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iMac help required
Long term membership of the Massive tells me there's a vast store of expertise on this site just waiting to be tapped into. And now I need your help.
I am the proud owner of an 17" 1.83 GHz iMac Intel Core Duo, which has of late started to exhibit 'issues' in the reading and burning of CDs and DVDs - "medium write" errors when burning CDs; telling me I've inserted a blank CD when one with data burned from my mate's Mac is in the slot; ejecting blank DVDs without even an error message when trying to archive stuff. And all this on media we've successfully used in the past. A little trawling on the net strongly suggests my DVD drive is dying and needs to be replaced.
So...does anyone here have any recommendations as to what to go for? Internal or external drive would be OK - the MouseMaster has the expertise to replace an internal drive should we find a compatible one. I'd rather not spend a king's ransom, but reliability is the main concern rather than cost.
PS James Blast, I am very jealous...
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How old is the iMac?
Did you buy it new or second-hand?
Also, burning CDs that are already burned from others (ie your mate's CD) often don't get recognised
Age -
the specs sticker on top of the box states copyright Apple Computer 2006, and the oldest applications we haven't modified date from Dec 2005/Jan 2006. I bought it second hand in May 2008.
External
They tend to be cheaper and faster.
I have a Macbook - I can play dvds & cds but it doesn't recognise blank dvds. Another problem is the fluffy stuff at the mouth of the cd slot has started to go which makes putting a disk in quite hard, so I don't use it unless I have to.
We have an iMac as well - no probs there but we still tend to use an external device rather than the built in one.
Any specific recommendation, Wayfarer?
LaCie
Though I'm sure that there are many other good ones. We bought them because our MacAnorak friend, who has alway been there to get us out of trouble, recommended them. Thankfully nowadays we seem to be able to cope with most things ourselves and he has his life back.
CD drive kaput
Just replace the CD drive. Mine went kaput and I just replaced it: not very expensive and not very difficult to install if even a technical dunderhead like me can do it. Try Cancom.
While we're on Audio Agony Aunt territory I've got one of those Bose CD/Radio things that has suddenly got it into its head that it won't play home-burned CDs anymore. Do I need to clean it? Take it out for dinner? Search me. And ideas?
I had a car stereo several years ago...
... that suddenly refused to play home made CDs. The solution was to burn discs at a slower rate - x1 or x2. Anything faster than x4 wouldn't work.
These chaps have what you need,
http://www.macupgrades.co.uk/store/machine.php?name=imac-core-duo#int-hd...
If I were you, when you've replaced the drive I would still get an external drive and use that. I'm currently using an LG which I've had for about 2 years with no issues.
Also, whilst this does sound like the drive is knackered, Apple recommend that you reset the Power Manager (PMU) or System Management Controller (SMC).
Details here http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2801
Thanks, Chas.
Looking at the Macupgrades difficulty assessments for fitting an internal has made me reconsider my blithe "either will do" comment of earlier 8-}
I'm thinking now along the lines of external DVD drive, and would welcome any compatible suggestions from anyone.
(BTW I've just tried the SMC reset, but to no avail...)
This
is pretty much the same as mine which I can heartily recommend, it's relatively cheap [£41 from Amazon], fast, accurate and so far, reliable.
http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?client=safari&rls=en&q=external...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-GSA-E60L-DVDRW-External-Lightscribe/dp/B000VX...
Now there's a coincidence!
At the time you posted, Chas, I was coming in the door with a (pre-loved) LG GE20 LU10, the one your google link above brings up.
The MouseMaster spotted it yesterday afternoon in his local Cash Converters, and at £25 and in pretty good nick externally it seemed worth the punt...especially since I was given a cash refund guarantee should it not come up to scratch. We should be testing it out this afternoon - fingers crossed! I'll keep you posted.
Hearty thanks to you and the other Massive Members (I come over all Carry On every time I type that) who took the time to help me, and to Stimpy and co for an amusing bit of mild bickering :-)
Ooo no matron
For reasons far too boring to go into here, I recently had to attend a meeting of a county council planning committee. I was vaguely amused by the sign outside the gents loo in the council chamber
"Male Members Lavatory"
St Steve of Jobs
would no doubt tell you to buy a new iMac
If I could afford it...
Not even I would
tell you to get a new iMac over maintaining what you have, I have been nursing my G4 for the past 3-4 years with new CD/DVD burners, RAM upgrades and external HDs, she still purrs away nicely and I'll be keeping her on standby for the day Macromedia FreeHand no longer works on the iMac, it does at the moment which is a major bonus as it's the backbone of my graphic output. I just had an endowment pay out after 25 years so was a bit flush, having said that I never expected to begin my love affair with Apple Macintosh all over again which is what this iMac has provided.
I'm
still jealous, James :-)
iMAC -
now known as Veet, I understand.
I am on the right page, aren't I?
That's why he's...
... Nigel the bald.
Now I like Macs
And used them for a long time professionally.
My love affair waned, however, when it came to paying for one with my own money. How much? You charge that much for RAM? It got worse when they went to Intel chips, as it became obvious how much they were overcharging for hardware.
Me? I'll stick with my dual-boot Ubuntu/Windows PC.
Overcharging?
Good engineering and industrial design doesn't come cheap.
I was referring
to stuff like RAM
Never buy RAM from Apple
Crucial have an automated system for detecting what RAM you need then selling it to you for a quarter of the price of Apple.
Erm
This is the same Apple that isn't overcharging you?
Sorry?
I said up there that Apple overcharge for RAM so I never buy it from them.
I also said further up there that Apple don't overcharge for their computers if you feel that good engineering and good industrial design is worth paying for.
Not sure what is your point?
None of my business
but you never mentioned about overcharging for RAM in your earlier (original) post, hence the possibly sarky response?
Because even if you don't buy your RAM from Apple
their machines are still more expensive than others on the market. My original post was merely pointing out that there are good reasons for that.
The same reasons that a Strat is more expensive than a Chinese no-name guitar?
Not arguing
but don't you think that some of the pricing might be to do with the 'desirability' of the brand/marketing/hype? Not necessarily singling Apple out on this - surely it's the case for most popular or well-known brands, eg Rolls-Royce, Louboutin, Duchy Originals, to name a random few ?
Isn't that true for all premium, quality brands?
But the quality has to be there in order to win the premium reputation in the first place.
There are only two real differences between Macs and PCs
1. The case
2. The OS
This is why hackers can build generic PCs running OS X for significantly less than Apple charge for the same specification. These PCs are equal in performance to Macs (and occasionally run faster).
My point is that I don't think these two things justify the extra expense. If you do, that's fine.
My iMac is a beautiful piece of design
and it makes me happy just to see it.
I'm happy to pay a premium for that alone.
LaCie
The CD / DVD burner in my old iMac G5 died and getting Apple to replace was a little on the expensive side so went for a LaCie external drive with a firewire connection (I always find that FW is more reliable than USB2 even though the speeds are supposed to be similar). Works a treat. One added advantage (if you watch / rip DVD's) is that an external drives doesn't usually have the firmware region lock that the internal Apple drives do.
One point to note is that a lot of newer FW devices (including the newer iMac's) are FW800 not the old FW400 that is probably on yours. They are fully compatible - just need to make sure you get the correct cable.
Whoo-hoo!
Well the LG external drive works a treat.
We were finally able to archive that pesky second CD that's been cluttering up the hard drive. I'm roughly as pleased as if I'd just bought a new guitar, and this little beauty was considerably cheaper and takes up a lot less space.
Thanks again to everyone for your suggestions and helpful advice. What a great place this is to spend time.
right, that's you sorted
my turn -
I want a back up HD for my gorgeous new iMac, I'll need at least a terabyte, I'm not made of money but I want this machine to be rock solid because I doubt I'll ever be able to afford anything in this class ever again
Can't help you myself, James,
but this is clearly the place to ask.
Hope someone can come up with the goods for you.
LaCie Again
I've got the D2 Quadra (which means nothing to me). 1TB, solid, not expensive but fine for me - I keep all my photos, duplicates of my record library and back up my hard drive via Time Machine. When I fried my computer's hard drive it was a life saver.
Currently £125.00 at Mac Warehouse. my missus has the LaCie Hard Disc 1tb - same price but looks cool. Ours are firewire but I think you get get usb as well.
thanks
man
External Drives
I guess I better start by declaring a bias here - I work for Seagate so you can guess which model I'm going to recommend. In all seriousness, the Seagate Freeagent drive is pretty good, comes with a 5yr warranty etc. I would stick with the 1TB or 1.5TB version - the 2TB is more leading edge technology so is a little more expensive and not as mature.
The Lacie drive mentioned above is fine, but remember that Lacie don't actually make the actual drive themselves and inside you will find something from Seagate / WD / Hitachi etc. Lacie are just adding the external interface and design.
As you are using as a backup for a Mac, I would recommend you track down a version with FW800 interface - most you find in the stores are just USB2.0, but both Seagate and WD do versions that are more "Mac Friendly" and have USB and FW interfaces.
Finally, remember that at the end of the day this external drive is still a hard drive and still can fail. If you are using as purely a backup drive (i.e. just a copy of what's on your Mac) then fine. However with the massive amounts of digital media that people have these days, there is a tendency to use external drives as primary storage. However, people still see them as backup drives and do not expect them to fail - whilst they will be more reliable (usage is not as high), they can still fail and if they have all your irreplaceable data on them, you are screwed (warranty or not). Make sure you have a backup of any data - even if its on a external drive. I have just managed to extract critical data from a relatives failed external drive which involved swapping out one of the chips on the electronics board that had failed - not an easy job and something I can only do as I manage the group that does board level Failure Analysis !
Personally, if you budget would stretch to it, I would go with a simple RAID configuration - two 1TB drives replicating each other so if one fails then you do not lose data. Buffalo do some reasonable systems or if you really want to push the boat out - I use a system from Drobo (www.drobo.com) where I can put up to 4 drives (I have 4 x 2TB) in a RAID5 array - this allows both data protection and ability top expand - if full add another drive (if you have less than 4) or swap one drive with another of higher capacity.
and thank you
too