4 Interactive 10 games behind the red button, CH5, ITV 1, ITV2, ITV3, ITV4...jesus christ, can't we just go back to Saint & Greavsie on a Saturday!

Retro Man | 2 October 2008 - 4:44pm

There's so many...

Adverts which feature a sarcastic one liner from one actor to another, followed by a close up shot of the recipient's face with an exaggerated furrow of his or her eyebrows or a similar quizzical expression. This technique is featured incessantly in McDonalds ads, which is reason enough in itself to loathe it.

The weather on TV. I do not need to see a computer simulation of the storm that is about to devastate some coastal town. Just stick a piece of grey card in the shape of a cloud on a map like you used to.

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 4:45pm

Homes Under The Hammer

Am I the only one who wishes it was called Holmes Under The Hammer and it was hosted (at least at the start) by Eamon Holmes. And it would be a one off special.

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 4:53pm

TV and radio presenters..

..reading out texts and emails from members of the public.

Weather presenters doing a happy face when its going to be a bit sunny, and a sad face when its going to be a bit wet or a bit chilly.

FerrisCollier | 2 October 2008 - 4:53pm

pal of mine works for RTE

and i'm sure it's not a million miles away from the mindset in the BBC. I'm told that most presenters can't, for the life of them, understand why in the name of God the general public would be interested in the ramblings of assorted random members of their own. If you wanted *that* you could go to the pub and have a sod of a lot more fun getting drunk at the same time. However, it's all the result of producers etc, spurred on by findings from 'focus groups' who insist on this whole thing of interaction.

Scrolling across the screen, whilst less intrusive, is even more mind-boggling

I've not watched Question Time on BBC in some time, but the Irish version is rather horrific in that you'll have well respected politicians and pundits teasing out the issues of the day, and across the bottom of the screen you have the thoughts of the viewing public. Of itself i suppose it's harmless, like having a request played for you on the radio when it's your birthday, or something, but it's ultimately pointless.

There's no member of the 'panel' going to take up the points being made, so the furiously thumbed texts basically disappear into the ether once they've rolled across the bottom of the screen. It's not as if our Minister for Finance stops mid sentence after seeing that David from Galway thinks that "Stamp Duty on Houses is a Bad Idea" and suddenly decides to radically overhaul fiscal policy.

I'm sure that you've got examples of this from other programs.

ivan | 2 October 2008 - 5:11pm

Sue...

from Ramsgate says 'taxes are rubbish'.

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 5:15pm

Thank God...

it's not unique to John Bulls Other Island then!

ivan | 2 October 2008 - 5:18pm

Good choice, Ivan...

... bugs the bejaysus out of me too.

RTE have it on nearly all of their "live" programmes these days.

Nicodemus | 2 October 2008 - 5:36pm

I think it was Billy Connolly...

...who said there's no good or bad weather, just right or wrong clothes.

Stan Halen | 4 October 2008 - 10:43pm

News on location

Presenting news from site of the big story - like Beijing or Iraq or wherever. It's usually Mark Austin. Is this necessary? No. It's just a costly gimmick. Sorry, getting away from entertainment brief.

Tadorna Ferruginea | 2 October 2008 - 5:02pm

channel 4 had the best example of this

during the olypmics they had the dark haired one who's not john snow presenting the programme from beijing interviewing one the students who got arrested in bejing fine except the student was outside the chinese embassy in London!

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 5:07pm

magazine email newsletters called "something for the weekend"

that come out on a thursday.....

Chris G | 2 October 2008 - 5:02pm

they all have big country piles

they retreat to on a thursday evening.

dolly | 2 October 2008 - 6:27pm

Quite right

Now mow the lawn again, would you?

David Hepworth | 3 October 2008 - 7:50am

The generic young, female 'continuity announcers'...

who try to sound terribly hip whilst saying that Eastenders is on at 10pm, but sound instead as if their feeble brains have seeped into their Ugg boots.

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 5:08pm

Ahem

Will Young appearing on Question Time??

Rich

AgentGraves | 2 October 2008 - 5:16pm

Yeah right

what next, 'Youth Hostelling with Chris Eubank'?

oh.

ivan | 2 October 2008 - 5:19pm

no

Jonathon King is hosting that one

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 5:26pm

Slow down people...

I'd just finishing reading this, clicked back and there were 14 new comments. I'm stuck in a perpetual cycle on this thread....

chrisf | 2 October 2008 - 5:19pm

Ho Ho Ho

Supermarkets that have already started stocking shelves with so called Christmas essentials.

Russell Brand

Movies on tv that have only 40 minutes left to run getting interupted by a 30 minute news slot.

Russell Brand

George Lamb

The sycophantic laughter of Jonathan Ross's sidekick on Radio 2

Russell Brand

Crowdedmouse | 2 October 2008 - 5:19pm

Just thought of one

Advertising the show as 'Radcliffe and Maconie' and in reality only being the two of them about 50% of the time as they seem to be the BBC equivalent of substitute teachers and the show is only about half as good when there's just one of them.

Rich

AgentGraves | 2 October 2008 - 5:29pm

I guess that should be

Radcliffe Or Maconie?

Crowdedmouse | 2 October 2008 - 5:39pm

Calling a singer songwriter

... the new Bob Dylan.

Or a band that "will be bigger than The Beatles"

Gggrrrr!!!!

Nicodemus | 2 October 2008 - 5:41pm

Presenter take over

Sports or music on TV disproportionately occupied by presenters chatting inanely and analysing endlessly (well analysing in the case of sport not music). I wanted to watch some sport and music, not you. And with sport, we'll also see extra clips when they weren't meant to be on camera, reacting to a win by their favourite. Yes you are really the stars of the show.

And with sport, like athletics, dwelling on the 'team GB' member even though he/she came last but let's see them running their race again, just them in slow motion and we'll talk to them too while they watch their race and talk about it. 'Yeah I'm really pleased with that. A personal best.' But you were last!

Tadorna Ferruginea | 2 October 2008 - 5:51pm

Loads of things really

TV commercials that are much louder than the TV programmes that they appear in the middle of. It is supposed to be illegal. Who the bloody hell enforces it?

Cellophane wrappers on cd's.

Newspaper headlines on the first hot day of the year that proclaim ' hotter than Majorca' or other such drivel. Likewise 'shopping frenzy' on the last weekend before Christmas or 'Fear for pensions as shares tumble' - reactionary crap.

The 'Manion' guy on News AT Ten (can't remember his Christian name) who has an unfortunately nasal voice that makes him sound like he is crying every time he reports from a war zone.

Book/Cd/Film reviews that proclaim 'if you buy one cd/book/film this year make sure it's this one'.Load of tosh.

Use of Americanisms where they are not required for example getgo (sorry Leedsboy), ballpark, vacation,24/7,ketchup (its Tomato sauce for Gods sake!!),Elevators and countless more.

Steve Turner | 2 October 2008 - 5:44pm

I work for a US company

It happens by osmosis. I'm glad you pointed it out and I'll be more careful in fututr (nearly put going forward - phew).

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 5:49pm

Ah! Hence

the brand-leader known to us all as "Heinz Tomato Sauce"!

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 7:02pm

Genuine question.

Do americans say "phew"? and if they do, do they say "foo"?

Retropath2 | 2 October 2008 - 6:22pm

So should it be...

Phew Fighters?

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 6:29pm

Its official

We are all turning into my father.

dolly | 2 October 2008 - 6:28pm

And

you're not going out dressed like THAT, young lady!

Paul Vincent | 2 October 2008 - 7:03pm

Ownership

I hate it when the band I discovered 4 years ago is now widely accepted for the great music they create, and everyone has a slice of them - leave Elbow alone; they're mine!

copper809 | 2 October 2008 - 6:34pm

Really?

If I like a band, I want to share their music with everyone I know.

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 6:38pm

Agree

But - you keep hearing snippets of their songs all over the place (BBC Olympic theme tune for instance) and it's like they are getting diluted

copper809 | 2 October 2008 - 6:42pm

Whoooowheee!

You guys are angry. You should all calm down. And you know if there's something you find irritating on TV, turn it off. If everyone did that then they'de change it.
Celebrities? Who makes 'em? We do. Why do newspapers/magazines/advertisers/supermarkets/tv presenters/record execs do all the irritating stuff they do? Because we buy it. It makes them a quick buck, and we've allowed them to do it.
What we should really start getting annoyed about is people complaining about how everything is everyone else's fault.

Oh yeah and maybe those I'm a PC/I'm a Mac ads as well - whoever came up with them should be, like, deep fried.

Niks | 2 October 2008 - 6:41pm

well you're right to an extent...

in that nobody would produce a beer that nobody wanted to drink etc, but in the case of things that most of us are whinging about, they're things that appeal to a lot of people in a certain, dare i say it, 'market segment' that perhaps the Word Massive wouldn't necessarily fall into.

I give out about Olay adverts, people who text into TV shows and the ubiquity of Jade Goody; despite not needing a good moisturiser, having NEVER texted a show or bought a magazine which featured Ms Goody these things still go on in front of me, and whilst making a concerted effort to ignore/switch off everything that would annoy me is theoreticallly possible, it'd make life even more of a chore.

This thread is nothing more than a good natured whinge - as somebody said like Grumpy Old Men - and nothing more. I don't think any of *really* get THAT angry with things; Modern Life isn't That Rubbish

ivan | 2 October 2008 - 7:32pm

Good points

but everybody needs a good moisturiser.

Lee Rimmer | 2 October 2008 - 7:43pm

When did

the Isle of Ulay become the Isle of Olay - was their a regime change? People's revolt or military coup? I never saw anything on the news about it. I think we should be told.

badartdog | 3 October 2008 - 10:25am
ivan | 3 October 2008 - 2:09pm

I can't believe no has mentioned...

Simon Amstell. Did I miss him in earlier posts?

And by extension anyone who thinks humiliating soft targets is funny or anything other than squirmingly unpleasant.

BBC news slavish adherence to the American line - see Georgia for one of many examples. Also their inability to explain any industrial dispute.

The new rabid reactionary rhetoric of the right, which we are going to be hearing a lot more of from our new etonian lords and masters for some years to come.

Don't try to tell me politics isn't part of the entertainment industry.

meretrician | 2 October 2008 - 7:03pm

Hmmm... this is a difficult one...

'Never Mind The Buzzcocks' has never made me smile, let alone laugh. The scripts for the programme can't help, but Amstell comes across as unbearably smug.

However I served him in the bookshop I work in recently, and he was extremely down to earth and seemed like a nice chap.

Patrick Crowther | 2 October 2008 - 8:20pm

I must say Mr Crowther you get around

Bookshops and Photo Exhibitions, good luck to you. Hope it goes well. And good luck in Italy too. A great country and great fun to be had.

Springer Bell | 3 October 2008 - 9:43am

In the old days

On TV, before a programme started, they used to tell you what was on next: "In half an hour (something), but first (this)". Now, at let's say 11am, they'll say "Tune in tonight at 9 for the new series of (something)". That annoys me. Why can't they wait until later? As the average teenager would say: that's so, like, random?

Lucas Hare | 2 October 2008 - 7:04pm

And now we can go over live…

… to a bloke standing outside a building where some people had a meeting or something hours ago/will be having one in hours to come.

David Rothon | 2 October 2008 - 7:10pm

Sorry

didn't see page 2

David Rothon | 2 October 2008 - 7:19pm

ditto!

.

David Rothon | 2 October 2008 - 7:20pm

Me too programming by imagination-free TV controllers

Like tonight - ITV1 9pm "Natural Born Sellers" - so obviously a rip-off of The Apprentice.

kb | 2 October 2008 - 7:19pm

Grown Men

1. Who over analyse a childrens programme like Dr who

2. Once they become home workers talk about podcasters as if they are personal friends

3. Can't accept they are in their 40/50s and have started developing weird crushes on young actresses

chrisodonoghue | 2 October 2008 - 7:39pm

Hang on...

There's not many of us left if you cull that lot!

Fraser M | 2 October 2008 - 10:27pm

Including myself ;-)

Including myself ;-)

chrisodonoghue | 3 October 2008 - 2:01am

Help...I'm lost

Text messages. Entertainment? Well then why have them rolling across a screen behind a performing band playing in a whopping big stadium or arena stage? So you've paid vast sums to txt ur mates and you would rather look out for it instead of concentrating on the act. Get a life. Oh look, my claim to fame...bugger, gone now.

A still chuckle at the the tale of a former colleague who was on a very wet holiday with his young family. His kids requested a record from Uncle Tony Blackburn on wunnerful Radio 1 for their dad's birthday so the poor soul had to sit in his car for several hours, waving to his kiddiwinks in adjacent caravan, waiting for his moment of fame. It never got read out. It's that sort of jollity from where the idea for I'm A Celebrity emerged.

Beany | 2 October 2008 - 7:46pm